So.....Wrestling is Superior to BJJ? an MMA examination

Lets discuss this.


Because I've thought about going all in on BJJ and getting my black belt in like three years. I sort of drank the kool-aid about the art even though I despise the snaky, pu$$y nature of BJJ and I recognized it as a sport that white guys got into so they could choke out black guys who intimidated them.

That's the #1 reason I never respected BJJ. Because I saw it as a racist dog whistle early on and, in my mind, it's mostly stayed that way. Meanwhile, wrestling, in general, has always been sort of in the background. But I never really understood wrestling because I think that the WWE sort of obfuscated the importance and superiority of wrestling for modern audiences and modern youths interested in fighting.

But the more I look at it and study it and think about it. It seems to me that once you figure out the series of takedowns that BJJ guys shoot for, you've pretty much nuetral- I should preface this by stating that I'm only interested in fighting and becoming harder to kill hand to hand- I don't really care for Gordon Ryan style BJJ or big tournament style things. I fought a lot when I was teenager, my father ended up putting me in Kung Fu, Karate and Boxing while I was playing 4A football, I just had too much fu#king energy and I was -and still am- very much bloodlusted here and there - so when I talk about BJJ, I don't imagine myself going into it beyond learning how to break necks, ankles, arms, etc and not have mine broken before I can dig someones eye out or rip out a piece of flesh etc, it's like that for me, anyway - once you've pretty much neutralized the BJJ's initial approach or they lock ins etc, now all of this just theory-babble, etc, but it does have a basis for understanding what's going on in MMA...


For the record, I think both are legit - BJJ and Wrestling -, but I'm about to go in on one more than the other, BBJ has a lot of destinations that I want to go to and study in etc, but Wrestling is calling me as the superior art to build my basis on going forward..

What does BX Think and Why?

Lets discuss this.


Because I've thought about going all in on BJJ and getting my black belt in like three years. I sort of drank the kool-aid about the art even though I despise the snaky, pu$$y nature of BJJ and I recognized it as a sport that white guys got into so they could choke out black guys who intimidated them.

That's the #1 reason I never respected BJJ. Because I saw it as a racist dog whistle early on and, in my mind, it's mostly stayed that way. Meanwhile, wrestling, in general, has always been sort of in the background. But I never really understood wrestling because I think that the WWE sort of obfuscated the importance and superiority of wrestling for modern audiences and modern youths interested in fighting.

But the more I look at it and study it and think about it. It seems to me that once you figure out the series of takedowns that BJJ guys shoot for, you've pretty much nuetral- I should preface this by stating that I'm only interested in fighting and becoming harder to kill hand to hand- I don't really care for Gordon Ryan style BJJ or big tournament style things. I fought a lot when I was teenager, my father ended up putting me in Kung Fu, Karate and Boxing while I was playing 4A football, I just had too much fu#king energy and I was -and still am- very much bloodlusted here and there - so when I talk about BJJ, I don't imagine myself going into it beyond learning how to break necks, ankles, arms, etc and not have mine broken before I can dig someones eye out or rip out a piece of flesh etc, it's like that for me, anyway - once you've pretty much neutralized the BJJ's initial approach or they lock ins etc, now all of this just theory-babble, etc, but it does have a basis for understanding what's going on in MMA...


For the record, I think both are legit - BJJ and Wrestling -, but I'm about to go in on one more than the other, BBJ has a lot of destinations that I want to go to and study in etc, but Wrestling is calling me as the superior art to build my basis on going forward..

What does BX Think and Why?

Lets discuss this.


Because I've thought about going all in on BJJ and getting my black belt in like three years. I sort of drank the kool-aid about the art even though I despise the snaky, pu$$y nature of BJJ and I recognized it as a sport that white guys got into so they could choke out black guys who intimidated them.

That's the #1 reason I never respected BJJ. Because I saw it as a racist dog whistle early on and, in my mind, it's mostly stayed that way. Meanwhile, wrestling, in general, has always been sort of in the background. But I never really understood wrestling because I think that the WWE sort of obfuscated the importance and superiority of wrestling for modern audiences and modern youths interested in fighting.

But the more I look at it and study it and think about it. It seems to me that once you figure out the series of takedowns that BJJ guys shoot for, you've pretty much nuetral- I should preface this by stating that I'm only interested in fighting and becoming harder to kill hand to hand- I don't really care for Gordon Ryan style BJJ or big tournament style things. I fought a lot when I was teenager, my father ended up putting me in Kung Fu, Karate and Boxing while I was playing 4A football, I just had too much fu#king energy and I was -and still am- very much bloodlusted here and there - so when I talk about BJJ, I don't imagine myself going into it beyond learning how to break necks, ankles, arms, etc and not have mine broken before I can dig someones eye out or rip out a piece of flesh etc, it's like that for me, anyway - once you've pretty much neutralized the BJJ's initial approach or they lock ins etc, now all of this just theory-babble, etc, but it does have a basis for understanding what's going on in MMA...


For the record, I think both are legit - BJJ and Wrestling -, but I'm about to go in on one more than the other, BBJ has a lot of destinations that I want to go to and study in etc, but Wrestling is calling me as the superior art to build my basis on going forward..

What does BX Think and Why?

I wrestled in college.

I'm belted under Ricardo Calvicante ( last black belt recipient under Carlson Gracie )

BJJ is superior in the right hands.

Lets discuss this.


Because I've thought about going all in on BJJ and getting my black belt in like three years. I sort of drank the kool-aid about the art even though I despise the snaky, pu$$y nature of BJJ and I recognized it as a sport that white guys got into so they could choke out black guys who intimidated them.

That's the #1 reason I never respected BJJ. Because I saw it as a racist dog whistle early on and, in my mind, it's mostly stayed that way. Meanwhile, wrestling, in general, has always been sort of in the background. But I never really understood wrestling because I think that the WWE sort of obfuscated the importance and superiority of wrestling for modern audiences and modern youths interested in fighting.

But the more I look at it and study it and think about it. It seems to me that once you figure out the series of takedowns that BJJ guys shoot for, you've pretty much nuetral- I should preface this by stating that I'm only interested in fighting and becoming harder to kill hand to hand- I don't really care for Gordon Ryan style BJJ or big tournament style things. I fought a lot when I was teenager, my father ended up putting me in Kung Fu, Karate and Boxing while I was playing 4A football, I just had too much fu#king energy and I was -and still am- very much bloodlusted here and there - so when I talk about BJJ, I don't imagine myself going into it beyond learning how to break necks, ankles, arms, etc and not have mine broken before I can dig someones eye out or rip out a piece of flesh etc, it's like that for me, anyway - once you've pretty much neutralized the BJJ's initial approach or they lock ins etc, now all of this just theory-babble, etc, but it does have a basis for understanding what's going on in MMA...


For the record, I think both are legit - BJJ and Wrestling -, but I'm about to go in on one more than the other, BBJ has a lot of destinations that I want to go to and study in etc, but Wrestling is calling me as the superior art to build my basis on going forward..

What does BX Think and Why?

this you?

I really cant take OP seriously but watever fu#k it

catch >

Not too many schools or camps teach cacc in America though. Because of cacc lineage and the bjj huge increase in popularity, catch gets overlooked. Alot of bjj schools today have changed their ideologies to be more aggressive or are strictly no-gi, which sorta washes out catch teaching.

Generally speaking catch is more offensive than both, wider range of submissions, less competition rules, submissions over position, and uses pins or subs to win. Pins eliminate the closed guard for bjj and stalling.

One of the best examples is Saku vs the Gracies. Or Mighty Mouse

But to answer the question, op I think you need a mental eval first

I wrestled in college.

I'm belted under Ricardo Calvicante ( last black belt recipient under Carlson Gracie )

BJJ is superior in the right hands.

Me and man’s have this debate constantly, defensively wrestling allows you to recognize at least for me where your strongest and your opponent is vulnerable, when I grappled at this gym and was learning bjj I could feel the setups and could toss this pawb’s-punkasswhiteboys
When I was in high school one of the kids on the team dad showed me some illegal moves-high school is folk style, no locking hands or hyperextending joints, but this dude show me all types of sh1t philtrum rips corner orbit power half’s all type of sh1t. Anyway I noticed bjj you need to be a lil more patient and set sh1t up but on the wrestling tip u can bulldog a muthafuka and grind them and inflict damage off raw power. For a skill set to just walk around so u won’t have any problems wit rowdy cats decent hand skills and sound base of wrestling is best to me

I was -and still am- very much bloodlusted here and there

Most wrestlers can take you down but don’t know what to do with it after.

Meanwhile someone who knows BJJ can try to pull guard and start working on a submission from there.

Personally, I think a wrestler who learns BJJ is most likely going to be the superior fighter to a BJJ practitioner who learned how to wrestle.

n1ggas like you have no understanding of the purpose of martial arts . You not bouta get paid off of fighting bruh . Get a fu#king grip man, you seem like one of them dudes that’s on the verge of losing it in a dangerous way, and I mean that with all disrespect

n1ggas like you have no understanding of the purpose of martial arts . You not bouta get paid off of fighting bruh . Get a fu#king grip man, you seem like one of them dudes that’s on the verge of losing it in a dangerous way, and I mean that with all disrespect

I really cant take OP seriously but watever fu#k it

catch >

Not too many schools or camps teach cacc in America though. Because of cacc lineage and the bjj huge increase in popularity, catch gets overlooked. Alot of bjj schools today have changed their ideologies to be more aggressive or are strictly no-gi, which sorta washes out catch teaching.

Generally speaking catch is more offensive than both, wider range of submissions, less competition rules, submissions over position, and uses pins or subs to win. Pins eliminate the closed guard for bjj and stalling.

One of the best examples is Saku vs the Gracies. Or Mighty Mouse

But to answer the question, op I think you need a mental eval first

BJJ guys by themselves not really dangerous if you have legit hands

A real wrestler is tho… if they outsize you…

And I mean a real one like this guy

I really cant take OP seriously but watever fu#k it

catch >

Not too many schools or camps teach cacc in America though. Because of cacc lineage and the bjj huge increase in popularity, catch gets overlooked. Alot of bjj schools today have changed their ideologies to be more aggressive or are strictly no-gi, which sorta washes out catch teaching.

Generally speaking catch is more offensive than both, wider range of submissions, less competition rules, submissions over position, and uses pins or subs to win. Pins eliminate the closed guard for bjj and stalling.

One of the best examples is Saku vs the Gracies. Or Mighty Mouse

But to answer the question, op I think you need a mental eval first

I wrestled in college.

I'm belted under Ricardo Calvicante ( last black belt recipient under Carlson Gracie )

BJJ is superior in the right hands.

1. First-- why do you think I can't be taken seriously?

Just so you understand who you're talking to, I'm 5'11, 210lbs. I lift five days out of the week, I work KB complexes and do sprint and marathon training. I've got three years of boxing training with a championship boxing trainer (he has since passed, unfortunately), my SIfu was a marine who spent 10 years in China to take the art from the source, came back, tells all his real fighters to buy a gun and then makes us test out only after doing 500 perfect display of art knowledge. My Kung Fu style was 'Chinese Boxing' Wing-Chun, which I took to the third phase and I studied the Five Animal Styles just for general knowledge and grace. I studied Shojinmatsu or Shorin Ryu karate for three years and suffice to say it wasn't one of those 'McDonald' dojos. The old black karate dojos that sprung up from the 60s-70s rarely are.

I currently have a 5th and 6th pinched nerve in my left side which is causing unbelievable amount of pain, I can't sleep laying down and all gravitational downward force basically takes it to a 7 and 9 on the pain scale. I'm on every OTC pain medication you can think of and I'm going for a med pak and or a cortisone shot this week. That said, with that pain still surging through my system every time I take a single fu#king step,

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I still knocked out a 11 mile march because I can't let myself fall short of the standards I uphold for myself. I don't need you to take me seriously, I take myself seriously. Napoleon and Alexander the Great marched through pain. I can and will do the same. Senior semester starts this week, hopefully my school insurance will cover my medical visit otherwise, I'm going to keep downing 1000mg of liquid painkiller.

Try to fight BJJ guy against a guy with some hands and see how fast that sh1t is voided with a takedown. Mayweather would even lose

How would you describe that superiority? And why are we seeing BJJ become less and less effective in MMA where as wrestling appears to be be dominating?

I'm not assuming you're wrong. I just like the theorycraft for food for thought.

Because I've thought about going all in on BJJ and getting my black belt in like three years. I sort of drank the kool-aid about the art even though I despise the snaky, pu$$y nature of BJJ and I recognized it as a sport that white guys got into so they could choke out black guys who intimidated them.

That's the #1 reason I never respected BJJ. Because I saw it as a racist dog whistle early on and, in my mind, it's mostly stayed that way.

BJJ guys don’t have hands and can’t take a punch…

You take me down this ain’t a ufc cage with a ref… I can do anything to get free

Mayweather not a puncher anymore…