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Godfather of Harlem - Historical Accuracy Thread (S01E04)

*Taken from Reddit*

So finally we meet Cassius Clay in this episode. The acting and portrayal of historical figures in this show is remarkable and even though some things are not true it does keep you entertained. Here are some facts, fiction and one thing I'm really unsure about.

As always, if I may have missed something or gotten something wrong please let me know in the comments.



FACT:

The whole Doug Jones-Cassius Clay fight is real. It was the called fight of the year in 1963. Clay really did belittle Jones and called him an “ugly little man” and he was as animated as the series portrays him to be.

Frankie Carbo was a real life boxing promoter and mobster and was actually arrested for managing boxers without a license in 1961 and serving a 25 year sentence for conspiracy and extortion. Him and other mobsters controlled the contract of the current heavyweight champion Sonny Liston.

Vito Genovese was in fact serving a prison bid after being convicted of conspiring to import and sell narcotics. He still was able to give orders and order hits.

Vincent Gigante did actually fight at the Garden four times, fighting Frankie Petrello, Vic Chambers, Andy Peppe and Luther McMillan. His record at the Garden was 3-1, losing to Peppe.

Stella references “Puff The Magic Dragon” by Peter, Paul and Mary. The song was released in January 1963, so I’m glad they have a music reference that is right for once.

Bobby Robinson’s reluctance to sign Teddy Greene due to a political song is representative of the time. I remembering hearing a story that the R&B group, The Drifters were supposed to release a song called “Only In America”. One of the lyrics in the song, references a kid growing up to be president and although the Drifters recorded it, the label never released it because they feared the image of a Black group singing about possibly becoming president was too much for some to handle in 1963, so the aptly named Jay and the Americans ended up with the song. Unless it was Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie, Joan Baez or The Kingston Trio, labels and radio really shied away from political or protest songs. Even Black-owned labels like Motown didn’t release overtly political music until the late 1960’s.

The FBI opened a file on Malcolm X in 1950 while he was still in prison after he wrote a letter to Harry Truman stating his opposition to the Korean War and calling himself a Communist. They began surveillance of him in 1953 due to his rapid rise in the ranks of the Nation of Islam.

Ross Todd and “Possum” were real and two of the eleven businessmen managing and collecting on Cassius Clay at the time. There was a Sports Illustrated article on them: emoji

The Nation of Islam did in fact want Cassius to become champion first and then publicly announce that he was a Muslim. He did this after he won in 1964 and he was given the name Muhammad Ali by Elijah Muhammad

Malcolm X and Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali did have a close relationship and Malcolm served as a mentor to Clay.

Malcolm X did in fact call prizefighting a racket in response to a question from a newspaper. His quote was “Commercialized sport is the pleasure of the idle rich” and that “The vice of gambling stems from it.” He did as expressed in the episode understand the role that Black sports figures played in terms of symbols of prosperity to the masses.

FICTION:

Amy says Bumpy has been out for twelve weeks and still hasn’t come into contact. Bumpy was released in March and it is still March 1963 because the fight took place on March 13th.

Stella shows Teddy a magazine story of May Britt and Sammy Davis Jr. talking about their upcoming marriage. The two were married in 1960, three years earlier.

Frankie Carbo was in jail after being charged with conspiracy and extortion having been sentenced to 25 years. He was paroled early due to ill health.

Mayme Hatcher and Doug Jones were never involved in an affair.

Joe Bonanno never had a son named Lorenzo and none of his other sons were killed in Washington Heights by African Americans. He did however say his son was killed in Washington Heights in 1957 and that reminds me of this story:

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The Bonanno-Gigante is fictional because as I said before: Gigante’s base of operations was never in East Harlem or Harlem, he never had as high a status as the show portrays him to have until later in the decade and he was still serving time. His presence is more representative of the overall Mafia in Harlem.

Gigante never kidnapped Ali

While the mob fixed a lot of fights at the time, the Jones-Clay fight was not one of them. It is rumored that Ali’s fight with Liston fight was fixed.

The then Cassius Clay began attending Nation of Islam meeting in Chicago in 1961. He met Malcolm X in Detroit in 1962 and no one would know he was a Muslim until the Miami Herald broke the story in 1964 before the Liston fight almost causing it to be canceled as was the concern in the episode. emoji

Malcolm X was not at the fight as that would bring attention to allegations that Clay was indeed a Muslim.

Billy Graham never said “Catholics were worse than commies”.

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UNSURE:

Could Lillian be Lillian Lampkin?:

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jsmooth-117
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Godfather of Harlem - Historical Accuracy Thread (S01E05)

*Taken from Reddit*

Another great episode, before I start, anything with Gigante has been fictionalized so I’m not going to discuss parts of the plot with him and Johnson because by now you should know that his role is representative of Mafia contact with Bumpy and not totally fact.

FACT

Lester L. Wolff actually served as a moderator and producer on the show Between The Lines in the early 1960’s and in 1964 was elected to the House of Representatives serving New York’s 3rd district. emoji

Bumpy confirms that Vito Genovese is in jail for life.

Lucky Luciano’s recent death (He died in 1962) has been mentioned.

The Valachi hearings would happen in October 1963 and Powell would know beforehand being a congressman.

While SNCC was a Southern based civil rights organization, it did have some demonstrations in New York at that time. emoji

Interracial marriage in New York is legal at that time which is why the police hit Teddy and Stella with a presumed prostitution charge.

Jimmy Hoffa testified to Congress in 1957 for the McClellan hearings, so with the Mafia being targeted in 1963, his testimony would be relevant news enough to be on television.

Back in 1960, Adam Clayton Powell actually did target the bias in the numbers racket. In the January 10, 1960 edition of the New York Times, an article ran titled “NEW YORK NUMBERS RACKET IS BIG BUSINESS; Crackdown Follows Powell Charge Of Bias Against Negro Operators” in which “Powell stirred up his Harlem district last week by charging that white racketeers have driven Negroes from control of policy, or numbers, gambling in that area. He also accused the police of permitting the white syndicate forces to operate while arresting Negroes”. emoji

Adam Clayton Powell describes the numbers game and its impact in Harlem to the tee. From the dream books to the horse race system to the numbers runners, everything he says is fact.

Stella mentions Sam Cooke owning his publishing and master recordings which was unusual for a lot of artists at the time to do, especially Black artists. This is true, Sam Cooke owned his publishing, his masters and his owner record label SAR Records with several other acts.

Jason mentions the British movie "Victim": emoji)

FICTION

Elise passes a Muslim newspaper with Malcolm on the cover. The newspaper is actually called Muhammad Speaks and not Islam Speaks.

When Ernie is in the gay bar, he says that his name is Peter and the guy responds with Gordon. This is a subtle reference to the British pop duo Peter and Gordon, however the group put their first single out in 1964.

While Bobby Robinson created a lot of record labels (Fire, Fury, Whirlin' Disc and Enjoy) Happy Records is not one of them.



UNSURE

The Copians were an actual gang in Harlem active in the 1940’s to early 1950’s. They could have been active in 1963 but I doubt it. emoji

I lost track of when the series is set. I know it’s still 1963 but the man in the gay bar mentions Cleopatra which came out in June and the March On Washington is mentioned as happening on August 28
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acegutta22 triple plat x5
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sh1t is getting crazy
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TheTrollPole
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Yeah this show is officially dope....I was feeling like eh, after episode 3 but 4,5,6 locked me in
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1Oh
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This show is great. Bumpy dont take chances with these niccas.
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They gave Brother Malcolm a larger part in this series than expected and the actor is doing an excellent job.
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Deniro732 triple plat x4
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 jsmooth-117 said
The actor playing Malcolm X >>>>>>
Meant to prop. n1gga is a beasttttttt. ..this show is already g.o.a.t status!!
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whodatb1 triple plat x2
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yooooooooooooooo......... just getting to the new ep and im seeing they playing up gigante "insanity" .........

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whodatb1 triple plat x2
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[see tweet]

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jsmooth-117
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It pains me that more of you are not watching and discussing this show.

This show is flames. The acting is top-notch, and the writing, well, was written by history.

Do yourself a favor and tune in.
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[see tweet]
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TheTrollPole
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 whodatb1 said
[see tweet]

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Had it coming
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TheTrollPole
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 jsmooth-117 said
It pains me that more of you are not watching and discussing this show.

This show is flames. The acting is top-notch, and the writing, well, was written by history.

Do yourself a favor and tune in.
You know how it is, with these type of shows n1ggas catch on 3 seasons late then wanna create Godfather of Harlem is better than Snowfall posts
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whodatb1 triple plat x2
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 TheTrollPole said
Had it coming
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trrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeee ..........

i didnt see him snitching .......

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dymablink triple plat x14
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Best new show this year
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dymablink triple plat x14
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That moment at the end when Bumpy heard Guapo ratted on him was priceless
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ezduzit
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 t from the 617 said
the chi has a criminal element but most of the main characters are regular people, but you're right. only one i can think of is insecure.
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ezduzit
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stella is bad as fu#k im this but she gave my man the hug of death in the second episode
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YAYO101
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Great Show with a ALL STAR Cast full of Brilliant Actors (Forrest Whittaker, Vincent D'Onofrio, Giancarlo Esposito...) but they're on the worst fu#king Network Possible so nobody cares about it so far. Maybe people will catch on to it later but regardless, I'm loving this series so far!
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TrillSwag triple plat x1
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This show is so fire. I got a subscription to EPIX just for it. Definitely worth it of this show alone.
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acegutta22 triple plat x5
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 jsmooth-117 said
It pains me that more of you are not watching and discussing this show.

This show is flames. The acting is top-notch, and the writing, well, was written by history.

Do yourself a favor and tune in.
I for one love the show and feel like I need to rewatch every episode because I keep missing details
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jsmooth-117
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Everybodys acting has been fire. My top 3 is

1. Dude playing Malcolm X-Hands down #1
2. vincent d'onofrio
3. Giancarlo Esposito

Honorable Mention: Forest Whitaker (he hasn't been bad, but that just goes to show the level of acting in this show)
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dymablink triple plat x14
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 jsmooth-117 said
Everybodys acting has been fire. My top 3 is

1. Dude playing Malcolm X-Hands down #1
2. vincent d'onofrio
3. Giancarlo Esposito

Honorable Mention: Forest Whitaker (he hasn't been bad, but that just goes to show the level of acting in this show)
The dude who plays Teddy Greene got an oscar nom worthy performance ad the lead in ‘Luce’ earlier this year (top 5 films of the year)


[see video]
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How is this show? I was thinking about checking it out

I assume it's at least solid, but is it really good?
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Elvis triple plat x2
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 Jax Daniel said
How is this show? I was thinking about checking it out

I assume it's at least solid, but is it really good?
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Just go ahead and watch the sh1t


The fu#k
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Elvis triple plat x2
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 jsmooth-117 said
Godfather of Harlem - Historical Accuracy Thread (S01E04)

*Taken from Reddit*

So finally we meet Cassius Clay in this episode. The acting and portrayal of historical figures in this show is remarkable and even though some things are not true it does keep you entertained. Here are some facts, fiction and one thing I'm really unsure about.

As always, if I may have missed something or gotten something wrong please let me know in the comments.



FACT:

The whole Doug Jones-Cassius Clay fight is real. It was the called fight of the year in 1963. Clay really did belittle Jones and called him an “ugly little man” and he was as animated as the series portrays him to be.

Frankie Carbo was a real life boxing promoter and mobster and was actually arrested for managing boxers without a license in 1961 and serving a 25 year sentence for conspiracy and extortion. Him and other mobsters controlled the contract of the current heavyweight champion Sonny Liston.

Vito Genovese was in fact serving a prison bid after being convicted of conspiring to import and sell narcotics. He still was able to give orders and order hits.

Vincent Gigante did actually fight at the Garden four times, fighting Frankie Petrello, Vic Chambers, Andy Peppe and Luther McMillan. His record at the Garden was 3-1, losing to Peppe.

Stella references “Puff The Magic Dragon” by Peter, Paul and Mary. The song was released in January 1963, so I’m glad they have a music reference that is right for once.

Bobby Robinson’s reluctance to sign Teddy Greene due to a political song is representative of the time. I remembering hearing a story that the R&B group, The Drifters were supposed to release a song called “Only In America”. One of the lyrics in the song, references a kid growing up to be president and although the Drifters recorded it, the label never released it because they feared the image of a Black group singing about possibly becoming president was too much for some to handle in 1963, so the aptly named Jay and the Americans ended up with the song. Unless it was Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie, Joan Baez or The Kingston Trio, labels and radio really shied away from political or protest songs. Even Black-owned labels like Motown didn’t release overtly political music until the late 1960’s.

The FBI opened a file on Malcolm X in 1950 while he was still in prison after he wrote a letter to Harry Truman stating his opposition to the Korean War and calling himself a Communist. They began surveillance of him in 1953 due to his rapid rise in the ranks of the Nation of Islam.

Ross Todd and “Possum” were real and two of the eleven businessmen managing and collecting on Cassius Clay at the time. There was a Sports Illustrated article on them: emoji

The Nation of Islam did in fact want Cassius to become champion first and then publicly announce that he was a Muslim. He did this after he won in 1964 and he was given the name Muhammad Ali by Elijah Muhammad

Malcolm X and Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali did have a close relationship and Malcolm served as a mentor to Clay.

Malcolm X did in fact call prizefighting a racket in response to a question from a newspaper. His quote was “Commercialized sport is the pleasure of the idle rich” and that “The vice of gambling stems from it.” He did as expressed in the episode understand the role that Black sports figures played in terms of symbols of prosperity to the masses.

FICTION:

Amy says Bumpy has been out for twelve weeks and still hasn’t come into contact. Bumpy was released in March and it is still March 1963 because the fight took place on March 13th.

Stella shows Teddy a magazine story of May Britt and Sammy Davis Jr. talking about their upcoming marriage. The two were married in 1960, three years earlier.

Frankie Carbo was in jail after being charged with conspiracy and extortion having been sentenced to 25 years. He was paroled early due to ill health.

Mayme Hatcher and Doug Jones were never involved in an affair.

Joe Bonanno never had a son named Lorenzo and none of his other sons were killed in Washington Heights by African Americans. He did however say his son was killed in Washington Heights in 1957 and that reminds me of this story:

emoji

The Bonanno-Gigante is fictional because as I said before: Gigante’s base of operations was never in East Harlem or Harlem, he never had as high a status as the show portrays him to have until later in the decade and he was still serving time. His presence is more representative of the overall Mafia in Harlem.

Gigante never kidnapped Ali

While the mob fixed a lot of fights at the time, the Jones-Clay fight was not one of them. It is rumored that Ali’s fight with Liston fight was fixed.

The then Cassius Clay began attending Nation of Islam meeting in Chicago in 1961. He met Malcolm X in Detroit in 1962 and no one would know he was a Muslim until the Miami Herald broke the story in 1964 before the Liston fight almost causing it to be canceled as was the concern in the episode. emoji

Malcolm X was not at the fight as that would bring attention to allegations that Clay was indeed a Muslim.

Billy Graham never said “Catholics were worse than commies”.

emoji

UNSURE:

Could Lillian be Lillian Lampkin?:

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fu#ked up FICTION for them to portray Mayme as a cheating hoe.
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