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How can a song go 4X platinum but only peak at 51 on the hot 100? - page 3

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Blinx 182
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 The corrector said
By topping the charts in 12 other countries
RIAA is US numbers only.

And OP is a ret@rd.


Release Date.October 31, 2002
Category: SOLO
Type: Digital
Certified Units: 4 Million
Genre: R&B/HIP HOP
Previous Certification:
4x Platinum | March 8, 2022
3x Platinum | March 8, 2022
2x Platinum | February 28, 2018
Platinum | February 28, 2018
Gold | February 28, 2018
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These are probably “sales” from streaming numbers.
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Iduzdis triple plat x1
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Peak doesn’t matter. Chart is bulllsh1t

Example: It’s simple math. Keep selling 5000 copies per week for 5 years consistently and see what that get ya.

Y’all better stop Listening to Akademiks lol
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RivaL SchooLs triple plat x4
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 Epitome said
MGK did what?




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guys who never wrote one bar who been swingin from em's nuts for 2 decades acting like mgk didn't torch slim shady

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psylence2k triple plat x2
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 Until Then said
Radio play is a factor for singles as well regardless the era.

Radio play doesn't count towards certifications (gold, platinum, diamond, etc).
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psylence2k triple plat x2
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 Until Then said
Does the radio not expose a wide audience of people to songs?

Radio play is a factor. Always has always will be
That's not the point of the thread nor my post though.

It's about why is there discrepancy between being so low in radio play but high in certifications for a single.

Why was stan only peaking at 51 on radio but is 4x platinum ? Well because there's no consistently direct correlation historically between radio play and individual single certifications for the multiple reasons I stated.

I never stated anything about radio not exposing a wider audience to a particular song. The point was because of how the industry has been structured over the years there's no direct correlation when comparing past and present songs and their radio play/certification differences.

The thread was never simply about just general exposure by itself. It was about the correlation or lack there of with radio play and certifications especially with older songs.
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psylence2k triple plat x2
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 Until Then said
No matter how furiously you spin radio play = exposure.

I don’t know nor do I care if singles were being sold and counted towards RIAA certifications when that song came out.

Facts are radio play has been and always will be a vehicle to singles being sold physical or digital.

All of these physical singles have sold over four million copies according to either reliable third-party claims or RIAA multi-platinum certifications.

With estimated sales of over 25 million copies, Bing Crosby's "White Christmas" is the highest selling single in North America.

"I Will Always Love You" Whitney Houston 1992 4x physical

In music, a single is a song considered commercially viable enough by the artist and record company to be released separately from an album, usually featured on an album as well.

You take a look at that list and you decide which one of those singles doesn’t have a direct correlation with radio play.

And as far as this song he got to 2x platinum in 2018 because of digital streams.

Nobody is "furiously" spinning anything except you. Why do you keep ignoring what the actual point is and keep trying to make this about something I never said ?

When did I ever say radio play does NOT get you more general exposure ? Never , so why do you keep going off on that tangent ? That's the first thing you're trying to spin. I never made that statement so why are you trying to create an argument out of thin air out of a point I never claimed ?

I never said radio play doesn't get you more general exposure, so stop repeating this over and over.

I ALSO never said that there's never been situations where radio play in certain situations CAN get exposure and that as a result has helped certain singles sell more BUT it doesn't create any consistently direct correlation across the board.

How do we know that's not a consistent standard ? because there are singles from the 90s or earlier that were WAYYYYY huger songs on radio than certain songs post 90s up to today were. Yet the WAYYYY huger song on radio that got CRAZY more radio play have LESS certifications due to things like streaming and the fact that not all singles got released at retail. Also since radio play doesn't officially nor directly count towards certifications. Some songs may spin more at radio than another but "sell" less through retail or streaming. So it's not a direct correlation.

That explains why a song like Stan can only hit 51 on radio and yet sell 4x platinum through streaming later.

One more time. Don't keep going off on a tangent about general exposure, my posts were never about that.

One more time so you dont miss it. If you want to argue my point, argue it correctly. My point was there is no consistent direct correlation between how much radio play something gets and the level of certifications it holds due to many factors including streaming and also that a very small percentage of individual songs were actually released pre-streaming as singles. It was never about general exposure or how in certain situations it has helped exposure here and there but never actually established a consistent or direct correlation.

If you can show me where THAT statement is wrong. Answer THAT, not go off on some tangent about "general exposure" and how in this handful of wikipedia examples it happened. Those are the exception not the rule. Meaning it doesn't happen EVERY time especially not since streaming blew up.

The whole question posed in the thread title explains that WHOLE point. That radio play doesn't always directly correlate with certifications so why do you keep going off on tangents about "exposure, exposure, exposure...". That's NOT the point.


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psylence2k triple plat x2
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 Until Then said
@ psylence2k

“Only way you'd go platinum on a single back in the day is if the label decided to release it in stores individually for like 3-5 bucks but back then people just bought the album for the single.”


You was just provided a list of singles “from back in the day” that all are still being played on the radio today.

Meaning them sh1ts was on the radio big time “back in the day”


I feel like most singles didn't even get offered individually at retail so they couldn't even get a certification.


Sure at some point “physical singles” wasn’t sold separately at a rate like before.

That’s another issue “what really makes a “single” a single.”

“Singles” were meant for the radio aka commercial sales. It’s “advertising”


I don’t think that was a radio song in the first place. And maybe not even being sold as a “physical single”.







This statement still doesn’t change the fact regardless of “physical singles” era or “digital singles” era that radio is SALES. aka advertising

“My point was there is no consistent direct correlation between how much radio play something gets and the level of certifications it holds”

Its a great thing that artist now do not need the radio to have “singles” get certified.

However radio play will never hurt because……..

Okay if you have nothing that directly and specifically disproves my point that there's no direct and consistent correlation then you can stop going in circles and off on tangents with a bunch of statements that are either irrelevant or not disproving my actual point. No need for the long fluffed up posts that didn't really argue against anything I said.

This statement still doesn’t change the fact regardless of “physical singles” era or “digital singles” era that radio is SALES. aka advertising
Also Advertising is NOT sales. Any business 101 class should teach you that. Advertising CAN potentially lead to sales but they are NOT The same thing. Alot of singles pre-streaming didn't even have retail copies so they couldn't get sales for certifications for the single. So those singles still had crazy radio play but little or no sales. So no radio/advertising is not the same as sales.


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Epitome
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 RivaL SchooLs said
guys who never wrote one bar who been swingin from em's nuts for 2 decades acting like mgk didn't torch slim shady

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Press Enter triple plat x176
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 Chalky said
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thats wild. you would think stan would easily have been top 5 on the charts
Stan is legendary
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RivaL SchooLs triple plat x4
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 Epitome said
what u just typed don't even make sense


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psylence2k triple plat x2
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 Until Then said

Deny radio play of singles as a factor throughout the history of radio all you must.
It's not a consistent or directly correlated factor when it comes to certifications. That's what the whole premise of this thread is about.

Learn how to take an L and move on and stop arguing just to argue. Stop making long posts full of irrelevant nonsense that doesn't disprove that original point. You think you're somehow saving face but you're not.

I don't even know why you're still replying but then I see that you have 57k slaps in only two years and realized you're just one of those trolling posters that doesn't know when to quit and runs their mouth all over the place non-stop just to do it. Just stop man. Go outside or do something better with your time.


Last edited by psylence2k; 08-23-2023 at 05:51 AM..
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