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Protests that culminated in a mass rally in Tel Aviv attended by hundreds of thousands of people over the weekend have exposed a yawning chasm between many Israelis and the unpopular hard-line government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Demonstrations called for Sunday had been billed as a day of Israeli solidarity with the families of the hostages held in Gaza and a call to stop the war and bring the captives home. Many businesses observed a popular strike and groups of activists and sympathizers blocked major highways as protests went on into the night. Dozens were arrested.

The scale of the turnout in Tel Aviv indicated that pressure is intensifying on Mr. Netanyahu, who has been almost impervious to public sentiment two years into Israel’s increasingly contentious and expanding offensive in Gaza, set off by the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack on Israel.

The Israeli public is particularly divided over Mr. Netanyahu’s government’s stated goals in Gaza: eliminating Hamas as a military and ruling force and releasing the remaining 50 hostages, about 20 of whom Israel believes to be alive.

Complicating matters for Mr. Netanyahu is that the more unpopular he becomes, the more support he needs to stay in power from the hard-line members of his government, who have adamantly opposed ending the war, said Yohanan Plesner, president of the Israel Democracy Institute, a nonpartisan research group based in Jerusalem.

For Mr. Netanyahu, whose coalition would not get re-elected today according to numerous Israeli polls, “the protests matter less, and intra-coalition politics carry more weight.” Mr. Plesner said.

The main demand of the protesters on Sunday was for the government to prioritize bringing the hostages home. That comes as the government and military move ahead with a plan to take over Gaza City, and possibly the rest of the enclave, in the face of international censure, a dire humanitarian crisis and concerns that the lives of the captives would be endangered.

“Trying to achieve both goals in tandem is no longer valid when you are approaching two years since the October attack,” Mr. Plesner said.

“While defeating Hamas may take many more months and years, bringing back the hostages doesn’t have the same time frame,” he said. Recent videos of two of the hostages, filmed by their captors, showed them in an emaciated state, alarming Israelis and raising questions about how long they could stay alive.

President Trump appeared to back Mr. Netanyahu’s position on Monday, writing in a social media post: “We will only see the return of the remaining hostages when Hamas is confronted and destroyed!!! The sooner this takes place, the better the chances of success will be.”

The October attack led by Hamas killed 1,200 people in Israel — mostly civilians — with an additional 250 taken hostage. The subsequent Israeli campaign against Hamas has killed more than 60,000 Palestinians in Gaza, including 18,000 children and minors, according to Gazan health officials, who do not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Complicating matters for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, center, is that the more unpopular he becomes, the more support he needs from the hard-line members of his government, an analyst said.Credit...Eric Lee for The New York Times

While Israel says its military takes precautions to protect civilians in Gaza and accuses Hamas of using them as human shields, there has been little apparent introspection among the high command over the death toll.

Aharon Haliva, Israel’s former military intelligence chief who resigned over his part in the failure to foresee and prevent the October 2023 attack, was heard in leaked, undated recordings aired on Friday by Channel 12 News saying that 50,000 dead in Gaza was “necessary and required for future generations,” and that “For every person who was killed on Oct. 7, 50 Palestinians must die.”

Channel 12 included a statement from Mr. Haliva acknowledging making the comments, but saying that he regretted they had been made public.

In the recording, Mr. Haliva also excoriated political leaders who he said bore responsibility for the failure, including Mr. Netanyahu, for refusing to resign.

The organizers of the protest Sunday — relatives of hostages and people killed in the October 2023 attack — insisted that it was not meant to be political.

Some members of the government nevertheless went on the attack.

Mr. Netanyahu criticized the protesters on Sunday, saying, “Those who are calling for an end to the war today, without defeating Hamas, are not only hardening Hamas’s stance and pushing off the release of our hostages, they are also ensuring that the horrors of Oct. 7 will recur again and again.”

When a bereaved mother tried on Sunday to address a vigil outside the home of the education minister, Yoav Kisch, from Mr. Netanyahu’s conservative Likud party, her words were drowned out by loud music coming out of the house. Another Likud lawmaker, Hanoch Milwidsky, said the protests were “riots in support of Hamas.”

The Israeli campaign against Hamas has killed more than 60,000 Palestinians in Gaza, including 18,000 children and minors, according to Gazan health officials.Credit...Saher Alghorra for The New York Times

But many who want to see the hostages released quickly say that a cease-fire must be achieved first and that Hamas will always give Israel an excuse to resume fighting later.

And while Mr. Netanyahu says Hamas was responsible for the impasse in negotiations, the group blames Israel.

Few Israelis had any illusion that the demonstration Sunday would have any immediate impact on the government after nearly two years of weekly protests. Many of those who attend those protests say they do so not out of any expectation of forcing a change, but to let the families of the hostages know they are not alone.

Prof. Tamar Hermann, an Israeli public opinion expert, said the movement to free the hostages had become “colored by politics” as the weekly protests pressuring the government to reach a deal with Hamas had mixed with anti-government demonstrations that began well before the war.

“The vast majority of the participants are people that wouldn’t vote for the coalition’s parties even if you pulled out their fingernails,” Professor Hermann said. “And so from the government’s perspective, they have no reason to change their policy,” she said.

Nili Bresler, 73, who was protesting in Tel Aviv on Sunday, said, “People have normalized the situation, there are hostages in Gaza and a lot of the young generation seem to be able to live with that.”

She added that Israeli soldiers were being sent off to fight in “a useless war that cannot be won.”

Organizers of the protest said more than 400,000 people turned out in Tel Aviv on Sunday night. The police did not provide any official estimate, but the crowds packed a large plaza that has been renamed Hostages Square and the surrounding streets and the protest was considered the largest of its kind in almost a year.

The number 400,000 holds a symbolism for many older Israelis. In the early 1980s, an estimated 400,000 people rallied in Tel Aviv against Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in what was described as the largest protest in the history of the country, whose population was then half what it is now.

But those were very different times. Mr. Plesner noted that the prime minister at the time, Menachem Begin, who founded the Likud party, “First of all respected the protesters and took them into account.” Ultimately, Mr. Begin resigned.

Aaron Boxerman contributed reporting from Jerusalem and Johnatan Reiss from Tel Aviv.

Isabel Kershner, a Times correspondent in Jerusalem, has been reporting on Israeli and Palestinian affairs since 1990.

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thechanickal1
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Why don’t they just give up? I don’t get it
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why do they keep voting for him, next year make 30 years since he was first elected
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Lets see how the Mainstream Media spins this
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would've been the perfect time to drop that hiroshima
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would've been the perfect time to drop that hiroshima
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I think y'all getting it confused

I've seen them protest countless times asking to bring the hostages home ASAP. They have been willing to be very angry at any politician who didn't say to bring the hostages back quickly

But I have yet to see one protest where they're saying don't kill the babies, or don't starve the babies, or stop bombing the innocents, or stop occupying land like the international courts said

Of course, maybe I'm wrong, but please post evidence of these kinds of protests. I would be keen to learn more
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The Israeli people and the Israeli government are two different things. The people there live under an authoritarian regime just like North Korea
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 Sin said
why do they keep voting for him, next year make 30 years since he was first elected
Because he's on a mission to bring about the Anti-Christ, who the jews refer to as the promised messiah.

That is why he's untouchable.

Netanyahu himself said a few days ago he's on a "spiritual and historical mission".

Here's a clip of Netanyahu from 35 years ago where he meets the highest rabbi, who asks him to hurry up and make it happen.




[see video]




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M03wayve
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 illathruz said
I think y'all getting it confused

I've seen them protest countless times asking to bring the hostages home ASAP. They have been willing to be very angry at any politician who didn't say to bring the hostages back quickly

But I have yet to see one protest where they're saying don't kill the babies, or don't starve the babies, or stop bombing the innocents, or stop occupying land like the international courts said

Of course, maybe I'm wrong, but please post evidence of these kinds of protests. I would be keen to learn more

That’s what this is. Not about killing babies and genocide but bringing hostages home
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 thechanickal1 said
Why don’t they just give up? I don’t get it
The extremists want that land. They won't stop now until they get at least Gaza, probably the westbank too.
Plus Netanyahu will go down for his corruption charges if he stops the wars. I dunno what the law is exactly there, but they don't seem to be able to prosecute him with the wars going on.
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 M03wayve said
That’s what this is. Not about killing babies and genocide but bringing hostages home
Not at all. Wtf are you talking about? They had multiple times they could've brought the hostages home now and broke the deal or just refused it every time.
They dont want the hostages back. Thats one of their main excuses they are using to keep this going.

Edit. My bad i misunderstood what you meant.


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Because he's on a mission to bring about the Anti-Christ, who the jews refer to as the promised messiah.

That is why he's untouchable.

Netanyahu himself said a few days ago he's on a "spiritual and historical mission".

Here's a clip of Netanyahu from 35 years ago where he meets the highest rabbi, who asks him to hurry up and make it happen.



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Ever since the Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin
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Logician
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 lars said
Ever since the Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin
it has been all down hill
Yeah, they're so psychotic that they even kill their own if they attempt peace.


That's because they're zionists and zionism entails israel taking more land for greater israel, not making peace
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 lars said
Lets see how the Mainstream Media spins this
by not showing it and or saying "hate crimes against hewish people are increasing" typical BB media control
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 lars said
Lets see how the Mainstream Media spins this
They will say they are anti semitic
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 lars said
Lets see how the Mainstream Media spins this
Lets see how I spin your BIG D
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Logician
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 M03wayve said
That’s what this is. Not about killing babies and genocide but bringing hostages home
Exactly, most of the protesters couldn't care less about the Palestinian women and children being bombed, burned, starved, frozen to death.

I've never witnessed a psychotic civilization like the israels, ever.

The whole population is filled with hatred and the feeling of supremecy over everybody else.

fu#k israel
fu#k zionism
fu#k netanyahu

FREE PALESTINE
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 Logician said
Exactly, most of the protesters couldn't care less about the Palestinian women and children being bombed, burned, starved, frozen to death.

I've never witnessed a psychotic civilization like the israels, ever.

The whole population is filled with hatred and the feeling of supremecy over everybody else.

fu#k israel
fu#k zionism
fu#k netanyahu

FREE PALESTINE
It’s in their philosophy to hate everyone and kill
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Too late. We've seen your real face moses.
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 Sin said
why do they keep voting for him, next year make 30 years since he was first elected
He has the complete backing of the orthodox in Israel. Under him, they don’t have to serve in the army nor work. And everyone that’s not orthodox pays the orthodox out of their salary each month. It’s the worst. I’m sure there’s even more to it than that.
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 WiseBeyondYears said
The Israeli people and the Israeli government are two different things. The people there live under an authoritarian regime just like North Korea


True, as is the case with every nation. BUT I will say, the majority of the street interviews and such that I've seen of Israelis over the years, they didn't show much empathy for Palestinians at all.



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This vid is 7 years old. Imagine what it would be like today.

From what I know they heavily indoctrinate their citizens from birth into dehumanizing Palestinians, and it is evidently very effective. In NK the people suffer, know they have to play along or get disappeared, and would escape/defect if they had the chance. Israelis largely enjoy high standards of living, support their regime's actions, and don't want to leave, they want to "evict."

There is a minority of Israelis that works for peace and engages with Palestinians but they are crazily outnumbered.
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Trump bout to send Bebe Netanyoohoo some free money and yall ain't gone say sh1t you bi#ches
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Lousy a$s rapist president and his genocide partners
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 illathruz said
I think y'all getting it confused

I've seen them protest countless times asking to bring the hostages home ASAP. They have been willing to be very angry at any politician who didn't say to bring the hostages back quickly

But I have yet to see one protest where they're saying don't kill the babies, or don't starve the babies, or stop bombing the innocents, or stop occupying land like the international courts said

Of course, maybe I'm wrong, but please post evidence of these kinds of protests. I would be keen to learn more

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It’s both…. A lot of them see the declaration of Israel/US claiming the Gaza Strip as the execution of the hostages. Others have been protesting the genocide and starvation for weeks….
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