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icon Father and son murdered in Brooklyn after male egos clash is this self defense? - page 9

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DjCmitch
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  '14 
 rnaotg said
since when is shooting someone from behind self defense dumb a$s n1gga
Someone killed my friend pops like that, he unloaded the clip in his back while unarmed and got manslaughter. If there is a threat of a weapon and they shoot someone in the back, it may not be self defense but they can definitely get it reduced to manslaughter.

But that’s in Texas, idk about New York.
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micseles
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sh1t sad, male ego is m'fer. n1gga with the scissors was bluffing and probably only doing that sh1t because he was in front of his family/girl. Don't ever pull a weapon of any kind on somebody unless you going to use it. I don't give a sh1t if it's damn bobby pin.
I don't put blame on one person though, both of them had the option to stop arguing and just walk away and neither was "man" enough to do it. Im 41 years old, 4 kids a career etc. Got too much to lose than to be out here arguing with dusty folks in a sh1thole apartment complex.


n1ggas in here talking about self defense gotta $TFU. He shot a kid that didn't have anything to do with it, trying to get away.
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Kingtrips2
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  '22 
Neighbor disputes can get crazy.. but this is wild, son is crazy

1 you can tell the shooter was going to risk it all
2 the pops didn’t help the situation actually made it worse you threatening boy with scissors
3 the son died for no reason


Rip to the pops and son
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gogosunday triple plat x12
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  '20 
Self defense?? Where he walked up and shot em in the head as the bled out…??? I’m going to go out on a limb and say probably not


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ChoAssUp triple plat x1
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  '15 

This is disgusting.


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EverythingWith2 triple plat x1
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  '22 
 MyStYlEaRt said
Definitely not self defense. When the man with the scissors turned around, he was no longer a threat to him. He getting prison time.
Sad situation.
Doesn't always work like this in the court of law. The judge and the jury have to make that decision. Just cause a mufu#ka turn they back on you don't mean they ain't headed to get some extra sh1t to fu#k you up worse
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Passport triple plat x2
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 Kyu said
I was talking with my wife about this situation tonight. I told her if we were in the situation and you just witnessed this psychopath shoot me in the back and murder our son, I would want you to get our daughter in the house and close the door. If the wife stayed out there she was going to get murdered as well. I’m going to need my wife and daughter to tell the story. No use of us all getting killed
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Yes agreed that is the one part the wife in this story did right. The other sh1t she did was dumb like pulling hard on her husbands shirt hard twice which made him turn his back

And then her coming out when the door was wide open with her husband getting dressed

But her closing the door was the right decision
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prophetmoses
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 Strong Side Iso said
Here's the problem:

The shooter was standing still, where he was, at a safe distance just talking. No aggressive sh1t.

It's the dude that came out and jumped in his face on some rah rah sh1t that escalated the bullsh1t. He could've talked from a safe distance like men. But he had to come out on some aggressive sh1t.

I'm gonna keep it a buck: If you jump in a n1gga face to SAY what you gonna do, you might as well done DID it. Why pump fake? Why half step? If you pump fake like it's about to be bloody war, can't be surprised when it turns out to be bloody war.

I wouldn't have shot the dude but as soon as he turned his back I would've hit him with something.
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NYC laws doesn't see it like that though.

Leaving your own safe dwelling, going all the way upstairs to confront your neighbor with a loaded firearm is the initial aggressor. Other states it's common and legal to carry a firearm. Not NYC.


Secondly, in the longer version of the video when the father was shirtless, he reaches for the gun for a split second but the father went back in to grab his shirt. Him still standing around waiting for the father to come out again is premeditated at that point.
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UncleSpo triple plat x44
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Messed up shooting the kid, he looked like a stay at home gamer, he just ran the wrong way
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Jayvinci triple plat x10
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 OG T Gutta N said
u just an emotional bi#ch cause u see ur dumbass self in the same shoes as the father and son

finishin someone off still dont eliminate self defense

trayvon got smoked cause he beat zimmerman a$s with his fist,

u got every right in todays time to head shot , kick a muthafu#ka , take a p1ss and pump ur entire clip all in they skull if u fear for ur life

u dont gotta "eliminate the threat" in a specific nor civilized manner for it to be reasonable , u just gotta think its reasonable
It's rare to see someone so confident with a WRONG ANSWER...
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BuckedCrazy
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Sad sh1t..quiet guy from my school was murdered a few years ago after asking his neighbor to turn down the music
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Blinx 182
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  '11 
sh1t happened so fast it made me sick to my stomach
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Mainman301 triple plat x4
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  '22 
 Dripset said
Check out the victim(r.I.p) ig page, that mf was in loud places at all times lol even had videos of him jamming to Rick Ross in apartment
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Link???
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whitejesus
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FromThaSouth86
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 Ruga's Rib Shack said
Full video
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Passport triple plat x2
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 NeXPhazE said
Yo... The wife got them both killed. She needed to run away from the situation instead of getting involved. If she doesn't grab her husband, the guy never gets a chance to draw his gun. The son is a hero though!
She also at the start left the door wide open while her husband was putting his clothes on and came out first herself to approach dude. He could have killed the whole family then

I saw the interview she did and I feel her pain for losing her husband and son but i know she feeling guilt now. Guarantee the husband has had arguments with her over her getting involved in personal sh1t but women dont like to listen. I kno the women in that family will get it now.

Wtf you coming outside for BEFORE your husband? And leaving the door open while he getting dressed? I expect young ratchets to do some sh1t like that to come out before their man...but a grown a$s woman doing that?

Pulling on the back of your husbands shirt twice hard as fu#k while his back is turned to a n1gga who got both of his hands in his pockets

Always trying to take over situations and trying to be the man....your job is to stay inside with the kids and let your husband handle it and stop putting your two cents in...if anything you suppose to go inside and call the police


And before people complain im not taking responsibility from the shooter and saying they arent to blame but so many things could have been prevented to prevent this crazy n1gga from doing what he did

And 311 should have done their job about the noise complaints instead of sitting on their ass.


Last edited by Passport; 11-01-2023 at 06:59 AM..
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Mainman301 triple plat x4
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 Monkeytech1990 said
Look I'm not on the shooter side but we dont know the back story. It's people like the father who will play tuff even when you come in peace. This situation could have been escalating for a very long time to the point the guy just had enough. Its only so much disrespect a man can take until he snaps. I'm sure the son isn't innocent in this situation, probably was ready to jump the man if the father would have fought. RIP to the both either way but its wise to always take in consideration of the other person before you decide to play the tuff guy. Father wasn't a good role model in this situation. The other guy didn't even seem like a threat to be honest probably came to talk to them again about a situation and the father wanted stuff to go left.
the shooter had called 311 like 5 times before and nobody has done anything about the noise. He had enough
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Lord Funkington
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  '15 
New york is a duty to retreat state so no. Dipsh1t just wanted to kill someone.
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NOCCOWT
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  '06 
 OG T Gutta N said
of course thats self defense

u pull a shank / knife / scissors on me let alone up to my face and neck

im poppin u soon as i can

aint sh1t sad

u front ur move u gon die out here aint nobody playin
I was tryna make out what he had in his hand. But anyway if the female wasn't on him he would've had a fighting chance cause he could've saw him reaching and tried to stop him. This is sad as fu#k that's why females need to mind their fu#king business if they not popping off with you.
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MyStYlEaRt triple plat x1
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 Eddie.. said
he was no longer a threat. so that means in your opinion, he was a threat? thats just your words you used so at some point in your mind the bigger n1gga with scissors who threatened the other man was a threat?
The father that got shot was a threat initially. As stupid as it was, you can’t put a sharp object like a scissor to someone’s neck/face…they can claim their life was in danger. In most states, once someone turns around and is leaving, at that point they are no longer a threat and you cannot legally use deadly force.

This all happened because of ego, which as a man I understand. Us men gotta be willing to take the L sometimes, sh1t cost him his life and his sons life. He should have stayed in the apartment, called 911 and let the police handle it.
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EMER1TUS
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 OG T Gutta N said
u just an emotional bi#ch cause u see ur dumbass self in the same shoes as the father and son

finishin someone off still dont eliminate self defense

trayvon got smoked cause he beat zimmerman a$s with his fist,

u got every right in todays time to head shot , kick a muthafu#ka , take a p1ss and pump ur entire clip all in they skull if u fear for ur life

u dont gotta "eliminate the threat" in a specific nor civilized manner for it to be reasonable , u just gotta think its reasonable
You’re an idiot

You can’t shoot a mfr in the back under no circumstances. Legally there is no threat at the moment if the person you’re shooting at has his back to you. Could he still assault you if he turn around? Yes but he has to turn around and come for you. Once he turns his back to you you can’t claim self defense.

And you certainly can’t shoot the father, shoot the child who had nothing to do with it, then go back and headshot the father already disabled on the ground.

Dude is done
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Passport triple plat x2
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 Wize said
Train yo b1tch to use that tool. Period, point blank. It's sum situations you ain't gonna be able to handle it yourself for whatever reason. Yo Bish needs to be ready,, at end of the day the shooter will wack her too after you fall. If this female was trained with the gun she coulda shot this dude soon as he pulled his weapon while the dad's back was turned. Or she had another opportunity to shoot the dude after the dude was aiming at the son.
No her job was to stay the fu#k out of the business of two men and not instigate and stay with the children inside and be ready to call police if anything

Plus this is NY not the South
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NOCCOWT
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 FromThaSouth86 said
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And he patiently waited for the elevator
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EMER1TUS
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 MyStYlEaRt said
The father that got shot was a threat initially. As stupid as it was, you can’t put a sharp object like a scissor to someone’s neck/face…they can claim their life was in danger. In most states, once someone turns around and is leaving, at that point they are no longer a threat and you cannot legally use deadly force.

This all happened because of ego, which as a man I understand. Us men gotta be willing to take the L sometimes, sh1t cost him his life and his sons life. He should have stayed in the apartment, called 911 and let the police handle it.
n1ggas be clowning women as instigators

I wish he woulda listened to wifey she was trying to pull him away
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NOCCOWT
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Just saw the uncut video. Looks like he probably was threatened by him before because it looked like he came to talk. But had that just incase. The way they tell the story is he just came there knocked on the door and aired them out. Damn
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