New Kendrick Lamar DISS - page 21

You aint said that sh1t even your post.

It’s alot of rap out there

Ig views at 10 million in 2 hours. Dot might do 500k first week on this album.

Yeah. It’s definitely a weird look.

That’s light. I predict a mill. The hype is insane.

I never seen a diss record move culture like this.

I can’t see the album doing anything less than 700

Just a guess here, but I feel like the bars they muted had something to do with him shooting the place up…

…”watch the party” die comes off like he finna slump the whole spot.

did i say there wasn't ?

The line is something like “kill dude and his son”

People figured it out on Twitter

Nah Pac & Big are solidified even if you personally disagree. They have the impact that’s still felt 20 years later and their music with the short amount of time they were on this earth is better to vastly better than artists that outlived them.

You mention those things not moving you but that falls into impact. Respectfully who are you to say his impact is very light when someone else can offer a different perspective and say they actually are extremely impactful not just for hip hop but for music?

I will say though, to add to your previous point you were making with of Kendrick currently writing his legacy, that is true.

So that leads into a thought that perhaps his impact with rappers following his footsteps might not be felt now but could be felt years later when his story is completed. It’s difficult to say based on the climate of where people were artistically & intellectually when Kanye/Wayne came out and even Pac.

We’ve significantly diminished as a society since then and it’s clear in the product we’ve received in the past 10 years.

The issue with a convo like this however is it blends too much into personal preference and muddies what would be a consensus. I could say Mr Morale is a classic ahead of its time based off the themes, the production, the layered story he presented and you could just say nah it was Iite.

I will say though, you make points that I have heard others say in criticism to Kendrick being among the greats and we will have to see everything play out with his next few musical releases. I personally have him top 3 all time after this beef but I do enjoy the conversation, you always offer good debates when I see you engage with posters.

Listen to some other shyt and stop bi#ching then Ni99a

The line is something like “kill dude and his son”

People figured it out on Twitter

Yeah, Big and Pac are still only in my top 5 based on Impact...and even though I prefer Big's music over Pac's, I can admit his impact has been more after death than Big, and by the rappers who try to emulate different aspects of his style and personality. But for me, I never have a strong argument if someone doesn't have them in their top 5 because I can see why. I always say this, but I think rap is the only profession where someone with that small amount of longevity and greatness can be considered the 'greatest' ever...to me it's contradictory because 'ever' is inherently time-bound. We don't do that when we say greatest painter, author, businessman, etc for example...even in the other musical genres, the greats showed greatness over a relatively long period of time, even if not consistently great (and no one is at their prime for long)...

The things i mentioned about Dot having that's not moving me, I'd consider those accolades of the artist, but that may be semantics. When I think impact, it's about how u affected others and not necessarily what u've accomplished for urself. Like pulitzer prize or highest grossing tour to me isn't 'impact.' But I can see the argument and i think it goes with what we're both saying about his story still being written. Like if future great rappers win a pulitzer, it's like Kendrick did that or he was the first one to force white folks to recognize it...i happen to think that it was done for 'wanna be down' purposes, but that's just my opinion and it's still a fact that he got it done and elevated hip hop in that conversation.

For those other rappers I mentioned with impact, to me it's more huge that they changed the game as non-vets...like changed how people made music in the midst of their hey-day...with Dot, I didn't see rappers follow in the footsteps in real time, but that may be unfair to him because in his era, the game was much more controlled by execs so it may have been harder for him to do. But then I saw the likes of Drake and Ye do it in the same era...even Future...but maybe folks emulated them because that's the pop artist is who execs were pushing anyway. Just like there was no avenue for Nas, Pac, Wu, etc to win grammys and pulitzers, one can say Kendrick came along at a point where so much was done before him, that it's harder to make impact.

I hear ya with personal preference vs consensus, but I don't think it's that muddied because I think for the most part, classics are somewhat 'universal.'...Like Mr Morale didn't get that simultaneous general fanbase and critically acclaimed adoration the other 3 did, and personally I like it wayyy more than TPAB (yet consider that a classic because of that general fanbase and critical acclaimed love).

Yeah, definitely have to see how it plays out. The impact argument is why I have him as 6th or 7th...but on a lot of days, I'll put him over Big/Pac, so 4th is the highest for me. 7th the lowest...Black Thought is the other one I have in there, but Dot obviously has had more impact on the music and culture than BT, whose unwillingness to make mainstream music hindered his impact.

Lastly, Hov's not really doing much musically at all, so I believe Dot can walk down Wayne and Jay for their spots in the next 5-10 years easily if things continue the way they are now. The one he's gonna have a hard time catching is Nas because i think Nas hears his footsteps and is one of the things motivating him to still push boundaries. He's a hip hop head thru and thru, so he'll probably have to be physically incapable of making music to stop (Dot too), but it's crazy to me how he's still doing sh1t that's never been done like making 3 trilogies at once with nothing to prove. Rapping at a high level more than 30 years in the game and still legitimately one of the best active rappers spitting on a pure skill-level. I envision Dot doing the same type of sh1t when he's 30 years in, but that's speculation, where with Nas it's current reality + gave room for the Kdot's of the world to be both commercially and artistically successful at the same time, where almost all rappers have to pick either or. So it's like Dot's success accentuates Nas'...just like Nas' success accentuates Rakim's...but there's always room to pass your forefathers...

I remember having a similar convo with ...u guys make great cases for Kdot for sure

Says the guy who is glazing Drake, got it

what ?

Keep it a buck. Its trash

Yall remember last week when I said what I said?????

Ok....

I’m tryna get what everybody hearing. I just come from a generation where I heard better.. dmx nas pac etc. I guess it’s new to younger peoples ear

Yall remember last week when I said what I said?????

Ok....

i need a coli joint

hopefully somebody see this
i got real dollars
mf argue for virtual props out here
why not make a buck

can u do me a favor and make a post over there requesting a name for anyone who has a spare? all i wanna do is post porches and real sh1t. ima tip u if i get one. mf on here can vouch i pay no bullsh1t