Bklynzfinest said
Those people saying Big the GOAT too are also wrong imo... Been wrong... Same as Pac....2 albums or 2 years (in Pac's case) of being amazing ain't cutting it...don't make shadow arguments for things I didn't say.
Diss song on billboard/superbowl/or even pulitzer that others have deserved doesn't move me one bit. The pulitzer yes, but that's because white folks were now ready to acknowledge hip hop...I can name at least 5 rappers deserving pulitzers...
Lol@ AT LEAST 3 classics...yeah ok n1gga... That's gonna be subjective, but to me he has exactly 3 and one that I'll never go back and listen to in full with (TPAB), but I still acknowledge it as a classic because it ain't just about me. Section 80 and GKMC are the classics I'm always gonna go back to. Damn ain't a classic...neither is the last one.
And yes, he's definitely one of the best performers ever and the best I've seen in rap.
However, his impact on the music and the game is VERY VERY light for someone as talented and accomplished as he is. For all he has done, he didn't create a wave of rappers who wanted to do conscious music in the market nor did the market/game shift based on the music he made, nor did people start making concept albums like that. I'm not talking about skills...even if u think he's the best rapper, to me he can't be greatest with those unchecked boxes of actually impacting the music. Tbh, Kanye and Wayne especially impacted the game more and neither are better than him. Drake kind of did too and he's nowhere as good.
With all said about actual musical product, skills, AND impact, he's still running significantly behind Nas, Jay, and Wayne imo....it would take A LOT more impact to surpass especially Nas and Jay... The only clear edge he has over the GOAT nas is the performance angle (which is only one aspect under the skills umbrella)...in terms of impact , it's not even close...
Nah Pac & Big are solidified even if you personally disagree. They have the impact that’s still felt 20 years later and their music with the short amount of time they were on this earth is better to vastly better than artists that outlived them.
You mention those things not moving you but that falls into impact. Respectfully who are you to say his impact is very light when someone else can offer a different perspective and say they actually are extremely impactful not just for hip hop but for music?
I will say though, to add to your previous point you were making with (it was actually my apologies) of Kendrick currently writing his legacy, that is true.
So that leads into a thought that perhaps his impact with rappers following his footsteps might not be felt now but could be felt years later when his story is completed. It’s difficult to say based on the climate of where people were artistically & intellectually when Kanye/Wayne came out and even Pac.
We’ve significantly diminished as a society since then and it’s clear in the product we’ve received in the past 10 years.
The issue with a convo like this however is it blends too much into personal preference and muddies what would be a consensus. I could say Mr Morale is a classic ahead of its time based off the themes, the production, the layered story he presented and you could just say nah it was Iite.
I will say though, you make points that I have heard others say in criticism to Kendrick being among the greats and we will have to see everything play out with his next few musical releases. I personally have him top 3 all time after this beef but I do enjoy the conversation, you always offer good debates when I see you engage with posters.
Last edited by Black Excellence; 09-11-2024 at 08:28 PM..
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