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dakid4b
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 Don Snow said
Ignoring all the other players he's paid the same as
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Dog Vanvleet is nearly 7 years older than him averages less points and shoots a lower percentage him being better is debatable

you on some next sh1t fr fr
even if i give you vanvleet which i dont its just one player of all the random names you gave who gives a fu#k. you can go threw all the players you want it doesnt change the fact that a low iq below average def cant shoot high volume iso player does not fit in on the knicks. can we stop talking about this bum and move on to the actual good piece of the trade in IQ
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Lurker
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 dakid4b said
and u still talking as if we also didnt get back other players and off loaded that rj contract. it aint like precious is anything special but for fu#ks sake we had the corpse of taj gibson out there so thats a decent upgrade .

as soon as people realize that the actual trade was IQ for OG the better people will understand. rj was a throw in to get rid of that contract and get him away where he didnt fit as a 3rd iso scorer when our 1 and 2 are already iso scorers its just not sustainable
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Lurker
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dakid4b
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Lurker
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Only gonna go higher now that we got OG on the team .
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Lurker
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Rockstar718
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 Don Snow said
its not, and you keep ignoring they have to pay this 40 million or he's a rental

you acting like those are lottery picks you been fu#king dizzy since the trade
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If he's a rental we have a ton of cap space to bring in free agents who fit our needs. That was not going to happen if we were paying RJ and then giving quick the 25 mill he was asking for.

If OG plays for a contract and proves he's worth it I'm fine with paying him because 1 it's not my money and 2 he would show why he fits this team as currently constructed.

We definitely have enough to resign Hartenstein and either continue with Mitchell Rob or move him and sign a younger big with more of a scoring ability like a Nic Claxton or a Mo Wagner in free agency.
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dakid4b
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 Rockstar718 said
If he's a rental we have a ton of cap space to bring in free agents who fit our needs. That was not going to happen if we were paying RJ and then giving quick the 25 mill he was asking for.

If OG plays for a contract and proves he's worth it I'm fine with paying him because 1 it's not my money and 2 he would show why he fits this team as currently constructed.

We definitely have enough to resign Hartenstein and either continue with Mitchell Rob or move him and sign a younger big with more of a scoring ability like a Nic Claxton or a Mo Wagner in free agency.
i think ihart is gone, he playing to well someone gonna offer him a large contract
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CJ Schwarz triple plat x277 OP
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 59fifty said
Bro I was done talking ball when fans wanted to give obi the keys at pf and were saying it’s rj’s team give him keys( yeah I ain’t forget) a lot of nut takes…
I stand on that statement but now we'll never know

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BxCastro
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We quoting Zach fu#kin Lowe on here? This is the only time you'll quote this idiot. The same clown that didn't select any knick player for all nba last season. Then you mention the grizz picks that were offered prior to trade deadline last season in a season they finished 2nd in the west two seasons in a row. They are not going to finish 10-22 sh1t I wouldn't be surprised if they make the play in. You gotta stop doing that stupid sh1t you do to make a silly fu#kin point. Lets be happy with the move and move on but to sh1t on guys already out the door is fooley sh1t
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Don Snow
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 Lurker said
Bro they are 10-22 right now. They are going into the lottery this year
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They would’ve been looking at having TWO lottery picks (Mem-Tor) in the upcoming draft while also not having RJ contract on the books. And they prolly could get another 1st for Siakam trade.
Because Ja got suspended they were the 2 seed the last 2 seasons

In hindsight they should’ve taken that if true but that’s a big risk thinking a top 5 player gonna be suspended for 1/3 of the season
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Don Snow
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 dakid4b said
even if i give you vanvleet which i dont its just one player of all the random names you gave who gives a fu#k. you can go threw all the players you want it doesnt change the fact that a low iq below average def cant shoot high volume iso player does not fit in on the knicks. can we stop talking about this bum and move on to the actual good piece of the trade in IQ
Again you saying he doesn’t fit we know that man

And yes they give up IQ on top of it that’s my point bro
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Don Snow
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 Rockstar718 said
If he's a rental we have a ton of cap space to bring in free agents who fit our needs. That was not going to happen if we were paying RJ and then giving quick the 25 mill he was asking for.

If OG plays for a contract and proves he's worth it I'm fine with paying him because 1 it's not my money and 2 he would show why he fits this team as currently constructed.

We definitely have enough to resign Hartenstein and either continue with Mitchell Rob or move him and sign a younger big with more of a scoring ability like a Nic Claxton or a Mo Wagner in free agency.
That ain’t doing sh1t for this team

OG making superstar money is a horrible contract

Nic Claxton and Mo Wagner cmon fam
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dakid4b
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 Don Snow said
Again you saying he doesn’t fit we know that man

And yes they give up IQ on top of it that’s my point bro
and im trying to tell you the trade was iq for og and barret was a toxic asset the knicks wanted to get rid of
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dakid4b
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 Don Snow said
That ain’t doing sh1t for this team

OG making superstar money is a horrible contract

Nic Claxton and Mo Wagner cmon fam
what is superstar money to you
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BxCastro
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 Don Snow said
That ain’t doing sh1t for this team

OG making superstar money is a horrible contract

Nic Claxton and Mo Wagner cmon fam
OG is gonna make more than Josh Hart he's a taller and better version of him. So look for anything north of 25 mill per season. Superstar contracts have changed drastically to between 40-60. I dont think he gets anywhere close to that but thats what we have to expect to give Randle/Jalen when its time. Im just sweating thinking about that number but hey it aint my money

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dakid4b
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 BxCastro said
OG is gonna make more than Josh Hart he's a taller and better version of him. So look for anything north of 25 mill per season. Superstar contracts have changed drastically to between 40-60. I dont think he gets anywhere close to that but thats what we have to expect to give Randle/Jalen when its time. Im just sweating thinking about that number but hey it aint my money

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and if he is a man of his word knicks will get a discount
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Rockstar718
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 Don Snow said
That ain’t doing sh1t for this team

OG making superstar money is a horrible contract

Nic Claxton and Mo Wagner cmon fam
What other young centers are free agents next year? You want to swing for KAT who is going to be making 50 mill next year??

Jerami Grant contract set the tone for the market, if he plays well he's going to get 20-25 mill a year. The new TV deal and cap increase is going to make spending that much not so much of a big deal.

Again, it's not your money, why do you care if the contract is horrible? If we didn't do the trade we'd have no cap space to sign anyone.
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mt fuji
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 Rockstar718 said
What other young centers are free agents next year? You want to swing for KAT who is going to be making 50 mill next year??

Jerami Grant contract set the tone for the market, if he plays well he's going to get 20-25 mill a year. The new TV deal and cap increase is going to make spending that much not so much of a big deal.

Again, it's not your money, why do you care if the contract is horrible? If we didn't do the trade we'd have no cap space to sign anyone.
Honestly, that's kind of where I'm at.
Let the front office do their job.
Listen, Rose and World Wide Wes aren't perfect, but for the most part they seem to either clean up their mistake, and or put the player in a position to showcase themselves.
RJ got paid, They recognized it was a bad deal and got from up under it.
Remember, this regime did not draft RJ.
IQ will be missed. I think he has all nba potential. Fact is, we couldn't keep him and everyone else. Yes, it will come back to bite us but it's either trade him or lose him for nothing.
I can't wait to see what he does for a full season at 30-35 minutes per a game.
Then again, maybe I'm overrating our guy.
I was one of those Obi guys who felt trading him was a mistake.
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Rockstar718
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 dakid4b said
i think ihart is gone, he playing to well someone gonna offer him a large contract
Maybe. We'd have the money to pay him to stay, him and Mitch are close so hopefully that's enough to convince him to run it back on a longer deal. Maybe similar in size and structure to Mitch's depreciating deal.

There's not a great center class available as free agents next year. Jonas Valanciunas is the best available but idk about spending big money on him.
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Lurker
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 BxCastro said
We quoting Zach fu#kin Lowe on here? This is the only time you'll quote this idiot. The same clown that didn't select any knick player for all nba last season. Then you mention the grizz picks that were offered prior to trade deadline last season in a season they finished 2nd in the west two seasons in a row. They are not going to finish 10-22 sh1t I wouldn't be surprised if they make the play in. You gotta stop doing that stupid sh1t you do to make a silly fu#kin point. Lets be happy with the move and move on but to sh1t on guys already out the door is fooley sh1t
- You dissing Zach Lowe but I bet you were doing cartwheels when he jumped out the window and said RJ Baret is the best player on the team this two months ago. 💀


- Look at the standings , who’s going to fall off?? Memphis is 7 games back from the 10th seed lmao. That’s a HUGE deficit in the nba . In the western conference . They’re done .



 Don Snow said
Because Ja got suspended they were the 2 seed the last 2 seasons

In hindsight they should’ve taken that if true but that’s a big risk thinking a top 5 player gonna be suspended for 1/3 of the season
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No hindsight, Masai got GREEDY and it bit him in the ass. He wanted 3 firsts AND players.

And who fault is it that Ja got suspended ? That’s why first rounders are so valuable because you never know who gonna fall off .


Nets did the same dumb sh1t with Bridges last year .. lowkey even worse
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they not seeing 4 firsts in any Bridges trade now 💀💀💀
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Lurker
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 dakid4b said
i think ihart is gone, he playing to well someone gonna offer him a large contract
Ihart staying bro .
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Lurker
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I told y’all he was the most skilled center on the team last year
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Rockstar718
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 mt fuji said
Honestly, that's kind of where I'm at.
Let the front office do their job.
Listen, Rose and World Wide Wes aren't perfect, but for the most part they seem to either clean up their mistake, and or put the player in a position to showcase themselves.
RJ got paid, They recognized it was a bad deal and got from up under it.
Remember, this regime did not draft RJ.
IQ will be missed. I think he has all nba potential. Fact is, we couldn't keep him and everyone else. Yes, it will come back to bite us but it's either trade him or lose him for nothing.
I can't wait to see what he does for a full season at 30-35 minutes per a game.
Then again, maybe I'm overrating our guy.
I was one of those Obi guys who felt trading him was a mistake.
I appreciate the FO putting our draft picks in good positions. It just looks good on the franchise, and would help us with picking up free agents.

I'm glad IQ is going to get paid, he was never going to live up to whatever his potential was in this offense and off the bench. I really think Washington should trade Poole for some parts and they sign IQ to a big contract in free agency.

As for the knicks, we're not at a championship level yet, even with the trade, but we've maintained our ability to make moves to potentially get there. No Mitch really hurts though, seeing both Mitch and OG together would have been nice now idk if they'll ever play together.

At this point the next upgrade we need may just be a coach but that's a whole other conversation.
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dogmanx23
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I don't know about any of you but I'm all for Murray over Mitchell this season.. I doubt Cleveland moves Mitchell until the off-season. Only way it happens now is if they collapse and I honestly don't see the fit next to Brunson.

Fournier/Grimes + 3 1st rd picks I'm good with the Knicks offering that. They'll still have 5 1sts and 4 swaps to trade after that.

Doubt BK would deal Bridges.

I'm still a fan of Jerami Grant.
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