Oct 18 - THUG CULTURE IS A CANCER DESTROYING BLACK AMERICA

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 10-18-2007, 08:00 PM         #1
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Oct 18 - THUG CULTURE IS A CANCER DESTROYING BLACK AMERICA
 

 
We know where yo' family live

Trust me you don't want me up in yo' crib

Wit' a ski mask on duct taping your kids

You can pray all you want

But I don't forgive

# from "Hurt," by T.I., featuring Alfamega and Busta Rhymes

Clifford Harris Jr. would have been celebrated last Saturday night at the BET Hip-Hop Awards, had he made it to the ceremony. Instead, he was in police custody, charged with illegal possession of firearms.

The young rapper could have stood before a cheering audience in downtown Atlanta and accepted his award for Best CD of the Year, had he steered clear of machine guns and silencers. Instead, he was handcuffed, fingerprinted, photographed, incarcerated.

Harris -- whose stage name is T.I. -- should be riding the wave of his incredible success, enjoying freedom, fame and fortune. Instead, he's looking at the prospect of several years in prison. He was arrested Saturday afternoon after he was allegedly caught trying to take possession of the weapons from his bodyguard, who was apparently cooperating with authorities. Already a convicted crack dealer, Harris faces a potentially lengthy sentence.

Somewhere along the way, a cadre of young black men and women began glorifying violence, misogyny and thuggery, accepting incarceration as inevitable, resigning themselves to lives on the margins of mainstream society. They created a thug culture that has been commodified -->

But the violence isn't just playacting; it's not just teenagers trying on a rebellious facade. Young adults -- many of them men, most of them black -- get arrested. They go to prison. They die on the streets.

There is now a cottage industry dedicated to defending rap music, a group of enablers who glorify hard-core rap as a legitimate art form reflecting the bitter real-life experiences of ghetto inhabitants. But I have no patience for the academic exegeses. This so-called music and the lifestyle it glorifies is a malignancy destroying black America. What does it take for mothers and fathers, ministers and teachers, music executives and TV moguls to turn it off?

Plus I got a hundred goons wit me

Dressed in black

Fifty at the front door, fifty at the back

Half got 'Ks (AK-47s), half got macs (Mac 10s)

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# from "Hurt"

Last year, T.I. attended the funeral of Philant Johnson, 26, his best friend and personal a.ssistant, who was shot dead in a gun battle among moving cars on I-75 near Cincinnati. Police said the gunfire followed an argument involving unidentified locals and T.I.'s entourage at a Cincinnati nightclub. If Harris had regrets about Johnson's death, they apparently didn't manifest as pacifism. He kept a small arsenal at his Atlanta home, according to police.

The criminal justice system -- notorious for grinding black men down -- gave the young rapper T.I. a second chance after he was convicted for selling cocaine. Not only has he launched a highly successful music career, but he has also won notice as an actor. He has a role in the new movie "American Gangster," starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe.

But given that second chance, what did Harris do? If he had machine guns, as police say, at whom did he intend to point them?

Homicide is the leading cause of death among black men between the ages of 15 and 30. And it is a fratricidal enterprise. Young black men are k!lled by other young black men.

If white entertainers were making millions singing about the slaughter of black men and mistreatment of black women, city streets would clog with protesters. Demonstrators would pack the halls of Congress. Commerce would grind to a halt as black activists demanded boycotts. But somehow, the violence and misogyny of T.I., 50 Cent and Nelly are less inflammatory.

Yes, a lot of their music is purchased by white consumers, as a lot of it is marketed by white executives. But blaming The Man seems shallow and irresponsible when black Americans are abetting their own destruction.



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103 comments for "Oct 18 - THUG CULTURE IS A CANCER DESTROYING BLACK AMERICA"

 10 years ago '04        #2
MegaTON 22 heat pts22
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i have no choice but to believe its true
when i was younger kids seemed ignorant cuz they werent taught but now its like people try to talk wit a ATL accent and do whatever will make them look hard and if ur black and u do anything "NOT BLACK" ur white
 10-18-2007, 08:13 PM         #3
12ampage  OP
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Good read, but this is really nothing new. Just a new face in an old sh*tty cycle.
 10-18-2007, 08:17 PM         #4
djstashman  OP
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the same question

the same answers

no conclusion
 10 years ago '06        #5
Sammyboi22 
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it can only be changed with actions. Have young kids not hanging around on the streets at 3 am. Not sh*t happens then but murders, a.ssaults, r*pes and drug dealing. have them realize that if they keep doing this the stereotypes and racism will thrive. if all young black males stopped committing crimes in the volume that they are then there wouldnt be a reason for racial profiling. Seems harsh but true.
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stogz 18 heat pts18
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Thug culture isn't ruining anything...



The american gov't is ruining EARTH (including america). It's funny how many things (reports/stories) are coming out deflecting everything onto black people.


No WMDs
Unjust War
Killing of Iraqi civilians
hundreds of billions spent on events OUTSIDE the country
fraudulent case for war with Iran being pursued
Economy is tanking
Looming North American Union
New Orleans still isn't rebuilt
America ranks last amongst industrialized countries in providing healthcare & education
Black people not allowed to vote
Jena 6


yet when i turn on the news... the "important" top stories are....


Hip-hop is bad
So-and-so rapper has a gun
"Thug Culture" ruining america
Rap music causes school shootings
Rap music makes black athletes crazy


Wake the f**k up people!!!!
 10-18-2007, 08:48 PM         #7
Shapeupizsharp  OP
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 stogz said:
Thug culture isn't ruining anything...



The american gov't is ruining EARTH (including america). It's funny how many things (reports/stories) are coming out deflecting everything onto black people.


No WMDs
Unjust War
Killing of Iraqi civilians
hundreds of billions spent on events OUTSIDE the country
fraudulent case for war with Iran being pursued
Economy is tanking
Looming North American Union
New Orleans still isn't rebuilt
America ranks last amongst industrialized countries in providing healthcare & education
Black people not allowed to vote
Jena 6


yet when i turn on the news... the "important" top stories are....


Hip-hop is bad
So-and-so rapper has a gun
"Thug Culture" ruining america
Rap music causes school shootings
Rap music makes black athletes crazy


Wake the f**k up people!!!!

UR A fu*kIN RETARTD...THIS IS EXACTLY Y EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME!!! INSTEAD OF COMMING TO THE REALIZATION THAT NOT JUST RAP MUSIC IS RUINING THE CULTURE BUT BLACK PPL IN GENERAL ARE RUINING THEMSELVES.....GOVT THIS GOVT THAT, THE GOVT AINT IN THE HOOD HUSLTIN k!llIN EACH OTHER...ITS NOT HARD TO GET A JOB N STAY IN SCHOOL N GET N EDUCATION! IM FROM PHILLY N THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM OUT HERE N THATS Y WE THE MURDA CAPITAL. EVEYONE WANTS TO BE A "THUG" N A "GANGSTER" N LIVE LIKE THESE RAPSTARS, NOT REALIZING THAT THESE RAPPERS ARENT REAL THEY R PLAYIN A ROLL TO MAKE MONEY


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 10-18-2007, 08:49 PM         #8
CenterField  OP
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this aint news this is an opinion from a..... bi*ch/HOE

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 stogz said:
Thug culture isn't ruining anything...



The american gov't is ruining EARTH (including america). It's funny how many things (reports/stories) are coming out deflecting everything onto black people.


No WMDs
Unjust War
Killing of Iraqi civilians
hundreds of billions spent on events OUTSIDE the country
fraudulent case for war with Iran being pursued
Economy is tanking
Looming North American Union
New Orleans still isn't rebuilt
America ranks last amongst industrialized countries in providing healthcare & education
Black people not allowed to vote
Jena 6


yet when i turn on the news... the "important" top stories are....


Hip-hop is bad
So-and-so rapper has a gun
"Thug Culture" ruining america
Rap music causes school shootings
Rap music makes black athletes crazy


Wake the f**k up people!!!!
there u have it folks black people are perfect
-before u try flamin me i am black
 10 years ago '05        #10
xOuttAconTrolx 
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i understand that basically "thug music" reflects wutz going on everyday in the hood, but wut i dont understand is that most of these successful black men and women do minimal after they "made it" to correct those situation from which they rose up. They can't do it all of course not but aleast somethin =/
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 Shapeupizsharp said:
UR A fu*kIN RETARTD...THIS IS EXACTLY Y EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME!!! INSTEAD OF COMMING TO THE REALIZATION THAT NOT JUST RAP MUSIC IS RUINING THE CULTURE BUT BLACK PPL IN GENERAL ARE RUINING THEMSELVES.....GOVT THIS GOVT THAT, THE GOVT AINT IN THE HOOD HUSLTIN k!llIN EACH OTHER...ITS NOT HARD TO GET A JOB N STAY IN SCHOOL N GET N EDUCATION! IM FROM PHILLY N THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM OUT HERE N THATS Y WE THE MURDA CAPITAL. EVEYONE WANTS TO BE A "THUG" N A "GANGSTER" N LIVE LIKE THESE RAPSTARS, NOT REALIZING THAT THESE RAPPERS ARENT REAL THEY R PLAYIN A ROLL TO MAKE MONEY
Wow... you typed in capitals... therefore, your point must be valid



Rap music isn't some seperate entity. It's a scapegoat. I'm gonna let you know something Einstien.... "Rap music" is made by people!!!

Guns don't do sh*t to anyone, until a person is in control of it.


Since you are oh so knowledgable on the government.... why is it that black schools in black neighbourhoods suck a.ss but white schools are much better? How willing are you to go to school in a place where the books are from 10+ years ago... the teachers are undertrained... and the facilities are in ruins?

If black kids had a school like white kids... i guarantee you they go to school everyday. Just check every black kid that lives in a white suburban neighbourhood.

It's not about "Black people".... wake up, the media would have you believe ALL black people are like this. It's about poor black people. The black people with no decent schools...


ITS NOT HARD TO GET A JOB N STAY IN SCHOOL N GET N EDUCATION!

This comment is so f**king stupid on soooo many levels.

1) You don't get a job AND stay in school. You go to school to get a job.
2) If your school doesn't prepare you for college, what kind of job you gonna get?
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stogz 18 heat pts18
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 xOuttAconTrolx said:
i understand that basically "thug music" reflects wutz going on everyday in the hood, but wut i dont understand is that most of these successful black men and women do minimal after they "made it" to correct those situation from which they rose up. They can't do it all of course not but aleast somethin =/

Who are these succesful people? You met them? You got a list? You know exactly what it is they do and don't do?

You think generalizing gives you a strong point?
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MegaTON 22 heat pts22
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you are one of the most ignorant people here^
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 MegaTON said:
you are one of the most ignorant people here^

You an idiot...

This doesn't even have to be about black and white.



2 planes rammed into the WTC. The Money capital of the world.... 6 YEARS AGO. Are the towers rebuilt? Are those jobs recreated? Did they start reconstruction yet?

No, let's pay trillions on a war.


New Orleans got wiped of the map.... is it rebuilt yet? Nope... instead,

Let's go on a spending spree for a war.


Stats show americans have inadequate healthcare and education.... should we upgrade those two areas?


Nope, let's put that money into a war. Or better yet.... let's arrest T.I., come out with a study saying Whites are more intelligent than Blacks, and talk about how "Thug culture" is destroying us.


It's funny how every major city in america has a "hip-hop policing dept" yet.... DEA is failing (Drugs everywhere), ATF is failing (lethal tobacco is legal, alcohol sold at 7-eleven, kids secure guns daily), CIA is failing... gov't spends more money on destroying and then rebuilding Iraq than on America....


but then again, I'm ignorant and none of that is true.
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MegaTON 22 heat pts22
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you'll never get the point
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And who worked in the twin towers????? Anyone anyone? Not the hood a.ss gangsters from NYC. Retard.
 10-18-2007, 09:47 PM         #17
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stogz....come on man, you cant blame the government for kids dropping out of school and selling drugs etc. If they really wanted to learn and be successful, they would go to school every day, go to community college, get a decent degree and a decent job. Hell, they would at least get a job somewhere simple like say the DOT or something.

Kids get caught up in wanting to be "gangsta" and think its cool and so they sell drugs and dont work hard in school....

i aint saying all schools are equal, cause they arent, but 1st off books from 10 years ago are basically just as good as ones today. Alegbra hasnt changed, not much history has (everyone knows about 9/11), the only legitimate argument is technology. 2nd, i dont know where you go to school, but in the U.S. to be a teacher you must have a college degree...so fu*k that inadaquate sh*t.


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 Steveo54 said:
stogz....come on man, you cant blame the government for kids dropping out of school and selling drugs etc. If they really wanted to learn and be successful, they would go to school every day, go to community college, get a decent degree and a decent job. Hell, they would at least get a job somewhere simple like say the DOT or something.

Kids get caught up in wanting to be "gangsta" and think its cool and so they sell drugs and dont work hard in school....

i aint saying all schools are equal, cause they arent, but 1st off books from 10 years ago are basically just as good as ones today. Alegbra hasnt changed, not much history has (everyone knows about 9/11), the only legitimate argument is technology. 2nd, i dont know where you go to school, but in the U.S. to be a teacher you must have a college degree...so fu*k that inadaquate sh*t.
My cousin teaches at a school in NYC.... I think he said its the biggest school and the most violent in BK.

He says the system is broken and that this highschool doesn't prepare kids for college. Studies also show that most schools in such neighbourhoods don't prepare kids for college.

So, how you gonna go to school everyday, to go to community college, to get a degree, to get a decent job... when that school doesn't give you the basic skills to even get into college?


AS for your Alegebre remark.... last I checked, America was ranked 14th in the world for Mathematics. Maybe if schools took math more serious (i.e. new books that aren't missing binding and pages), students would too.
 10-18-2007, 09:54 PM         #19
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Thug culture is a cancer destroying black america? DUH...
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It's funny how y'all sit up here and believe any report. These reports are skewd and some just flat out lie. How many black ghettos are in america... vs. white ghettos. Why are there more reports about violence among blacks vs. among whites. Last i checked, Black people represent a very small percentage of the american population.


This "thugged out" culture in American rap music is EVERYWHERE!!! It's in France, Canada, Sweden, Austrailia, Africa... yet, why is it that the only black people it's destroying is americans?


Fact of the matter is, there are many, many black suburban kids who listen to the same music... they don't try to be gangster. Y'all talk in the most general of terms... "all these kids try to be thugs"... really? They all do? Or the ones the news tells you about?


Hip-hop is not the cause of all problems in black youth. Let me guess... the abscence of black fathers is due to "thug culture" as well... You really think it's that simple?
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