Justin Timberlake more talented Usher??

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 09-08-2007, 05:01 PM         #61
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 Playboysoldier said:
I thought the question was rhetorical.

Anyway You can't really determine writing order because theres different methods of how it's listed. it can be from last name alphabetical order or for some writing order. Besides it was another poster who said something about order not me. so i don't know how you can determine who is 3rd or 2nd or 1st writer do to the order it is in. Also may i mention for the 3 ascap awards his songs have won, all 3 of the awards went to jermaine dupri. so i stand by my words. Usher doesn't write his own music. He's the male version of Britney.
Fair enough with regards to the song order, but if you feel Usher doesn't write his own music, then you have to state the same for Timberlake. Timberlake did not write all of his music on his own, there were at least 2 other writers on each song for both of his solo albums, sometimes more. Usher has been involved in the writing process for nearly every single one of his hits since My Way.

You are only basing your opinion on what Timbaland said about Justin in interviews and the HBO special with regards to his writing/coming up with concepts. I have searched and searched for these interviews where he has said that Timberlake did the bulk of the writing and I cannot find them. I've read interviews with Pharrell and he complimented Timberlake only on his voice. But here's the deal: the fact that you need to hear it from the likes of JD/Jam&Lewis/Andre Harris that Usher co-writes his songs is silly


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 09-09-2007, 12:16 AM         #62
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and Like I said. Timberlake is a songwriter and creative talent behind his work. he has people who will vouch for him. Usher is just a performer nothing more nothing less. He relies on others to do his work for him. In interviews, Justin himself talks about his writing skills and how he came up with concepts for songs and thats good enough for me. Usher has done none of that because he knows he's created nothing. You can defend the man and be stubborn all you like. it's still a lost cause.
 09-09-2007, 12:42 PM         #63
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 Playboysoldier said:
usher didn't write confessions. look at the song-writing credits. it took 5 people to write each song. he co-executive produced it which means he probably came up with the concept of the album.

USHER DOES NOT WRITE HIS OWN MUSIC.
dude here is as cap a real website that isn't going to lie for anyone and here is a list of songs that usher has written.

1 . A MILLION MILES
(Title Code: 312545010)
2 . AGAINST THE WORLD
(Title Code: 311700059)
3 . ALL OF MY
(Title Code: 312057119)
4 . BAD GIRL
(Title Code: 321196372)
5 . BAD GIRL
(Title Code: 321252131)
6 . BE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE
(Title Code: 321669772)
7 . BURN
(Title Code: 321137391)
8 . BURN
(Title Code: 321170416)
9 . BURN-THE ANSWER
(Title Code: 321469774)
10 . CAN U HANDLE IT?
(Title Code: 331434596)
11 . CAN U HELP ME
(Title Code: 330801164)
12 . CHANGE OF HEART
(Title Code: 331294514)
13 . COME BACK
(Title Code: 330645968)
14 . COME OVER
(Title Code: 331344497)
15 . CONFESSIONS PART II
(Title Code: 331388655)
16 . CONFESSIONS PART II
(Title Code: 331443853)
17 . CONFESSIONS PART II REMIX
(Title Code: 331552931)
18 . DO IT TO ME
(Title Code: 341049476)
19 . DO IT TO ME
(Title Code: 341070531)
20 . DOIN THE MOST
(Title Code: 341144970)
21 . DOT COM
(Title Code: 341015878)
22 . GET ACQUAINTED
(Title Code: 371012350)
23 . GET AQUIANTED
(Title Code: 370999976)
24 . GET RIGHT
(Title Code: 370879515)
25 . GET RIGHT (FEATURING FABOLOUS)
(Title Code: 370863817)
26 . GOOD OL GHETTO
(Title Code: 370399767)
27 . GOTTA LET IT BE
(Title Code: 370999994)
28 . HELP ME
(Title Code: 380653561)
29 . HOW DO I SAY
(Title Code: 380530505)
30 . I CAN T LET GO
(Title Code: 390724840)
31 . I CAN'T HELP IT
(Title Code: 391863591)
32 . I CAN'T HELP IT
(Title Code: 392284750)
33 . I SWEAR I'M IN LOVE
(Title Code: 390577312)
34 . IF I WANT TO
(Title Code: 390717205)
35 . INTRO
(Title Code: 390896343)
36 . INTRO-LUDE 8701
(Title Code: 390736337)
37 . IT IS WHAT IT IS
(Title Code: 391431057)
38 . JUST BE
(Title Code: 400805796)
39 . LAST TO KNOW
(Title Code: 421464179)
40 . LOVERS AND FRIENDS
(Title Code: 420824460)
41 . MOESHA CUES
(Title Code: 438129661)
42 . MY BOO
(Title Code: 431389134)
43 . MY WAY
(Title Code: 430540168)
44 . NICE AND SLOW
(Title Code: 440247663)
45 . ONE DAY YOU LL BE MINE
(Title Code: 450261806)
46 . POP YA COLLAR
(Title Code: 460486644)
47 . SEDUCTION
(Title Code: 492261737)
48 . SEDUCTION
(Title Code: 492363672)
49 . SHADOWS
(Title Code: 494706977)
50 . SIMPLE THINGS
(Title Code: 492261095)
51 . SIMPLE THINGS
(Title Code: 492363654)
52 . SUPERSTAR
(Title Code: 491974755)
53 . SUPERSTAR (INTERLUDE)
(Title Code: 492448090)
54 . SWEAT
(Title Code: 493094014)
55 . TAKE ME AWAY
(Title Code: 502609252)
56 . TAKE YOUR HAND
(Title Code: 501663374)
57 . THAT'S WHAT IT'S MADE FOR
(Title Code: 501753357)
58 . THAT'S WHAT IT'S MADE FOR
(Title Code: 501846195)
59 . THINK OF YOU
(Title Code: 500515295)
60 . TRUTH HURTS
(Title Code: 501753375)
61 . TRUTH HURTS
(Title Code: 501846177)
62 . TWORK IT OUT
(Title Code: 500768101)
63 . U R THE ONE
(Title Code: 510146255)
64 . U TURN
(Title Code: 510134580)
65 . WHATEVER I WANT
(Title Code: 531193370)
66 . WHY
(Title Code: 530995452)
67 . WITHOUT U (INTERLUDE)
(Title Code: 530551136)
68 . YOU GOT IT BAD
(Title Code: 550217344)
69 . YOU MAKE ME WANNA
(Title Code: 550182686)
70 . YOU TOOK MY HEART
(Title Code: 550187083)



and on that same site justin has written only 19 more songs than usher so its not that big of a disparity as you want it to be.

fact is usher is a better entertainer ,singer and didn't need a group to do it only thing justin do is play more instruments and write more of his songs.

but usher does write or is ascap .com lying on usher.
 10 years ago '07        #64
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looks like the JT supporters are really pushing for his song writing since Usher got the singing and dancing bases covered.
 09-09-2007, 06:46 PM         #65
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 Playboysoldier said:
and Like I said. Timberlake is a songwriter and creative talent behind his work. he has people who will vouch for him. Usher is just a performer nothing more nothing less. He relies on others to do his work for him. In interviews, Justin himself talks about his writing skills and how he came up with concepts for songs and thats good enough for me. Usher has done none of that because he knows he's created nothing. You can defend the man and be stubborn all you like. it's still a lost cause.
Whatever dude, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.
 10 years ago '06        #66
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this song makes up for make it rain if yall didn hear it


^doing it the most
 10 years ago '04        #67
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Justin plays instruments, Usher doesn't. Although I like both, I really love Justin.
 10 years ago '07        #68
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 Playboysoldier said:
yes i agree. usher is successful or whatever. he hires the right people to make him who he is (just like britney) to make up for his lack of talent. I loved Fs/Ls it's ok if you didn't but I loved it. Hell the critics even gave the album better reviews than confessions. for the record i never even liked confessions except for 1 song (burn) and i never bought the album nor do i have it downloaded on my pc. but i digress, although justin sold less than confessions his concert is doing way better than usher's truth tour did. It's evident reason why his album did good is beacuse he took his shirt off in every live performance which made all the lil girls go crazy.

and I believe Justin would've still made good music with or without tim/danja. they just made the music sound better. The songs he wrote for N'sync were probably my favorite music from any boyband (especially Gone). Justin would've still made good music regardless. He has an ear for good sound. Usher would've been a flop just like his very first album had JD not come along to Produce and Write My way. If it wasnt for JD, usher would've been NOTHING. He would've remaind a mediocre artist. So you can stick up for the dude all you want but it's clear as day he's a product just like britney spears.


Usher hires the right people to make him who he is? Justin got Timbo to do his album. The problem with R&B today is that the beats overshadow the voice. Prime example of this is Justin and Timbo's great production. Old school R&B was about the soulful voices singing OVER the beat. Usher's voice is SUPERIOR to Justin's. AND how can you compare Usher to Britney. Britney is a product. Her vocal range can't even be considered a range. Usher has a greater vocal range than Britney AND Justin. Usher's lack of talent? Last time I checked, singing and dancing are talents, both of which Usher is superior to Justin in. Justin's dancing can't even compete with Omarion or Ginuwine, LET ALONE USHER. check ur self, before u wreck urself. that line k!lls me every time....
 09-20-2007, 09:02 PM         #69
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 infrared AJ6 said:


Usher hires the right people to make him who he is? Justin got Timbo to do his album. The problem with R&B today is that the beats overshadow the voice. Prime example of this is Justin and Timbo's great production. Old school R&B was about the soulful voices singing OVER the beat. Usher's voice is SUPERIOR to Justin's. AND how can you compare Usher to Britney. Britney is a product. Her vocal range can't even be considered a range. Usher has a greater vocal range than Britney AND Justin. Usher's lack of talent? Last time I checked, singing and dancing are talents, both of which Usher is superior to Justin in. Justin's dancing can't even compete with Omarion or Ginuwine, LET ALONE USHER. check ur self, before u wreck urself. that line k!lls me every time....
COSIGN
 10 years ago '05        #70
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Good debates on here...gotta go wit jt though
 10 years ago '05        #71
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 nicoled985 said:
Justin plays instruments, Usher doesn't. Although I like both, I really love Justin.
great point. I was reading over the thread to see if anyone mentioned this. Even though JT got his start in a boy band he seems to be pretty advanced musically. In his concert he was playing guitar and keyboards in addition to singing and dancing.

Although I agree that Usher has a better voice, I think Justin makes better songs. I think arguing the song writing and production aspects are irrelevant. The bottom line is who comes out with better tracks since both of them enlist top quality producers and neither are solely writing songs. FS/LS was miles better than Confessions, which I thought was a step back from 8701.
 10 years ago '06        #72
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 smacked said:
JT is the white Usher
JT prolly got his production skills from being best pals with Timba

Both are best at what they do, cant say who's the best outta the two
well said..
 09-30-2007, 02:26 PM         #73
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 infrared AJ6 said:


Usher hires the right people to make him who he is? Justin got Timbo to do his album. The problem with R&B today is that the beats overshadow the voice. Prime example of this is Justin and Timbo's great production. Old school R&B was about the soulful voices singing OVER the beat. Usher's voice is SUPERIOR to Justin's. AND how can you compare Usher to Britney. Britney is a product. Her vocal range can't even be considered a range. Usher has a greater vocal range than Britney AND Justin. Usher's lack of talent? Last time I checked, singing and dancing are talents, both of which Usher is superior to Justin in. Justin's dancing can't even compete with Omarion or Ginuwine, LET ALONE USHER. check ur self, before u wreck urself. that line k!lls me every time....

for the 300th time. Justin co-produced and exec produced his album. he didn't just hire danja and timbo for beats...HE worked with them. It's miles different how JD writes and produces all of usher's songs because usher isn't creative. usher doesn't do sh*t and I agree justin isnt the best singer but neither is usher. usher sounds nasally as fu*k. and again...JUSTIN WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC.

and if Justin isn't such a talented performer then why does he have the best selling tour of this year behind rolling stones and already grossed near $60mill. Usher's truth tour flopped and was boring as sh*t and god mediocre reviews. I saw it on Showtime live from puerto rico and I was not impressed.

Justin > Usher


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 10 years ago '07        #74
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 Playboysoldier said:
for the 300th time. Justin co-produced and exec produced his album. he didn't just hire danja and timbo for beats...HE worked with them. It's miles different how JD writes and produces all of usher's songs because usher isn't creative. usher doesn't do sh*t and I agree justin isnt the best singer but neither is usher. usher sounds nasally as fu*k. and again...JUSTIN WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC.

and if Justin isn't such a talented performer then why does he have the best selling tour of this year behind rolling stones and already grossed near $60mill. Usher's truth tour flopped and was boring as sh*t and god mediocre reviews. I saw it on Showtime live from puerto rico and I was not impressed.

Justin > Usher
1. I never said Usher was the male Whitney Houston. I said his voice was SUPERIOR to JT's.

2. The numbers don't equate who's a better performer (which Usher is, btw ). I'm sure the Spice Girls had the best selling tour back in their day. That's that make them better, more talented performers than everyone else that was out at that time? .......That's what I thought.
 10-08-2007, 12:36 AM         #75
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 infrared AJ6 said:
1. I never said Usher was the male Whitney Houston. I said his voice was SUPERIOR to JT's.

2. The numbers don't equate who's a better performer (which Usher is, btw ). I'm sure the Spice Girls had the best selling tour back in their day. That's that make them better, more talented performers than everyone else that was out at that time? .......That's what I thought.
well I dont give 2 sh*ts want you think. I still believe Usher is a.ss. Are you gonna continue to try and change my opinion because it's not working. :rolleyes:
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 Playboysoldier said:
well I dont give 2 sh*ts want you think. I still believe Usher is a.ss. Are you gonna continue to try and change my opinion because it's not working. :rolleyes:
We're just having a debate, don't catch feelings now.
 10-08-2007, 05:14 PM         #77
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 infrared AJ6 said:
We're just having a debate, don't catch feelings now.
oh yea. steam is just blowing out of my ears as we speak.

you're trying too hard.
 10 years ago '07        #78
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 Playboysoldier said:
oh yea. steam is just blowing out of my ears as we speak.

you're trying too hard.
don't sweat me.

in my opinion: Usher >>>> JT

*it's sad when you HAVE to type "in my opinion" when obviously anything someone says on a message board is their opinion. people are so sensitive. i apologize to JT's boyfriend for making him swole.
 10-09-2007, 03:33 PM         #79
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 infrared AJ6 said:
don't sweat me.

in my opinion: Usher >>>> JT

*it's sad when you HAVE to type "in my opinion" when obviously anything someone says on a message board is their opinion. people are so sensitive. i apologize to JT's boyfriend for making him swole.
ok so you like usher as an artist (any maybe s3xual interest) and I like jt as an artist. so whats there to debate about?

still throwing more caddy insults at me to defend your man. . feels like high school all over again. But what a way to defend to your. How nice it is to see that usher has such a devoted gay fan base. :rolleyes:
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 Playboysoldier said:
ok so you like usher as an artist (any maybe s3xual interest) and I like jt as an artist. so whats there to debate about?

still throwing more caddy insults at me to defend your man. . feels like high school all over again. But what a way to defend to your. How nice it is to see that usher has such a devoted gay fan base. :rolleyes:
high school ish huh? thats why you're talking about homos3xuality? real mature. hypocrite-ass, when in the other thread about usher, you're talking about being butthurt over usher getting married. i think it's you thats mad at usher for not giving you a shot queer. haha OWNED. you sonned yourself doggy.
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