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 10 years ago '05        #141
Hold That 103 heat pts103
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Like I said, if MJ was dumb enough to take as many shots as Kobe from the 3, then his 3point numbers would looks similiar.

The funny thing is Kobe's best percentage is fu*kin 40% from the 3, which is a fu*kin joke considering how many he takes.

This arguement is not even worthy of discussion. Kobe has alot of work to do.


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 10 years ago '05        #142
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 Andre3000 said:
na but 9 threes tho wtf was that n*gga scared or something????
Rookie year.

thats when your just finding yourself, seeing what you can get away with in the league.

If you know your 3 point game is not where it should be, and you can get whatever you want in the paint, why shoot the 3?

Jordan knew this, yet he worked on his three point game in the offseason and became better..

This is what champions do. They do not FORCE the issue, they play within their means, which is what is suppose to be the best for the team. MJ got better with his three and added it to his arsenal. He never got greedy with it, and always realised his bread and butter was in the paint.

Yet the only arguement people have with kobe is, "he's a better 3 point shooter" Which is bullsh*t he only takes more attempts.

"He plays against bigger players" Like I said before, if you put MJ Wilt, or whoever from the past in this era to start out with the same training thats offer now, they would be even better than what they were.. This is why you dont compair era's you only go by how they dominate their eras.

Until then Kobe needs alot more accolaids to even be mentioned with MJ. From a natural talent standpoint yes he can be the best.

But as far as calling him better right now?

How the fu*k can you say you know basketball, after making a statement like that.


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 10 years ago '04        #143
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 Hold That said:
Show me, the proof I need to see a boxscore because you can not be trusted in posting stats seeing that you like to post Free Throw Line percentages. LOL
research it yourself. I gave you the dates.
 08-14-2007, 12:36 AM         #144
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 10 years ago '04        #145
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 Caron Butler said:
u got a point

come to think of it... Michael never was a master at the outside shot...

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U MEAN KOBE CANT TOUCH JORDAN

GET IT RIGHT
 08-14-2007, 12:44 AM         #146
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Back when he was younger, he was more of a dunker and a slasher; as he got older he went with his fade away jumper.
 08-14-2007, 12:52 AM         #147
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 Hold That said:
Rookie year.

thats when your just finding yourself, seeing what you can get away with in the league.

If you know your 3 point game is not where it should be, and you can get whatever you want in the paint, why shoot the 3?

Jordan knew this, yet he worked on his three point game in the offseason and became better..

This is what champions do. They do not FORCE the issue, they play within their means, which is what is suppose to be the best for the team. MJ got better with his three and added it to his arsenal. He never got greedy with it, and always realised his bread and butter was in the paint.

Yet the only arguement people have with kobe is, "he's a better 3 point shooter" Which is bullsh*t he only takes more attempts.

"He plays against bigger players" Like I said before, if you put MJ Wilt, or whoever from the past in this era to start out with the same training thats offer now, they would be even better than what they were.. This is why you dont compair era's you only go by how they dominate their eras.

Until then Kobe needs alot more accolaids to even be mentioned with MJ. From a natural talent standpoint yes he can be the best.

But as far as calling him better right now?

How the fu*k can you say you know basketball, after making a statement like that.
I didn't call him better now but its a whole lot closer than ur making it seem. Kobe doesn't have that Toni Kukoc waiting open from the 3 point line to help him. Every single team Jordan has work with have been better than what Kobe is working with now. when Kobe is double teamed he can pass it to smush parker, Jordan Farmar, and Lamar Odom???? And Jordans three point numbers were just as bad for the 1st couple of years he played he didn't just automatically get better after 1 season.
 08-14-2007, 12:57 AM         #148
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Jordan made a total of 32 3s in 4 seasons and he played and started all 82 games in 3/4 of those years....
 10 years ago '05        #149
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When the fu*k did 3 point shooting become the measuring stick to greatness?

Did I miss the memo? Someone fill me in?

How many Defensive MVP's Kobe Got?

How Many times he lead the league in stealing?

Has he ever had the most blocked shots in the league by a gaurd?

How many NBA MVP's he got?

How many NBA FINALS MVP's He got?

How many times he has shot over 50%?

I don't give a fu*k if it's because he shoots alot of 3's, if your going to shoot alot of 3's atleast be in the top 10 in 3point %. What the fu*k?

Shooting 34% from three considering how many he takes is not the sign of greatness. IM SORRY IT'S NOT!


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 10 years ago '04        #150
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 Andre3000 said:
na but 9 threes tho wtf was that n*gga scared or something????

how about...shot selection? something kobe has never heard of lol

i see why basketball sucks now, because stern is trying to appeal to know basketball knowledge having f*g**ts, this is what you get when you let fu*kin retards weight in on real basketball convo

for the millionth time, the ammount of 3's jordan took is not the results of fear, or even the lack of ability to make the shot, it's about what would be the best for team play...you arent going to beat the detriot pistons of the 90's with their starting 5, all defensive powerhouses with NO kinda foul trouble, jordan took players out of the game, opened up the lane and when the d collapsed THEN he had peeps to kick it out to, that is the kind of sh*t that makes him one of the greatest champions ever

but you are more concerned with...who can shoot a longer fade away? is this what it's come to? who the fu*k cares when you're shooting fade aways and going 2/14 shooting in the 4th quarter in a playoff game...where does this invisable all so important, make kobe the greatest fade away 3 point range come in?

what is wrong with you people? if jordan took as many 3's as kobe i guarantee you'd he'd be shooting a higher percentage of them, and just because jordan didnt take high risk shots to make himself look good and jepordize the game doesnt make him less of a shooter, it makes him a smarter player you fu*king idiots, i guess he shoulda shot 40 3's his first year even tho he he needed to hit the weights something serious to even get the ball to shoot that far....wtf yo
 08-14-2007, 01:31 AM         #151
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 Skip>>>Ronnie said:
this will be his 4th year on his own in his PRIME and he still wont be able to get deep in the playoffs, how much time u guys gunna give him? 10 years?
Umm... MJ had a world class team every year when he went into the playoffs...b asically since pippen grant paxson all got together... he always had terrific teams
 08-14-2007, 01:36 AM         #152
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 Hold That said:
When the fu*k did 3 point shooting become the measuring stick to greatness?

Did I miss the memo? Someone fill me in?

How many Defensive MVP's Kobe Got?

How Many times he lead the league in stealing?

Has he ever had the most blocked shots in the league by a gaurd?

How many NBA MVP's he got?

How many NBA FINALS MVP's He got?

How many times he has shot over 50%?

I don't give a fu*k if it's because he shoots alot of 3's, if your going to shoot alot of 3's atleast be in the top 10 in 3point %. What the fu*k?

Shooting 34% from three considering how many he takes is not the sign of greatness. IM SORRY IT'S NOT!
Pippen as a defender>MJ the fact MJ got a DPOY and Scottie didn't showed me how much the NBA was a popularity contest. If Kobe didn't mess up of the court the individual stats probably would have been there the NBA loved Kobe and as soon as the case happened they just disowned him :smh and statistically if I were take away every 3 kobe hit last season hed be at 50 percent what a coincidence. :rolleyes:
 08-14-2007, 01:41 AM         #153
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 Andre3000 said:
Pippen as a defender>MJ the fact MJ got a DPOY and Scottie didn't showed me how much the NBA was a popularity contest. If Kobe didn't mess up of the court the individual stats probably would have been there the NBA loved Kobe and as soon as the case happened they just disowned him :smh and statistically if I were take away every 3 kobe hit last season hed be at 50 percent what a coincidence. :rolleyes:
thats all that needs to be said dre 3000 you won again this time by SLAUGHTER!:applause::applause::wow:
 08-14-2007, 01:44 AM         #154
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 sunzoo said:
how about...shot selection? something kobe has never heard of lol

i see why basketball sucks now, because stern is trying to appeal to know basketball knowledge having f*g**ts, this is what you get when you let fu*kin retards weight in on real basketball convo

for the millionth time, the ammount of 3's jordan took is not the results of fear, or even the lack of ability to make the shot, it's about what would be the best for team play...you arent going to beat the detriot pistons of the 90's with their starting 5, all defensive powerhouses with NO kinda foul trouble, jordan took players out of the game, opened up the lane and when the d collapsed THEN he had peeps to kick it out to, that is the kind of sh*t that makes him one of the greatest champions ever

but you are more concerned with...who can shoot a longer fade away? is this what it's come to? who the fu*k cares when you're shooting fade aways and going 2/14 shooting in the 4th quarter in a playoff game...where does this invisable all so important, make kobe the greatest fade away 3 point range come in?

what is wrong with you people? if jordan took as many 3's as kobe i guarantee you'd he'd be shooting a higher percentage of them, and just because jordan didnt take high risk shots to make himself look good and jepordize the game doesnt make him less of a shooter, it makes him a smarter player you fu*king idiots, i guess he shoulda shot 40 3's his first year even tho he he needed to hit the weights something serious to even get the ball to shoot that far....wtf yo
How is Stern trying to appeal to me??? I never told him to let Wade win in the Finals neither did I tell him to let refs get in betting scandals.

The point here for me is who does Kobe have to open the floor for him currently. Smush PArker, Luke Walton???? These n*ggas cant even hit open shots let alone learn how to play decent offense. Kobe has no fu*king choice dont u guys realize that?????
 08-14-2007, 01:45 AM         #155
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Someone charge andre 3000 with e-man slaughter
 10 years ago '05        #156
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 Andre3000 said:
Pippen as a defender>MJ the fact MJ got a DPOY and Scottie didn't showed me how much the NBA was a popularity contest. If Kobe didn't mess up of the court the individual stats probably would have been there the NBA loved Kobe and as soon as the case happened they just disowned him :smh and statistically if I were take away every 3 kobe hit last season hed be at 50 percent what a coincidence. :rolleyes:
Sorry but theres not a Bulls fan nor an NBA historian in the world who will tell you that Pippen was a better defender than MJ.

MJ is the All time leader for a perimeter player in Blocks. That includes Scottie Pippens position SF.

MJ is top 3 in steals all time.

MJ has lead the league in steals 4 times, more than Scottie.

MJ is a 9 time all Defensive First team.

MJ has a defensive Player of the year award.


Seriously do any Kobe fans, care to look up MJ's resume before they even start to speculate?

This was way to easy.

The sad thing is, people are constantly making excuses for Kobe. They can't even make a fair arguement for him, without an excuse about the NBA mistreating him, or he doesnt drive as much as MJ.

Well WHO's fault is that he doesnt drive as much? What does David Stern have to do with Kobe's stats? We are not talking about David Stern and Kobe's NBA Imagine we are talking about his stats.

Stop trying to sway the topic in order to make some point that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.


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 10 years ago '04        #157
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Kobe put himself in that situation in LA, why does he get a pass to cry about it now?
 08-14-2007, 08:17 AM         #158
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 Stop Showin Off said:
This is a serous question... I watched MJ starting from 87 season...

he was unstoppable when he was in the zone... no one could stop his slashing to hte basket and occasional fade away

but i ask you, how often did he get hot from the perimeter? how often was he getting his points from long range (three point line)? Not very often...

He got the bulk of his points when he was "hot" or "in the zone" from dunks, lay ups, under the rim bank shots, etc...

he rarely had one of those games when he was hitting from EVERYWHERE on the court
watched him since 87 huh?

and you gotta 2380 on your sat?

muthafu*ker you weren't even BORN in 87 seeing as they changed the scoring in 2006, making you a high schooler either now, or last year. :finger:
 10 years ago '04        #159
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too bad kobe never shot 500 in the season. Also being 33% 3 point shooter is something not to be proud of. Jordan knows when to shoot, pass, when to attack the paint. He knows how to use all of his skills set. Kobe actually has alot of skills but he dont know when to pass, and has one of the worst shot selection. And dont bring in that he has nobody now, because he didnt shot 500 when during his championship year and was still havin poor shot selection. sh*t his shot selection was the reason why detroit beat him in the finals.


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 10 years ago '04        #160
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 Hold That said:

MJ is top 3 in steals all time.

MJ has lead the league in steals 4 times, more than Scottie.

MJ is a 9 time all Defensive First team.

MJ has a defensive Player of the year award.
Pippen has more career blocks than Jordan.
MJ's defense was always overrated.
He never guarded the best player on the other team. Matter of fact, during his championship years, he always had great defenders on his team.
Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen.
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