The Definitive GHOSTWRITING Exposed/Research Thread (will keep updated)

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 11 years ago '05        #161
Wasted|M 26 heat pts26
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DAm alot of ghostwriters from the DEF FAM/ROC family.

Anyone got anything on 50 cent/gunit.


Someone pulls up GAMES Ghostwriters. HAHAHAH BET he its got CURRRRRRTIS all over it.
 11 years ago '04        #162
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I guess we all know what all them aftermath artists mean when they say 'ye i been in LA working ON the detox album with Dre'.....

Does this taint anyones anticipation on Detox now? Does anyone feel Dre gets too much credit in the rap AND production game?
 07-11-2007, 10:00 AM         #163
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 TRiL said:
I have no problem with an artist getting a.ssistance (change a word here or there, say it like this instead of that, etc.), but when a n*gga flat out write's your whole 16 bars I think that's corny. This is rap. A competitive sport with massive ego's. n*gga's claim to be the best ever n sh*t. You cannot and I repeat cannot let a n*gga put whole verses down for you. That sh*t is lame. This isn't R & B this is Rap n*ggas. I can see why puff or dre has them cus they're not actual rappers, but for these other dude's I think it's flat out corny. I thought this was a music genre based off SKILLS and actual TALENT.
basically.
but if cant believe that n*ggaz like snoop use ghostwriters for their stuff .i thought that he was ghostwritin for dre.so wtf?
man like you said if these guys use ghostwriters that much ,then i ll stop listening to rap.plain and simple.
because to me if you aint got talent , dont come into the game.
 11 years ago '04        #164
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well talent doesn't mean you can write a hit. everybody uses ghostwriters.. their homeboys give them a line here or there, borrow stuff from others.. it's not about talent, it's about creativity.. if your not creative your going to need help.... its no different in any music genre.. R&B artist pen songs for other singers or bands, same with country, etc.. if you have a good image, a ghost writer can give you talent. lol. sad fact.
 11 years ago '04        #165
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My point of this thread was not to make you cats even bigger haters...or disrespect any artist I named. Believe me, I'm a weird music collector can likes a big range of hip-hop music. I was trying to show you that ghost-writing has been/is being done in rap everyday, and it can be very interesting/intriguing....but to people in the industry - it's not a big shock, and/or negative...as it appears to fans.

I think Zhiggeman just hit the nail on the head. Many factors make up "Talent" in all music (preferably hip-hop). Ask any A&R, he'll tell you there's many things that make up the marketable 'package' of a good artist. Personality, Image, Voice, Performance style, Relatability, Mystique, Believablity, Lyricism, Creativity, Innovation/Uniqueness, and much more. Having different sets of these factors are what let us "fans" distinguish between 2 artists, and pick which one we like better. It makes a balance. But trust that - if one factor is lacking --- a label, manager, A&R, and artist - will put money into improving that factor. If someone is lyrically weak -- they can pay to improve lyricism with a ghostwriter (as long as it still pertains to the artist's personality).

Remember - a GREAT lyricist/writer can be a horrible rapper/performing artist...and vica versa - a GREAT rapper/performing artist can be a horrible lyricist. Think about it - which one is easier to fix!?


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 11 years ago '04        #166
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R Kelly (Robert Kelly)(Zomba Songs, Inc/R. Kelly Publishing, Inc)
Quincy Jones’ “Heaven’s Girl” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
David Peaston’s “String” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
David Peaston’s “Everybody Needs Somebody” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
David Peaston’s “I” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Changing Faces’ “Foolin’ Around” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Changing Faces’ “All Is Not Gone” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Changing Faces’ “Stroke you Up” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Mary J Blige’s “It’s On” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Hi-Five’s “Quality Time” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Hi-Five’s “Video Girl” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Michael Jackson’s “You Are Not Alone” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Isley Brothers’ “Can I Have A Kiss” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Toni Braxton’s “I Don’t Want To” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Intro” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Throw Your Hands Up” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Back & Forth” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Age Ain’t Nothing But A Number” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Down With The Clique” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Street Thing” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “I’m Down” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “I’m So Into You” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “No One Knows How To Love” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Young Nation” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Aaliyah’s “Old School” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Ex-girlfriend’s “You For Me” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
N-Phase’s “Spend The Night” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Billy Ocean’s “Rose” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Billy Ocean’s “Can We Have Another Go Round” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Leslie Sebastian
Billy Ocean’s “Everything’s So Different” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Leslie Sebastian
Changing Faces’ “GHETTOUT” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Hi-Five’s “A Little Bit Older Now” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Hi-Five’s “Let’s Get It Started” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Changing Faces’ “GHETTOUT 2” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Changing Faces’ “All Day, All Night” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Vanessa Williams’ “Start Again” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
The Winans’ “That Extra Mile” – Calvin/Marvin/BeBe/Mario Winans & R Kelly
Luther Vandross’ “When You Call On Me” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Isley Brothers’ “Let’s Lay Together” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Johnny Gill’s “Someone 2 Love” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Johnny Gill
Trin-I-Tee’s “God’s Grace” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Good Life” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Lean On Me” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “I’m Gone” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Turn Away” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Be Careful” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Nothing Can Compare” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Quiet Place” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Straight Up” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “No Greater” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Play On” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Sparkle’s “Plenty Good Lovin” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Sparkle
Sparkle’s “What About” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Sparkle
Isley Brothers’ “Mission To Please You” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Angela Winbush
Isley Brothers’ “Can I Have a Kiss” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Angela Winbush
Gerald Levert’s “Men Like Us” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Lady’s “No Way In” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Maxwell’s “Fortunate” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Mya’s “Why Should I Believe You” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Isley Brothers’ “Speechless” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
K-Ci & Jojo’s “Life” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Trisha Yearwood’s “Follow The Wind” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Trisha Yearwood
Kelly Price’s “It’s Gonna Rain” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Brian McKnight’s “Discovery” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Talent’s “Every Which Way” – co-wrote by Rodney Jerkins & R Kelly
Faith Evans’ “Mailman” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Blaque’s “808” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Natina Reed
Destiny’s Childs “Stimulate Me” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Allen Richards
MC Lyte’s “Two Seater” – co-wrote by MC Lyte & R Kelly
Trin-I-Tee’s “There He Is” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Kelly Price’s “At Lesat” - ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Syleena Johnson’s “I Am Your Woman” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Syleena Johnson’s “Summertime” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
112’s “Do What You Gotta Do” – co-wrote by Daron Jones & R Kelly
Isley Brothers’ “Contagious” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Ronald Isley
Changing Faces’ “Visit Me” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Syleena Johnson’s “Joined At The Hip” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Syleena Johnson
Nivea’s “Ya Ya Ya” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Nivea’s “Laundry Mat” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Andre 3000’s “Pink & Blue” – co-wrote by Andre Benjamin & R Kelly
Britney Spears’ “Outrageous” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Michael Jackson’s “One More Chance” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Missy Elliott’s “Dat’s What I’m Talkin About” – co-wrote by R Kelly & Missy
JS’ “Ice Cream” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
JS’ “Love Angel” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
JS’ “Bye-Bye” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
JS’ “Slow Grind” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
JS’ “Sister” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
JS’ “Stay Right Here” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Marques Houston’s “Clubbin” – (song/hook) ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Nivea’s “Gangsta Girl” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Isley Brothers’ “Blast Off” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Joe’s “More and More” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Isley Brothers’ “Body Kiss” – (song/hook) ghost-wrote by R Kelly
Ciara’s “Next To You” – ghost-wrote by R Kelly


**R Kelly’s/Bow Wow’s “I’m A Flirt” (very interesting information I found)
This is a very special prevision copyright – it’s it the FIRST EVER copyright appl. in which the claimants are designated by a “OR” (Performing Artist: R Kelly OR Bow Wow). With further research – I’m being told that the song was originally co-produced by R Kelly & T-Pain, for Bow Wow’s album, with “words” co-writing credit going to TI, R Kelly, and T-Pain. Judging from the history between Bow Wow using TI for writing, I’m assuming here that TI ghost-wrote Bow Wow’s lyrics. Because performing rights companies only allow artists publishing royalties typically on 10-11 songs, and Bow Wow ‘felt’ that it wasn’t going to be a ‘hit song’, so he didn’t file it for publishing. Seeing this, and having more faith in the potential of the track, R Kelly (who already produced it, wrote it, and has part ownership of the copyright) filed it under his publishing and started planning to use it as a single. Since TI & T-Pain already had been involved in writing the track and music (and were credited on the copyright already), I’m sure it was an easy choice to feature them on the “remix” of the track, and not have to re-file the copyright. Because R Kelly filed it for publishing, and claimed it as a ‘single’…Bow Wow was forced to put it on his album only as a bonus track.
 11 years ago '07        #167
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I dunno if anyone has asked yet but you can find who Weezy wrote for? He said he ghostwrites so eh
 11 years ago '04        #168
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 PIRU'N'BONE said:
that sh*t about


bone thugs gettin trey songz to ghost rite "this aint a game" is fake....i draw the line right bout here hahaha... :thumbsdow
I was thinking the same thing lol
 11 years ago '04        #169
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killerhoops & piru-n-blood: read what I researched/wrote again...

Bone Thugs’ “This Ain’t a Game” song/hook co-wrote by Trey Songz & D.O.C.; verses co-wrote by Bone Thugs & D.O.C.

I am not implying that Trey Songz ghost-wrote the verses for Bone...as you can see, from the copyright appl., Bone Thugs & D.O.C. are credited for co-writing the verses ("words")...What Trey Songz (and D.O.C.) are credited for co-writing was the song/hook - ("music"). Do you understand now?

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As for the phone number dude...Nas DIDN'T write "Just The Two Of Us". Whoever told you that is wrong. According to publishing credits - the song was created by: Will Smith, Bill Withers (sang the original), William Salter (song producer), and Ralph McDaniels. According to the copyright appl., the author of Will Smith's "Just The Two Of Us" of the "words & music" = co-wrote by Ralph McDaniels & William Salter.


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 11 years ago '04        #170
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hmm can u dig up all the stuff that Raphael Saadiq wrote
 11 years ago '06        #171
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yo DR.J could u search for papoose & pac's ones
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 11 years ago '04        #172
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I love how dudes were sh*tting on J for the first couple pages now mad people asking him to research sh*t for them.
 11 years ago '04        #173
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Tank, Ne-Yo, & R. Kelly are on top of their writing sh*t. They are all cakin' like a muthafu*ka
 11 years ago '04        #174
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Raphael Saadiq (Raphael “Charlie” Wiggins) [Polygram Intn. Publishing/ Tony-Toni-Tone Music]
Pure Soul’s “What Did We Do” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
D’Angelo’s “Lady” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
The Roots’ “What They Do” – hook/music wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Laurnea’s “Superstar” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Laurnea Wilkerson
Laurnea’s “Over & Over” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Laurnea Wilkerson
Snoop Dogg’s “Midnight Love” – co-wrote by Bad Azz, Raphael Saadiq, & Snoop
Snoop Dogg’s “Somethin’ Bout Yo Bidness” – co-wrote by G-1, Raphael Saadiq, & Snoop
Solo’s “Touch me” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Solo’s “Nights Like This” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
D’Angelo’s “Untitled (How Does It Feel)” – co-wrote by D’Angelo & Raphael Saadiq
Mary J Blige’s “Not Lookin (remake)” – co-wrote by Mary J Blige, Raphael Saadiq, & Ike Lee
Kenny Lattimore’s “Come To Me” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Kenny Lattimore
Isley Brothers’ “Ernie’s Jam” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Ronald Isley
Isley Brothers’ “You Didn’t See Me” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Ronald Isley
Isley Brothers’ “Move Your Body” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Angela Winbush
Bilal’s “Soul Sista” – ghost-wrote by Rafael Saadiq
Angie Stone’s “Makin Me Feel” – co-wrote by Angie Stone & Raphael Saadiq
Angie Stone’s “Excuse Me” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Calvin Richardson
Angie Stone’s “Brotha” – co-wrote by Harold Lilly & Raphael Saadiq
Ginuwine’s “2 Way” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
TLC’s “So So Dumb” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & T-Boz
Toshi Kubota’s “Shame” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Toshi Kubota’s “Pu-Pu” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Angie Stone
Erykah Badu’s “Love of My Life” (song/hook) – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Erykah Badu
Ms. Joi’s “What If I Kissed You Right Now” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Ms. Joi’s “17 Inches of Snow” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Ms. Joi’s “Jefferson Street Joe” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Ms. Joi’s “You’re A wh0ore” – ghostwrote by Raphael Saadiq
Chingy’s “Don’t Worry” – (song/hook) – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Kelis’ “80’s Joint” – co-wrote by Kelis, Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Kelis’ “Glow” – co-wrote by Kelis, Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Kelly Price’s “So Sweet” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Truth Hurt’s “Catch 22” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Truth Hurt’s “Ready Now” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Shari Watson
Teedra Moss’ “Take Me” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Jill Scott’s “Spring Summer” – co-wrote by Jill Scott & Raphael Saadiq
Calvin Richardson’s “Falling Out” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
Calvin Richardson’s “She’s Got The Love” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Calvin Richardson
Earth, Wind, & Fire’s “Show Me The Way” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Earth, Wind, & Fire’s “Pass You By” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Earth, Wind, & Fire’s “Work It Out” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Taura Jackson
Earth, Wind, & Fire’s “Love Together” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Kevin Wooten
Jaguar Wright’s “Told Ya” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Jaguar Wright
Jaguar Wright’s “My Place” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Jaguar Wright
Jaguar Wright’s “Ecstacy” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq, Bobby Ozuna, & Jaguar Wright
Floetry’s “Imagination” – ghost-wrote by Raphael Saadiq
Anthony Hamiliton’s “Ain’t Nobody Worryin” – co-wrote by Anthony Hamiliton & Raphael Saadiq
Goapele’s “Crushed Out” – co-wrote by Goapele & Raphael Saadiq
Leela James’ “Rain” – co-wrote by Q-Tip & Raphael Saadiq
Mary J Blige’s “Found My Everything” – co-wrote by Raphael Saadiq & Bobby Ozuna
 11 years ago '07        #175
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yo fam could you check babyface and diane warren
 11 years ago '05        #176
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i still think gillie wrote more for wayne. and still it proves that wayne got his style from the n*gga. got his new flow and swagg from gillie and hova and with all that in the air i dont see how he can be best alive when he is just a copy of gillie and young hova
 11 years ago '04        #177
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UPPPPPing.

hahah...so many requests! I'm at work right now, so I'll work on some a little later. I'll try to start to work on maybe Lil Wanye & Babyface next.

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PS - to the G-Unit kid....That's all the Library Of Congress has documented, so I trust that's all the work he has legally done for Cash Money. Sure Gillie helped Wayne - I can respectfully except that, and I do like a 'some' of Gillie's material. BUT- I dunno about "Got his style from him" though. Gillie has very little style/personality/success to begin with, and his public image (and court cases) isn't helping his rap career get any further along. Add that to the fact that Lil Wayne has had more experience/longevity in the game, and an already established fanbase. If anything Gillie helped him improve lyrical. Wayne put it all the work of getting better, expand nationally, and jump on so many tracks. And...I'm sure there's tons of people here that will agree with me that Lil Wayne's best material has been made AFTER THE FACT of Gillie stopped ghost-writing for him. Also, you mention Wayne got some of his style from Jay? Didn't Jay steal alot his whole style/connections/experience from Jaz-O & Biggie?? I don't see anyone (myself included because I'm a Jay fan) complaining.

Plus, I don't want to sugar-coat the profession of ghost-writing for you. 75% of the time, MOST ghost-writers are employed because they attempted to be a full-fledge performing artist, and couldn't make it and/or couldn't create a large enough fanbase, but have lyrical talent.

You're over-praising of Gillie too much would be similar to giving MORE CREDIT to a basketball's team trainer, than the actual superstar (Nash, Nash, Duncan, Iverson, Garnett, Bosh, Kobe, etc) himself. Sure, the trainer helped him during practice and drills, but the player put in all the work to improve and be great - so he deserves that credit. Same thing with Lil Wayne.


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 11 years ago '06        #178
pimpinatl 1 heat pts
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did anyone ghost write for pac?
 11 years ago '04        #179
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This is going to be the longest thread on Box.. when it's all said and done.. I need to see MaddSkillz
 11 years ago '06        #180
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also max b from byrdgang
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