The Definitive GHOSTWRITING Exposed/Research Thread (will keep updated)

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 11 years ago '04        #281
DoctorJ|m 35 heat pts35 OP
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Word no doubt Stormtrooper...I'm not really feeling Dream either. He's a decent writer...but, I think he gets more credit than he should cause he's part of a production team with him and Tricky...that's how he gets so much work.......but yea bro, you're welcome to name some more heads anytime for me to look up.

PS - I'm still having a hell of a time researching Skillz, because this cat literally files each song under different variations of copyright & ascap writer names: Shaquan Lewis, Shaquan Donnie Lewis, Donnie Shaquan Lewis, Don S. Lewis, Donnie S. Louis, etc...Plus, homie doesn't even own all the copyrights on all his own tracks. The legit research I can find of his is for songs from his "From Where" album which was maaaad long ago. I'm finding the obvious copyright forms for Will Smith, Shaq, Diddy, a couple co-writing credits on some Roots songs...but other than that...it's not ALOT at all...Something tells me he doesn't have as many as he made it seem....I'm gonna keep looking though.

Thanks for all your input so far homie.


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 11 years ago '06        #282
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hey doc dont let them get to you...hey even i converted lol ..anyway post up max b if u can, and try to start something like this but for producer's
 11 years ago '05        #283
pwayne 19 heat pts19
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Doctor J how about Cee-Lo Green? I think he said he wrote for some people as well.
 10-06-2007, 10:34 PM         #284
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Whoa. Propz once again on a great thread.
 11 years ago '04        #285
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I heard Camron actually wrote a track for 3LW, their first single they came out with.....
 11 years ago '06        #286
LYTE 138 heat pts138
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he actually wrote the rap part. not the whole song^^
 11 years ago '04        #287
DoctorJ|m 35 heat pts35 OP
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Lyte is correct
 11 years ago '04        #288
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props given...UPPPPPPPPPPing.
 10-10-2007, 05:16 PM         #289
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bumpy knuckles aka freddy da foxxxx, you done on him? would be interesting..
 11 years ago '04        #290
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Who did Red Cafe write for? Is it Ja Rule?
 11 years ago '04        #291
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This proves he dont know some the sh*t he is posting:

THE WATCHER (Title Code: 530534100)
Writers:
MATHERS MARSHALL B III
YOUNG ANDRE ROMELL

Performers:
DR DRE
DR. DRE

Variations:
WATCHER THE

Publishers/Administrators:
AIN'T NOTHING BUT FUNKIN'/WB
% WB MUSIC CORP
% WARNER CHAPPELL MUSIC INC
10585 SANTA MONICA BLVD
LOS ANGELES , CA, 90025
Tel. (310) 441-8600

W B MUSIC CORP
% WARNER BROS INC
(WARNER BROS MUSIC DIV)

Contact ASCAP Clearance representative at (212)621-6160
for other publisher information.




Jay-Z and Rakim wrote on The Watcher II
 11 years ago '07        #292
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once again good thread
 11 years ago '04        #293
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"This proves he dont know some the sh*t he is posting
...because I forgot a "2"???
...wow...homie, I've screenshoted enough on here to prove the sources I'm getting this from...prove people right/wrong.

PS - While ASCAP is a good source, you also gotta cross-reference it with the filed copyright app. Just to educate you.


But if it makes you feel better; you are right; and I corrected it.
 11 years ago '04        #294
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To Jepsu.....read this, where I had to explain to people before...

Ne-Yo's real name (Shaffer Smith) & registered publishing name [Zomba Music, Inc./Super Sayin Publishing], is on the filed copyright app., not TQ's (Terrance Quaites). Also, for the record, Neyo's birthday is October 18, 1982. According the copyright app, "Westside" was released in 1998, and was originally written in 1997 - making Neyo about 15 years old. Now, if his bio is correct, he was born to musician parents in Arkansas, and started writing lyrics at the early age of 9. His parents first starting sending songs Neyo wrote to Prince when he turned 12 years old. So other than the proof of the OBVIOUS name on the copyright, I have no problem seeing someone buying a song from him in 1998, at the age of 16 (not that young in the music world). Believe what you wanna believe though.

(filed copyright screenshot) See for yourself right here:


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 11 years ago '04        #295
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 DoctorJ said:
the only one that can speak on this that I see making logical sense is StormTropper.

Much like him, I have worked at and with Sony Records, as well as some work at So So Def, while it was still under the Sony imprint. My Hear My Voice Urban Talent Service Database is coordinated by Beverly Martin, Dir. of Regional Promotions at Sony. So trust me -- I'm speaking from 9 years of experience.

If you read my whole post - you'd see I too said 'most' ghostwriting used to be kept as unknown as possible --- One mistake you have though is -- the original ghostwriter does retain copyright registration for the tracks...and that's where the smoking gun ALWAYS is. (Go research Cardan...(you spelled his name wrong) who used to be in Harlem World...just like you said, the tracks he did write for Nelly, as well as Foxy are credited through the Library of Congress. VERY VERY rarely do they not retain authorship homie. You should know this.

Pimp...YES, BIG did use ghostwriting...it's well documented all the cats he's hooked up for helping out...go do some homework. Even if it's not a WHOLE verse written, nearly all artists get a.ssistance on a major label. So don't be so shocked.


RIP, that's cooo, you are like 3 minutes from my crib right now....as for people I've worked with, I run a database that Beverly from Sony coordinates...so I work with many regions. My biggest 2 successes is selling a beat to Brian McKnight and a beat to Mario Vazquez. Locally, I've sold 2 beats to Triple J...and I'm working on a project with Kimillion (Killa Kim).

yoo what about this Lil Wayne allegations and Gillie with the Carter Lp's ??....u got any legit info on that particular situation??
 11 years ago '04        #296
DoctorJ|m 35 heat pts35 OP
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its up there; I did Gillie already....so go look it up.


What I might plan to do later is...create a new post, and post all the research together...so it's cleaner/easier to find research.


Gillie Da Kid (Sar’d Terry Nasir*) [WB Music Corp./Money In The Pocket, Inc.]
Mase’s “The Player Way” (8Ball/MJG’s verses) co-wrote by Gillie Da Kid & 8Ball
8Ball & MJG’s “Speed” co-wrote by Gillie Da Kid & 8Ball
8Ball & MJG’s “Intro” co-wrote by Tristan Jones & Gillie Da Kid
8Ball & MJG’s “Paid Dues” ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
8Ball & MJG’s “Armed Robbery” (8Ball/MJG’s verses) ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
8Ball & MJG’s “Belly” co-wrote by Gillie Da Kid, Tristan Jones, & 8Ball
Ms. Toi’s “My Dogs & My Locs” – ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Major Figga’s “Yeah That’s Us” (whole song) co-wrote by Gillie Da Kid, Tristan Jones, & T. Lovelace
Boo & Gotti’s “Freestyle” (on Fast/Furious sdtk) – ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Boo & Gotti’s “Baby Girl” – ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Boo & Gotti’s “Ain’t It Man” (whole song) ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Boo & Gotti’s “Ride Tonight” – co-wrote by Boo, Gotti, & Gillie Da Kid
Juvenile’s “Lil Daddy” – (Baby’s verse) – co-wrote by Boo, Gotti, & Gillie Da Kid
Juvenile’s “Bounce Back” – song/verses co-wrote by Juvenile & Gillie Da Kid
Big Tymer’s “Back Up” – co-wrote by Juvenile & Gillie Da Kid
Big Tymer’s “We Can Smoke” – ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Big Tymer’s “I’ll Take U There” – (Ms. Toi/Big Tymers verses) - ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Baby's "What Happened To That Boy" - (Baby's verse) - ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Big Tymer’s “U Are Not A Pimp” – ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Big Tymer’s “Dirty D-Boy” – ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid
Big Tymer’s “Southern Boy” – (Lil Wayne/Big Tymers verses) co-wrote by Gillie Da Kid & Bun B
Nelly’s “For My” – (Nelly’s verses) co-wrote by Lil Wayne & Gillie Da Kid
Lil Wayne’s “Get Down” – verses/hook co-wrote by Gillie Da Kid & Lil Wayne
Ginuwine’s “Hell Yeah” (Baby’s verse) - ghost-wrote by Gillie Da Kid


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 11 years ago '04        #297
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while trying to research Da Brat, I 'accidentally' found this guy, L-Roc aka James Elbert Phillips; other than being a writer, he's also spent some time in the production crews of both Lil Jon & Jermaine Dupri...he's got quite alot of stuff he's wrote though - pretty impressive.


L-Roc (James Elbert Phillips) [Air Control, Inc/Basajamba Music]
Jermaine Dupri’s “Gotta Getcha” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Missy
Jermaine Dupri’s “Live Like Me” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bonecrusher’s “Back Up” – co-wrote by Bonecrusher & L-Roc
Chingy’s “Dem Jeans” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Chingy
Chingy’s “Pullin Me Back” – co-wrote by Chingy, L-Roc, & Jermaine Dupri
J-Kwon’s “My Enemies” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Jermaine Dupri, & J-Kwon
Nelly’s “Nobody Knows” – co-wrote by Nelly, L-Roc, & Anthony Hamiliton
Bow Wow’s “Fresh AzImIz” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Is That You” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Damn Thing” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “How You Move It” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Mo Money” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “18” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Do You” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Jaron Alston
Bow Wow’s “Do What It Do” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Jermaine Dupri
Bow Wow’s “Bet That” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Jermaine Dupri
Bow Wow’s “Caviar” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Snoop Dogg
Bow Wow’s “Tell Me” – co-wrote by Da Brat & L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Big Dreams” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Da Brat
Usher’s “Yeah” – song/hook co-wrote by Sean Garrett, L-Roc, & Lil Jon
TI’s “Ima King” – co-wrote by TI, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Lil Jon’s “Get Your Weight Up” – co-wrote by L-Roc & TI
Lil Scrappy’s “Get Some Crunk In Your System” – co-wrote by Lil Scrappy, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Lil Scrappy’s “Weakest Link” – co-wrote by Lil Scrappy, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Dem Franchize Boyz’ “My Music” – ghost-wrote & produced by L-Roc & Jermaine Dupri
Johnta Austin’s “Joy” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
J-Lo’s “Control Myself” – song/hook co-wrote by Ryan Toby, L-Roc, & Jermaine Dupri
Janet Jackson’s “This Body” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Janet Jackson’s “So Excited” – song/hook co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Janet Jackson’s “Call On Me” – song/hook co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Amerie’s “Touch” – co-wrote by Sean Garrett, Amerie, Craig Love, & L-Roc
Brooke Valentine’s “Playa” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Ciara’s “Crush” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Craig Love, Taurain Shropshire, & Lil Jon
Monica’s “Everytime The Beat Drop” – song/hook co-wrote by L-Roc, Monica, & Johnta Austin
Daz Dillinger’s “Weekend” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Daz, & Jermaine Dupri
Daz Dillinger’s “Badder Than A Mutha” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Daz
Daz Dillinger’s “On Some Real sh*t” – Daz’s verse co-wrote by Rick Ross & L-Roc
Too Short’s “Blow The Whistle” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Lil Jon, & Too Short
Too Short’s “Couldn’t Be A Better Player” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Lil Jon, & Too Short
Too Short’s “It’s Time 2 Go” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Too Short
Too Short’s “Shake It Baby” – co-wrote by Too Short, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Too Short’s “All About It” – co-wrote by Too Short & L-Roc
E-40 ‘s “Gimme Head” – co-wrote by E-40, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Styles P’s “Can U Believe It” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Styles P, & Craig Love


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 10-11-2007, 09:22 AM         #298
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styles p?! :wow:
 11 years ago '06        #299
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 DoctorJ said:
while trying to research Da Brat, I 'accidentally' found this guy, L-Roc aka James Elbert Phillips; other than being a writer, he's also spent some time in the production crews of both Lil Jon & Jermaine Dupri...he's got quite alot of stuff he's wrote though - pretty impressive.


L-Roc (James Elbert Phillips) [Air Control, Inc/Basajamba Music]
Jermaine Dupri’s “Gotta Getcha” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Missy
Jermaine Dupri’s “Live Like Me” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bonecrusher’s “Back Up” – co-wrote by Bonecrusher & L-Roc
Chingy’s “Dem Jeans” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Chingy
Chingy’s “Pullin Me Back” – co-wrote by Chingy, L-Roc, & Jermaine Dupri
J-Kwon’s “My Enemies” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Jermaine Dupri, & J-Kwon
Nelly’s “Nobody Knows” – co-wrote by Nelly, L-Roc, & Anthony Hamiliton
Bow Wow’s “Fresh AzImIz” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Is That You” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Damn Thing” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “How You Move It” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Mo Money” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “18” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Do You” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Jaron Alston
Bow Wow’s “Do What It Do” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Jermaine Dupri
Bow Wow’s “Bet That” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Jermaine Dupri
Bow Wow’s “Caviar” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Snoop Dogg
Bow Wow’s “Tell Me” – co-wrote by Da Brat & L-Roc
Bow Wow’s “Big Dreams” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Da Brat
Usher’s “Yeah” – song/hook co-wrote by Sean Garrett, L-Roc, & Lil Jon
TI’s “Ima King” – co-wrote by TI, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Lil Jon’s “Get Your Weight Up” – co-wrote by L-Roc & TI
Lil Scrappy’s “Get Some Crunk In Your System” – co-wrote by Lil Scrappy, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Lil Scrappy’s “Weakest Link” – co-wrote by Lil Scrappy, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Dem Franchize Boyz’ “My Music” – ghost-wrote & produced by L-Roc & Jermaine Dupri
Johnta Austin’s “Joy” – ghost-wrote by L-Roc
J-Lo’s “Control Myself” – song/hook co-wrote by Ryan Toby, L-Roc, & Jermaine Dupri
Janet Jackson’s “This Body” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Janet Jackson’s “So Excited” – song/hook co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Janet Jackson’s “Call On Me” – song/hook co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Amerie’s “Touch” – co-wrote by Sean Garrett, Amerie, Craig Love, & L-Roc
Brooke Valentine’s “Playa” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Johnta Austin
Ciara’s “Crush” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Craig Love, Taurain Shropshire, & Lil Jon
Monica’s “Everytime The Beat Drop” – song/hook co-wrote by L-Roc, Monica, & Johnta Austin
Daz Dillinger’s “Weekend” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Daz, & Jermaine Dupri
Daz Dillinger’s “Badder Than A Mutha” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Daz
Daz Dillinger’s “On Some Real sh*t” – Daz’s verse co-wrote by Rick Ross & L-Roc
Too Short’s “Blow The Whistle” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Lil Jon, & Too Short
Too Short’s “Couldn’t Be A Better Player” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Lil Jon, & Too Short
Too Short’s “It’s Time 2 Go” – co-wrote by L-Roc & Too Short
Too Short’s “Shake It Baby” – co-wrote by Too Short, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Too Short’s “All About It” – co-wrote by Too Short & L-Roc
E-40 ‘s “Gimme Head” – co-wrote by E-40, L-Roc, & Craig Love
Styles P’s “Can U Believe It” – co-wrote by L-Roc, Styles P, & Craig Love
all this is great doc but i need you to do some stuff on publishing...for example gille claim wayne aint never seen a pub check..what up doc!
 11 years ago '04        #300
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publishing; royalty points; and master issuance is all 'contractual' and is typically different on each case.

When you ghostwrite, the only thing you are 'usually' guaranteed is purchase money and copyright co-ownership. Much like alot of the people in this post have been saying (mixing up) is you don't usually/always retain publishing of the track [which is the way to 'hide' the fact that someone is ghostwriting]. So, without seeing the contract Gillie signed with Cash Money to do writing duties, I wouldn't know the details he accepted and signed for...hence, he may not even be owed any royalties/publishing credits....and he may be just talking sh*t & trying to be an annoyance. PLUS, as you can see from the list...he didn't do ALOT of writing for Wayne...it was more other members of Cash Money like Baby, and Boo & Gotti. In addition, The L.O.C. & ASCAP both only record & database the authorship & application forms when tracks are legally protected...it doesn't have anything to do with contractual work, publishing, royalties, etc.

My best 'assumption'...since he was only signed to Cash Money for a writing deal...I'd a.ssume he signed contracts for straight sales of the writing projects he did for them. Him and his lawyer would have known this though before he signed the contracts & copyright forms...so I think he's just trying to talk junk to get attention.


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