The Definitive GHOSTWRITING Exposed/Research Thread (will keep updated)

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The Definitive GHOSTWRITING Exposed/Research Thread (will keep updated)
 

 
From my recent reading of posts here about ghostwriting...and alot of myths/rumors people trying to pass off as fact here...I figured it's time to start up a real official convo about ghostwriting in hip-hop, and expose who uses writers.

Ghostwriting has been and is part of the business that often gets a negative connotation. It's a structured phase that whether you need one or not is apart of any 'artist development' process at a major label. Like someone had mentioned, unless you have worked with (or at) some capacity in the music business; you're not exposed to the real definition of ghostwriting; and you'll always have a bad vision of it. The difference in those days was these people were writers, not rappers, and fortunately always stayed unknown. Nowadays with more money involved, writers actually wanting publishing, etc-etc...the business of writing has gotten messy.

Do I condone ghostwriting? Not entirely, because (myself being a producer/rapper) I write my own lyrics, hooks, and notes to music...but it's apart of the business that always opportunities for others - so I can at least respect it.

It's always a double-edged sword...some of your favorite rappers have ghostwrote for people; while some of these 'ghostwriters' have allowed others to ghostwrite for them for 'creative brainstorm' purposes and to give up-and-comers opportunities. The best example is Biggie - he had the total package (voice, flow, persona, delivery, freestyling, etc) - but little known was that he publicly OFFERED opportunities for new rappers (Mase, Camron, D-Dot, Jadakiss, Charli Baltimore, etc) to write for him either in exchange for deals, or label opportunities. Did he really need it? - NO. Was it a gester that helped start some of these rappers careers? - YES. Did Biggie ever lose any of his popularity for giving 'opportunities'? - NO.

One of the most infamous stories was how Mase got discovered, which Diddy has discussed many times. Mase was at a music conference in ATL, in search of 'only' Jermaine Dupri to give him his demo, with a young Diddy & BIG only in attendance to network. While JD was nearly a no-show, Diddy was able to beg a listen to Mase's demo. After liking some of it...after the conference - Diddy and BIG put Mase to the test to 'freestyle' a verse NOT on the demo. What he spit impressed them so much, they later wanted him to use it as a verse as a feature on 112's first single "Only You". Historically, after praising him, and exchanging contact info -- Biggie & Diddy offered him an opportunity. They gave him 3 days to write a verse for Biggie for 112's "Only You". If it was hot enough for Biggie to record, Mase would get signed. It was, and he was signed.

Conclusively, ghostwriting is apart of the business that is just as important as production and marketing. I had helped write an article on 'ghostwriting' for New Times Magazine (down here in South Florida) a few years back --- so I have tons of more stories & situations. For those interested, please feel free to ask aight.

PS --- I still have my credit research I used in my input for the magazine article...I'll post that up in the next post -- so yall can actually see some of the 'CREDITED' ghostwriting done in hip-hop.

IF YOU HAVE CREDITED PROOF OF GHOSTWRITING (able to look up through copyright claimant research/publishing research) - then please add to my list below. I'll try to research and add a few more per week. ENJOY!

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credit research for article...I'm sure some of yall will be surprised:


Jay-Z (Shawn Carter) [Lil' Lulu Publishing/EMI April Music, Inc.]
M. Bleek on "Coming of Age" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
M. Bleek's "All Types of sh*t" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
"Coming of Age (Da Sequel)" - (Memphis Bleek's verse) ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "If I" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Foxy's Bells" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Get Me Home" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Ill Na Na" - (Foxy's verse) ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "I'll Be" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Big Bad Mama” - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "Hot Spot" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "I Can't" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Foxy's "JOB" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Lil Kim's "Big Momma Thang" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Bugs Bunny - "Buggin" (from Spacejam sdtrk) - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Jermaine Dupri's "Money Ain't A Thang" - co-wrote by JayZ & ROC
Biggie's "Hypnotize" - co-wrote by D-Dot & JayZ
Diddy’s "Fake Thug Dedication" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Timbaland's "Indian Carpet" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Dr. Dre's "Still DRE" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Dr. Dre's "The Watcher 2" - ghost-wrote by JayZ & Rakim
Dr. Dre's "The Message" - co-wrote by JayZ, Rell, & Royce Da 5'9"
Snoop Dogg's "Intrology" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Pro The Spectacula's "Call Ya Boy" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Pro The Spectacula's "Handle Barz" - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Slim Thug’s “I Ain’t Heard of That” - ghost-wrote by JayZ
Slim Thug’s “I Ain’t Heard of That RMX” - co-wrote by JayZ
Fort Minor’s “Where’d You Go” – co-wrote by JayZ & Mike Shinoda


Smitty (Varick D. Smith) [Bubo Music, Inc.]
B2K’s “Bump Bump Bump” - Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
ATL’s “Callin’ All Girls” – co-wrote by Smitty & R. Kelly
Will Smith’s “Miami” - ghost-wrote by Smitty
Brandy’s “Dance With Us” – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty & ROC
Diddy's "Bad Boys 4 Life" – Diddy’s verse co-wrote by Smitty & Black Rob
Diddy’s “And We” – Hook, Diddy’s, & Foxy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Loon’s “How You Want That” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Diddy’s “Show Me Your Soul” – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Diddy's "Shake Ya Tailfeather" – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Diddy’s “Girl I’m A Bad Boy” – Hook & Diddy’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Baby & Diddy’s “Do That” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Truth Hurt’s “Cop” – Dr. Dre’s verse ghost-wrote by Smitty
Truth Hurt’s “Benefit of the Doubt” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Truth Hurt’s “Hollywood” – ghost-wrote by Smitty
Dr. Dre’s “The Wash”– ghost-wrote by Smitty
Dr. Dre’s “On The Boulevard” - co-wrote by Smitty & Knoc-Turnal
Urban Mystic’s “I Got That” - ghost-wrote by Smitty
Beyonce’s “Summertime” – co-wrote by Smitty


Nas (Nasir Jones) [Queens Music Inc./Ill Will Inc./Serchlite Publishing]
Will Smith’s “Just Cruisin” - ghost-wrote by Nas
Will Smith’s “Gettin’ Jiggy Wit It” - ghost-wrote by Nas
Will Smith’s “Yes Yes Ya’ll” - co-wrote by Nas & Skillz
Will Smith’s “Chasin’ Forever” - co-wrote by Nas & Skillz
AZ's "Mo Money, Mo murder" - (AZ's verse) co-wrote by Nas & AZ
Olu Dara's "The Jungle" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Affirmative Action" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Hardcore" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Encore" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Firm Fiasco" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Foxy's Verse on "Untouchable" - co-wrote by Nas & Mel Man
Foxy's Verse on "Firm Biz" - co-wrote by Nas & AZ
Foxy's Verse on "Executive Decision" co-wrote by Nas & Nature
Jermaine Dupri's "Turn It Out" - co-wrote by Nas & ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "I Gotta Have It" - co-wrote by Nas & Bryan M. Cox
Jermaine Dupri's "Still Gotta Have It" - co-wrote by Nas, Monica, & B. M. Cox
Cha Cha's "Momma" - ghost-wrote by Nas
Fat Joe's "Jon Blaze" - (Fat Joe's verse) ghost-wrote by Nas
Timbaland's "To My..." - ghost-wrote by Nas
Diddy’s “Journey Through The Life” - (Diddy's verse) ghost-wrote by Nas
RUN DMC's "Queen's Day" - (Run's & DMC's verses) co-wrote by Nas, Prodigy, & Havoc
Capone-N-Noreaga's "B EZ" - (Nore's verse) co-wrote by Nas & Capone
Kay Slay's "Too Much 4 Me" - (Foxy's verse) co-wrote by Nas
The Neptunes' "Popular Thug" - (Pharell's verse) ghost-wrote by Nas
Diddy’s “Everything I Love” - co-wrote by Common & Nas



JadaKiss (Jason Phillips) [Jae'Wons Publishing]
Diddy's "Senorita" - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Diddy’s verses on "Victory" - co-wrote by Jadakiss, Biggie, & ROC
Biggie’s "Mo Money Mo Problems" - (biggie’s & diddy's verse) - co-wrote by Mase, Jadakiss, & Ed Bernard
Biggie’s verse on “Last Days” - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Jermaine Dupri's "Hate Blood" - co-wrote by Jadakiss & ROC
Eve's "Fix Me" - (Eve's verse) co-wrote by Jadakiss
Eve's "Double R What" - (Eve's verse) co-wrote by Jadakiss
Charli Baltimore’s “Money” - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Cam’Ron’s “Horse & Carriage” – hook by Jadakiss, both verses co-wrote by Jadakiss
Mike City's "Leave The Block Alone" - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Angie Martinez's "Live From The Streets" - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
J-Lo's "Jenny From The Block" - (Style's verse) ghost-wrote by Jadakiss
Mobb Deep's "One of Ours" - co-wrote by Jadakiss
Paris Hilton's "f!ghting Over Me" - hook & Fat Joe verse ghost-wrote by Jadakiss


Mase (Mason E. Betha) [M'Betha Publishing/Justin Combs Publishing Comp.]
Diddy’s "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" - ghost-wrote by Mase
112’s “Only You” (biggie’s verse) - ghost-wrote by Mase
112’s “Anywhere” (Lil Zane’s verse) - co-wrote by Mase & Lil Zane
Biggie’s "Mo Money Mo Problems" - (biggie’s & diddy's verse) - co-wrote by Mase, Jadakiss, & Ed Bernard
Camron’s “We Got It” – (both Mase/Cam’s verses) co-wrote by Mase & Cardan
Diddy’s "Friend" - ghost-wrote by Mase
Philly’s Most Wanted’s "Cross The Border" - ghost-wrote by Mase
JayZ’s “I Just Wanna Love You” - co-wrote by Mase, Pharell Williams, & JayZ


ROC aka Rocky (Rahman Muhammad Griffin) [ROC-Music Publishing]
Jermaine Dupri's "Money Ain't A Thang" - co-wrote by JayZ & ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "Turn It Out" - co-wrote by Nas & ROC
Diddy’s verses on "Victory" - co-wrote by Jadakiss, Biggie, & ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "Hate Blood" - co-wrote by ROC & Jadakiss
Jermaine Dupri's "Get Some" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Jermaine Dupri's "Get Your sh*t Right" - ghost-wrote by ROC & D-Dot
Jermaine Dupri's "Lay It Down" - co-wrote by ROC & Lil Mo
Jermaine Dupri's "Ballin Outta Control" - co-wrote by ROC & Nate Dogg
Mariah Carey’s “Loverboy REMIX” – song/hook co-wrote by L.Blackmon, T.Jenkins, M.Carey, & Cardan; (Da Brat’s verse) co-wrote by ROC & Cardan
Nick Cannon's "Whenever U Need Me" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "Stick Up" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "To My Mama" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's verse on "Hardball" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "I Can't Lose" - ghost-wrote by ROC
Bow Wow's "The Future" - ghost-wrote by ROC & TI
Bow Wow's "The Don, The Dutch" - ghost-wrote by ROC & TI
Bow Wow's "Hey Little Momma" - ghost-wrote by ROC & TI


Ne-Yo (Shaffer Chimere Smith)[Zomba Music, Inc./Super Sayin Publishing]
TQ’s “Westside” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Let’s Roll” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Don’t Worry” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Lose My Cool” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Pedal to the Steel” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Away With the Summer Days” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Dance Floor Pt. 2” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Down For The Get Down” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “Float Away” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Youngstown’s “So Tight” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Marques Houston’s “That Girl” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Christina Milan’s “I’m Sorry” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Christina Milan’s “Y’all Ain’t Nothin” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Nivea’s “Still In Love” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mis-teeq’s “Scandalous” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Samantha Mumba’s “Always Come Back To Your Love” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Just Be Happy” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “The Hotness” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Cassidy’s “Kick It With Me” – vocals wrote by Ne-Yo
Jaiden’s “Escape” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Jalen’s “All I Need” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Boxie’s “Bridging The Gap” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Candace Jones’ “You And Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Heather Headley’s “The Letter” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Ruben Studdard’s “Feel Beautiful” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Cassie’s “Kiss Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Joe’s “It’s On You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario’s “Let Me Love You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Paula DeAnda’s “Walk Away” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Paula DeAnda’s “So Cold” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Paula DeAnda’s “When It Was Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Chris Brown’s “Like That” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Snoop Dogg’s “Let Me” – vocals wrote by Ne-Yo
Mary J Blige’s “Be Without You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario Vazquez’s “Gallery” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
The Blay’s “My Story” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Let Me” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Unfaithful” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “We Ride” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Beyonce’s “Irreplaceable” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Beyonce’s “Hollywood” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Marques Houston’s “Wonderful” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Elliot Yamin’s “Wait For You” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Joe’s “If I Was Your Man” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Musiq’s “Ms. Philadelphia” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario’s “If” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Mario’s “What’s It Gonna Be” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo
Rhianna’s “Don’t Stop The Music” - ghost-wrote by Ne-Yo


For clarification --- these are just KNOWN and/or CREDITED instances of ghostwriting. Believe me, there are tons more, that come to light. I will try to start updating this, and adding more as I learn about it. I hope yall enjoy!


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 07-05-2007, 02:38 PM         #3
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Thought Royce did The Message for Dre?
 07-05-2007, 02:42 PM         #4
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How do you know all this sh*t?

I heard that Big stopped writing sh*t after Ready To Die and it was all in his head? I'm a HUGE Big fan (See my name), but if that sh*t's true, he loses a little bit of his... mystique (I guess that's the word) to me.
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props mayne
 10 years ago '06        #6
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When it comes to songwriting:
Ne-Yo >>>>> ______
 07-05-2007, 02:44 PM         #7
RIP B.I.G. 
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And what part of Wellington do you live at?
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When I wrote this article years ago - my way of researching these were a combination of:

1- When you get anything copyrighted - you are given an L.O.C. (library of congress) ID...and you can do copyright app. searched based off: song titles, author's real names, and registered publishing companies. (I have an LOC ID)
2- You can research publishing credits, for songs, through performing rights companies (ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC).
3- a simple search through all your cds album notes, 80% of the time, all the writers of a song are named in the publishing credits.

(obviously, to make this post - I have added more newer credits as well)



As for me --- I live off of Forest Hill Blvd, right past the Wellington mall, in the 12th Fairway area --- the golf course they converted into a community (hence the street name - the 12th fairway)

My girl and I will be moving soon though to Grand Isles on the corner of Haverhill & Roebuck...so we can be closer to my job, and so we can have an extra bedroom for an office (for her)/studio (for me).


PS --- That not writing for biggie is partially just a rumor. Some songs, yes, he didn't write down but not all --- and he started that technique from a younger JayZ's influence. Growing up I was a big fan of Biggie's too. Plus, please don't lose respect for Biggie over this --- like I mentioned earlier - Biggie often allowed ghostwriting as an opportunity/test to put people on. It has it's pros/cons...but it is apart of the business, plus it's also give and take...word is Biggie wrote stuff for people back as well. Pros - alot of careers (Cam, JayZ, Jada, etc) wouldn't have started off well without Big/Diddy giving them the opportunity. Cons- because Big didn't have a heavy writing work ethic...after he passed away - his unreleased catalogue was very very thin. Ya feel me. But point blank - using a ghostwriter isn't something to lose respect over an emcee for.


PSS --- I stand corrected on Dre's "The Message" (compositon & music: Andre Young (Dr. Dre); music & words: Shawn Carter (JayZ), Wilbur Gerrell Gaddis (Rell), and Ryan D. Montgomery (Royce Da 5'9"). Good catch on your part...I'll update it now.


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good sh*t I thought some of this sh*t spit sounded like it's g,Ws
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There is something fundamentally wrong with this.. Most times If there was a ghostwriter you will not know about. I know i worked for a label for years Ghostwriters do not appear on credits or usual get publishing. What you have researched isnt ghostwriting you have writers credits.. In r&B thats not Ghostwriting thats just plain out writing. I cant tell you what ghostwriting is i have a record and i sell it to a rapper for a couple of thosand dollars thats it.. no publish no nothing just cash. & out of ten times a ghostwriter is someone already close to that rapper or producer. Ill give u a few examples. Foxy Browns record "Brooklyn" was written by a rapper call christopher rucker.. they bought the record from him.. I also know another dude that wrote for Foxy. Cardin from harlem world wrote more than 3 records for Nelly his not on any paperwork.. His boy is Cutter love which managed Nelly.. they bought the records out flat.. The first 16 bars of jadakiss knock yourself out was written bu Infarad or Cross they ran with ruff ryders.. So what im telling you is 97 percent of the time you will never find out about ghostwriters unless ur in the mix...
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i dont believe that mase wrote i just wanna love you
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bullsh*t....u lose all creditibilty saying,'Biggie's "Hypnotize" - co-wrote by D-Dot & JayZ'...r u stupid! no one wrote for the notorious pimp (not biggie..he dropped that name)
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 DoctorJ said:
When I wrote this article years ago - my way of researching these were a combination of:

1- When you get anything copyrighted - you are given an L.O.C. (library of congress) ID...and you can do copyright app. searched based off: song titles, author's real names, and registered publishing companies. (I have an LOC ID)
2- You can research publishing credits, for songs, through performing rights companies (ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC).
3- a simple search through all your cds album notes, 80% of the time, all the writers of a song are named in the publishing credits.

(obviously, to make this post - I have added more newer credits as well)



As for me --- I live off of Forest Hill Blvd, right past the Wellington mall, in the 12th Fairway area --- the golf course they converted into a community (hence the street name - the 12th fairway)

My girl and I will be moving soon though to Grand Isles on the corner of Haverhill & Roebuck...so we can be closer to my job, and so we can have an extra bedroom for an office (for her)/studio (for me).


PS --- That not writing for biggie is partially just a rumor. Some songs, yes, he didn't write down but not all --- and he started that technique from a younger JayZ's influence. Growing up I was a big fan of Biggie's too. Plus, please don't lose respect for Biggie over this --- like I mentioned earlier - Biggie often allowed ghostwriting as an opportunity/test to put people on. It has it's pros/cons...but it is apart of the business, plus it's also give and take...word is Biggie wrote stuff for people back as well. Pros - alot of careers (Cam, JayZ, Jada, etc) wouldn't have started off well without Big/Diddy giving them the opportunity. Cons- because Big didn't have a heavy writing work ethic...after he passed away - his unreleased catalogue was very very thin. Ya feel me. But point blank - using a ghostwriter isn't something to lose respect over an emcee for.


PSS --- I stand corrected on Dre's "The Message" (compositon & music: Andre Young (Dr. Dre); music & words: Shawn Carter (JayZ), Wilbur Gerrell Gaddis (Rell), and Ryan D. Montgomery (Royce Da 5'9"). Good catch on your part...I'll update it now.
Oh, I live right in Olympia. Right across from the mall. You work with anyone around here/someone we'd know? Like Triple J, Suave Smooth, etc.? And I sent you a MySpace friend request. My name there is Young Dirty Bastard right now. :D

It's just hard to say he was the best emcee ever when he didn't right some of his best sh*t.

And I've seen people being credited for writing Biggie songs when he was the only artist on the song.

Mad props on all of this work.
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 DoctorJ said:
When I wrote this article years ago - my way of researching these were a combination of:

1- When you get anything copyrighted - you are given an L.O.C. (library of congress) ID...and you can do copyright app. searched based off: song titles, author's real names, and registered publishing companies. (I have an LOC ID)
2- You can research publishing credits, for songs, through performing rights companies (ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC).
3- a simple search through all your cds album notes, 80% of the time, all the writers of a song are named in the publishing credits.

(obviously, to make this post - I have added more newer credits as well)



As for me --- I live off of Forest Hill Blvd, right past the Wellington mall, in the 12th Fairway area --- the golf course they converted into a community (hence the street name - the 12th fairway)

My girl and I will be moving soon though to Grand Isles on the corner of Haverhill & Roebuck...so we can be closer to my job, and so we can have an extra bedroom for an office (for her)/studio (for me).


PS --- That not writing for biggie is partially just a rumor. Some songs, yes, he didn't write down but not all --- and he started that technique from a younger JayZ's influence. Growing up I was a big fan of Biggie's too. Plus, please don't lose respect for Biggie over this --- like I mentioned earlier - Biggie often allowed ghostwriting as an opportunity/test to put people on. It has it's pros/cons...but it is apart of the business, plus it's also give and take...word is Biggie wrote stuff for people back as well. Pros - alot of careers (Cam, JayZ, Jada, etc) wouldn't have started off well without Big/Diddy giving them the opportunity. Cons- because Big didn't have a heavy writing work ethic...after he passed away - his unreleased catalogue was very very thin. Ya feel me. But point blank - using a ghostwriter isn't something to lose respect over an emcee for.


PSS --- I stand corrected on Dre's "The Message" (compositon & music: Andre Young (Dr. Dre); music & words: Shawn Carter (JayZ), Wilbur Gerrell Gaddis (Rell), and Ryan D. Montgomery (Royce Da 5'9"). Good catch on your part...I'll update it now.



let me get this straight... u said ,'Diddy’s verses on "Victory" - co-wrote by Jadakiss, Biggie, & ROC
Biggie’s "Mo Money Mo Problems" - (biggie’s & diddy's verse) - co-wrote by Mase, Jadakiss, & Ed Bernard
Biggie’s verse on “Last Days” - ghost-wrote by Jadakiss',
so biggie wrote for other people but cant write his own verse!..explain it to me!
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no one else see the problems with his RESEARCH!
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damn ne-yo owns songwriting for r&b
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 pimpinatl said:
no one else see the problems with his RESEARCH!


Yes I do. BOW WOW is a ghostwriter FACT. But dude has a ghost writer???


I know for a fact Jada and Ice Cube are the most used ghostwriters in the game.


Also a fact that Diddy never wrote a damn verse himself. Biggie did most of his.

I doubt someone like Biggie will have a ghostwriter.



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 07-05-2007, 06:16 PM         #18
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damn jay-z and ne-yo on top of their sh*t lol. jigga wrote some good sh*t on chronic 2001. its hard to believe some of biggies best verses werent writtin by him. to me it does take some of his credibility but hes still best rapper # 2 in my eyes. i dunno how u can say biggies better than pac after that. pac NEVER would use a ghostwriter.
 07-05-2007, 06:21 PM         #19
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neyos puttin work in lol, damnnn
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the only one that can speak on this that I see making logical sense is StormTropper.

Much like him, I have worked at and with Sony Records, as well as some work at So So Def, while it was still under the Sony imprint. My Hear My Voice Urban Talent Service Database is coordinated by Beverly Martin, Dir. of Regional Promotions at Sony. So trust me -- I'm speaking from 9 years of experience.

If you read my whole post - you'd see I too said 'most' ghostwriting used to be kept as unknown as possible --- One mistake you have though is -- the original ghostwriter does retain copyright registration for the tracks...and that's where the smoking gun ALWAYS is. (Go research Cardan...(you spelled his name wrong) who used to be in Harlem World...just like you said, the tracks he did write for Nelly, as well as Foxy are credited through the Library of Congress. VERY VERY rarely do they not retain authorship homie. You should know this.

Pimp...YES, BIG did use ghostwriting...it's well documented all the cats he's hooked up for helping out...go do some homework. Even if it's not a WHOLE verse written, nearly all artists get a.ssistance on a major label. So don't be so shocked.


RIP, that's cooo, you are like 3 minutes from my crib right now....as for people I've worked with, I run a database that Beverly from Sony coordinates...so I work with many regions. My biggest 2 successes is selling a beat to Brian McKnight and a beat to Mario Vazquez. Locally, I've sold 2 beats to Triple J...and I'm working on a project with Kimillion (Killa Kim).


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