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 04-17-2007, 03:59 AM         #1
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Muslim Girls Kicked out of TaeKwonDo tournament for not removing Religious HeadScarve
 

 
Muslim Girls Kicked out of Tae Kwon Do tournament for not removing Religious Head Scarves

MONTREAL -- A team of mainly Muslim girls was forced to pull out of a Tae Kwon Do tournament near Montreal Sunday because its members refused to remove their hijabs.

In the second incident in Quebec sports this year, tournament organizers told team officials the girls could not compete because the Muslim headscarves posed a safety risk.

International referee Stephane Menard said the decision was made at a referee's meeting earlier in the day because hijabs are not listed under allowed equipment.

"The equipment that is allowed under the world Tae Kwon Do federation rules doesn't include the hijab," Menard said Sunday. "We applied the rules to the letter."

The Tae Kwon Do team, made up of girls between 8 and 12 years old, is affiliated with a Muslim community center in Montreal. Five of the team's six players wear a hijab but have been allowed to participate in similar tournaments around Quebec.

Team coach Mahdi Sbeiti says his team has often been cited as an example of cultural integration but suspects a changing political atmosphere played a role in the decision. Quebec has been embroiled in recent months in a debate about to what extent accommodations should be made for cultural and religious minorities.

Ahead of provincial elections last month, government officials ruled that Muslim women had to remove their face coverings if they wanted to vote, to allow for proper identification.

In February, an 11-year-old Muslim girl from Ontario participating in a soccer tournament in Quebec was pulled from the field after she refused the referee's request to remove her headscarf. The move was supported by soccer a.ssociations, citing safety concerns.

The Muslim center's boys club pulled out of Sunday's tournament in an act of solidarity.

"I'm very upset," said Bissan Mansour, one of the players. "We made so many efforts and practiced harder than usual to be here."

Sbeiti said he did not understand why his team was being barred now, especially since many of the referees were familiar.

"On the international scene, many teams from Muslim countries wear the hijab and have never had such a problem," Sbeiti said. "I don't see why it should be a problem here and now."

The Canadian Council of American-Islamic Relations said Sunday's decision will not encourage Muslim women to participate in sports.

"This recent fixation on the hijab is only serving to marginalize Muslim women who wish to participate in athletic activity," the Ottawa-based organization said.


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217 comments for "Muslim Girls Kicked out of TaeKwonDo tournament for not removing Religious HeadScarve"

 12 years ago '04        #2
noshirtforyou 3 heat pts
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and...?

 12 years ago '05        #3
D.Knight 
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hey tough luck, u gotta respect the rules, if i cant wear a du rag in skool than u can't wear a scarf during a martial arts tourney

 04-17-2007, 10:30 AM         #4
ThatDudeMJ  OP
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Your doo rag doesnt have sh*t to do with your religious convictions... ^

 04-17-2007, 10:38 AM         #5
Styl3s  OP
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 ThatDudeMJ said
Your doo rag doesnt have sh*t to do with your religious convictions... ^
its a fu*king martial art tourney, its justified, there are rules.. religion is no exception.. it has nothing to do with fu*king religion, im tired of ignorant fools always blaming people for retarded sh*t.. OH ITS BECAUSE IM BLACK! oh you wont let me do this because of my religion! oh you treat me this way because im arab :rolleyes:

BTW- you do know your not allowed to wear any type of head gear in most public school, religion or not it doesnt matter.


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 12 years ago '04        #6
ItAlY2BkLyN 240 heat pts240
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Yea, there's rules for reasons. I understand their religious beliefs consist of wearing the head scarf, but if you are going to participate in a public tournament, you have to realize that there are going to be regulations. They wouldn't let you wear shoes or other articles of clothing. So why should they make an exception because one group has it as part of their culture. Then you'd have to let anyone who bi*ches about something they want to wear, sport whatever they want. It's not a time for self expression. It's a time for whoopin a.ss.

 04-17-2007, 10:52 AM         #7
catchaBreath  OP
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 ItAlY2BkLyN said
Yea, there's rules for reasons. I understand their religious beliefs consist of wearing the head scarf, but if you are going to participate in a public tournament, you have to realize that there are going to be regulations. They wouldn't let you wear shoes or other articles of clothing. So why should they make an exception because one group has it as part of their culture. Then you'd have to let anyone who bi*ches about something they want to wear, sport whatever they want. It's not a time for self expression. It's a time for whoopin a.ss.
I second that.

So kiddies, the moral of the story is to follow the damn rules.

 12 years ago '04        #8
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case in point..

it is impossible to separate religion & state..

 12 years ago '04        #9
Cutty Olds 7 heat pts
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Why would you want to wear a hijab in a tae kwon do even anyway?! I mean lets be serious here ya'll for minute. I understand the role it plays in the religoun but ...your at a tournie...for a specific type of sport and a fighitng one at that...Don't act surprised if your asked to remove an article of clothing for a FULL CONTACT sporting event!

Man I try not to laugh when I see it but out here in Bahrain I see some of the women who jog/fast walk in there and please forgive the spelling "burhka" and "abiyas"...Haha man some of them folks are really about there tradition/religoun! So im not surprised to see that some of them would try this...Hell remember when some of them were trying to raise hell in America because they wanted to keep there abiyas on for there I.D. cards?!?!

 04-17-2007, 10:57 AM         #10
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 D.Knight said
hey tough luck, u gotta respect the rules, if i cant wear a du rag in skool than u can't wear a scarf during a martial arts tourney
u wear a rag to personify how "gangster" you are..... dumbass..... tough luck? the girl wore that cuz of her beliefs ..... does you religion tell your to listen to sh*tty violent music, and dress in some jail type clothes? NO it doesnt, but her religion tells her to do so ..... and its not harming anybody .....


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 04-17-2007, 10:58 AM         #11
Styl3s  OP
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 kokaine said
u wear a rag to personify how "gangster" you are..... dumbass..... tough luck? the girl wore that cuz of her beliefs? ..... does you religion tell you to listen to sh*tty violent music, and dress in some jail type clothes?
You allowed to wear one in boxing? no

shut the fu*k up

its a fu*king sport, it has NOTHING to do with religion, its just ignorant fu*ks like to make it out to be about that, thats how america is.. people like to play the religion and race card when they dont get there way

 12 years ago '05        #12
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 kokaine said
u wear a rag to personify how "gangster" you are..... dumbass..... tough luck? the girl wore that cuz of her beliefs? ..... does you religion tell your to listen to sh*tty violent music, and dress in some jail type clothes? NO it doesnt, but her religion tells her to do so ..... and its not harming anybody .....

 04-17-2007, 11:00 AM         #13
macadon83  OP
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 ThatDudeMJ said
Your doo rag doesnt have sh*t to do with your religious convictions... ^
Religious views are no more important than someones freedom. So, if i can't wear a du rag to class without being harassed by teachers, or in the street without worrying about being harrased by cops, they aren't getting a pass from me for their religion. It's still a choice. You have the choice to either wear it or not. Be in the tourny or not. U aren't getting a free pass from me just because some n*gga wrote a book that says you should wear a certain thing.

I woulda let them go ahead and compete, but they definitely didn't have to. Follow the rules n*ggaz.

 04-17-2007, 11:01 AM         #14
kokaine  OP
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fu*k those 2 that are trynna justify her to remove her hijab ... that retard used a bad example to fu*king get his point across.... and that reatd "great khali".... at this dumbass coparing a pro sport to an barely amateur .... extracurricular activity..... fu*king low life hater......

 04-17-2007, 11:02 AM         #15
r a n c i d  OP
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 ThatDudeMJ said
Your doo rag doesnt have sh*t to do with your religious convictions... ^
And religion doesn't have sh*t to do with a martial arts tournament.

I'm getting tired of these debates over religous uniform, wether its a cross on your necklace or a headscarf around your head. Until you can prove your religous believes to be factual all this religous bullsh*t needs to stop.

You can't prove your beliefs to be true so why should someone allow you to wear different uniform because of your beliefs?

Would you let a scientologist wear seperate clothing because of his beliefs. No, you wouldn't... and that's why we shouldn't let other farfetched whacko religions force their backwards beliefs onto us

I can't wait until couple hundred years down the line when religion will be deemed a mental illness

 12 years ago '05        #16
CalcuoCuchicheo 
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case in point..

it is impossible to separate religion & state..
It really isn't.

 04-17-2007, 11:05 AM         #17
kokaine  OP
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 JaiMega said
tell me one thing... why the fu*k would someone wear doo-rag to a fu*king CLASS..... it'd be understandable if it was hot outside, or playing ball and sh*t ...... but a fu*king class! ... while the girl basically has this headscarve on majority of her life... and its her own choice through religion to do so ...

but whatever .... she should know that in combative sports you need to take precautions

 12 years ago '04        #18
x Tha Arkitek x 74 heat pts74
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 r a n c i d said
And religion doesn't have sh*t to do with a martial arts tournament.

I'm getting tired of these debates over religous uniform, wether its a cross on your necklace or a headscarf around your head. Until you can prove your religous believes to be factual all this religous bullsh*t needs to stop.

You can't prove your beliefs to be true so why should someone allow you to wear different uniform because of your beliefs?

Would you let a scientologist wear seperate clothing because of his beliefs. No, you wouldn't... and that's why we shouldn't let other farfetched whacko religions force their backwards beliefs onto us

I can't wait until couple hundred years down the line when religion will be deemed a mental illness
You had to have aced Controversy 101 huh? LOL

 12 years ago '05        #19
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im muslim...and im more angry at the girls then at the tournament..its like this....i think some of them take religion in a sense to far...like at airports..you see our women sometimes wearing borkas...but why..your drawing attention to yourself for no reason..your creating problems for yourself...people will look at you....and airport security will probably harass you....but if you had the common sense to wear just a simple hijab or nothing at all...none of it would happen...then when it does happen they complain that they were being harassed..well of course cuz you were drawing attention to yourself

same with this....if in the tournament they knew that a hijab or any head garment is not allowed then they shouldnt have worn it....in the quran it doesnt say if you dont wear a hijab your going to hell...you dont even have to wear one....and to go to a tournament for taekwondo and refuse to take it off when you know your not allowed to wear it is drawing attention to yourself for no reason..it has nothing to do with race or religion...its just a rule...they didnt follow the rule and then they cry religious discrimination and yet again give everybody a bad impression about islam


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 12 years ago '05        #20
JaiMega 
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 kokaine said
tell me one thing... why the fu*k would someone wear doo-rag to a fu*king CLASS..... it'd be understandable if it was hot outside, or playing ball and sh*t ...... but a fu*king class! ... while the girl basically has this headscarve on majority of her life... and its her own choice through religion to do so ...

but whatever .... she should know that in combative sports you need to take precautions
I don't know which school you go to but you don't wear durags in class, once you get in you take off all headgear unless it's for religion or other sh*t like that.

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 kokaine said
fu*k those 2 that are trynna justify her to remove her hijab ... that retard used a bad example to fu*king get his point across.... and that reatd "great khali".... at this dumbass coparing a pro sport to an barely amateur .... extracurricular activity..... fu*king low life hater......
^^^
Since you said it's "barely amateur"
You do know that Tae Kwon Do is an Olympic Event...it's a little more than a extracurricular activity
You can't wear on in

Muay Thai Kick Boxing
American Style KickBoxing
Judo
Brazilian Juijitsu
Boxing
Sambo
Krav Maga
Karate (Any Style)
FreeStyle/Greeco/Traditional wrestling

Why would you think Tae Kwon Do would get a pass? I understand he used a bad example but the point is..The rules BEEN there, and they know they were blatantly bold to attempt to wear an unauthorized head garment that could EASILY cause safety concerns or delay a match inadvertantly with out even asking first to see if it was legit. They are called full contact sports for a reason...no matter how controlled the contact is...it's just that.


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 04-17-2007, 11:09 AM         #22
r a n c i d  OP
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I'll break this down hypothetically.

If i believed God was a flying pink giraffe. And this pink Giraffe told me i must where a bandana with an imaga of a flying pink giraffe on it. And i went into your busisness work place, lets say selling cars, and i told you it was my belief... Would you allow me to wear it.

No, you wouldn't.... Because it's fu*king stupid

 04-17-2007, 11:10 AM         #23
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 trb_5 said
im muslim...and im more angry at the girls then at the tournament..its like this....i think some of them take religion in a sense to far...like at airports..you see our women sometimes wearing borkas...but why..your drawing attention to yourself for no reason..your creating problems for yourself...people will look at you....and airport security will probably harass you....but if you had the common sense to wear just a simple hijab or nothing at all...none of it would happen...then when it does happen they complain that they were being harassed..well of course cuz you were drawing attention to yourself

same with this....if in the tournament they knew that a hijab or any head garment is not allowed then they shouldnt have worn it....in the quran it doesnt say if you dont wear a hijab your going to hell...you dont even have to wear one....and to go to a tournament for taekwondo and refuse to take it off when you know your not allowed to wear it is drawing attention to yourself for no reason..it has nothing to do with race or religion...its just a rule...they didnt follow the rule and then they cry religious discrimination
thats understandable ... but people are using this incident to hate on a person
following their beliefs ... but she did put it amongst her self to be put in a situation liek this .. they couldve easily started a separate club or whatever....


To Jai and Cutty..... I never said classes allow rags... but he used that sh*t as an example to justify how its correct to ban a headscarve.... to cutty, i understand its full contact but im saying people are using this to demmoralize someones faith ... if they dont wanna be amercanized and live their life... let them as long as their not fu*king with someone else..


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 04-17-2007, 11:12 AM         #24
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 kokaine said
thats understandable ... but people are using this incident to hate on a person
following their beliefs ... but she did put it amongst her self to be put in a situation liek this .. they couldve easily started a separate club or whatever....
A seperate club for religous people who refuse to remove their religous clothing

 12 years ago '05        #25
JaiMega 
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 kokaine said
thats understandable ... but people are using this incident to hate on a person
following their beliefs ... but she did put it amongst her self to be put in a situation liek this .. they couldve easily started a separate club or whatever....
that sh*t woulda flopped

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