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 02-24-2007, 11:46 AM         #76
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The most common complaints leveled against Ether are that the beat sucks and Nas takes the homophobic insults a bit overboard. Well, yeah, the beat sucks (though because of how anthemic the song has become, it transcends Ron Brownz cheap production), and "Gay-Z and c*ckafella" aren't exactly the world's most astute disses. However, there are more than enough good shots to satisfy even the staunchest ammo aficionado. In addition, Ether is not all punchlines, rather it has proven to be more a biting psychological critique, especially seen in detailing several key points:

1) Jay-Z's obsession with Nas
"You been on my d*ck, n*gga, you love my style . . . With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music . . . . . . You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pus*y, a Stan . . . Wanted to be on every last one of my classics"

From sampling Nas on Dead Presidents, from sampling Nas on Rap Game-Crack Game, from referencing Nas on Sunshine, from referencing Nas on Where I'm From, from asking Nas to redo the hook on Dead Presidents, from asking Nas to appear in the video for Dead Presidents (where Jay apparently contacted E Money Bags to get at the Illmatic MC, "calling my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers"), the obsession had previously been a relatively guarded secret, but, with Ether, Nas put it on blast for the whole world to see. Many people have said that the verse from Takeover was directed at Nas almost from the point of view of a fan. In this context, that evaluation makes perfect sense.

2) Jay-Z's relationship with Biggie
"First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big . . . How much of Biggie's rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips?"

From using Biggie's lyrics on a handful of songs, including a couple of his most notable, and even the very first track on Blueprint, Jay-Z has consistently crowded the border between homage and exploitation. A quote here or there is cool if they had a relationship like that, but, from all apparent sources, especially the current Reasonable Doubt XXL issue, while there may have been a mutual respect, the deep friendship that Jay continually portrays seems to have been more fiction than fact. What's more, on the song Hola Hovito, from Blueprint, Jay boldly stated, "if I ain't better than Big, I'm the closest one." Beyond having to rely on the late-great's lyrics at times, how are you going to say something like that when a) you're supposed to have been boys b) Big's not alive to cosign.

Moreover, there's a parallel between these first two attacks of Ether. Ready To Die came out in 1994, along with Illmatic. In that class of New York MCs, it was Biggie and Nas, alongside Raekwon and Ghostface too. Jay-Z then established himself in 1996, like an underclassmen, an upstart outsider, whose desire for greatness and simultaneous insecurity always made him want to hang with the older crowd and be accepted on their level. If we read into this theory, that explains Jay constantly wanting to partner with Nas and be seen as an equal with Biggie. It was the one way he felt he could belong; this then ties in to Ether's overall third point.

3) Jay-Z's Insecurity
"You a.ss went from Jaz to hanging with Kane, to Irv, to Big . . . You a d*ck-riding f*g**t, you love the attention"

In subsequent interviews from around the time of Stillmatic, Nas took shots at Jay and how he, Nas, didn't need to put out an album every year, have a song out every summer. Implying that Jay's flooding the market was born out of some great insecurity, Nas focused in on a suspect pattern in Jay-Z's behavior, as also mentioned above. However laudable or forgettable his output might have been, by jumping on whatever was hot at the moment and would keep his name in the air, we see almost a deep streak of personal inadequacy in Jay-Z's actions, the brand of poor self-esteem that overcompensates with overconfidence, a career based on chasing the cool. It's the type of shaky demeanor that may make it appear a necessity to be on the dial every second, forcing oneself onto the street's ear at every chance. So whereas Nas planned out a patient attack that saw months go by between Takeover and Ether, Jay-Z couldn't rest. He couldn't be satisfied with letting the battle end there. Instead, he rushed out not one but two responses. In the final score, it was this insecurity that eventually lost the battle.

Jay-Z's two responses were both failing attempts to try and rationalize with fans why he wouldn't lose, to try and convince himself that he hadn't lost already. Unfortunately, for him, Super Ugly, the "I slept with your baby's mother" freestyle, only further served as evidence of an obsessive relationship with Nas, and Euro Jay, a no-names-mentioned production released at the same time, played once and then dropped out of the conversation for good. In comparison with the songs that preceded it, it was just that forgettable. However, arguably the lowest point for Jay came after a Hot 97 radio poll, where listeners declared Ether the victor over Super Ugly. With the Brooklyn rapper coincidentally in studio on Angie Martinez's show, right after the results were announced, Martinez asked, "if you weren't you, would you think Ether was a hot joint?" Often taking long pauses or stuttering, Jay's answer was completely absent of his usual confidence, "Um . . . I would be a little--like, like me, as a guy, like, I would listen to the last verse and be like, 'wow . . . like . . . wow.' Y'know what I'm saying? Like, like, it just--it--it's uneasy. Y'know . . . like, I mean, me being--like, like . . .with the uh . . . it just--just--just . . . it's far, man, very vulgar."

Nas' public reaction to Super Ugly, on Fat Man Scoop's radio show, was a stark contrast, sounding all the more confident and unfazed: "When [Jay-Z] put on the Dre beat and started going into my baby moms, I said, 'oh, man, he's pissing her off, and he's really sounding emotional. . . . This is the biggest disrespect he feel like he can do.' He didn't feel like he could come at me with science in his rhymes, he felt like he had to come with disrespect. And I felt like it was disrespect. We all knew it, the whole crew knew it, we was bugging, we was laughing. I called my baby moms, she was laughing. She didn't hear it, but she heard about it. It was like, wow, this dude really overdid it. It was like, okay, this dude, where he's wrong is he's really talking about [my daughter] and this and that. How could you--let's be real, man, I did Ether to him. I got into his soul, and it's obvious that I broke his spirit. He was on the radio the next day with a broken spirit sounding like crazy. . . . I felt sorry for Jay. And I prayed for him, and I asked a few of my peoples to pray for him, because I felt that his spirit was really broken."

A battle is not won or lost on one song, on one side's attack, rather it is decided by the reaction, the counterattack, that the opposition puts up. If I throw a left hook at you, and you hardly move, it cannot be said that my left hook was the winning blow. If I then throw a right jab at your chin, and you fall backwards and to the mat, the right has made me victorious. See, a punch doesn't win or lose by itself, it's how my competitor receives the punch, how it makes him react, that ultimately sways the judges. You can say Ether had a wack beat and corny jokes, you can if you want, but something in those four minutes stung Jay real hard, sent the God MC to the mat. His reaction to the brutal slow-burn body shot that was Ether was a rushed freestyle named Super Ugly, a soon-forgotten studio scrap named Euro Jay, and an appearance on Hot 97, where all the normal Jay-Z charisma and energy had wilted away, until, finally, defeat sat in. At that moment, the ether mixture had reached its most explosive point.

 02-24-2007, 02:03 PM         #77
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Thats poetry!

Thats how you end a thread!

Same way, the way cam keep rapping, he ended his own.

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 12 years ago '06        #78
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 A.O. said
Still nobody has pointed out any lies...

I mean people be real fast to say "ether is hot but its all lies", but i dont see them.

As far as the bi*ch comment. Just because he made a song "Sisters and bi*ches" doesnt mean he didnt switch up his whole style. Listen to Kingdom come, you hear him say "lady" "chick" "female" but never bi*ch no more.

He went from "Can i get A" to "Excuse me miss"
from "Hey papi" to "Crazy in love"

ether that sh*t to make your soul burn slow.

Then you go down the list...

"JJ Evans gunned up and clapped quick" - No homo but hov look like JJ a lil bit.

"How many more biggie rhymes gonna come out ya phat lips" - True

"1st biggies ya man then you got the nerve to say that you better than big" - true!

Im a fan of both, but on the real there were more lies on takeover than on Ether.

"Fell from top 10 to not mentioned at all" - lie
"Ya bodyguard oochie wally verse better than yours" - Lie
"I showed you your first tec on tour with large professor" - Lie
extra p said yea hov held them down in a incident, but is that really the first time nas saw a gun, come on.!

"1 hot album every ten year average" - lie
"I am" "IWW" "Illmatic" thats already 3 hot joints in 10 years.

Come on people lets get it together. Dont just go around sayin "Ether is hot but its all lies" without Ether. jay woulda never retired. Without ether jayz wouldnt have made 100 diss songs going on the radio every day after ether getting a new "i hate nas" song on the radio. He wouldnt have went on vacation and gave cam the ammo wit them open toe slippers.

a fan of both, prefer nas more tho...
Crazy in love is beyonce's song stupid

 02-24-2007, 02:24 PM         #79
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 rblivewire327 said
Crazy in love is beyonce's song stupid

Did Jay-z rap on it?

 02-24-2007, 03:03 PM         #80
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 A.O. said
So i dont know what to say.


You said enough...

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Originally Posted by rblivewire327
- Compared to Beans you wack
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- Eminem murdered u on ur own sh*t
- True story.- -Says you

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- I rock hoes, yall rock fellas
Thats a diss playing on his companys name- -How would Nas know unless he fu*k one of them dudes this line is to Amachie to think about

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- pop sh*t apologize later
True story it happened with the beanie and kiss beef.

Where do you get that Jay said anything to Kiss Beans apologized to Kiss and Kiss did the same.

- I got this locked since 9-1, I am the truest
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- You seem to be only concerned with dissin women
Look at hovs swagger since ether, he hasnt called not 1 girl a bi*ch on a track.\- -The n*gga made a song called bi*ches and Sisters on the very next album.

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-And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame -
True story, go to hiphopgame and look it up, its in the archives they said that the whole stabbing was fake it was to promote vol.3- -No it wasnt the n*ggas had beef and Jay stabbed the n*gga.

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Queens n*ggas run you n*ggas, ask Russell Simmons -
True story, Russell Simmons is the CEO from def jam, he is from queens, and he distributes rocafella records.- -No he wasnt not at the time of this song it was Lyor Cohen

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- Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
"Gave you prophecy on my first joint, and ya all laid out, didnt appreciate it til the 2nd one came out, then i X'd your name out"
remember jay sampling nas voice on RD, and Vol.1 and then no more after vol.1.- -Jay didnt make the beats the producer did.


- All lies

 02-24-2007, 05:03 PM         #81
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 Black_Deuce said


AGE you dumb fu*k
if i'm dumb your mothers one IQ point above a house plant

u and that other kid gotta be the only idiots to think he says age, the sh*t makes no sense at all. age? he died of age? get the fu*k outta here numbnuts.


reply, dont reply, couldnt care less im done

 02-24-2007, 05:14 PM         #82
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what are you retarded? of course he died of age if he hadn't something would be fu*king wrong.... that's the whole point of it, because jay is always saying he's immortal, eternal or some sh*t like that in a song and Nas came back using their label's name against them to say same sh*t is going to happen to them don't you get it? he said the roc would get old like rockefeller and die. what happened later? the Roc CRUMBLED jeezus why the fu*k would he even say aids sh*t wouldn't make any sense

 02-24-2007, 06:02 PM         #83
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The n*gga said Aids add that to the lies Nas is pus*y. Jay won.

 12 years ago '04        #84
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Either was good but I don't think it was better then Takeover.

 12 years ago '06        #85
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 MeDoUbLeZ said
Either was good but I don't think it was better then Takeover.
I'm going to be honest. I didn't think Takeover was all that either. It wasn't the songs themselves. It was two of NY's most respected MCs going for the crown. People didn't expect Nas to come back with what he came back with. Especially when everybody was saying he fell off. Let's not forget, Ether was changed 5 times before the album version was decided on. I remember Nas saying Columbia made him change the song 5 times, because it was too harsh.

 12 years ago '04        #86
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nas got mad and took it to far.....

jay got at the mobb and nas on takeover.....

but yea ether was fire...some false lines, some true...

i like the takeover beat better....

but when jay released got urself a gun, i thought that went pretty hard.... sounded like he was spittin straight facts..

 12 years ago '05        #87
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 thaillest719 said
Jay apoligized to Kiss cause he didnt want no more death in hip hop so you should give him credit for that.

Then on Russell Simmons being from Queens and running Jay and the Roc. What does NAS OWN?????????? Nothing, how you goin diss somebody for owning a company and you dont.

Jay did call women bi*ches after ether came out do you not listein to music. He mad a song telling the difference between a woman and a bi*ch.

And the last thing about him wanting to be on everyone of his classic i explained that eariler.

Really Listein to music and dont just skim through it.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
dont worry in like 10 years everyone will notice
jay-z > nas

 02-24-2007, 08:33 PM         #88
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 cashrules93 said
if i'm dumb your mothers one IQ point above a house plant

u and that other kid gotta be the only idiots to think he says age, the sh*t makes no sense at all. age? he died of age? get the fu*k outta here numbnuts.


reply, dont reply, couldnt care less im done
LMAO @ an old man not dying of age

you lost worse than jay

 02-24-2007, 09:40 PM         #89
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Ether Was Full Of Gay Jokes And sh*t. n*gga Had A Homo Mind. Then On Top He Dissed Dame.......DAME DONT RAP

 12 years ago '05        #90
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 Black_Deuce said


The album dropped 6 months after his first album, most of the tracks were salvaged from I Am
wait...what album dropped 6 months after his first one?...b/c Illmatic dropped in '94...It Was Written dropped in '96...thats a 2 yr difference youngn...

and it doesnt matter what the cause is or was...Nastradomus is wack...thats his fault...he put out that garbage...

personally i think everybody need to thank jay for waking up nas

 12 years ago '06        #91
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 knockz said
The n*gga said Aids add that to the lies Nas is pus*y. Jay won.
Its called a Pun you prepubesant, cabbage patch retard..

 02-25-2007, 05:39 AM         #92
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 siggiddy said
wait...what album dropped 6 months after his first one?...b/c Illmatic dropped in '94...It Was Written dropped in '96...thats a 2 yr difference youngn...

and it doesnt matter what the cause is or was...Nastradomus is wack...thats his fault...he put out that garbage...

personally i think everybody need to thank jay for waking up nas
It was written is a classic record. your talkin about nastradamus, which was released not but 6 moths after I Am

 02-25-2007, 05:53 AM         #93
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 siggiddy said
wait...what album dropped 6 months after his first one?...b/c Illmatic dropped in '94...It Was Written dropped in '96...thats a 2 yr difference youngn...

and it doesnt matter what the cause is or was...Nastradomus is wack...thats his fault...he put out that garbage...

personally i think everybody need to thank jay for waking up nas

nastradamus was released 6 months after I am and it is his worst cd but far from wack. Have you ever even listened to it?

 02-25-2007, 06:25 AM         #94
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go grab some fu*kin tissues doggie

 02-25-2007, 07:52 AM         #95
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Please close this its all opinion on who you like better anyways so thats who side your going to take for the most part right?

 02-25-2007, 08:18 AM         #96
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 ZAFT said
The ones I highlighted i'm 100% sure that they are real. I mean, it's obvious that Em k!lled jay on that track. Plus, there is so much proof that Jay hits women and he's a bit of a stan because he wanted to copy the sound Nas had with the impact Illmatic had. Jay even qouted Nas that says enough

Go suck his d*ck, groupie!
we have a hater here theres no proof that he hits women theres a clip with him playing around with his homegirl.

 02-25-2007, 08:23 AM         #97
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 ItIsWhatItIs said
jay did get k!lled on renegade and every song he has wit beans, beans overshadow em like qrazy, samething wit az and nas, az always come out on top when they did a song together...
this can't be life? daddy where have u been? parking lot pimping? change da game? r.o.c.? reservoir dawgs? lol at u haters

 12 years ago '05        #98
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While Yall runnin around complainin bout summer jam
i was in flip flops in the south of france

 02-25-2007, 08:58 AM         #99
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word up. its all lies. jayz and nas r both 2 fake a.ss swagga jackin n*ggas. now they best friends. AHHAHAHAAA. dipset fool!!

 02-25-2007, 09:31 AM         #100
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Brace yourself for the main event
Y'all impatiently waitin
It's like an AIDS test, what's the results?
Not positive, who's the best? Pac, Nas and Big
Ain't no best, East, West, North, South, flossed out, greedy
I embrace y'all with napalm
Blows up, no guts, left chest, face gone (Not dissing anyone)

How could Nas be garbage?
Semi-autos at your cartilege
Burner at the side of your dome, come outta my throne
I got this, locked since '9-1
I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain't influenced (he had nothing locked in '91, biggie, pac, big l, big pun, busta just to name a few he aint influence so lie no. 1

Gave y'all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas (Read other italized message)
With Hawaiin Sophie fame, kept my name in his music (Jay said nothing bout him on Hawaiin Sophie fame so lie no.2
Check it

[Chorus]

[talking]
Ay yo, pass me the weed, pour my ashes out on these n*ggas man (no doubt)
Ay, y'all f*g**ts, y'all kneel and kiss the fu*kin ring

[Chorus]

I've been fu*ked over, left for dead, dissed and fogotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just p!ss on me, sh*t on me, spit on my grave
(uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face
Y'all some well wishin (bi*ches), friendly actin envy hidin snakes
With your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take?
When these streets keep callin, heard it when I was sleep (LOL)

That this Gay-Z and c*ckafella Records wanted beef (Nas threw the first shot at Bleek on Nastradamus
Started c*ckin up my weapon, slowly loadin up this ammo (he aint loading shyt up
To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle (Beans went on Hot97 publicly diss Nas in rhyme form and he never responded since
This for dolo and his manuscript just sound stupid (Lies and hate blueprint was hot.)
When KRS already made an album called "Blueprint"(KRS album was the blueprint of hip-hop and krs himself said Jay won because his shyt was mostly facts and that hurts more then just rambling)

First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big (Makes no sense, Bleek is Jay man but there would be nothing wrong with Jay saying he better then Bleek. Just cuz u say u better then someone that means yall aint friends?)
d*ck suckin lips (so gay), whyn't you let the late, great veteran live

[talking]
(I...will...not...lose)
"God's son" across the belly, I prove you lost already
The king is back, where my crown at? (When was he ever KONY)
(Ill...will) Ill Will rest in peace, let's do it n*ggas

[Chorus]

Y'all n*ggas deal with emotions like bi*ches
What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches (Wheres the proof?)
My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watchin his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissin women (Nas disses woman and you gonna call a bi*ch a bi*ch and a real women a real women)
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
Well life is harsh, hug me, (kinda guy)
don't reject me
or make records to disrespect me, blatant or indirectly
In '88 you was gettin chased through your buildin
Callin my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers (They aint even know each other then...Read Nas baby moms book in it he was like Jay-Z supposed to be this big hustler but I NEVER heard of him before)

All I did was gave you a style for you to run with
Smilin in my face, glad to break bread with the god (Lies. You can say Jay stole Biggie style or even Big L but Nas's style? and They aint break bread together so what the hell is he talking bout glad to break bread?)

Wearin Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars (All lies. Jay had bread back in the day he put up $65,000 to battle Big L and L aint have the money and aint wanna a.ssbet)
No jail bars (Jigga never said he got locked up- so this makes no sense either) Jigga, no pies, (anyone from the borough know Jay was a hustler for real) no case
Just Hawaiian shirts, hangin with little Chase
You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pus*y, a Stan
I still whip your a.ss, you thirty-six in a karate class
You Tae-bo hoe,(He wasn't 36 at the time and he was in boxing not karate or tae bo)
tryna' work it out, you tryna' get brolic?
Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledge
Nah, (Another lie Nas always trying to kick knowledge-I can't sound smart or yall a run away-Hip-Hop is dead tho i walk through the valley song no. 12)
I'm tryna' kick the sh*t you need to learn though
That ether, that sh*t that make your soul burn slow
Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy (this shyt was mad funny tho)

Rockefeller died of AIDS, that was the end of his chapter
And that's the guy y'all chose to name your company after? (From what I found it is unspecified exactly what he died from so it could be true but it could be a lie)

Put it together, I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas (Jay and A.I. was rocking his hoe so what is he saying that his hoe is really a fella?)
And now y'all try to take my spot, fellas? (Nas wasn't on top and Jay only wants the top spot yet another lie)
Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas
Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss (Unsure of how true this is)
What you think, you gettin girls now 'cause of your looks? (this like the 3rd or 4th time he talking bout the man looks-suspect don't u think?)
Ne-gro please
You no mustache havin, with whiskers like a rat
Compared to Beans you wack (All opnion)
And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame (His man aint make him take the blame he didn't want to snitch so yet another lie)
You a.ss, went from Jaz to hangin with Kane, to Irv, to Big (And this makes him a.ss because he is popular?)
And, Eminem murdered you on your own sh*t (Again all opinion and I rather Eminem merk me then my bodyguard)
You a d*ck-ridin f*g**t, you love the attention
Queens n*ggas run you n*ggas, ask Russell Simmons (Russell wasn't owner of Def Jam at that time and if you look into the history of rap Brooklyn been running this rap shyt)
Ha, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick
J.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quick
Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick
Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz d*ck (Jay was given the name Jay-Z he aint make it up)
So little shorty's gettin gunned up and clapped quick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips?
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics (At this point and time Nas only had one classic-illmatic- every last one means more then one)
You pop sh*t, apologize, n*gga, just ask Kiss

there u go close thread its mostly lies and the parts that aren't lies aren't really disses

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