Lies in Ether what are they?

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 11 years ago '05        #61
Meeko 
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The TRUTH is now Nas is one of Jay's wh0ores on his label. It doesn't matter who won the battle. Jay won the war.

I swear Nas fans are as loyal as Eminem Stans. My boy tried to convince me that Nastradamas was a good album the other day.
 02-24-2007, 01:38 AM         #62
Gz Up  OP
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styles p-time is money in stores now
 02-24-2007, 03:22 AM         #63
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 rblivewire327 said:
- Compared to Beans you wack
- Eminem murdered u on ur own sh*t

- I rock hoes, yall rock fellas
- whiskers like a rat
- pop sh*t apologize later
- I got this locked since 9-1, I am the truest

- You seem to be only concerned with dissin women
- You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pus*y, and stan
-Philly's hot rock fellas, put you in a dry spot, fellas
In a pine box with nine shots from my glock, fellas
-And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
- Queens n*ggas run you n*ggas, ask Russell Simmons
- Wanted to be on every last one of my classics


- All lies
Those are true...

The others can go either way
 11 years ago '04        #64
D1nOnlyMrM@ 43 heat pts43
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i like both of em. J is like that n*gga that always says some bogus type sh*t like...one of ya boys that be like " I juz copped me a bentley" and you doubt him, but then the n*gga really has a bently...and nas is that n*gga thats smart to the point where you dont argue with him... I mean...2 b honest none of us grew up with either, so lets not judge takeover or ether.
 11 years ago '06        #65
Menelek 5 heat pts
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Anyone who thinks ether is a whack diss record is out of their mind.
As Far as Ether having liies and opinions so did Takeover.

remember lines like I showed you your first Teck
Dude, Nas lived in Queens Bridge.

One hot album every Ten years.
Pure opinion.

Nas dont want it with Hov/Noo haha
Funny Yes. But Ether ended that.

They both did it. BUt Ether did damage.
Bleek even said him and Jay thought he came back Hard.

Hannibal Whiskers like a rat.. Look at Jays Mustache
Pop sh*t then Appologize Just ask Kiss.. Truth..
He even appologized for Super Ugly
Russel Simmons runs you n*ggas...At the Time It Was True .Russ was CEO
Em murdered you on your Own sh*t..Opinion but Ppl were saying that Before Nas did.
Compared to Beens You whack..Opinion Yes. but Arguable esp on tracks they was on together...

Bottom Line Hov fans use that, "Ehther was all lies" as a Cop out.

I think they were both dope records.
 02-24-2007, 10:58 AM         #66
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 ZAFT said:
It's real, otherwise Jay wouldn't react the way he did.

@ d*ckriders claiming that it's all lies
Maybe!
 02-24-2007, 10:59 AM         #67
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 D.C. said:
Those are true...

The others can go either way
What are u serious
 11 years ago '06        #68
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 siggiddy said:

2- He Did Have The Worse Verse...matter fact...the song was wack period
Why does everybody make a big deal about Oochie Wally? It's not even a Nas song, it's a Braveheart song. Nas ain't even on the orignal/album version. The only reason he even got on the track was to help them out. Otherwise, they would've got zero spins. Of course he wasn't going to have an out of this world verse. It's the Bravehearts, why would he waste his talent on that?
 02-24-2007, 11:28 AM         #69
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 cashrules93 said:
Nas says Rockerfeller died of AIDS.....????????

that always came across to me as a blatant mistake. i'd be willin to bet money he was thinkin of rock hudson
AGE you dumb fu*k
 02-24-2007, 11:30 AM         #70
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 siggiddy said:

4- Compare Illmatic & It Was Writtin' To I Am & Nastradomus...his style was completely different...
IMO!
The album dropped 6 months after his first album, most of the tracks were salvaged from I Am
 02-24-2007, 11:33 AM         #71
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nas was more hurt by takeover then jay was by ether

jay-z after ether = best rapper alive
nas after ether = lame and forgotten (untill hov signed him to defjam)
 02-24-2007, 11:34 AM         #72
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Y do n*ggas say that nas is one of jayz label wh0ores, but nobody is bright enough to notice that Nas is on Def Jam, and Not on roc-a-fella. So after this year or next year, when they realized Jayz cant run the label, he will no longer be the president of def jam, and nas will still be on def jam, so whats the point of pointing out that nas is signed to def jam.

Bottom Line Hov fans use that, "Ehther was all lies" as a Cop out.
Thats the truth!
 02-24-2007, 11:34 AM         #73
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 MissLoveOne said:
Why does everybody make a big deal about Oochie Wally? It's not even a Nas song, it's a Braveheart song. Nas ain't even on the orignal/album version. The only reason he even got on the track was to help them out. Otherwise, they would've got zero spins. Of course he wasn't going to have an out of this world verse. It's the Bravehearts, why would he waste his talent on that?
Makes it even worse to know that.
 02-24-2007, 11:35 AM         #74
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 DM AKA ILLVILLE said:
nas was more hurt by takeover then jay was by ether

jay-z after ether = best rapper alive - Opinion
nas after ether = lame and forgotten (untill hov signed him to defjam) - Opinion
You understand that?
 02-24-2007, 11:37 AM         #75
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props to A.O. cuz hes one of the smartest rap fans on this site, even after only seeing 385 of his posts I got mad respect for his knowledge


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 02-24-2007, 11:46 AM         #76
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The most common complaints leveled against Ether are that the beat sucks and Nas takes the homophobic insults a bit overboard. Well, yeah, the beat sucks (though because of how anthemic the song has become, it transcends Ron Brownz cheap production), and "Gay-Z and c*ckafella" aren't exactly the world's most astute disses. However, there are more than enough good shots to satisfy even the staunchest ammo aficionado. In addition, Ether is not all punchlines, rather it has proven to be more a biting psychological critique, especially seen in detailing several key points:

1) Jay-Z's obsession with Nas
"You been on my d*ck, n*gga, you love my style . . . With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music . . . . . . You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pus*y, a Stan . . . Wanted to be on every last one of my classics"

From sampling Nas on Dead Presidents, from sampling Nas on Rap Game-Crack Game, from referencing Nas on Sunshine, from referencing Nas on Where I'm From, from asking Nas to redo the hook on Dead Presidents, from asking Nas to appear in the video for Dead Presidents (where Jay apparently contacted E Money Bags to get at the Illmatic MC, "calling my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers"), the obsession had previously been a relatively guarded secret, but, with Ether, Nas put it on blast for the whole world to see. Many people have said that the verse from Takeover was directed at Nas almost from the point of view of a fan. In this context, that evaluation makes perfect sense.

2) Jay-Z's relationship with Biggie
"First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big . . . How much of Biggie's rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips?"

From using Biggie's lyrics on a handful of songs, including a couple of his most notable, and even the very first track on Blueprint, Jay-Z has consistently crowded the border between homage and exploitation. A quote here or there is cool if they had a relationship like that, but, from all apparent sources, especially the current Reasonable Doubt XXL issue, while there may have been a mutual respect, the deep friendship that Jay continually portrays seems to have been more fiction than fact. What's more, on the song Hola Hovito, from Blueprint, Jay boldly stated, "if I ain't better than Big, I'm the closest one." Beyond having to rely on the late-great's lyrics at times, how are you going to say something like that when a) you're supposed to have been boys b) Big's not alive to cosign.

Moreover, there's a parallel between these first two attacks of Ether. Ready To Die came out in 1994, along with Illmatic. In that class of New York MCs, it was Biggie and Nas, alongside Raekwon and Ghostface too. Jay-Z then established himself in 1996, like an underclassmen, an upstart outsider, whose desire for greatness and simultaneous insecurity always made him want to hang with the older crowd and be accepted on their level. If we read into this theory, that explains Jay constantly wanting to partner with Nas and be seen as an equal with Biggie. It was the one way he felt he could belong; this then ties in to Ether's overall third point.

3) Jay-Z's Insecurity
"You a.ss went from Jaz to hanging with Kane, to Irv, to Big . . . You a d*ck-riding f*g**t, you love the attention"

In subsequent interviews from around the time of Stillmatic, Nas took shots at Jay and how he, Nas, didn't need to put out an album every year, have a song out every summer. Implying that Jay's flooding the market was born out of some great insecurity, Nas focused in on a suspect pattern in Jay-Z's behavior, as also mentioned above. However laudable or forgettable his output might have been, by jumping on whatever was hot at the moment and would keep his name in the air, we see almost a deep streak of personal inadequacy in Jay-Z's actions, the brand of poor self-esteem that overcompensates with overconfidence, a career based on chasing the cool. It's the type of shaky demeanor that may make it appear a necessity to be on the dial every second, forcing oneself onto the street's ear at every chance. So whereas Nas planned out a patient attack that saw months go by between Takeover and Ether, Jay-Z couldn't rest. He couldn't be satisfied with letting the battle end there. Instead, he rushed out not one but two responses. In the final score, it was this insecurity that eventually lost the battle.

Jay-Z's two responses were both failing attempts to try and rationalize with fans why he wouldn't lose, to try and convince himself that he hadn't lost already. Unfortunately, for him, Super Ugly, the "I slept with your baby's mother" freestyle, only further served as evidence of an obsessive relationship with Nas, and Euro Jay, a no-names-mentioned production released at the same time, played once and then dropped out of the conversation for good. In comparison with the songs that preceded it, it was just that forgettable. However, arguably the lowest point for Jay came after a Hot 97 radio poll, where listeners declared Ether the victor over Super Ugly. With the Brooklyn rapper coincidentally in studio on Angie Martinez's show, right after the results were announced, Martinez asked, "if you weren't you, would you think Ether was a hot joint?" Often taking long pauses or stuttering, Jay's answer was completely absent of his usual confidence, "Um . . . I would be a little--like, like me, as a guy, like, I would listen to the last verse and be like, 'wow . . . like . . . wow.' Y'know what I'm saying? Like, like, it just--it--it's uneasy. Y'know . . . like, I mean, me being--like, like . . .with the uh . . . it just--just--just . . . it's far, man, very vulgar."

Nas' public reaction to Super Ugly, on Fat Man Scoop's radio show, was a stark contrast, sounding all the more confident and unfazed: "When [Jay-Z] put on the Dre beat and started going into my baby moms, I said, 'oh, man, he's pissing her off, and he's really sounding emotional. . . . This is the biggest disrespect he feel like he can do.' He didn't feel like he could come at me with science in his rhymes, he felt like he had to come with disrespect. And I felt like it was disrespect. We all knew it, the whole crew knew it, we was bugging, we was laughing. I called my baby moms, she was laughing. She didn't hear it, but she heard about it. It was like, wow, this dude really overdid it. It was like, okay, this dude, where he's wrong is he's really talking about [my daughter] and this and that. How could you--let's be real, man, I did Ether to him. I got into his soul, and it's obvious that I broke his spirit. He was on the radio the next day with a broken spirit sounding like crazy. . . . I felt sorry for Jay. And I prayed for him, and I asked a few of my peoples to pray for him, because I felt that his spirit was really broken."

A battle is not won or lost on one song, on one side's attack, rather it is decided by the reaction, the counterattack, that the opposition puts up. If I throw a left hook at you, and you hardly move, it cannot be said that my left hook was the winning blow. If I then throw a right jab at your chin, and you fall backwards and to the mat, the right has made me victorious. See, a punch doesn't win or lose by itself, it's how my competitor receives the punch, how it makes him react, that ultimately sways the judges. You can say Ether had a wack beat and corny jokes, you can if you want, but something in those four minutes stung Jay real hard, sent the God MC to the mat. His reaction to the brutal slow-burn body shot that was Ether was a rushed freestyle named Super Ugly, a soon-forgotten studio scrap named Euro Jay, and an appearance on Hot 97, where all the normal Jay-Z charisma and energy had wilted away, until, finally, defeat sat in. At that moment, the ether mixture had reached its most explosive point.
 02-24-2007, 02:03 PM         #77
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Thats poetry!

Thats how you end a thread!

Same way, the way cam keep rapping, he ended his own.

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 11 years ago '06        #78
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 A.O.™ said:
Still nobody has pointed out any lies...

I mean people be real fast to say "ether is hot but its all lies", but i dont see them.

As far as the bi*ch comment. Just because he made a song "Sisters and bi*ches" doesnt mean he didnt switch up his whole style. Listen to Kingdom come, you hear him say "lady" "chick" "female" but never bi*ch no more.

He went from "Can i get A" to "Excuse me miss"
from "Hey papi" to "Crazy in love"

ether that sh*t to make your soul burn slow.

Then you go down the list...

"JJ Evans gunned up and clapped quick" - No homo but hov look like JJ a lil bit.

"How many more biggie rhymes gonna come out ya phat lips" - True

"1st biggies ya man then you got the nerve to say that you better than big" - true!

Im a fan of both, but on the real there were more lies on takeover than on Ether.

"Fell from top 10 to not mentioned at all" - lie
"Ya bodyguard oochie wally verse better than yours" - Lie
"I showed you your first tec on tour with large professor" - Lie
extra p said yea hov held them down in a incident, but is that really the first time nas saw a gun, come on.!

"1 hot album every ten year average" - lie
"I am" "IWW" "Illmatic" thats already 3 hot joints in 10 years.

Come on people lets get it together. Dont just go around sayin "Ether is hot but its all lies" without Ether. jay woulda never retired. Without ether jayz wouldnt have made 100 diss songs going on the radio every day after ether getting a new "i hate nas" song on the radio. He wouldnt have went on vacation and gave cam the ammo wit them open toe slippers.

a fan of both, prefer nas more tho...
Crazy in love is beyonce's song stupid
 02-24-2007, 02:24 PM         #79
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 rblivewire327 said:
Crazy in love is beyonce's song stupid

Did Jay-z rap on it?
 02-24-2007, 03:03 PM         #80
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 A.O.™ said:
So i dont know what to say.


You said enough...

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Originally Posted by rblivewire327
- Compared to Beans you wack
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- Eminem murdered u on ur own sh*t
- True story.- -Says you

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- I rock hoes, yall rock fellas
Thats a diss playing on his companys name- -How would Nas know unless he fu*k one of them dudes this line is to Amachie to think about

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- pop sh*t apologize later
True story it happened with the beanie and kiss beef.

Where do you get that Jay said anything to Kiss Beans apologized to Kiss and Kiss did the same.

- I got this locked since 9-1, I am the truest
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- You seem to be only concerned with dissin women
Look at hovs swagger since ether, he hasnt called not 1 girl a bi*ch on a track.\- -The n*gga made a song called bi*ches and Sisters on the very next album.

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-And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame -
True story, go to hiphopgame and look it up, its in the archives they said that the whole stabbing was fake it was to promote vol.3- -No it wasnt the n*ggas had beef and Jay stabbed the n*gga.

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Queens n*ggas run you n*ggas, ask Russell Simmons -
True story, Russell Simmons is the CEO from def jam, he is from queens, and he distributes rocafella records.- -No he wasnt not at the time of this song it was Lyor Cohen

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- Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
"Gave you prophecy on my first joint, and ya all laid out, didnt appreciate it til the 2nd one came out, then i X'd your name out"
remember jay sampling nas voice on RD, and Vol.1 and then no more after vol.1.- -Jay didnt make the beats the producer did.


- All lies
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