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 06-29-2007, 04:31 PM         #481
texasplayboy_23  OP
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 BoSox84 said:
Let the Raiders sign Pacman, they like the troublemakers right? As far as LJ, I say we hold on to Flozell Adams and both of our first round picks, than go after McFadden in the draft next year
Yup...I've never been this excited about a draft before the season even starts.
 10 years ago '05        #482
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Imma try to make it to the Philly Dallas game
 06-29-2007, 07:17 PM         #483
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 Melo_15_Jesus said:
Skip Bayless Is My Daddy
I'll Die For My Daddy
I Love My Daddy
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 06-29-2007, 09:39 PM         #484
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 Jaiden05 said:
Imma try to make it to the Philly Dallas game
I've watched them at training camp when they use to practice in Austin...years ago...the triplets were still together. That's about it. I've never been to one of their games the entire time I grew up in Texas. Damn shame.
 10 years ago '05        #485
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 texasplayboy_23 said:
I've watched them at training camp when they use to practice in Austin...years ago...the triplets were still together. That's about it. I've never been to one of their games the entire time I grew up in Texas. Damn shame.


This duke I work with pitched the idea now I can't wait. Them ticket start at 44 bux. the only bad thing is he a Philly fan and I ain't finna sit by my self lol. I can see me in the Philly seat cheer leading from the bleacher getting ready to get k!lled lol.
 06-29-2007, 11:47 PM         #486
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 Jaiden05 said:
This duke I work with pitched the idea now I can't wait. Them ticket start at 44 bux. the only bad thing is he a Philly fan and I ain't finna sit by my self lol. I can see me in the Philly seat cheer leading from the bleacher getting ready to get k!lled lol.
Hell nah...you better make him get a ticket in the visiting seats with you.
 10 years ago '05        #487
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 texasplayboy_23 said:
Hell nah...you better make him get a ticket in the visiting seats with you.


I know right trying to get my lil a.ss k!lled lol..... I see it now T.O. scores first drive... I stand " HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS" the whole stadium's noise stops completely and the a.ss kicking starts LOL
 06-30-2007, 01:01 AM         #488
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gay thread :thumbsdow
 06-30-2007, 06:00 AM         #489
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 Black_Deuce said:
gay post :D
...just when you think you know people. To each is own I guess.








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 10 years ago '05        #490
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Marion Barber III or Julius Jones: Who da man?

Barber or Jones? Jones or Barber? Double J or Marion the Third? With the possible exception of Tony Romo and Carrie Underwood, no Dallas couple generates as much discussion as the Cowboys' two young running backs. With Bill Parcells basking in retirement (again), the slate should be wiped clean, and both players will be looking to stake their claim as the featured running back in new coordinator Jason Garrett's offense.

In offseason workouts thus far, Jones has worked with the first team ... when he's been around. Although he's attended minicamps, Jones elected to skip organized team activities in favor of working out on his own. That clearly can't endear him to new coach Wade Phillips, and it's particularly odd given that Jones is entering the final year of his rookie contract.

As you surely know, Barber exploded as a fantasy player last season, scoring 16 total touchdowns, including 14 on the ground. He scored in 11 of 16 games despite averaging only 8.5 carries per game. Jones wasn't a total slouch, as he posted his first 1,000-yard season, but he scored only four touchdowns and had just one 100-yard performance in the final 11 games of the regular season.

In fantasy terms, Barber kicked Jones' rear end all over the school yard last season. But who is the better player? Let's turn to the stat sheet to find out.

Last season, Jones averaged 4.1 yards per carry, while Barber's YPC was 4.8. That's a glaring difference, and not just for the obvious reasons. Barber actually had a handicap in this category because he received more carries in short-yardage situations. In fact, if you remove just the touchdowns from three yards out and in, Barber's YPC swells to 5.1, and Jones' ... well, he didn't score any short-yardage touchdowns.

One of the main reasons why Jones trails Barber in yards-per-carry is his propensity for getting stuffed behind the line of scrimmage. According to STATS Inc., Barber was stuffed just six times in 135 carries, and his .044 stuff percentage was the second-best mark in the NFL. In stark contrast, Jones was stuffed 26 times in 267 carries, producing a .097 rate that was among the very worst in the game.

Jones also averaged only 4.0 yards per carry on first-and-10 situations -- again, one of the very worst marks in the league. And for all of the talk about his big-play ability, Jones, in those 267 carries, had just five runs of 20 yards or more, one more than Barber (135 carries), Wali Lundy (124) and Vernand Morency (91).

The line being spun by Jones -- and his supporters -- is that Parcells forced him to "run like a robot," and didn't allow him to use his running instincts. Whether it would be a good or bad thing if Jones started "running with his instincts" is open for debate, but this sure sounds like sour grapes. Remember, it was Parcells who made the decision to pass on Steven Jackson and draft (many would say overdraft) Jones in the second round in 2004.

The bottom line here is that Barber is a better, more complete running back than Jones. On an even playing field, which you'd expect under a new head coach, the cream should rise to the top. Even if it doesn't, Barber should still get the bulk of the goal-line carries. Another 16-touchdown season is unlikely, but double-digit scores is a reasonable expectation, and if he ends up getting the lion's share of the work, he could easily be a top-10 performer in fantasy. As for Jones, it's really difficult to imagine him doing better than 1,200 yards and eight touchdowns even in a best-case scenario.

Hmm ... I can almost sense the ESPN Conversation:

"OK Ravitz, we get it. Barber is the better player, and the one with higher ceiling, and the one with less risk, and the one who helps old ladies across the street. So why, in the name of Tony Dorsett did you draft Jones in the ESPN Fantasy Football magazine mock?"

I'm glad you asked. In our preseason running back rankings, Barber came in at No. 21, and Jones was ranked 33. In our mock draft, Barber went in Round 3, 29th overall and 20th among running backs. I took Jones in Round 7, with the 78th overall pick, after 34 other running backs came off the board. To win a fantasy football league, you have to be lucky and good, and you can't afford to pass up value.

Barber should be very good this season, but you're going to have to pay full price to get him. Based on our league, taking Barber probably means passing up on someone like Carson Palmer, Antonio Gates or Donald Driver. Taking Jones means passing up Braylon Edwards, Chris Cooley or Baltimore's defense.

Without question, Barber is the better player, but it's possible that Jones might be the better value on draft day.

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 07-02-2007, 02:34 PM         #491
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^^^That basically explains every Cowboy fan's argument since this Barber vs. Jones thing started. I hope the coaches go into training camp with the idea that one of them will have to win the starting job rather than just keep Julius as the starter.
 10 years ago '05        #492
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 texasplayboy_23 said:
^^^That basically explains every Cowboy fan's argument since this Barber vs. Jones thing started. I hope the coaches go into training camp with the idea that one of them will have to win the starting job rather than just keep Julius as the starter.


LOL.... BUT " but coach tuna told me to run like a robot" lol this chump someone throw up a college highlight tape so I can see why he wanted him
 10 years ago '04        #493
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theres a process to this running back thing.If they just yank Jones out of the line up it will start controversy in the back field.So u do it in a slow process.We saw what Barber can do last year so work him in more this year.Let jones start but after a couple games start giving more carries to barber and less to jones and everybody will have to agree to start Barber towards the second half of the season.U need no off-season problems and this would start problems they don't need.Barber will be starting this year by the 9th week.
 07-02-2007, 09:18 PM         #494
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By then it would be too late. These cats are football players and should all understand the competitive aspect of it. The coaching staff is new for the most part, so there's a clean slate and everyone needs to play like they want to keep their job. Julius is no exception to the rule. Players have been getting yanked from starting positions for decades, it's nothing new....you stop playing like you're hungry, oh well, some other hungry cat will take your spot.:sh*thappe
 07-02-2007, 10:06 PM         #495
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 texasplayboy_23 said:
...just when you think you know people, you find out im gay :D :-P








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 10 years ago '04        #496
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 texasplayboy_23 said:
By then it would be too late. These cats are football players and should all understand the competitive aspect of it. The coaching staff is new for the most part, so there's a clean slate and everyone needs to play like they want to keep their job. Julius is no exception to the rule. Players have been getting yanked from starting positions for decades, it's nothing new....you stop playing like you're hungry, oh well, some other hungry cat will take your spot.:sh*thappe
Who said jones played like he's not hungry.Im not saying go into the situation closed mined like old past coaches but he is the starter and i don't think he did anything drastic to lose that job.Keep him in tell he fu*k up baber will be ready cuz he will be getting carries.Don't hang the man yet because he is still a better all around back then babrer.Just give it time offseason is not the time yet.


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 07-03-2007, 11:55 AM         #497
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 Black_Deuce said:
Copy-cat.




 07-03-2007, 12:04 PM         #498
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texasplayboy + deuce = classic BX arch-rivalry
 07-03-2007, 12:48 PM         #499
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 kc10785 said:
Who said jones played like he's not hungry.Im not saying go into the situation closed mined like old past coaches but he is the starter and i don't think he did anything drastic to lose that job.Keep him in tell he fu*k up baber will be ready cuz he will be getting carries.Don't hang the man yet because he is still a better all around back then babrer.Just give it time offseason is not the time yet.
I didn't say he wasn't hungry either, I said if he isn't hungry he will lose his starting job like anybody else. I was commenting on you talking about it being a slow process when it comes to naming a starter and how you said there would be controversy if Barber were to start. My point was if Barber blows the staff away at mini camp and wins the job, there should be no controversy and it shouldn't be a slow process with making that change in order to avoid controversy.

I'm not sure what games you have been watching, but the majority of the fans (including me) who actually watch the games know that Marion Barber is a better back. Hell, I've watched several games where even the commentators were questioning why Barber isn't getting more and more carries. He holds on to rock, has great vision, runs angry, lowers his shoulder and runs through defenders rather than try to avoid contact, hardly ever goes down after that initial contact and keeps his legs moving when getting wrapped up to gain + yards in short yardage situations. The only thing Jones has on him is speed. Julius claims he wasn't able to make plays the way he wanted to because Parcells "coached" him too much, yet Barber got in the in-zone 14 times with no problem.

Jones is going into his 4th year and has only had a couple 100-yd games. I even remember the time when it was 1st and goal on the 1 yard line against the Lions in '05 and he got stuffed 3 consecutive times. That's how much I pay attention to the games. If he doesn't make it obvious he should be starter in training camp, then Phillips needs to start Barber.

(damn I typed too much)
 07-03-2007, 12:52 PM         #500
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 Black_Deuce said:


texasplayboy + deuce = classic BX arch-rivalry
My nemesis...sh*t will be even worse when the East starts playing each other.:slap:
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