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 2 years ago '04        #11021
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hate to see either go but it looks like Larkin OR Shump will be moved if they can get a 1st rounder....since our cap space for next year won't be as much now, might as well cop some 1st round picks right?
 2 years ago '04        #11022
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i wanna hear...well read thoughts and opinions about this trade (and JUST the trade, not what this might do for 2015 or rumors of people being moved who are included in the trade)
 2 years ago '04        #11023
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Begley

The New York Knicks and Dallas Mavericks have completed a deal to send Raymond Felton and Tyson Chandler to Dallas in exchange for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Shane Larkin, Wayne Ellington and the 34th and 51st picks in the Thursday's draft.

Here is what the deal means for the Knicks:

Good for Melo? One of the primary goals for Carmelo Anthony in free agency is to put himself in a position to win immediately. This trade, on its surface, appears to leave the Knicks in a position to be more competitive than they were before it. Therefore, it might give Melo confidence that the Knicks can at least compete in the East in 2014-15.

As Anthony said in a recent interview, "The average person is looking at it as, 'Next year you win the championship if you go here.' We’re looking at the big picture here now."

How did the Knicks get better in this deal?

Felton struggled on both ends of the floor last season, so the Knicks have upgraded at point guard with Calderon.

Chandler also had a down season -- by his standards -- but the Knicks might be hard pressed to find someone Chandler’s equal when it comes to rebounding and protecting the rim. Dalembert, based on recent seasons, would be a downgrade at the center position from Chandler.

But this trade might have also helped the Knicks in other ways this summer.

Depending on if they decide to waive Dalembert or not, the Knicks might also end up under the salary cap. If they do end up under the cap, they might be able to use a larger exception than the taxpayer exception (which starts at $3 million), which is currently at their disposal, in free agency this summer.

This might help them attract another significant rotation player to New York and, in turn, make Carmelo more apt to re-sign.

It’s worth noting, though, that Anthony and Chandler were close. Still, Anthony had to look at Chandler’s situation and realize that he wasn’t a part of the team’s long-term future. So the notion of Chandler not being around next season shouldn’t sway Anthony greatly -- in terms of his views on re-signing with the Knicks -- one way or another.

That said, could Chandler’s presence in Dallas make the Mavs a more attractive destination for Anthony this summer? We’ll have to wait and see on that.

Phil makes presence felt: Chandler wasn’t happy with how things went last season. Publicly and privately, he expressed his frustration with ex-coach Mike Woodson’s defensive schemes and the idea that the Knicks were about to retool the roster.

So we wouldn’t be surprised if Chandler went to management with his concerns and it, in turn, decided to deal him.

Jackson sending Chandler out a year before his contract ends is a sign that the Zen Master is willing to make major moves to overhaul the team as soon as possible. It’s also a sign that he might be aggressive in making trades and chasing available free agents this summer despite the Knicks’ limited resources.

Any attractive piece he adds this summer could help in courting Carmelo this summer and other free agents in future offseasons.

Cap implications: If the Knicks keep all of the players in this trade, they will have saved $3 million in cap space for 2014-15 but forfeited $5.2 million in cap space in the summer of 2015, when they are expected to chase big-name free agents.

Calderon is under contract through 2016-17 at between $6.7 million and $7.7 million per season. Dalembert’s contract for next season is a team option for $3.8 million. He has $1.8 million in guaranteed money. Ellington is under contract for $2.7 million for 2014-15. Larkin is on a rookie contract through 2017-18.

Felton was on the books through 2015-16, owed a total of $7.6 million. Chandler was under contract through the 2014-15 season for $14.6 million.

Depending on what they do with Dalembert, this deal could save the Knicks between $3 million and $5 million in salary after this transaction. If they decide to cut Dalembert, they could be under the projected salary cap of $63.2 and have a larger salary-cap exception to use in free agency.

It is unclear at this point what their plans are for Dalembert. Also, it’s worth noting the Knicks can immediately trade in a separate deal the players they've received from Dallas. If they don’t trade them immediately, they’d have to wait 60 days to do so, per collective bargaining agreement rules.

What about Calderon? Calderon is a strong shooter but struggles on defense. His shooting can be a big a.sset in the triangle offense and is an upgrade from Felton, who shot 39 percent from the floor last season and just 31 percent from beyond the arc.

Calderon averaged 11.4 points and handed out 4.7 a.ssists last season. He hit 45 percent of his 3s.

Also, as Bleacher Report’s Howard Beck notes, Calderon is close with Memphis Grizzlies center Marc Gasol, who is a free agent in 2015, so Calderon could be counted upon to do some recruiting for the Knicks that summer.

And the picks? The Knicks had been trying to deal for a first-round pick and also hoped to get a second-round pick between 30 and 40. The Knicks might target a big man like Florida’s Patric Young, whom they worked out, with the 34th pick.
 2 years ago '04        #11024
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With Chandler gone, Patric Young might be a good look even though he's an undersized low ball player.
 2 years ago '04        #11025
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Berman

Phil Jackson’s roster overhaul has begun on the eve of the NBA Draft.

The Knicks and Mavericks executed a blockbuster deal Wednesday that sent center Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas for point guard Jose Calderon, shot-blocking center Samuel Dalembert, point guard Shane Larkin, shooting guard Wayne Ellington and two second-round picks.

The Knicks will acquire the No. 34 and 51st picks in Thursday’s draft, but, more importantly, they upgraded their point-guard position and ended the Felton era. That was the priority in getting the veteran Calderon and the young prospect Larkin, who had an injury-marred rookie year after being a first-round pick out of the University of Miami.

The Knicks have decreased their cap space for 2015 by about $5.2 million. Calderon is to make a little more than $7 million per season for the next three years. Larkin will make $1.6 million in 2015. Felton was due $3.9 million in 2015. Interestingly, Felton earlier this week made a plea agreement on his gun charges that will avoid him jail time.

“The journey to build this team for the upcoming season and beyond continues,” Jackson said in statement Wednesday night. “We have added players with this move that will fit right into our system while maintaining future flexibility.’’

Lakers point guard Steve Nash, hosting his soccer showdown on the Lower East Side, told The Post of Calderon: “It’s good. He’s good for the triangle [offense], too. Great shooter. Intelligent player. Brings chemistry and shooting. At the point-guard position, that’s very important.’’

The decrease in cap space for 2015 makes it even more imperative for free-agent-to-be Carmelo Anthony to take less than the maximum salary from the Knicks.

Chandler had expressed uncertainty about his future with the Knicks late in the season, saying both sides had “a lot of decisions” to make. Entering the final year of his pact, he returns to Dallas, where he won a title in 2011, but left as a free agent.

Chandler is scheduled to make $14.6 million this season and saw no future with the club focusing on the 2015 free-agent crop. It is likely he asked to see what Jackson could do on the trade front. Chandler didn’t seem to be the prototype Jackson center for the triangle — which benefits from a low-post, slick-passing big man.

Though their lockers were together, Anthony and Chandler didn’t seem especially close.

The Knicks were desperate to upgrade the point-guard position. The move should give Anthony more hope about the future, as Calderon solidifies their weakest position — though he isn’t known as a stout defender. His career offensive numbers are sweet — 10.2 points, on 47.9-percent shooting — 41.1-percent from 3-point range — and 6.8 a.ssists in 634 games over nine seasons with Raptors, Pistons and Mavericks.

The trade reunites Calderon, a Spaniard, with former Toronto teammate Andrea Bargnani. A source said Bargnani was crushed when Calderon was traded to Detroit in January 2013.

Jackson said earlier this month he would make a move to cut into the 2015 cap space for the right players, and he obviously believes in the Calderon-Larkin package.

“Phil would like to shake things up [in the draft],’’ a league source told The Post Wednesday before the deal was revealed. “He knows the team has to get better. He’s working on it.’’

In Dalembert, Jackson may have acquired a serviceable spot starter. Though he has slid the past couple of years, the 33-year-old 6-foot-11 Haitian averaged 7.8 points on a career-best 56.8-percent shooting, 6.8 rebounds and 1.18 blocks over 20.2 minutes in 80 games (68 starts) last season.

If Jackson waives Dalembert, the Knicks may be in position to possess their $5 million mid-level exception, as opposed to the taxpayer mini-midlevel worth $3.2 million, to sign a free agent in July.

In the draft, the Knicks could take Florida center Patric Young, whom they worked out, with one of their second-round picks. They have also worked out Arizona combo guard Nick Johnson.

The Knicks still have $1.8 million to play with Thursday to attempt a first-round move, with shooting guard P.J. Hairston a potential target, but it’s unlikely.

Larkin, the son of Cincinnati Reds great Barry Larkin, played in just 48 games as a rookie and had a brief stint in the D-League in his rookie year, after breaking his ankle in July during summer-league practice.
 2 years ago '04        #11026
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word is the Cavs are calling around to see about interest in the Magic's 4th and 12th pick (aka they might trade the 1st pick for those two), hopefully Phillip got a call and sees whats really good with that 12th pick at least.
 2 years ago '04        #11027
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According to Tommy Dee, someone offered to take Barg but NYK declined... Now I wanna know who that team was and for what... Better be good cuz Barg is gonna be awesome in the triangle
 2 years ago '04        #11028
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Kurt Helin

I’d be surprised if Samuel Dalembert is on the Knicks roster at the start of next season. I’ll give you two reasons.

One is that he is not a long term answer in New York, and if you watched him play last year in Dallas you’d know he’s not much of a short term answer, either (the Mavs defense was better with him in the paint, but the offense dropped off so much it more than cancelled it out). So Phil Jackson is going to see if he can trade him and get an a.sset they want in return.

He’s already started, reports Chris Herring of the Wall Street Journal.


That’s exactly what the Knicks should be doing — acquire a.ssets then try to turn those a.ssets into something else that can really help you. Shane Larkin may be able to help you in the future, but you see what he can bring you back.

Let’s say Jackson can’t find a taker for Dalembert in a trade. The other reason I’d expect Dalembert will not be on the Knicks roster is he can be bought out of his contract for $1.8 million, saving a couple million dollars for the Knicks in salary, plus the tax money that comes with it.

The New York Post reports that’s not going to happen, the Knicks plan on keeping him on the roster.

Despite speculation following the massive six-player swap with the Mavericks, The Post has learned Dalembert will not be waived by the Knicks in order to create a larger mid-level exception to spend on a July free agent. He may be the Knicks starting center this season, providing the defense Tyson Chandler once brought….

“He was in New York last night and for the last few days and that had nothing to do with the trade,’’ (Dalembert’s agent Marc) Cornstein said. “He loves the city. It will be a good fit. He gets to New York frequently, does a lot of charitable stuff here.’’

Of course the team didn’t say they were going to waive him — if you’re trying to trade him the last thing you let out there is that he’ll be available as a free agent in a few weeks.

Maybe the Knicks are serious and Dalembert is on the Knicks roster when the season tips off. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
 2 years ago '04        #11029
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Was not expecting this dude to be available lol
 2 years ago '07        #11030
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I knew we would get someone who was slept on, melo jr. #knickstape




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 2 years ago '04        #11031
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Was really hoping for Tavares to slip all the way to our 2nd pick doe
 2 years ago '11        #11032
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Now that we got some a.ssets, which one of these young dudes is getting shipped out?
 2 years ago '04        #11033
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Greek Freak 2.0

In Phil We Trust

2 fucling steals in the 2nd round
 2 years ago '04        #11034
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Looks like we bought another 2nd rounder from Indiana
 2 years ago '04        #11035
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And we get Louis Lebeyre with that Pacers pick
 2 years ago '04        #11036
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lotta undrafted talent, gonna be a hot summer
 2 years ago '07        #11037
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Can't think of many for the summer league team...

Patric Young
CJ Fair
Shawn Jones
DeAndre Kane (?) --> can someone provide good footage of dude?
 2 years ago '04        #11038
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 I Am The Truth said:
DeAndre Kane (?) --> can someone provide good footage of dude?

[video - click to view]

 2 years ago '04        #11039
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Acquire rights to Labeyrie with the 57th overall pick

NEW YORK, June 26, 2014 – New York Knickerbockers President Phil Jackson announced today that in the second round of the 2014 NBA Draft, the team has drafted Cleanthony Early from Wichita State with the 34th overall selection and Thanasis Antetokounmpo from Athens, Greece and the Delaware 87ers of the NBA D-League with the 51st overall selection. Both picks were acquired yesterday from Dallas.

Early, 6-8, 219-pounds, averaged 16.4 points and 5.9 rebounds in 36 games for the Shockers last season. The Middletown, NY native was named to the All-Valley First Team as a junior and senior after being named the NJCAA Division III Player of the Year twice for Sullivan County Community College.

Antetokounmpo, 6-7, 215-pounds, averaged 12.0 points and 4.3 rebounds in 50 games for the 87ers last season after playing professionally in Greece for two seasons.

In addition, the Knicks acquired the draft rights to Louis Labeyrie, the 57th overall selection in the 2014 NBA Draft from Indiana for cash considerations. Labeyrie, 6-10, 200-pounds, is a 22-year-old Gonesse, France native who played professionally in his home country for the past three seasons.
 2 years ago '04        #11040
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these two might be the last articles i post all weekend, probably won't be around a computer lol
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