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 4 years ago '04        #10361
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In the top-heavy East, ESPN experts predict #Knicks will finish 5th. Why they are right, why they could be wrong:

Hahn

Last season, when the Knicks clinched their first Atlantic Division since 1994, there was vindication in the lack of validation. Last season not one member of the ESPN panel picked the Knicks to win the division.

This season, after the Knicks finished second in the East, the ESPN panel predicts the Knicks will drop to fifth. But it's not necessarily a sign of disrespect or an indication that the team got worse.

It's that the East got better and the Knicks, the experts say, didn't.

As long as LeBron James is physically invincible, the Heat remain the favorites. Derrick Rose's return makes the Bulls a favorite again and the Indiana Pacers got tougher, which didn't seem possible.

Then there's the Nets, who added two Hall of Famers in Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierece, to form an all-star starting five with a strong bench.

The Knicks made some notable changes, too, with the additions of Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace and Beno Udrih. But they're still lacking in rebounding and the core of the team is still made of up players that members of the basketball media just can't trust or embrace. And then there's Amar'e Stoudemire and the fact that he takes up $20M in payroll and may only be able to play 20 minutes a night. Not to mention JR Smith, arguably the team's second-most important offensive player, coming off knee surgery.

So while the Knicks didn't make any dramatic improvements or directly address issues from last season (passing, rebounding), it's still fair to say they didn't get worse. In fact, you could argue that, by getting younger, they have better potential. But it may not be enough to maintain the No. 2 spot in the East.

However, that's also a.ssuming Rose, after a full season off, can go right back to being the MVP-caliber dynamo he was before the knee injury. It's a.ssuming Danny Granger and Paul George can coexist in the Pacers' offense while Roy Hibbert still feels involved. It's also a.ssuming that KG and Pierce, who looked out of gas at the end of last season, have enough left to make a difference through 82 games.

It's a.ssuming Bargnani isn't rejuvenated playing off Melo and MWP doesn't provide the ruggedness this team lacked last season. It's a.ssuming Tyson Chandler won't go back to being a defensive stalwart.

Oh and let's not forget the emerging Iman Shumpert, who will have a full season.

Don't get mad at predictions, read them to get a better understanding. This wil be an interesting season on many levels for the Knicks.
 4 years ago '04        #10362
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Jorge Sierra

Gary Forbes is working out for the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday, according to a source.

Forbes will also have a workout for the New York Knicks next week.

Forbes played in China last season with the Zhejiang Lions.
 4 years ago '05        #10363
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Thanks for always keeping me informed born_loser
 4 years ago '04        #10364
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Jared Zwerling

The Knicks and free-agent center Earl Barron, who joined the team late last season, have strong mutual interest, according to a source close to the player.

"He wants to be back in New York. There has been a lot of interest, and that's with them and with them to us," the source said. "I think it's just going to be one of those wait situations, where I think the signing of Jeremy Tyler didn't really knock [Barron] out of it, but it slowed the process up for him for sure."

"But Earl wants to be a Knick. He's waiting for the Knicks to pull the trigger. He thinks that the Knicks will have a chance to win a championship, and he wants to be a part of it."

While the Knicks signed Tyler, 22, to a two-year, non-guaranteed contract, they still could use a seasoned backup center like the 7-0 Barron, a solid rebounder and rim protector who could play key minutes off the bench depending on the matchup. That's especially true for when the Knicks face the Nets and Pacers, who both upgraded their frontcourt. Overall, the group of serviceable big men available is slim.

The source said five other NBA teams have invited Barron to training camp this fall, but the Knicks remain the priority. In fact, both sides have met "a couple of times already" this summer, according to the source.

Barron, 32, appeared in seven games (six starts) for the Knicks in 2009-10, averaging 11.7 points and 11.0 rebounds over 33.1 minutes. Last season, while he only played in one regular-season game for the Knicks -- an 11-point, 18-rebound performance on April 17 against the Hawks -- the source said he impressed Mike Woodson during his short stint.

"I think Mike Woodson likes him a lot because of the professionalism he showed this year," the source said. "He went from a vacation -- a weekend trip with his family -- to flying into D.C., drove to the airport and flew to New York and got in at midnight. He worked out for the coaches at 6 o'clock that morning, took the physical after that and then played 36 minutes that same night, and he had almost 20 boards. Earl kept his body right."

The source said it's "hard to tell" what move the Knicks will make next.

"I don't know what they're searching for," he said. "I do know that a lot of the Knicks' brass wants Earl there."

On Wednesday at the Knicks' training facility, Woodson commented on how the team might fill the remaining roster spot, saying, "I don't know. Most teams kind of wait late. ... If somebody falls through the cracks, it might give us an opportunity to snatch another body."

For most of the summer, Barron has been working out in Washington, D.C., with Dan Connelly, the younger brother of NBA executives Pat and Tim who is an advance scout for the Jazz. Barron has been in the gym a few times with Wizards center Emeka Okafor.

The source said Barron will not pursue another deal, including overseas, until he has clear direction from the Knicks. Barron is open to the veteran's minimum, which is all the team can offer.

"Earl just wants to play," the source said. "He just wants to be a part of a winning situation. He was on a championship team with the Miami Heat. He's been around. He's a serviceable veteran, but he's more of a great locker-room guy."
 4 years ago '08        #10365
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What yall think the starting lineup should be?

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shump
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artest
chandler
 4 years ago '04        #10366
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i read on knicksnow woodson said only guaranteed starters are tyson, melo, n felton, training camp will decide the remaining 2 spots
 4 years ago '07        #10367
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Barron isn't a bad look... I'd prefer Ivan to keep us deeper, but if not then Earl is a good look too... I remember that 18 rebound night
 4 years ago '04        #10368
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Could Andrea Bargnani's illness cause a reason for Knicks to sweat his readiness for training camp?

Hahn

The Italian national team was already down a man at next month's Eurobasket in Slovenia, with Danilo Gallinari out while recovering from ACL surgery.

Bargnani is now almost a.ssured to miss the tournament, which runs from Sept. 4-22, after coming down with pneumonia.

"I'm home trying to get better as quickly as possible," he said on Twitter.

I wouldn't expect the Knicks would want to see Bargnani hurry back to the court, especially if he's not at full strength.

"We've got to be cautious and make sure that we nurse him back before we put him back on the basketball floor," Mike Woodson told ESPNNY.com. "We're still trying to make sure he's healthy . . . and right now he's not ready to play."

There is still six weeks before NBA training camps begin, so he has plenty of time to recover, get back in the gym and regain his strength to prepare for the coming season. And while playing for the national team is important to European players, being ready for his first year in New York -- as a key player on a contending team -- must be his only priority right now.

Bargnani has missed 82 games over the last two seasons (one being a lockout-shortened 66-game season) due to elbow and calf injuries. In recent years, the former No. 1 overall pick's durability has come into question, along with his conditioning and his desire to play at a high level.

But the Knicks see the potential for him to be a dynamic fit in their spread-the-floor offense and, with two years left on his contract, are banking on the 27-year-old flourishing in a supporting role with Carmelo Anthony.

The investment made cost little in bodies (seldom-used Marcus Camby and rotation refugee Steve Novak) but they did send a 2016 first round pick in the deal.

Bargnani can certainly help this team, but only if he can stay healthy. This is why the Knicks probably shouldn't allow Bargnani to play for Italy at all next month. They need him at full strength when training camp begins.
 4 years ago '07        #10369
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knicks lost
 4 years ago '04        #10370
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Ian Begley

Mike Woodson said Wednesday that he's not sure who's going to start for the Knicks, which is no surprise.

It's mid-August. The Knicks open the season on Oct. 30. So there's no need for Woodson to commit to a starting lineup right now.

But Woodson did offer a glimpse into his thinking while speaking with reporters Wednesday at a Garden of Dreams event.

The coach said Tyson Chandler, Carmelo Anthony and Raymond Felton will be in his starting five. But he was noncommittal when asked about Iman Shumpert starting at shooting guard, which is revealing.

If Shumpert doesn't start at shooting guard, it's likely Woodson would go with a two-point guard lineup, because other than Shumpert, the Knicks don't have many options at the 2. J.R. Smith is injured and may miss the beginning of the season. The Knicks have Tim Hardaway Jr., but it's highly unlikely the Knicks would ask the rookie to start.

So, based on what Woodson said Wednesday, it seems likely he will go with a starting backcourt of Pablo Prigioni and Felton. If that's the case, Shumpert will likely play small forward, leaving Anthony at power forward and Chandler at center.

The Knicks, of course, had great success with a two-point guard alignment last year. They won 13 straight games late in the regular season with Prigioni at point guard and Felton at shooting guard. They also won a playoff series against Boston with that lineup.

There could be an interesting byproduct of the two-point guard lineup with this season's team. a.ssuming the Knicks remain healthy, there will be a lot of talent on the bench.

If Woodson goes with Prigioni and Felton in the starting backcourt, it leaves Andrea Bargnani, Metta World Peace, Kenyon Martin and Amar'e Stoudemire on the bench. All of those players expect to get regular minutes this season, but it could be tricky for Woodson to find enough minutes to meet those expectations. It's likely at least one guy will play fewer minutes than he expected. The other reserves (Smith, when he's healthy, Hardaway Jr. and Beno Udrih) should fit in seamlessly.

Of course, Woodson -- and any other coach -- will tell you that having too many quality players on your roster is a good problem. And, as long as players don't snipe about minutes, it is a good problem. The depth could prove valuable if any key Knicks suffer injuries during the season.

Still, if Woodson goes with a two-point guard alignment, it's worthwhile to wonder how he'll juggle a bench that's loaded with talent.
Question: If you're Mike Woodson, what bench rotations would you go with if you have two point guards in the starting five?

RING FOR SALE: The Knicks, as you know, haven't won a title since 1972-73. If you want a piece of that last title season, Jerry Lucas, a member of the '72-'73 team, is your man. Lucas is putting his ring up for auction. Check out this video of ESPN's Michelle Steele talking to Lucas about his collection, including the ring from '72-'73.
 4 years ago '12        #10371
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  88 - 75 STRK: 3 l in a row WIN PCT: 53% 59 (0) 
  Career: | Aug 16: 395-308, Rank #44 | Aug 15: 901-538, Rank #23 | Aug 14: 7-3, Rank #244 | Aug 13: 133-80, Rank #40 *
 4 years ago '04        #10372
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Frank Isola

"Iranian center Hamed Haddadi is meeting with Knicks officials today, the Daily News has learned."
 4 years ago '07        #10373
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Don't want Haddadi. No.
 4 years ago '04        #10374
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Berman

What, me worry?

Iman Shumpert said whether Knicks owner James Dolan was ticked at him for allegedly balking at playing in the Las Vegas summer league in July isn’t his problem.

Shumpert played just one summer-league game before heading to China and Taiwan to help open an Adidas store and serve as NBA ambassador.

The controversy arose when an outtake from ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith’s interview with Dwight Howard surfaced on YouTube. During an off-air chat, Smith told Howard he heard Dolan was furious at Shumpert for allegedly not wanting to play summer league and he wanted him traded. Smith said later on his radio show he believed Dolan was no longer peeved because Shumpert showed up.

“That’s fine, that’s the media,’’ Shumpert said at yesterday’s Delta Open event with U.S. Open’s No. 1 seed Serena Williams at Madison Square Park. “Things get blown up in this day and age, with social media. It’s crazy. That video got out there and stuff happens. I’m happy to be a Knick. I’m worried about business.”

Asked if he knows for certain if Dolan is still irritated, Shumpert said, “I don’t know. It doesn’t concern me. I got to make sure we go out and play basketball.’’

The Post reported Knicks coach Mike Woodson also was concerned Shumpert played one game because the Knicks wanted to test him at point guard.

But now that need isn’t as severe because the Knicks signed a third point guard, veteran Beno Udrih, this month.

Last week, Woodson wouldn’t guarantee Shumpert would start. He said Raymond Felton, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler are the only guaranteed starters. Shumpert started 45 games last season.

Shumpert said playing time is Woodson’s call.

“I don’t know what they’re going to do,’’ Shumpert said. “It’s our job as players to be at the highest level we can play at. It’s up to Coach Woodie to make those decisions. He’s the guy who will be losing sleep on what guys he should play, lineups to play. I’m just going to be a piece of the puzzle.’’

The Knicks should benefit from having Shumpert, in his third season, for his first full training camp. His first season camp was abbreviated drastically because of the lockout. Last season, he was rehabbing a torn ACL in his left knee.

“It will be good this year just to have a training camp and be with the guys all year,’’ Shumpert said. “I’m so excited. Not to have a lockout, nothing going wrong this year.’’

Though Shumpert was solid last season, he has to be markedly better if the Knicks have any real hope of contending for a title. Upon his return Jan. 17, Shumpert had too many passive offensive nights, and Woodson pointed out his flaws during summer league.

Shumpert also said he wasn’t a.ssertive enough offensively.

“Sometimes I saw myself just catching the ball, catching the ball and not looking to do anything with it,’’ Shumpert said. “My first year, every time I caught the ball, I was looking to do something. Whether it was the right decision, I don’t know. But I was always aggressive. When I first came back my second year, a lot of times I wasn’t aggressive.

“I would catch the ball, I’d be on my heels instead of my toes. You got to put your defender on your heels.’’

In his lone summer-league game, Shumpert was 0-for -5, with five turnovers as starting point guard. The Knicks have sent coaches to Shumpert since he got back from China to work him out.

Shumpert said he doesn’t feel he needed more than one summer-league outing.

“I played point guard my whole rookie year except at the end,’’ Shumpert said. “I’ve been at point guard before.’’

Shumpert also is tuning out the noise from Brooklyn, with Paul Pierce touting the Nets’ superiority.

“The Knicks are worried about the Knicks,’’ Shumpert said. “We’ll talk during the season.’’
 4 years ago '04        #10375
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Berman

The always colorful and controversial Metta World Peace promised he will have no problems fitting in quietly with the Knicks because he wants a ring and promised, “I’m going to f!ght for the city.’

“It’s easy when playing on a team to do exactly what the coach asks of you and do what it takes to win,’’ World Peace said yesterday on the new “Crowd Goes Wild’’ show hosted by Regis Philbin on FOX Sports 1.

“Don’t fall into the category of egos or ‘I want to be the superstar or I should get more shots.’ We need a ring. That’s all that matters.’’

World Peace spoke a lot more highly of the Knicks than the Lakers, who made him an amnesty cut in July after losing Dwight Howard and after their very disappointing season.

“It wasn’t fun,’’ World Peace said. “There was no chemistry. [Deceased Lakers owner] Dr. Buss was a chemist. All his molecules had great formulas. This one didn’t match up. So we kind of had no chemistry. There was no chemistry as an organization.

“I thought we were going to win a championship. I was ready for my vacation after ring No. 2 in Turks and Caicos.’’

Asked how quickly he deleted Howard’s cell phone number after the center bolted to the Rockets, World Peace said, “Never had it.’’
 4 years ago '08        #10376
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Didnt shump play pg in college?
 4 years ago '04        #10377
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yeah he did
 4 years ago '07        #10378
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Shump would be great at point in a couple seasons.. baby rose




  16 - 22 STRK: 1 w in a row WIN PCT: 42% 464 (-9) 
  Career: | Aug 16: 47-24, Rank #82 | Aug 15: 53-44, Rank #135 | Aug 14: 155-91, Rank #48 | Aug 13: 64-32, Rank #54 | Aug 12: 212-123, Rank #30 | Aug 11: 333-187, Rank #38 | Aug 10: 1090-567, Rank #11 | Aug 09: 2-1, Rank #328 | Aug 08: 3-1, Rank #625 *
 4 years ago '04        #10379
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Jared Zwerling

Free-agent center Hamed Haddadi, who worked out for the Knicks on Aug. 16, might not be done with the team yet. A source close to the player says it is "still possible" that Haddadi signs with New York.

The Knicks technically have only one roster spot remaining, but C.J. Leslie and Jeremy Tyler both inked partially guaranteed contracts, which means they are not locks to make the official team.

Several sources have told ESPNNewYork.com in the past two weeks that the Knicks are focused on adding a big man before training camp starts in early October. The Knicks could really use another rebounder and shot-blocker, especially against bigger-sized teams like the Nets and Pacers, who both upgraded their frontcourt this offseason.

While there are concerns about Haddadi's mobility up and down the court, another source close to the player said the Knicks are intrigued with his size and interior presence.

"He won't wow you with his athleticism, but he's a high-volume energy guy and has good skills to be a good, solid defensive backup," the source said, who also noted that Haddadi is open to a veteran's minimum deal.

The 7-2 Iranian has been in the NBA since 2008, playing for the Grizzlies and then the Suns in the second half of last season. In about 14 minutes per game in Phoenix, he averaged 4.1 points, 5.1 rebounds and 1.2 blocks.

Haddadi, 28, had been on the Knicks' radar for some time this summer, but he was unable to visit New York until mid-August because he was busy in the Philippines participating in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship, of which he was named MVP. It's worth noting that Haddadi's agent, Marc Cornstein, also represents two of the latest Knicks acquisitions, Metta World Peace and Beno Udrih.

The Knicks are also still in talks with Earl Barron and Ivan Johnson, who's a tweener big at 6-8, but one player source believes the Knicks will not rush a decision.

"I'm actually getting the feeling they will stay with 14 [players], and possibly bring in non-guaranteed guys for vet camp spots," the source said.
 4 years ago '04        #10380
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Source: In addition to the Knicks, the Pacers, Pelicans and Sixers are interested in Earl Barron.
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