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 3 years ago '04        #10281
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Isola, meh

LAS VEGAS — This was supposed to be the month when Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would finally become partners in New York, forming the perfect free-agent marriage of superstar scorer and superstar point guard.

You remember that infamous toast from a few years ago, right? Anthony, Paul and Amar’e Stoudemire were plotting to become the Knicks’ answer to LeBron, Wade and Bosh. That’s what Paul hinted at before the Knicks went all in on Tyson Chandler, essentially eliminating them from having a chance to sign Paul when he became a free agent three week ago.

So instead, Anthony and Paul found themselves together in Beijing last week promoting Nike and undoubtedly discussing the state and future of their respective teams. For Paul, it’s been a good summer. Doc Rivers is now his coach, the Clippers have surpassed the Lakers as the best team in Los Angeles and can call themselves a legitimate contender.

As for Melo? The last few weeks have been about as much fun as having your knee drained.

Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce have invaded his turf, joining the Nets who have surpassed the Knicks as the best team in New York, and if you believe the orange and blue are a serious threat to win you probably believe in unicorns, Baron Davis’ alien story and Metta World Peace.

The Heat still has LeBron. Chicago, Indiana and Brooklyn all got better and don’t look now but Cleveland has a plan and is headed in the right direction. The Knicks, as presently put together, are still a playoff team and one capable of winning between 45 and 52 games. But claiming they’ve improved is like trying to convince someone that Stoudemire’s knees will hold up for 82 games. Nothing wrong with being optimistic but reality and history can be as jarring as Roy Hibbert’s block on Anthony in Game 6.

Anthony ended the season with a damaged shoulder that as of now won’t need surgery but could be a recurring issue. Stoudemire will be on a minutes restriction, Chandler is coming off a disappointing spring, J.R. Smith just had knee surgery, first-round pick Tim Hardaway Jr. hurt his wrist and played one summer league game, Iman Shumpert is on the owner’s bad side and the team is selling World Peace as the unifying locker room presence. Oh boy, indeed.

Jason Kidd, the point guard that had the knack of seeing plays develop before anyone else, obviously saw this one coming from a mile away. He didn’t retire as much as he escaped.

The trade for Andrea Bargnani is, in theory, a good one. The Knicks didn’t give up much to get the former top overall pick from the Toronto Raptors. Scoring, however, wasn’t the Knicks’ problem last season as much as defense was. And Bargnani ain’t helping in that area. The same goes for rebounding. Plus, there is no telling how his presence will impact Stoudemire, whose contract and knees have turned him into this decade’s Allan Houston.

But what worries you more than just the composition of the roster is the dysfunction inside James Dolan’s house. Okay, that’s somewhat redundant but it’s still troubling. The Knicks apparently signed Smith to a three-year contract with a player option for a fourth year just five days before he had surgery that could keep him sidelined up to four months.

The Knicks say they were well aware of Smith’s condition and didn’t see a problem with making a long-term commitment to a player headed for the operating room. You hope for the best but the real Knick fan out there thinks about Bernard King, Patrick Ewing, Antonio McDyess, Houston and Stoudemire and realizes that with knees and basketball players there are no guarantees. Well, except for their contracts of course.

Alas, the story changed quickly. Even though Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald acknowledged that Smith was under contract for four years, somehow the deal became a two-year contract with a player option. That’s swell, but it still doesn’t explain why the Knicks couldn’t just sign Smith to a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. Or did they really think another team was ready to pounce on the mercurial shooting guard on his way to the Hospital for Special Surgery?

The last time the Knicks bid against themselves, they handed Houston the richest contract in franchise history. That was Dolan’s first big move of the post Dave Checketts era. And as the saying goes, the hits just keep on coming.

The signing of World Peace (Ron Artest), in theory, is also okay. He can defend, he’s tough, he comes cheap and he’s entertaining, which, if you haven’t figured it out, is what they are really selling at MSG. He’s also done things in his past that make Smith look like a choir boy. But talking to coaches and executives here last week, they all like Metta and swear he is a good teammate.

“It was fine to work with him,” says one Lakers coach. “Most of the time, he has good days. But when he has a bad day it is a really bad day.”

Let’s a.ssume that Metta will be a model citizen and is all grown up now. Those same coaches and executives believe that will be the case. But they were also near unanimous in that they feel Metta the basketball player is near his expiration date.

I guess the only question is if Metta expires before Shumpert, one of the few Knicks who has value. Dolan is reportedly upset that Shumpert wasn’t interested in working with the summer league team and wants to trade him. Shumpert, I’ve heard, isn’t too crazy about the moves the Knicks have made, which could further stunt his development.

The bigger issue is that Dolan is still throwing his weight around and throwing temper tantrums. The man behind the curtain who refuses to answer questions and address his loyal fan base is very much in charge. He was the driving force behind the grand plan to acquire Melo, Amar’e and Paul. Instead, the Knicks’ three big moves this summer were to form the alliance of Bargnani, Smith and Metta World Peace.

That none of the three was formally introduced with a traditional press conference is somewhat telling. Leave it to the scene stealing Nets to televise the Garnett and Pierce press conference live last week.

The Knicks, who have their own network, went as dark as the Garden in June.

My theory is that Dolan didn’t want to preempt any of his summer programming on MSG Network.

You know, those fan favorites like “Serpico” and the Knicks legend series featuring Baron Davis and Rasheed Wallace.
 3 years ago '07        #10282
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Hope melo dont go to the clippers




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 3 years ago '05        #10283
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Just worry bout this season b thats all that matters




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 3 years ago '04        #10284
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Jeremy Tyler received a training camp invite
 3 years ago '04        #10285
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Keith Schlosser

This past week in Las Vegas, the Knicks not only had their eye on a couple of Summer League participants, but some free agents over at IMPACT as well.

The likes of Austin Daye, Stefhon Hannah, and Bobby Brown were among the more intriguing players to have worked out in Sin City for Knicks brass. The latter, however, (Brown) has seemingly been picking up the most steam as the more likely option to join New York over the last couple of days.

But just how legitimate are the Knicks' hopes of signing Brown? Like many players who participated in NBA Summer League over the last ten days or so, Brown could be using such exposure simply to up the offers and/or interest of international squads as well. The combo guard, who starred last season in Italy, is also reportedly drawing interest from executives in China.

What's interesting about Brown is the fact that he isn't exactly much of a floor general. After losing Jason Kidd to retirement, the Knicks undoubtedly could use a third point guard. Having three quality players at the position (and balancing the minutes out and/or even playing two alongside one another) worked out really for New York this past season.

Is more of a traditional point guard truly what the Knicks need, or would a combo guard still fit right into the mix? That remains to be seen. Still, most of the other free agent point guards available at this point aren't exactly what you would call pass-first players, anyway.

Though Brown could probably cash in on a more lucrative contract than what the Knicks could provide him with overseas, perhaps the allure of breaking into the NBA (and potentially contributing to a playoff contender at that) would be too much for him to pass up.

This past season, the Knicks signed and brought in the likes of Pablo Prigioni, Chris Copeland, and James White. All three players were older guys who were ready to come to The a.ssociation after spending a few years playing international ball. Each one of them came cheap at a minimum contract.

Though Copeland and White won't return next season, such an experiment still worked out relatively well in the Knicks' favor overall. Bringing Brown into the fold may not be the worst idea, especially considering the other options currently available.

It just remains to be seen if he truly has as much mutual interest.
 3 years ago '04        #10286
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Jared Zwerling

Source: #Knicks have had interest in Ivan Johnson, but he's in market for mini midlevel deal. Could be open to min "depending on situation."
 3 years ago '04        #10287
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 Born_Loser said:
Jared Zwerling

Source: #Knicks have had interest in Ivan Johnson, but he's in market for mini midlevel deal. Could be open to min "depending on situation."
who's that
 3 years ago '04        #10288
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 Jae_Hood_354 said:
who's that
Ivan or Jared? lol
 3 years ago '07        #10289
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Ivan Johnson? Goon of all goons? Ivan & Ron Ron??? I'll take him.. plus he was the one who originally aggravated Melo's shoulder
 3 years ago '04        #10290
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 I Am The Truth said:
Ivan Johnson? Goon of all goons? Ivan & Ron Ron??? I'll take him.. plus he was the one who originally aggravated Melo's shoulder
gotta wait and see how the market plays, still got like 5 roster spots left and he's a name i haven't heard mentioned till today about ANY team having interest
 3 years ago '06        #10291
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Ivan the goon would be dope in a Knicks jersey
 3 years ago '07        #10292
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Ivan got potential...goon squad lookin nice b





  1 - 0 STRK: 1 w in a row WIN PCT: 100% 217 (-134) 
  Career: | Aug 16: 47-24, Rank #82 | Aug 15: 53-44, Rank #135 | Aug 14: 155-91, Rank #48 | Aug 13: 64-32, Rank #54 | Aug 12: 212-123, Rank #30 | Aug 11: 333-187, Rank #38 | Aug 10: 1090-567, Rank #11 | Aug 09: 2-1, Rank #328 | Aug 08: 3-1, Rank #625 *
 3 years ago '04        #10293
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Hahn

We're nearing that point in free agency where it's kind of like Last Call at the bar. This is just before the house lights come on and reality sets in.

The Knicks have been conspicuously inactive, despite four roster spots left to be filled and two obvious needs still to address: 1. front court depth (paging Kenyon Martin) and 2. a third point guard to join Raymond Felton and Pablo Prigioni.

Glen Grunwald, himself, acknowledged a need for a third guard and hinted to the potential of bringing in several veterans to compete for that position. You may also see summer league standout Toure Murry in the mix, as well.

The news of the Spurs rescinding their qualifying offer to Gary Neal, however, could change things. Neal had a strong postseason for the Spurs in their NBA Finals run and his game fits perfect into how the Knicks play. Would he be willing to take a veteran's minimum to play in New York? He might get more to play elsewhere, such as in Milwaukee, where it seems they'd prefer any alternative to Brandon Jennings.

The Knicks recently worked out Bobby Brown, who had a stellar season in Italy, and he and his reps have been predicting to reporters that the Knicks will sign Brown. Seems like that was premature, though it doesn't mean he won't get a camp invite.

But Grunwald may consider inviting others, such as Sebastian Telfair and Mo Williams, to the party, as well, and see who emerges with the job.

The team also took a look at Darius Morris, recently. They could also consider Andrew Goudelock, the D-League MVP who had a terrific summer league, or former Hofstra standout Charles Jenkins.

So there are options, though none seem exciting right now. The hope was to find a young point guard, perhaps in the draft, and try to develop him behind Felton and Prigioni. That still could happen, with Murry, Brown, Goudelock or Jenkins as options.

Felton and Prigioni will get the bulk of the reps at point guard anyway, but Woodson often used the two together late in the season, with Felton playing a scoring role. That may be necessary early on with JR Smith's injury. If that's the case, a veteran third guard -- here's where Neal or Williams would fit best -- is more critical.
 3 years ago '04        #10294
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was hoping we could land Charles Jenkins in the 2nd round 2 years ago
 3 years ago '05        #10295
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If Gary comes here




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 3 years ago '04        #10296
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Attention K-Mart Shoppers, we have a return on aisle 1, i repeat a return on aisle 1





























GOONIN' AND COONIN'
 3 years ago '04        #10297
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 Born_Loser said:
Attention K-Mart Shoppers, we have a return on aisle 1, i repeat a return on aisle 1
























GOONIN' AND COONIN'
i just read this on realgm goons on deck
 3 years ago '08        #10298
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Kmart back
 3 years ago '11        #10299
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don't know about no "coonin" sh*t but resigning kmart is a solid move
 3 years ago '08        #10300
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 imtheman718 said:
don't know about no "coonin" sh*t but resigning kmart is a solid move
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