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 4 years ago '04        #10201
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Hahn

First, the obvious: Iman Shumpert headlines the team. The third-year guard will be experiencing his first Vegas competition (lockout in 2011, knee injury in 2012) and some are wary of him participating. But he isn't. Shump is there, he said, "just to be under coaching."

Tim Hardaway Jr. (Michigan) and C.J. Leslie (NC State) are the rookies. Hardaway Jr. was the team's first round pick, while Leslie was -- somewhat surprisingly -- undrafted and immediately signed by the Knicks. Consider him their second round pick, though they didn't have a second rounder in this year's draft.

Now, for a few other reasons to watch:

-- Chris Smith: JR's younger brother spent most of the past year recovering from a knee injury suffered in training camp. He didn't exactly stand out on the summer league team last year, but hopes to prove himself as a perimeter defender and a player who can make things happen in transition.

-- Tony Mitchell: No, not the kid from North Texas who was drafted in the second round by the Pistons. This Tony Mitchell is the one who was suspended indefinitely by Alabama during his junior year (2011-12) and went undrafted. He spent last season playing in the D-League and was named Rookie of the Year and made All-NBA D-League first team. He also won the D-League's Slam Dunk contest. Maturity has been an issue in the past, but at 23, and with his window of opportunity closing, can Mitchell show he belongs at the NBA level?

-- Jeremy Tyler: Four years ago, he made headlines when he boldly left his high school in San Diego after his JUNIOR year to play professionally overseas. The move proved to be a major detriment to his development. Tyler was eventually drafted (2011, second round, Bobcats) and has played in just 63 NBA games between three teams since then. Tyler is a big body (6-10, 260 pounds) but has been slow to develop an NBA game. What's important to note here is that he's still just 22 years old.

Others of note: Center Jerome Jordan is back again with the team . . . Justin Brownlee is a name St. John's fans certainly will recognize . . . We will really see if the predraft hype matched the potential with A.J. Matthews, the 7-1 center who played at Division III Farmingdale State (Long Island).

Remember, you can watch the Knicks in the NBA Summer League from Las Vegas on MSG Network. The first game is Friday (July 12) at 4 p.m. ET against the Pelicans. Mike Breen, Walt Frazier and myself will have the coverage.
 4 years ago '04        #10202
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 stackmatics said:
always liked raja bell just don't really expect much from him.
pretty much what he's expected to do, not much....will likely be expected to be the player we wanted Brewer to be on defense
 4 years ago '04        #10203
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Berman

A.J. Matthews believes once the Las Vegas summer league is done, the Knicks are not going to be done with him.

Matthews, the 7-foot Cinderella story out of Division III Farmingdale State, is hoping his stint on the Knicks summer league team in Las Vegas lands him a training-camp invite in October.

The Knicks are scouring the free-agent market to add a couple of big men to their roster. The summer-league team, which begins practice tonight and opens July 12 against New Orleans, will have three notable big men on the roster. Matthews, former Knicks second-round pick Jerome James and Jeremy Tyler, who played for the Warriors and Hawks last season, could all return in October.

Matthews is a great story. Last season, he was posting up against 6-foot-4 guys in the post on his way to a spectacular season at the Long Island-based SUNY off Rt. 110. Now Vegas is his big stage.

“I feel I have a great chance,’’ Matthews, a Bushwick native, told The Post yesterday. “People will always say, ‘He played Division III.’ I knew that from the jump. But I’m here to show my skill set and let them know I can play at a high level against this type of competition.’’

The Knicks thought highly enough to bring him in during the pre-draft workouts and they liked his athleticism, his coachability, his ability to move without the ball and defend three positions — from center to small forward .

Matthews, out of Bushwick, had academic issues across his career that took him through the junior-college circuit and having to disappoint programs such as Kansas, Indiana, Ohio State and St. John’s because he didn’t have the required course requirements to transfer.

“Division III is still basketball,’’ Matthews said. “You still got to make shots and play defense. It doesn’t faze me [what people say].

He’s played on Lance Stephenson’s AAU team, against Kemba Walker’s team and was on a prep-school club with Tyreke Evans. He won’t be intimidated, and he’s got firm representation - the Arn Tellem stable.

“I’ll go as hard as I can,’’ Matthews said. “I messed up and I have to take the long route.’’

* The Knicks made the signing of undrafted North Carolina State forward C.J. Leslie official yesterday. The Post reported last week Leslie agreed to terms on a partially guaranteed contract that will bring him to training camp. The Post reported the Knicks had Leslie on their board at 24 and would have taken him had the draft fell a certain way. Leslie fell out of the draft — partly due to a suspect personality that includes a bad work ethic. The other reason is teams are now not drafting second-rounders for their immediate rosters, choosing instead young international talent. The 6-foot-9 super athlete averaged 13.7 points, 7.3 rebounds and 1.37 blocks at NC State and left after his junior year. ... The Knicks announced the signing of first-round pick Tim Hardaway Jr. to his rookie contract. ... Former Garden prez Scott O’Neil was named yesterday to the Sixers front office. O’Neil was instrumental in convincing Knicks owner James Dolan not to rehire Isiah Thomas.
 4 years ago '04        #10204
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management better make Melo happy now and try and acquire Rondo somehow, someway
 4 years ago '05        #10205
s1eepyboy 12 heat pts12
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fu*k rondo
 4 years ago '04        #10206
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you have the final say in the final spot and its between Artest, Bell and Billups...who would y'all choose
 4 years ago '08        #10207
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whose bell?
 4 years ago '04        #10208
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 dj ac said:
whose bell?
Raja.
 4 years ago '04        #10209
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Ronald Artest looks like a real possibility
 4 years ago '07        #10210
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Gimme Ron Ron... Queens in the building
 4 years ago '04        #10211
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can only imagine the possibilities on defense with Ronald and Shump on the floor together
 4 years ago '04        #10212
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Johnette Howard

Knicks center Tyson Chandler should've booked some summer instructional time with Hall of Fame center Hakeem Olajuwon by now rather than letting his statements at the end of the season -- or way he was outplayed by Roy Hibbert in the Knicks' playoff loss to the Indiana Pacers -- stand as his last words.

Amar'e Stoudemire, who is a far better scorer than Chandler, has already committed to seeing Olajuwon for a second straight summer. And now Knicks star Carmelo Anthony -- the NBA's No. 2 scorer, remember -- has said he will work with Olajuwon this offseason too.

That leaves Chandler -- the Knicks' frontcourt player who most needs the sort of help Olajuwon would provide -- passing on the same opportunity at a time when the Knicks know their greatest improvements are going to have to come from within. The Nets just swung a big trade for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, too, threatening the Knicks' ability to defend their Atlantic Division title.

Yet instead of Chandler coming out and saying he plans to get himself to Olajuwon's Houston-area ranch like Stoudemire did for two weeks last summer, or even offering some explanation, like the painful neck problems that dogged him at the end of the year still needing time to heal, one of Chandler's representatives essentially told ESPNNewYork.com's Jared Zwerling the same thing Chandler said in late May, after the Knicks' season ended: Chandler has no plans to work with Olajuwon at this time.

It's a rare mistake on Chandler's part. A case of a smart guy making a bad read.

But it looks even worse given how Chandler complained about the Knicks' offense after Game 3 against Indiana, and again after they lost the series to the lower-seeded Pacers.

When Chandler suggested after Game 3 that unnamed teammates were playing selfishly -- which was taken as a criticism of Anthony, and perhaps J.R. Smith -- Knicks coach Mike Woodson tried to pass it off by saying sometimes it's good to have "bickering" among teammates. But Anthony, looking annoyed, said he was "mystified" by Chandler's remarks.

Days later, Woodson was more pointed after being told on the team's breakup day that Chandler went beyond discussing his role and offered up a general critique of the Knicks' offense and the coaching staff.

"I would like for us to develop some consistency with the offensive game plan," Chandler told reporters. "Right now we're a jump-shooting team. And I'd like us to have a free-flowing offense.

"Everybody, to a man, is going to have to come back better, including the coaches," Chandler added.

So what is Chandler waiting for? Woodson's response was a critique of his own. He acknowledged that Chandler's neck problems and bout with the flu at the end of the season affected his play, saying, "Tyson has to physically get back."

Then Woodson mentioned the wish list he gave Chandler in their exit talk.

"I think he has to get on a weight program and try to bulk up a little bit," Woodson said. "We have talked about that some, as well as trying to develop a little bit on the low block and feel good about it.

"He mentioned yesterday that he wants to establish something, and I want to help him because I think big guys should be able to catch the ball and play offense and rebound the ball instead of tapping it out," Woodson added. "Rebound the ball to go back up and perhaps get a foul or score a bucket."

Olajuwon isn't the only post-up guru Chandler could consult, it's true. But he played the same position. And if Olajuwon is a good enough tutor for the likes of Anthony -- and LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard in the past -- Chandler could definitely do worse.

When Olajuwon visited the Knicks' practice facility at Woodson's suggestion for a few days in September, Chandler said he'd hoped to book some time with Olajuwon last summer, but later had to forget the idea when he was chosen for the U.S. Olympic team.

So what's the holdup now?

The argument that the 30-year-old Chandler is what he is at this point in his career doesn't fly either.

Olajuwon doesn't buy it.

"You can see that he [Chandler] has great timing by the way he rebounds, blocks shots and catches lobs," he said during his visit. "He's got great timing and reflexes. I haven't seen him use any moves of his own, though. But there's no way a guy with that kind of talent and timing should not have effective moves."

Nobody is asking Chandler to become a 20-point scorer or the second coming of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar overnight. But look at it this way: NBA games are quite literally decided by a few buckets here and there. Last season, the Knicks averaged 100 points per game and gave up 95.7 points -- a scoring differential of plus-4.3 points per game. If Chandler averaged even a mere two or three more field goals a game, you think that wouldn't make a difference and keep defenses more honest?

The Knicks only ran true post-up plays on 8.3 percent of their possessions last season, according to Synergy Sports.

Chandler justifiably got and accepted a lot of credit for his leadership when he played on the Dallas Mavericks team that beat Miami for the 2011 NBA title. His reputation as a locker room presence and his defensive prowess were the major reasons the Knicks gave him his four-year, $58 million contract.

So it's a little mystifying that he'd whiff on this topic now.

The list of NBA All-Stars who believe in what Olajuwon offers is long.

But the name that's still missing on that list -- and shouldn't be -- remains Tyson Chandler's.
 4 years ago '07        #10213
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^^^ been saying this n*gga Chandler needs to start beefing up, playing smarter, and get an offensive game... why won't he work w/ Hakeem when 2 of your best teammates are going to? smh at this house n*gga
 4 years ago '09        #10214
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Man itz too late to tryna add dat sh*t...Ty shoulda been on dat...don't come to my squad experimenting n sh*t...just do ya fu*kin job beeitch n learn how to catch da fu*kin rock 1st
 4 years ago '05        #10215
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What alot of people fail to realize is that....why is everybody stuck on only training with Hakeem to learn post moves...thats the cool and only thing to do now in the NBA i guess, right?
Chandler was never an offensive player...he's also the only n*gga on the team with a ring.
And offense is more than just hitting a jumpshot, isoing or doing a move in the post...pick and rolls, floor spacing, positioning etc all have to do with offense.
 4 years ago '07        #10216
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 Born_Loser said:
can only imagine the possibilities on defense with Ronald and Shump on the floor together
Melo at the 4 that's a scary sight!
 4 years ago '11        #10217
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 Born_Loser said:
Raja Bell worked out for the team and impressed.....thoughts?
Nah, we don't need another 2. We just resigned one and drafted another. We need to pick up one of these summer league bigs.
 4 years ago '11        #10218
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Tony Mitchell (Alabama) is going ham in the Orlando league for Boston. He's on our summer league roster maybe he can get a spot on the team
 4 years ago '07        #10219
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i came here for the GOONIN'










but i'm staying for the COONIN'
 4 years ago '04        #10220
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 Chixf Xscx said:
i came here for the GOONIN'










but i'm staying for the COONIN'
it's a beautiful thing
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