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 4 years ago '04        #10121
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Berman

The idea of a 20-minute nightly maximum with a prohibition on playing both ends of back-to-backs has been one of the ideas that has been discussed.

“I don’t think anything has been decided,’’ Walters told The Post yesterday. “The doctors are still talking about that. But he’s not going to play a ton of minutes.’’

An extra-cautious approach on Stoudemire to have him on a minutes restriction lower than last season’s was a factor in the Knicks’ willingness to trade for Bargnani, feeling they needed another scoring big man. The Knicks played 18 back-to-backs last season, so that could potentially be 18 games Stoudemire misses. It’s not all that dissimilar to the Spurs’ treatment of the aging Tim Duncan.

When Stoudemire returned from his first knee debridement surgery on Jan. 1, he was put on a 30-minute restriction, but coach Mike Woodson held him to the mid-20s.

However, in March, Woodson twice played Stoudemire slightly more than 30 minutes during a four-games-in-five-nights stretch, after which Stoudemire headed for a second debridement surgery.

When Stoudemire returned for the second round of the playoffs, doctors told Woodson not to play Stoudemire more than 15 minutes a game. When the season ended, Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald acknowledged Stoudemire could be on a minutes restriction next season after playing just 29 regular-season games.

Now it’s even more prudent with Bargnani’s presence. The Knicks were willing to give up 3-point ace Steve Novak (who is limited otherwise), oft-injured center Marcus Camby, a 2016 first-round pick and two second-rounders for Bargnani, who himself had injury issues last season with a bum elbow, playing just 34 games.

The trade upgrades the team, but underscores the notion Grunwald made two mistakes last summer in overpaying Camby and Novak, both of whom fell out of favor with Woodson during the playoffs.

Bargnani knows the feeling, having fallen out of favor with Toronto fans. He was booed his last two seasons there, failing to live up to being drafted No. 1 overall in 2006. Even former Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo, who drafted the Italian, said late in the season Bargnoni he might benefit from a change of scenery. Colangelo stepped down last week, but the trade talks began weeks ago., revisiting talks from the 2011-12 season, when the Knicks were trying to pawn off Stoudemire’s contract on the Raptors for Bargnani.

While known for his outside shooting, Bargnani, who lives in Rome, has been a subpar rebounder, charged with lacking toughness and a stronger work ethic.

One source close to the Bargnani situation said he is best when he has another European on his squad, and fell apart when Jose Calderon was traded to the Pistons two years ago. The source said Bargnani is hopeful Spanish Leaguer Pablo Prigioni is re-signed by the Knicks.

“Everyone likes his talent, I just doubted how much he loves the game,’’ one NBA GM said. “He likes the game but loves what comes with it. ‘’

The Knicks and Raptors made final revisions to the trade, which won’t become official until July 10. In order to complete the deal, the Knicks will throw in Quentin Richardson in a sign-and-trade scenario to make the math work. Richardson was signed in the final days of the regular season by the Knicks for insurance, but only played during garbage time in the playoffs.The team needed an extra contract, and Richardson signed for the veteran’s minimum of $1.4 million. Because Richardson will be added as a free agent, the deal can’t be announced until the signing period begins in eight days.

The Knicks and Raptors tried to get the original package completed by Sunday night, but the NBA was unable to approve it. Because all of the salary changes that went into effect yesterday, the deal had to be altered to abide by the collective bargaining agreement trade rules.
 4 years ago '04        #10122
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Hahn pt. 2

“@Piaisnumber1: @alanhahn how about getting Lin back home he's on the trading block? Need pg” You mean the contract Knicks didn't want? lol

“@JayThreeMusic: @alanhahn we have shump no need for allen” Both could be fun, at least defensively.

“@NucleoBomz: @alanhahn what are the chances of KryptoNate making his return to the Blue & Orange?” I don't see it.

“@MannersNYC: What about JJ Hickson @alanhahn or is that for later in the month?” I expect he will be out of their price range.
 4 years ago '04        #10123
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JJ Hickson would be interesting since he would be playing against his fav. player Amar'e
 4 years ago '04        #10124
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Berman

After the additions of 7-foot power forward Andrea Bargnani and first-round pick Tim Hardaway Jr., the Knicks are still looking to add a prototype small forward to their roster, in addition to a point guard.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks are pursuing Rockets free agent small forward Francisco Garcia and former Knick Matt Barnes. The Knicks traded small forward Steve Novak in the Bargnani deal and are not confident they can re-sign forward Chris Copeland.

The source said the 6-foot-7 Garcia, who was born in the Dominican Republic but grew up in The Bronx, has interest in joining the Knicks. He averaged 10.7 points in the playoffs for the Rockets, who didn’t renew his option. (He also played with the Kings last season).

Garcia, drafted out of Louisville, is a good 3-point shooter and defender. The Knicks have their veteran’s minimum and their $3.19 million mid-level exception. They prefer to use the mid-level on a point guard, but one target, C.J. Watson, agreed to terms with the Pacers.

Will Bynum, Aaron Brooks, Devin Harris and Sebastian Telfair are some of the point guards the Knicks reached out to on the first day of free agency. They also sent out a feeler for former Knick Nate Robinson, but a person familiar with the team’s thinking said a reunion is highly unlikely.

* The under-the-cap Pistons have been mentioned as a potential big suitor for J.R. Smith, but a league source said Detroit’s interest isn’t strong. The Bucks also have reported interest, especially after losing Monta Ellis, who has opted out of the final season of his contract, worth $11 million. The Knicks can only offer Smith a contract starting at $5.5 million. The Bucks had offered Ellis a three-year, $36 million extension, but he declined. The Knicks would be considered more than long hots to sway Ellis for the $3.19 million.

* Marcus Camby, part of the Bargnani deal, expressed his displeasure at how he was treated last season in a statement released by his agent. He also hinted at retirement.

“It’s unfortunate that I wasn’t given a meaningful opportunity to contribute last season in New York,” Camby said. “I was really looking forward to the coming year as a chance to show the organization what they missed out on last year, and pushing our team towards the Finals.’’

Camby hinted he doesn’t want to play in Toronto, where he was drafted.

“Given that my goal at this point in my career is to have a shot at a championship, however, I’ll have to evaluate my options going forward,” he said. “I’ve enjoyed a great career and under the right circumstances I hope to continue making an impact in the league.”
 4 years ago '09        #10125
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Actually surprised I ain't hearin anything bout jr...not even reports of teams showing interest...might get keep him after all
 4 years ago '04        #10126
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 59fifty said:
Actually surprised I ain't hearin anything bout jr...not even reports of teams showing interest...might get keep him after all
Bucks and Suns are the only teams ive been hearing that are interested
 4 years ago '04        #10127
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With free agency resources are as limited as they are this year for #Knicks, patience is key, but a concern.

Hahn

So aside from the angst-inspiring Bargnani trade, which was done before free agency began, why have the Knicks been so quiet so far while other capped-out teams (i.e.: Nets/Kyle Korver, Bulls/Mike Dunleavy Jr.) are already locking in targets?

For starters, the Knicks have to tend to their own free agents before they can use up the few dollars, and roster spots, they have on others.

J.R. Smith is one important domino. The Knicks don't need to use an exception to re-sign him, but with his Early Bird Rights, they can only re-sign him up to league average. If he takes a bigger offer to go elsewhere, the Knicks will need to replace his scoring and Sixth Man ability.

And the only way they can do it, aside from a trade, is to use their Taxpayer's Mid-Level Exception ($3.1M per).

If he does re-sign (which, to me, is a likely scenario), the Knicks still can't throw the entire TMLE at one free agent until they know what they're doing with Chris Copeland. The rookie is reportedly getting a lot of interest from teams -- Bucks, Pacers, Pelicans, Jazz and Nuggets -- and, though he has said he would love to return to New York, at 29, this may be his one time to cash in on his career.

The Knicks don't have Bird Rights on Copeland, so they can't resign him for much more than his qualifying offer ($988K) unless they dip into the TMLE.

So if they have a target with the full TMLE and don't want to lose that player, they may have to make a decision before Copeland makes his decision.

Remember, you can split up the total TMLE and divide it among multiple players. So, for instance, if you can use it to keep Copeland at $1.2M, you have $1.8M to spend on another free agent (not much, no, but hey, it's better than the max veteran's minimum.

It's still early in the process, of course. And the Knicks will likely be more active later in July, once most of the money around the league has dried up. That's when veteran's minimums to play in New York on a playoff team will generate interest.

So while you may want to see action now from the Knicks, it may not come for another two weeks.
 4 years ago '04        #10128
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@JaredZwerling

League source: #Knicks are preparing to make offer to Elton Brand. Brand is from New York, wants to join winning team. Mutual interest high.
 4 years ago '04        #10129
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Knicks, Clips & Blazers among teams expressing interest in Euroleague star Bobby Brown, who also has multiple big offers to return to Europ
 4 years ago '04        #10130
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Jared Zwerling

he New York Knicks are preparing to make an offer to Elton Brand, a league source confirmed to ESPNNewYork.com.

The terms of the offer for the veteran power forward are undisclosed at this point.

The Knicks have been after Brand since the start of free agency. Brand is arguably the best big man available for post scoring and rebounding, which the team absolutely needs. Brand is not only a solid rotation player -- he is fine with coming off the bench -- but insurance, as well, considering Amar'e Stoudemire's recent injury history.

Several other teams have expressed interest in Brand, according to the source. Brand is attracted to the Knicks because of their winning culture and first-class organization. In addition, the team is close to his hometown -- he's from Cortlandt Manor, N.Y., and his mother, Daisy, still lives nearby -- and qualify of life is important to him as he decides on his next team.

Brand, 34, has averaged 17.4 points, 9.1 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in his 14-year career. Last season in Dallas, he averaged 7.2 points, 6.0 rebounds and 1.3 blocks in 21 minutes per game.

If the Knicks sign Brand, they might not consider re-signing power forward Kenyon Martin. They also need a point guard and small forward. A league source told ESPNNewYork.com on Tuesday that "both [point guard] Nate Robinson and [small forward] Matt Barnes have notified the Knicks of their interest. They're waiting to see where the Knicks are."

Up next on the Knicks' immediate priority list is re-signing J.R. Smith and then potentially splitting up their mini mid-level exception of $3.18 million to sign Pablo Prigioni and Chris Copeland. While Prigioni is likely deciding between the Knicks and returning to Spain, where he lives in the offseason and has played professionally for many years, Copeland already has received several offers from different teams.
 4 years ago '04        #10131
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 Born_Loser said:
@JaredZwerling

League source: #Knicks are preparing to make offer to Elton Brand. Brand is from New York, wants to join winning team. Mutual interest high.
i went to high school with Elton, shyt if he can still play grab him ny
 4 years ago '04        #10132
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Berman

As expected, #Knicks have contacted agent about PG Will Bynum. Also have checked in on PG Earl Watson for vet minimum.
 4 years ago '08        #10133
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Lol we gonna have so many pfs brand,amare,bargs,kmart? Leslie too if he makes the roster
 4 years ago '04        #10134
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 dj ac said:
Lol we gonna have so many pfs brand,amare,bargs,kmart? Leslie too if he makes the roster
atleast we wont be able to whine about the lack of them anymore
 4 years ago '09        #10135
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I wouldn't be mad at the brand pick up but damn datz mad pfs, sh*t wut dalembert doin?...we can't grip him up?
 4 years ago '06        #10136
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 4 years ago '04        #10137
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and the bidding begins, Lakers made Cope an offer
 4 years ago '07        #10138
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 Born_Loser said:
and the bidding begins, Lakers made Cope an offer
whats the numbers on the contract?
 4 years ago '04        #10139
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 I Am The Truth said:
whats the numbers on the contract?
haven't been released yet, just been reported that they offered him a deal.....to make matters worst, i have yet to read that the Knicks even called this n*gga, Mike D'Antoni personally called him at 12:01
 4 years ago '04        #10140
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Ian O'Connor

Chances are, Carmelo Anthony was being genuine when he used the occasion of his most recent playoff elimination to declare his long-term commitment to the New York Knicks.

Anthony said he wasn't going anywhere, sort of, after the Indiana Pacers took him out in six in the second round, and you could see why. He forced his way from Denver to Madison Square Garden in the winter of 2011, forced his hometown Knicks to send everyone but Clyde Frazier back to the Nuggets, and he understands how any suggestion he might flee as a free agent next summer might make him look like the me-centric diva many thought him to be.

With George Karl and Mike D'Antoni as roadkill in his rearview mirror, Melo did too much this past season to repair his image -- playing relatively selflessly, defending the ball, even emerging as a leader -- to throw it all away with a threat about opting out of his contract a year from now.

"I know I'm going to be here for a long time," Anthony said on exit-interview day, otherwise known as baggie day.

The quote played better than the one about what might be the most scrutinized New York opt-out clause since your favorite Charleston Riverdog, Alex Rodriguez, all but jumped onto the field during Game 4 of the 2007 World Series between Boston and Colorado and shouted for someone to show him the money.

"When that time comes," Melo said of his own contractual escape hatch, "I'll deal with it." But how will he deal with it if next season shows what many already suspect, that the Miami Heat, Brooklyn Nets, Indiana Pacers, and Chicago Bulls will demote the Knicks from a 2- to a 5-seed in the East and leave them a likely first- or second-round knockout victim all over again?

As much as the Brooklyn-born Anthony loves Broadway, loves being the big star in the big city, he knows he'll be judged on whether he ends the kind of championship drought for the Knicks that Mark Messier ended for the Rangers.

Messier, Eli Manning, and Derek Jeter are franchise players forever remembered for the parades they delivered and the champagne bottles they popped. Patrick Ewing? Though he's remembered as a great Knick, people never let him forget that he didn't win the big one, even if he never had the requisite help to win the big one.

Anthony should be afraid of meeting that same fate in New York. In fact, he should be very, very afraid.

Miami has a Big Three going for a Big Three-peat, and the Bulls and Pacers return Derrick Rose and Danny Granger. Brooklyn added Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to a starting five that features at least four players better than the Knicks' likely No. 2 option, J.R. Smith or Andrea Bargnani.

Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald appears to be grab-bagging it now, overspending a combined $28.2 million over seven years on Steve Novak and Marcus Camby one summer, then shipping them off for a failing prospect on a losing team the next.

Bargnani can score from the outside, and he's better than Novak and Camby, no question about that. But he's a former No. 1 overall pick who isn't anything close to what he was supposed to be in Toronto. In other words, even at the cost of a first-round pick in 2016, Bargnani doesn't move Melo any closer to that parade.

Ewing is surely feeling Anthony's pain. Back in the day, he tried to escape New York by taking an arbitration case to the Knicks, arguing the team had violated a clause in his deal ensuring that he own one of the league's top four salaries. His bid for free agency denied by the arbitrator, Ewing spent the rest of his prime waiting for Pat Riley, Dave Checketts, and Ernie Grunfeld to find him a Scottie Pippen to call his own.

Knicks management could never do better than Charles Oakley, John Starks, Anthony Mason, Derek Harper, Ro Blackman, Doc Rivers, and Charles Smith. Allan Houston, Larry Johnson, and Latrell Sprewell were brought in for Ewing's twilight years. "I would've loved to have played with a bona fide superstar," Ewing told ESPNNewYork.com in March before rattling off the names of the teammates who were good-but-not-great sidekicks.

"I had very good players on my team. ... But they still weren't Carmelo Anthony."

Ewing and Anthony would've won one together, maybe when Michael Jordan was off playing the kind of minor league baseball A-Rod was playing Tuesday night in Charleston. Ewing got to a Game 7 of the Finals without a Melo; Melo has yet to reach the championship round without a Ewing.

Just as Ewing's GM, Grunfeld, tried (and failed) to work the problem, Melo's GM, Grunwald, has scrambled in vain to find the difference-making deal. He gambled away the money once meant for a Chris Paul bid, put it on Tyson Chandler, and watched Chandler turn up sick and injured and ineffective for two postseasons running.

And yes, it was hard to knock the Chandler deal at the time. The guy was a pro's pro who helped Dirk Nowitzki win it all and who played with relentless intensity on both sides of the floor. But the move has to be judged on the results, and Chandler has proven you can be the Defensive Player of the Year in the NBA without being a legitimate star.

You also don't have to be Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, vocal critic of the lesser lights a.ssembled around his guy, Anthony, to understand why Grunwald's attempt to mirror the 2011 Dallas model (one franchise player, not two, surrounded by an opportunistic supporting cast) did not work. The Knicks didn't have enough skilled size in the post, and they relied too heavily on the unreliable J.R. Smith.

Grunwald has to realize now that you simply can't when a championship when Smith is your second-best offensive player.

But the capped-out, taxed-out Knicks have little choice but to try to sign back Smith, and hope Iman Shumpert develops into next season's Paul George (minus a few inches). They need to hope that Amar'e Stoudemire finally remains healthy on limited minutes, and that Bargnani somehow re-emerges as a force worthy of being the top pick in the draft.

It's an awful lot to ask for, especially now that the Knicks are reduced to pursuing the remains of Elton Brand, not to be confused with the remains of Camby, Rasheed Wallace, and Kurt Thomas. The Knicks can't sign any major free agents, and unless they're willing to package Chandler and Shumpert, they can't convince another team to give them a potential Pippen for Melo.

"I think the Knicks are in quicksand now," said one longtime NBA dealmaker who has done business with them. "They're not going to win 54 games again with this group, and they're probably a 5-seed in the East. Brooklyn has definitely passed them by."

The new Nets of Garnett and Pierce could encounter their own problems with age and mileage, but for now they sure don't lack the kind of firepower needed to challenge Miami. The Knicks? They'll still have a winning team and the league's premier scorer in Anthony, enough reason to keep filling up the Garden.

But when they fail to reach the conference final again next summer, will Melo start looking at the Knicks the way Ewing looked at them during his failed bid for free agency in 1991? Will he be next July's Dwight Howard? Will he run off to Hollywood with another pending free agent, LeBron James, and join a Lakers team that will have only one contract (Steve Nash's) on the books if Howard leaves?

Chances are, Carmelo Anthony is telling the truth when he swears his allegiance to the Knicks. That doesn't mean their roster won't change his mind, and heart, this time next year.
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