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 4 years ago '04        #10041
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Ian Begley

WHAT IT MEANS: If Tim Hardaway Jr. is anywhere near as good as his father was, the Knicks will be in good shape. New York addressed their need for a wing in Thursday's draft, selecting Hardaway Jr. with the 24th pick.

Hardaway Jr. is the son of former Heat point guard and longtime Knicks nemesis Tim Hardaway.

The Knicks passed up several point guard prospects and big man prospects to select Hardaway Jr., who starred at Michigan.

The selection of a wing is seen as insurance in case J.R. Smith signs elsewhere this summer. They Knicks also wanted a wing to complement Carmelo Anthony at power forward.

STRENGTHS: According to someone in the room, the 6-6 Hardaway Jr. had a strong workout with the Knicks earlier this month. He showed that he can get his shot off the dribble and get to the rim.

He also can be a good defender when he is engaged, according to scouting reports.

WEAKNESSES: The biggest concerns about Hardaway are his shot selection and consistency. He also needs to improve his dribble, according to several scouting reports.

BYE BYE J.R.? The selection of Hardaway Jr. can be seen as a sign that the Knicks are concerned that J.R. Smith won't be back next season. New York can only offer Smith approximately $5 million dollars annually with standard raises over four years. Other teams with cap space, including Milwaukee and Detroit, are expected to make strong offers for Smith, a free agent. The 2012-13 Sixth Man Award winner may have to accept less money if he wants to stay in New York. Hardaway Jr. is insurance for the Knicks in case Smith decides to take his talents elsewhere.

WHO'D THEY PASS UP? UNC wing Reggie Bullock was on the board at 24. The Knicks were impressed by Bullocks workout. Murray State point guard Isiah Canaan and North Texas power forward Tony Mitchell were also available. Many draft experts pegged the athletic Mitchell to go to the Knicks.

There were other wings on the board when the Knicks picked: Alan Crabbe, Jamaal Franklin and Glen Rice Jr. among them. New York also passed up point guard Nate Wolters and big man Mike Muscala, both of whom worked out for the team earlier this month.

WHO WASN'T AVAILABLE? The Hawks took German point guard Dennis Schroeder, a playmaker the Knicks coveted, at 17.

Miami point guard Shane Larkin went 18 to the Mavericks, who acquired the pick from Atlanta. The Knicks would've loved to take Larkin as a backup guard.

Also, Chicago took wing Tony Snell at 20 and Gorgui Dieng went 21 to Minnesota, via Utah. Both players worked out for the Knicks and many believed New York would jump at the chance to take Dieng, a Louisville big man, if he was available.

QUESTION: What do you think of the Hardaway Jr. pick? Like it? Hate it?
 4 years ago '11        #10042
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I say keep Novak, he's instant offense. I like the Tim Jr. pick a.ssuming J.R doesn't resign., but we need to get big. Somehow. Someway. We gone make it up out this life.
 4 years ago '05        #10043
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 4 years ago '11        #10044
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Please get Nate Wolters in this 2nd round somehow
 4 years ago '04        #10045
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Archie to the Suns it looks like but doesn't matter, don't think the Knicks will pick another guard if they trade for another pick
 4 years ago '04        #10046
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 imtheman718 said:
I say keep Novak, he's instant offense. I like the Tim Jr. pick a.ssuming J.R doesn't resign., but we need to get big. Somehow. Someway. We gone make it up out this life.
wasn't instant offense all of last season though
 4 years ago '05        #10047
s1eepyboy 12 heat pts12
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fu*k Novak b
 4 years ago '04        #10048
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Wolters, Mitchell & Leslie in that order for me for 2nd rounders
 4 years ago '11        #10049
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 Born_Loser said:
wasn't instant offense all of last season though
I remember when Woodson put him in during that pacer series, he pop a three from deep straight off the bench. Woodson should've put him in rotation for that series.
 4 years ago '04        #10050
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 imtheman718 said:
I remember when Woodson put him in during that pacer series, he pop a three from deep straight off the bench. Woodson should've put him in rotation for that series.
if dude ain't willing to be more than a spot up shooter, fu*k him...u wanna make sitting on the corner and shoot 3's ur only nitch, you can't be missing as much as he did last season especially when we needed him the most. and now it looks like the Celtics/BK trade is official, can't be having dudes not putting in work
 4 years ago '05        #10051
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 Born_Loser said:
if dude ain't willing to be more than a spot up shooter, fu*k him...u wanna make sitting on the corner and shoot 3's ur only nitch, you can't be missing as much as he did last season especially when we needed him the most. and now it looks like the Celtics/BK trade is official, can't be having dudes not putting in work
tell him
 4 years ago '11        #10052
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 Born_Loser said:
if dude ain't willing to be more than a spot up shooter, fu*k him...u wanna make sitting on the corner and shoot 3's ur only nitch, you can't be missing as much as he did last season especially when we needed him the most. and now it looks like the Celtics/BK trade is official, can't be having dudes not putting in work
im not mad at him being a spot up shooter. if he could add a couple moves off the dribble then thats all gravy. the problem is we don't have a post player that can spread the floor. if stat could stay healthy and can learn to play in the post(as well as chandler), kick on the double, novack is water. he's a shooter with size thats not taking up salary and not a problem in the locker room. he's a role player. can't be mad at him.
 4 years ago '04        #10053
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looks like im gaming for the rest of the evening

Ian Begley

Grunwald hinted that the #Knicks tried to obtain a second-round pick tonight but weren't able to do so.
 4 years ago '05        #10054
s1eepyboy 12 heat pts12
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:( sigh
 4 years ago '04        #10055
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and that small chance of Sheed coming back ain't happening, he's going to join Detroit's coaching staff
 4 years ago '05        #10056
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there goes Wolters :(
 4 years ago '08        #10057
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R we still getting a 2nd round pick?
 4 years ago '05        #10058
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 dj ac said:
R we still getting a 2nd round pick?
nah
 4 years ago '04        #10059
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CJ Leslie will be a knick, Glen confirmed he signed him. Will post it when I get in my office
 4 years ago '04        #10060
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Hahn

He remembers, of course. Tim Hardaway Jr. was in his most impressionable years when his father joined the Heat and battled -- and it was a battle -- the Knicks in the playoffs every spring from 1997 until 2000. If there was ever a team for him to inherently hate, it was the Knicks.

"Yeah, I remember a lot of f!ghts," the 21-year-old said recently. "Zo and Ewing, Oakley and Zo, other people and Zo . . ."

But that was another era, one long gone. One in which the Knicks, aside from that maddening '97 series, usually owned.

But these days, the Heat are the indomitable ones. The Knicks are trying to collect the pieces to beat them. Hardaway Jr. now has to become one of the key pieces in that quest.

"You watch a guy like Danny Green," Hardaway Jr.'s college coach, John Beilein told MLive.com, "that's [a role I see] Tim having some day."

Green played a big part in the Spurs' effort to dethrone the Heat in the NBA Finals. He set an NBA record for three-pointers in a Finals series and also was a big part of the Spurs' defensive effort against LeBron James. Green faded late in the series, however, as the Spurs blew a chance to win it in Game 6 and lost the title in Game 7.

Hardaway Jr. has a similar skill set in that he is a very good shooter and is also an athletic and aggressive wing defender.

"We think we added a great piece to our team," Glen Grunwald said. "We felt he was the best player available" at No. 24 overall.

Grunwald admitted needs in several areas and the Knicks hoped to target a point guard in the draft. Shane Larkin, was the last PG the team had on its board, but he didn't come close to falling to them. Larkin was scooped up at No. 18.

There was an effort made to move into the second round -- perhaps to nab Nate Wolters or Isaiah Canaan -- but they couldn't find a trading partner. "We had a lot of great ideas," Grunwald said, "no one seemed to agree with them."

Still, getting Hardaway Jr. helps the team get two elements they needed: younger and more athletic. He and Iman Shumpert should make an energetic, defensive-minded duo, which we will get a preview of on the Knicks' summer league team in Las Vegas next month.

While for now he conjures images of a noted Knick foe from the past, Hardaway Jr. can soon begin to create his own name.
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