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 4 years ago '04        #9961
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im just hoping i'm wrong and Nate is still on the board...just don't see how The Hawks and Jazz can pass on him (if Dennis is gone) or if another team comes in and trades for a mid teen to 23 pick. Dolan better give Mavs some cash and a future pick cause MC-Dub would be a good look too


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 4 years ago '04        #9962
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Hahn

The #Knicks have a rare 1st round pick in NBA Draft. A breakdown of few picks they own over the next four years:

Building a veteran roster meant mortgaging some of the future. Those moves will be felt over the next few years in the draft as the Knicks won't have consecutive first round picks until 2015-16.

They made the most of their last appearance in the first round, by nabbing Iman Shumpert at No. 17 in the 2011 draft. Shumpert turned into an All-Rookie team player and a talent many feel is on the rise.

Last season the Knicks didn't have a first rounder (that one went to the Rockets in the Jared Jeffries salary dump move in 2010), but did take Greek prospect Kostas Papanikolaou with their second round pick. Papanikolaou, who spent this past season in Europe, was later traded to Portland in the Raymond Felton deal.

This year the team holds a first rounder (No. 24) and at one time did have two second rounders. But one of the second rounders (acquired in 2010 from Golden State in the David Lee sign-and-trade) was sent to the Nuggets in the Melo trade in Feb. 2011, while the other went to Washington in the three-team sign-and-trade for Tyson Chandler in Dec. 2011.

The team could buy a second round pick if they so choose, but they might find better use of their money. It's also possible to trade a future second for a second rounder in this year's draft if there is a team with multiple picks that is willing to move one.

Looking ahead to next year, which is being projected to be a great draft class, the Knicks do not own a first rounder. That pick went to Denver in the Melo trade. They also sent their second round pick in that draft to Houston in the Marcus Camby sign-and-trade, but they won't be completely empty-handed: they own Oklahoma City's second round pick from the Ronnie Brewer trade.

The Knicks own their first round pick in 2015 and will have consecutive first rounders for the first time since 2008-09, though the Nuggets have the right to swap first rounders in 2016.

We'll known by then if it was all worth it, but the pressure is on the college scouts to make the most of the few picks the team does have right now.

They've also managed to make the most of finding players outside of the draft, such as with Chris Copeland and Pablo Prigioni.

What do you think the Knicks need to do with their first round pick?
 4 years ago '04        #9963
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if NYK can't acquire the Mavs pick at 13....Denver according to the internet machine is more than willing to give up their pick (27th), draft may not be deep full of future all stars but for playoff teams, lot of good pieces n role players left
 4 years ago '05        #9964
s1eepyboy 12 heat pts12
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I got a feeling players are being highly underrated from this draft especially with the way the nba is changing a lot of players have a chance to breakout on the right team.

All I can think about is Norris cole being the stud he is due to being with wade n born everyday....

Just imagine Nate wolters pickin up defensive tips from shump and offense from melo....oh yeah Walters avg 7.4 fta a game




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  Career: | Aug 13: 94-60, Rank #50 | Aug 12: 34-21, Rank #101 | Aug 11: 41-32, Rank #129 | Aug 10: 89-44, Rank #86 *
 4 years ago '04        #9965
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has the potential to be J. Kidd 2.0 even though he drives to the basket like Devin Harris
 4 years ago '06        #9966
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i want a PG

but knowing these n*ggas they'll select a European undersized PF
 4 years ago '04        #9967
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make it sound like they have a long history of drafting international dudes in the 1st round
 4 years ago '04        #9968
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Tommy Dee

So the word that JR Smith is opting out is one that we heard come from Moke Hamilton months back and it’s also one that shouldn’t come as a surprise. One can also make an a.ssumption that JR will be back based on the fact that he said he wanted to retire in blue and orange.

Part of me wants to see the Knicks let JR walk, but I know that his ability to put the ball in the basket, regardless of how maddening his shot selection is, is a major commodity. Iman Shumpert isn’t ready to take the role of the team’s second scorer despite his heroic performance against Indiana. Major minutes or not I just don’t see him ready to produce the volume of points Smith produces.

So who will be there dependable second scorer? It isn’t Amar’e and I really hope going forward it isn’t Smith. He’s just too inconsistent in big games. They need to address who the professional second option is going to be and if they don’t I’m going to be very disappointed. We know what they have now and that’s a good team that can beat teams during the regular season. But they aren’t good enough and if they can get a better second scoring option then they have to explore it all costs. JR has hit his ceiling and Shumpert is still an relative offensive unknown who wants more minutes and more opportunities to score.

Time to make a decision on how they can make the logical next step as a team to get over the hump and push towards the Finals.
 4 years ago '04        #9969
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Berman

Knicks free agent Chris Copeland could fly the coop for the Big Easy to become a Pelican, The Post has learned.

According to an NBA source, the newly named New Orleans Pelicans are planning to make a strong bid for the 6-foot-9 sniper as they are well under the salary cap and can make an offer that will blow Knicks owner James Dolan out of the water.

The Knicks can match any Copeland offer since he is a restricted free agent, but only up to $3.1 million — their mini mid-level exception. Since the Pelicans are under the cap, they can easily top that number.

The Pelicans are thin at small forward, having started Al-Farouq Aminu this season. The former Hornets love the inside-outside game Copeland displayed as a Knicks rookie out of the Ethias League in Belgium.

The new rules of the collective bargaining agreement penalizing luxury-taxpayers could very well end the Knicks’ chances of keeping Copeland. Under the old CBA, the Knicks’ mid-level exception was $5.5 million to sign a free agent. But the taxpayers’ mid-level is just $3.18 million now.

Pacers president Donnie Walsh also has interest in Copeland after watching him in the playoff series against Indiana. But Indiana is not under the salary cap. Copeland has stated his strong preference is to remain a Knick, but the financial situation may make that impossible.

The Post first reported Copeland was seeking “Steve Novak money’’ — four years, $16 million.

In anticipation of Copeland’s possible departure, the Knicks worked out their former 3-point ace Shawne Williams yesterday.
 4 years ago '04        #9970
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Thursday's NBA Draft is only a few days away. Teams have mostly wrapped up pre-draft workouts as they narrow down their focus to the guys they expect to be in their range when they pick.

The Knicks have worked out a number of prospects that could be in the mix at 24, so we take another look at who the pundits see them taking in a few days.

DraftExpress.com picks...Jamaal Franklin (6-5, 191 lbs, 21 years old). Shooting Guard, San Diego State

Previous selections: Daric Saric (SF, Croatia), Reggie Bullock (G/F, North Carolina)

KnicksNow: Franklin is an NBA shooting guard prospect, but that is more a function of his size than his skill set. At San Diego State, he was essentially a 6-5 point forward in a four-guard offense tasked with doing just about everything for his team to win. He led the Aztecs in scoring, a.ssists, rebounds, and steals per game thanks to his great tenacity and constantly-running motor.

His best attribute as a pro prospect is his physical build -- his great size and length for an NBA 2-guard should make the transition to the NBA game easier for him than most rookies -- and well-rounded game. He pulled down 9.4 rebounds a game and shows great instincts as a passer and facilitator, in addition to what scouts see as incredible defensive potential.

He'll have to work on his shooting stroke to fulfill the responsibilities of a prototypical starting shooting guard, but history tells us that shooting is a skill that can improve as a pro. Franklin shot under 30 percent from three as a junior, but with a player in his situation, who was asked to do so much for his team, it wouldn't be surprising to see him develop a jumper once he commits to a full-time professional development program.

NBADraft.net picks...Tim Hardaway, Jr. (6-6, 185, 21 years old). Shooting Guard, Michigan.

Previous selection: Gorgui Dieng (F/C, Louisville)

KnicksNow: Hardaway, Jr. has been a regular in mock drafts at pick 24 for a while now. He fits the profile of what the Knicks could be looking for as a versatile, experienced college player with a winning attitude. Like most of these players, he made a visit to MSG Training Center for a workout, and it would be no surprise to see him drafted at or right around pick 24.

He doesn't have a standout tool, but scouts love his makeup, ability to knock down shots and play defense. His leadership on Michigan's run to the National Championship game is also seen as a point in his favor.

SI.com picks...Jeff Withey (7-0, 222, 23 years old). Center, Kansas.

Previous Selections: Withey, Rudy Gobert (C, France)

KnicksNow: Withey is another common pick for the Knicks in mock drafts, and it's easy to see why. Teams are always looking for front court depth and Withey's shot-blocking prowess, Jayhawk pedigree and year-after-year improvement makes him an obvious candidate for teams looking to bolster their big men rotations.

SI's Chris Mannix says that he'd be a great fit for the Knicks if he can just "rebound, defend and finish around the rim," and some believe he could do even more than that down the road. He's 23 years old, but his development curve has been moving upward consistently and he's a better athlete than he gets credit for.

For all these reasons, he could be in play for the Knicks at 24 or he could be long gone.

ESPN.com picks...Tony Mitchell (6-9, 236, 21 years old). Power Forward, North Texas.

Previous Selections: Mitchell, Glen Rice, Jr. (SF, Georgia Tech/NBDL)

Mitchell, another prospect who worked out for the Knicks, remains in the mock draft mix at pick 24. Scouts drool over his pysical attributes, especially the 7-2 wingspan, and defensive potential.

As an offensive player, he's seen as somewhat of a project, having played against inferior competition at North Texas. He struggled with efficiency in college, but that could have a lot to do with the fact that he was always the primary focus of opposing teams.

Ford also notes that Nate Wolters, the 6-4 guard out of South Dakota State who worked out for the Knicks last Tuesday, could be a sleeper here.

NBA.com picks...Shane Larkin (5-11, 171, 20 years old). Point Guard, Miami.

KnicksNow: The thinking behind this mock selection is that Larkin would provide athleticism as a backup to Raymond Felton. While Felton is penciled in as the starter, the Knicks showed the value of having multiple point guards on the roster this season and could certainly look to add one at 24 on Thursday.

Larkin is slightly undersized for a point guard, but that may be the only knock on his game. As a sophomore, he led Miami's attack with poise and showed the kind of decion making that teams will be looking for at the position.

Says DraftExpress.com, after diving into the numbers:

Larkin's value proposition at the next level is simple, he created more combined points on the pick and roll for himself and his teammates last season than any prospect in the country at 14.3 points per game. Playing in a pick and roll heavy, pro-style offense, Larkin kept defenses honest with his jump shot, which ranks second most efficient (among point guards) at 1.137 points per shot, and showed excellent command of the ball, turning the ball over on just 11.3% of his possessions in the two-man game.
 4 years ago '04        #9971
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if Nate or Dieng are both available.....gotta take Gorgui Dieng, especially if Isiah will hopefully be available to buy in the 2nd round
 4 years ago '05        #9972
s1eepyboy 12 heat pts12
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take Nate over Dieng




  9 - 3 STRK: 2 w in a row WIN PCT: 75% 100 (0) 
  Career: | Aug 13: 94-60, Rank #50 | Aug 12: 34-21, Rank #101 | Aug 11: 41-32, Rank #129 | Aug 10: 89-44, Rank #86 *
 4 years ago '04        #9973
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Marc Berman of the New York Post is reporting the Knicks and a handful of other teams are interested in acquiring Greek small forward Kostas Papanikolaou, whose rights the Trail Blazers received from the Knicks as a part of the Raymond Felton trade.

"The Knicks have offered future second-round picks and future considerations (cash) to Portland in an attempt to regain the rights to small forward Kostas Papanikolaou, according to sources.

The Trail Blazers have rebuffed the Knicks and were asking for their 24th pick in a swap with Portland’s 39th pick Thursday night to pony up the 6-foot-9 Greek.

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According to sources, Papanikolaou, who won his second straight Euroleague championship for Olympiakos last month, is being shopped by the Blazers — at the request of his agent, Marc Cornstein.

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According to sources, Portland has received offers for Papanikolaou from others teams with picks in the late 20s. It appears Portland GM Neil Oshey wants to wait until draft night to determine who is available. The Blazers believe if Papanikolaou were in this year’s draft, he’d easily be a first-rounder.

“His strong desire is to play in the NBA next season,’’ Cornstein told The Post yesterday. “He’s won two straight Euroleague titles. If that can’t happen in Portland, maybe it can happen somewhere else.’’"

There have been rumors for a while that the Blazers would try to trade Papanikolaou's rights. I'm just surprised that, from the sound of it, they're going to get a first-rounder out of it. Even in a weak draft, that's a hell of a deal.

Not only did that sign-and-trade for Felton, who was never going to play again for the Trail Blazers anyway, net Portland the trade exception that turned into Eric Maynor, but it sounds like they could very well end up with a first-round pick out of it as well. That's as good of a return on investment as you're going to get.
 4 years ago '04        #9974
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i'm still at NYK for trading Kostas
 4 years ago '07        #9975
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 Born_Loser said:
i'm still at NYK for trading Kostas
why? we needed him to solidfy the Felton trade... without Ray Ray we don't get the #2 seed. Plus I rather us try to buy a 2nd round pick or still try to trade up for the #13 pick
 4 years ago '04        #9976
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 I Am The Truth said:
why? we needed him to solidfy the Felton trade... without Ray Ray we don't get the #2 seed. Plus I rather us try to buy a 2nd round pick or still try to trade up for the #13 pick
True but I just wanted to see if he game translated well cause he could have been a good and CHEAP piece... If it didn't, he was cheap to move or buyout
 4 years ago '05        #9977
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2 more daysssss




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  Career: | Aug 13: 94-60, Rank #50 | Aug 12: 34-21, Rank #101 | Aug 11: 41-32, Rank #129 | Aug 10: 89-44, Rank #86 *
 4 years ago '07        #9978
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cmon Oladipo or MCW (in a pipe dream)... but on the reals... Dieng, Larkin, Franklin, Crabbe, Schroeder, Bullock... let's go, we can't lose this time around
 4 years ago '05        #9979
s1eepyboy 12 heat pts12
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 I Am The Truth said:
cmon Oladipo or MCW (in a pipe dream)... but on the reals... Dieng, Larkin, Franklin, Crabbe, Schroeder, Bullock... let's go, we can't lose this time around
U left out Nate wolters




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  Career: | Aug 13: 94-60, Rank #50 | Aug 12: 34-21, Rank #101 | Aug 11: 41-32, Rank #129 | Aug 10: 89-44, Rank #86 *
 4 years ago '04        #9980
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if Larkin is still available, a lot of GM's need to be fired
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