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 5 years ago '04        #9641
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MARC BERMAN

LOS ANGELES — J.R. Smith sounded the alarm yesterday in Los Angeles after the Knicks fell to 0-4 on their nightmarish West Coast trip, after Lob City was too much for Limp City.

The Knicks were undermanned again without their “Trio Grande’’ frontcourt and could be without them again tonight in the trip’s finale. Carmelo Anthony sat in the locker room during the game getting treatment, and said as he walked to the bus: “Not going to talk today.’’

It is highly unlikely Anthony plays tonight, though Tyson Chandler’s chances are better.

It doesn’t matter to Smith, now the voice of the locker room with Anthony rehabbing from his knee drainage, Chandler battling a strained muscle in his neck and bruised left knee and Amar’e Stoudemire home rehabbing his surgically repaired left knee.

Smith, who has been playing through a sore left knee, questioned the team’s “heart’’ earlier in the trip and warned the club may be facing an early playoff exit if it doesn’t get with it.

“I’m fine [physically],’’ Smith said. “It’s just starting to take a toll on me mentally. Losing like this, knowing the type of team we were at the beginning of the year, we have to keep f!ghting through it.”

The Knicks (38-26) were 18-5 in mid-December. They are now one game below .500 since.

“I believe we can [get back to that],’’ Smith said. “We don’t have a choice. Either keep playing like this and have an early exit in the playoffs or start f!ghting. We need some help. We have to help each other on the offensive and defensive end. We can’t rely on our offense.”

The Knicks battled with heart for the first half and even came on in the fourth quarter to cut it briefly to nine. But they didn’t have the firepower to keep it up as the athletic Clippers opened a 19-point lead in the third.

“There are no moral victories here,’’ Smith said.

Smith had a bad shooting night (4 of 20), but he drove the ball hard and got to the line to make 8 of 9 free throws and finish with 17 points. The Knicks shot 35.8 percent overall.

“We couldn’t put the ball in the ocean,’’ Smith said.

Coach Mike Woodson questioned the team’s “shot selection” but that was nitpicking.

The Knicks have lost in double digits in all four games, outscored by a total of 80 points. At least the Knicks beat Utah at the Garden before leaving for this trip. However, the Jazz are coming off a big win against mighty Memphis. The Knicks haven’t won in Utah since 2005.

“Whether it is or it isn’t [with Anthony and Chandler tomorrow], we have to come out and f!ght and try to get a ‘W.’ We have to at least try to get one and go home feeling good about ourselves a little bit,” Woodson said. “After this 0-4, we have to find a way to get one win on the road trip.’’

Woodson said he “really didn’t know’’ whether Anthony or Chandler would play tonight and that means a ragtag starting frontcourt of Kurt Thomas, Kenyon Martin and Chris Copeland could go for the third straight game.

“We’re playing with guys we’re not accustomed to playing with,’’ Smith said. “We knew where guys would be in certain spots. You get thrown in there with some people that haven’t been playing all that much and we haven’t had time to practice, so we got to figure it out.’’

The Clippers’ highlight play of the day came in the third quarter. On the break, starting point guard Paul found Griffin with a high alley-oop pass over Copeland that Griffin thundered violently through the hoop with his right arm. Lob City indeed.

“They are a load,’’ Woodson said. “Jordan and Blake are big-time loads on that block.’’

Point guard Raymond Felton had 16 points and nine rebounds in a solid outing. Paul scored 20 points with eight a.ssists, and Griffin had 12 points and 12 boards and a series of ferocious slams.

For the second straight game, the Knicks started the ragtag frontcourt of 40-year-old Thomas, Martin and Copeland. Thomas and Martin combined to score six points.

“I thought we competed, these guys have pride,’’ said Martin. “This team is not made of one or two guys. But we have to stop the bleeding before we get back to New York.’’

The Knicks took a 8-0 and 13-7 leads and those were the highlights. The super acrobatic center Jordan gave the Clippers their first lead at 16-15 on a breakaway windmill dunk

The irony is the Clippers didn’t play all that sharp, were sloppy and still won handily. “We wanted them to be full throttle with Carmelo and Tyson just for the competition of it,’’ ex-Knick Chauncey Billups said. “But when they’re not playing, it’s kind of human nature to have a subconscious letdown, but you have to find a way to f!ght through it.’’
 5 years ago '07        #9642
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JR growing up... i hope he stays next season, even if his last name might as well be "Starks"... he's only right and we may really need Delonte West... cut James White yo
 5 years ago '04        #9643
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the injury bug continues as Kurt Thomas is out...Camby likely to start since Chandler isn't able to head to the arena
 5 years ago '04        #9644
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small ball lineup, P-Body n*ggas in the starting 5 and not Camby
 5 years ago '04        #9645
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Hahn

"Quote of the Day -- JR Smith: "We've got to figure out how to win some games without that $200 million sitting on the bench.

It was a reference to the team's three highest-paid -- and, naturally, most important -- players: Amar'e Stoudemire ($99.7 million contract), Carmelo Anthony ($65 million extension) and Tyson Chandler ($58 million contract).

Smith is actually off a few million, as the trio represents $223 million in total Knicks contracts. This season, they make up $53,002,987 in payroll.

More importantly is the bang-for-the-buck: the three lead the team in PER (Player Efficiency Rating): Melo (22.6), Amar'e (21.9) and Tyson (19.3).

And Chandler (8.9) and Anthony (6.4) lead the team in Win Shares, which calculates the number of wins attributed to the player. The Knicks are one of four teams (Heat, Thunder and Clippers) with two players in the top 10 for Win Shares.

Try removing that from any NBA team and see what you get."
 5 years ago '07        #9646
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is it just me, or should we be starting JR & Iman together if we got a super small ball line-up? just a thought...
 5 years ago '07        #9647
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word is that Krazy Eyes Kurt has a stress fracture in his foot... thoughts of who we should get NOW?

Delonte and....???
 5 years ago '04        #9648
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Kurt said he's gonna try and play tonight but to what Truth is asking, Troy Murphy is available, someone i personally wanted the Knicks to look at during the 2011 draft, Jeremy Tyler....

just sucks that ppl on the bench aren't utilized at all
 5 years ago '07        #9649
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cut James White & (sadly) Sheed...

we need Delonte and another big... idk if Tyler will cut it. He can be big and dumb at time (see Anthony Randolph) and Woody ain't keen on young dudes who are outta shape and don't work hard everyday....

I wanted Amundson but the FO wasn't interested...
 5 years ago '07        #9650
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Kurt had the biggest game for any Knick of the season... and that's the double truth, ruth

arguably the biggest game of 2013 for us, thank God we didn't go 0-5
 5 years ago '10        #9651
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Kurt really put the shackles on Jefferson


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 5 years ago '04        #9652
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MARC BERMAN

The old, decrepit Knicks have become a caricature of themselves.

The glow of their lone West Coast victory and likely return of Carmelo Anthony tonight was dimmed by yesterday’s grim MRI exam results for centers Tyson Chandler and Kurt Thomas.

The league’s oldest team could not savor even a few hours of good feeling without more evidence the franchise is as stable as a house of cards with the postseason a month away. The team’s medical director, Dr. Lisa Callahan, has become more vital to the club’s playoff hopes than coach Mike Woodson.

Thomas, just one day after being awarded the game ball for his gritty efforts in Monday’s victory in Utah, had his MRI reveal what the club termed an acute stress reaction surrounding a chronic stress fracture in his right foot. He will be out two to four weeks, perhaps returning in time for the playoffs, perhaps not at all. So much for having just a bone spur — the diagnosis before the game.

Thomas, the league’s oldest player at 40, had been starting for Chandler at center. The Knicks’ big-man situation is in tatters, with Kenyon Martin to start in the pivot tonight at the Garden against the Magic. Marcus Camby is the only other healthy big man on the roster.

The Knicks soon may make a hard decision on cutting either Thomas or Rasheed Wallace, who had foot surgery and seems a long shot to make it back. That would open up a roster spot for a big man, probably one out of the D-League.

The Knicks will stand pat for now and see how the healing goes with Thomas and Wallace, who is to have stitches taken out of his foot this week. The Knicks still believe Amar’e Stoudemire, who had knee surgery nine days ago, can make it back for the playoffs.

Thomas had been playing for several years with a stress fracture and now it has been re-aggravated. Dr. Anish Kadakia, a leading orthopedic foot surgeon at Northwestern Hospital, told The Post because this is not a new stress fracture, it can get better within a month.

“If this is an acute issue and it’s just inflammation around the old stress fracture, it’s not an unreasonable thing to calm down in two to four weeks,” Dr. Kadakia said. “On the other side of the coin, if the old stress fracture has really gotten worse and become unstable, it may not get better, to the point he’ll need surgery. Since he’s had it for years, chances are more likely than not he can play in the short term.’’

There also is some concern for Jason Kidd, who banged his wrist in the third quarter in Utah and needed X-rays after the game that were negative. He walked out of the arena with ice wrapped around his hand and Dr. Callahan by his side.

In the giddy aftermath of the Utah win, in which Thomas played sensational, hard-nosed post defense for 26 minutes, Woodson said, “All the old guys have done their part. We have to get Melo and Tyson back in gear and get them going again and keep this thing going. We have a lot of basketball left.’’

Chandler has been bugged by a sore neck since January, but this was the first time the Knicks felt an MRI was warranted. When Chandler tumbled in Denver last week, he bruised his knee and reaggravated his neck.

According to Dr. Michael Mizhiritsky, a leading spine specialist affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital, Chandler’s diagnosis may not be serious if he only is experiencing neck stiffness and not a tingling sensation or weakness in his arm. If Chandler is experiencing those extra symptoms, the bulging disk could be a more serious issue down the road. Dr. Mizhiritsky said a bulging disk can always worsen, but treatment including rest and anti-inflammatory medication should do the trick.

At least there are promising developments regarding Anthony. He was upbeat after having his knee drained last Thursday, when, as first reported by The Post, no sign of long-term cartilage damage was discovered. Anthony said Monday he hoped to make his return tonight.

Anthony has missed six of the past eight games, including the last three of the West Coast trip, and figures to be rusty. Anthony said Monday he still needed to develop more strength in the right knee, but felt the joint was “night and day’’ without the fluid. Anthony has been injury-prone in his two-plus seasons with the Knicks, and Woodson is crossing his fingers the knee issue does not resurface.

“Our confidence is still there,’’ Anthony said. “We’re third in the Eastern Conference. We’re trying to get everyone back healthy. Tyson, myself, trying to get everyone healthy to make this run.”
 5 years ago '05        #9653
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I still believe
 5 years ago '04        #9654
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Starting 5 for tonight

Kenyon, Melo, Shumpert, Pablo, Felton
 5 years ago '05        #9655
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woodson never stops trolling, does he
 5 years ago '04        #9656
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tonights lineup

Felly Fel
P-Body n*ggas
Shump
Melo
ATTENTION K-MART SHOPPERS!


with a win tonight, NYK is playoff bound
 5 years ago '08        #9657
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Kmart been a bless in the sky still suprised that we or no other team signed him earlier
 5 years ago '04        #9658
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Berman

No coach has faced more injuries to his club than Mike Woodson — not surprising since some Knicks have gray beards longer than Moses’.

And now Woodson has to make one last big decision before entering the promised land of the playoffs.

With center Tyson Chandler potentially returning tomorrow in Boston, is Woodson actually going to bench the shockingly dominant Kenyon Martin?

On Friday, Woodson said the primary goal now is to set a starting lineup and tight rotation for the playoffs in these final weeks, with 14 games left. That process begins with Chandler’s return as starting center. Chandler is close to returning from his bulging disk in his spine. The Boston game hits the one-week time frame the Knicks provided.
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KENYON MARTIN

Woodson said his intentions are to send Martin back to the bench — a shortsighted move considering Martin’s energy, grit, rebounds and garbage buckets in the paint are heavily responsible for the Knicks’ four-game winning streak. The Kenyon-Carmelo Anthony Show has looked dandy.

“Guys seem like they are starting to find their groove right now,’’ Anthony said. “Individually and as a team, it seems we’re starting to get our confidence. Slowly but surely, we’re starting to get guys back in the lineup. We’re winning games, we’re playing extremely well, we’re playing very confidently and we’re having fun out there. It seems like we’re starting to get healthy at the right time.... This is the perfect time.”

It is the perfect time to keep Martin where he is — setting the game’s tone. The Knicks are playing their best defense since December with Martin in the starting lineupas in Portland when Chandler went down with knee and neck issues.

Woodson has a chance now to go traditional tomorrow for the first time this roller-coaster season, give the team the frontcourt size and grit needed to topple Miami. As Indiana president Donnie Walsh said after the All-Star break, only size beats Miami, not small ball.

Woodson can shift Martin to power forward, slide Anthony back to his normal spot at small forward and boast a sensible backcourt of point guard Raymond Felton and shooting guard Iman Shumpert.

It makes for a sensational defensive unit — Woodson’s foundation. And it gives Shumpert more freedom to get involved in the offense because he seems ready now. Shumpert has made several hints he has been uncomfortable playing small forward. Against Miami in their potential playoff showdown, Woodson will need Shumpert to defend Dwyane Wade.

In Woodson’s latest version of the 2012-13 Knicks, he appears bent on keeping Argentine point guard Pablo Prigioni in the lineup over Martin. Prigioni has done admirably pressuring the ball alongside Felton as part of Woodson’s three-guard alignment, but it doesn’t make sense versus Miami.

Woodson said late Saturday night after the Knicks routed Toronto again that having Chandler and Martin as a tandem would be redundant. Redundant?

Ask the Nets how redundant it was having Martin as starting power forward during two trips to the Finals. Yes, Martin, with fresher legs than his opponents after sitting October, November, December, January and most of February, is playing like that Net demon now, playing as hungry as anyone other than LeBron James.

If the Knicks are going to shock the world and upend Miami, they will need this Kenyon renaissance to rage on.

“Tyson does the same thing [as Kenyon],’’ Woodson said. “They’re pretty similar as pick-and-roll guys. Both are defensive-minded guys. Both can block shots. Both finish around the rim. Bringing Kenyon off [the bench], it becomes a double threat and we don’t lose a lot.’’

Perhaps the issue is Woodson’s reluctance moving Anthony from the 4 because he has been effective, but Melo can play the 4 when Martin is out. One unspoken reason why Woodson kept Anthony as starting power forward was it ensured Amar’e Stoudemire stayed on the bench. Hence, the two of them would not be on the court together as much.

Stoudemire, after a second knee debridement surgery, is out of the picture now. Woodson said he is not counting on Stoudemire, Rasheed Wallace or Kurt Thomas despite their official timetables. Even if one of them makes it back for the playoffs, they won’t be in any condition or top form to engage in a playoff war.

So now the Knicks must ride the 35-year-old Martin.

“My knees have not been an issue for a few years,’’ Martin said. “Not playing basketball for a while, I don’t have the wear and tear. I was getting my legs ready and I want to stay that way. I want people to know I can still play. I just don’t want this to be it.’’

The Knicks will need magic to beat Miami later this spring. They will need Martin magic.
 5 years ago '04        #9659
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Alan Hahn

Upon further review, Woodson admits Melo-Kenyon-Tyson frontcourt may be beneficial in certain matchups.

"It just depends," Woodson said. "If you get into a [playoff] series with Indiana or Chicago, you have to have to play Melo at some three and maybe start him at the three, based on the fact that they're big."

The Bulls are a potential first-round opponent and they play a very big frontline -- Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer and Luol Deng -- that has given the Knicks fits this season. Including Martin with Chandler and moving Melo to the wing -- Deng would guard him regardless -- would be a better matchup.

Chandler, for one, likes the idea of having Martin as his wingman in the paint.

"I can't wait to get out there and play along side of him," he said.

But along with the fact that the Knicks have had success with Melo at the power forward spot, Woodson also likes the security of bringing Martin off the bench so when Chandler leaves the game for rest (or foul trouble), there is still a strong defensive presence in the paint with Martin as his replacement.

Marcus Camby was signed to be that insurance for Chandler, but he has been dealing with a plantar fascia issue in his left foot throughout the season. His minutes have been limited -- especially in back-to-back situations -- mainly because of this condition. Camby can provide spot minutes, but has yet to prove he can be reliable enough as a true backup center. And with a depleted frontline, this is not the time to test Camby's limits.

When the playoffs arrive, however, Woodson may have more options available to him to spread out the minutes. It all depends on the recovery of three injured bigs, Kurt Thomas (foot), Rasheed Wallace (foot) and Amar'e Stoudemire (knee). Each could become available during the first two rounds.

The Knicks have never had all 15 players fully healthy and available to play in a game this entire season. No better time than April and May to finally make that happen.
 5 years ago '04        #9660
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Tommy Dee speaking TRUFF

"let me get this straight, if the #knicks are poised to make a run at CP3 & can under the CBA and he hasn't committed how is there 0 chance?"
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