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 5 years ago '04        #9083
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Thank You Based Hahn

Amar'e Stoudemire finds it amazing that he is now the most tenured current Knick on the roster. What might be even more amazing is that Carmelo Anthony is right behind him with the second-longest consecutive service as a Knickerbocker.

And as the dust now settles after the latest roster overhaul, the team that will start the 2012-13 season is now in place. The last four years have seen perpetual change and this year the team returns just six players, with Amar'e and Melo as the centerpieces, but there are several other familiar faces, too, as Raymond Felton, Marcus Camby and Kurt Thomas are back for a second stint in New York.

The signing of Ronnie Brewer, which was announced last week, all but completed a roster that is now at 14 players, with 13 on guaranteed contracts. The 14th, forward Chris Copeland, is on a one-year non-guaranteed deal. The 15th (and final) spot may go to one more veteran to improve the depth of the frontcourt, with names such as Lou Amundson, Kenyon Martin, Chris Andersen, Yi Jianlian and Shawne Williams (among many others) still looking for a home. The team may go in another direction, however, and use that 15th spot for D-League call-ups, with the likes of Wesley Witherspoon, D.J. Kennedy and Artie Parakhouski catching the eyes of scouts during the NBA Summer League. Those players could wind up with the Knicks' D-League affiliate in Erie and come up when or if needed.

Having an open roster spot allows for some flexibility. For those wondering, the NBA allows a maximum of 15 players on the roster and the active roster per game has been raised to 13. D-League players can only be called-up when there is a roster spot available.

As things stand right now, the potential starting lineup would be Felton and Brewer in the backcourt, with Melo, Amar'e and Tyson Chandler in the frontcourt. The first four off the bench in a nine-man rotation would likely be Jason Kidd, J.R. Smith, Steve Novak and Camby. This is also not including injured Iman Shumpert, who is not likely to return from injury until January, while Argentine point guard Pablo Prigioni also figures to get backcourt burn.

What Mike Woodson has to work with here is a versatile group of 10 (including Shumpert) that is unquestionably tougher than last year's group. The additions of Felton and Brewer alone prove that, along with the experience that Kidd and Camby bring. This is a team built in a defensive-minded mold and it will be interesting to see how quickly that kind of personality can be developed and how quickly that kind of reputation can be earned. Remember, for most of the last four years, the Knicks have been regularly labeled -- and unfairly last season -- as a bad defensive team.

"A lot of people want to play defense," Brewer said in an interview with WFAN last week, "but some people just don't have the ability to do it."

Brewer, for one, gives Woodson options late in games when the team needs to get stops to protect a lead. For instance, if Stoudemire is struggling, Brewer can slide down play the wing and Woodson can move Anthony to the power forward spot, where we've seen him thrive before (especially in the international game) and where he is actually a better defender and rebounder. Brewer's presence also allows Woodson to keep Carmelo from having to exclusively guard the likes of LeBron James and Paul Pierce. If you've paid close attention, those players rarely spend the entire game checking Melo, but because of the lack of man power, Melo has almost always had to check them.

James White, who signed a one-year deal and played in three summer league games just to get himself acclimated with Woodson's system, also hopes to figure into the wing rotation. White will be an interesting player to watch in training camp as part of the second unit while Shumpert is out. There is some thought that Smith could be the starter at the shooting guard spot over Brewer, but Smith's offense may be better suited off the bench, especially with the chemisty he and Steve Novak developed as key reserves last season. Smith also made it clear he would be happy to play wherever Kidd is playing, which is an indication he would remain open to staying in a reserve role.

In the backcourt, Kidd can still play some point but also has transformed his game later in his career to slide over to the off-guard position as a three-point threat and playmaker, which would make room for Prigioni, who is a self-described pass-first point guard.

"That's how I think as a point guard," Prigioni told the New York Post. "I don't want to score 30 points. I want to play for my teammates."

More on Prigioni later, but this depth and experience in the backcourt also allows Shumpert to take the necessary time to make a full comeback from his knee injury and avoid the pressure of rushing his return because of a hole in the lineup. Backcourt depth (mainly because of health) was a major Achilles Heel for the Knicks last season.

Shumpert, 22, for now, remains the youngest player on the roster but at least Woodson can't call him 'Rook' anymore. It will be interesting to see if Woody takes to using the term of endearment for Prigioni, who, at 35, will be the NBA's oldest rookie. But he won't be one of the Knicks' oldest players. In fact, there will be three players -- Kidd, Camby and Kurt Thomas -- older than Prigioni.

Overall the Knicks will be one of the NBA's oldest teams. The 14-man roster will open training camp with an average age of 30.4 years of age. The projected starting five, however, has an average age of 28.2 and the projected 10-man rotation, including Shumpert, will be 29.5 years.

NOT ABOUT THE MONEY

If the Heat and Celtics have proved anything over the last few seasons, its that attracting key players at a discount are extremely important to the success of superteams. Brewer is one player who turned down more lucrative offers to take a one-year flier to play for the Knicks at the veterans minimum. Brewer, 27, is a well-respected defensive player who brings similar intangibles that the departed Landry Fields brought (and is similarly a mediocre perimeter shooter) and there's no question there will be a logjam for minutes once Shumpert returns. But this was a good gamble for Brewer, who became a free agent when the Bulls declined to pick up a $4.37 million team option on his contract, could get himself a good payday next summer if he has a strong season in New York.

"It didn't come down to money," Brewer said in the WFAN interview. "It's where you want to go and where you feel comfortable."

Prigioni will be one of the lowest paid players on the team at the rookie minimum of $473,000. Prigioni, who has been a highly-paid star in Europe for most of his career, came to the Knicks after a few years of flirting with the idea of testing his skills at the NBA level.

"It's more important to me the people of New York showed me they wanted me to go and play and really feel I can help the team," Prigioni said in a New York Post story.

Prigioni said the Knicks have been recruiting him for the last four years and the opportunity came this year when he became a free agent. Manu Ginobili, who has been Prigioni's backcourt mate for years with the Argentine national team, said he encouraged the move.

"I've talked to him a lot about not letting opportunities get away," Ginobili told reporters in London. "Then you're 45, retired and may think, 'What if?'"

SEASON'S GREETINGS

The NBA didn't listen to our suggestion that the 2012-13 season should open with the Knicks and Nets, but the league did decide to begin the New York basketball season that way. After the league opens on Oct. 30 with the traditional championship ring ceremony -- and Ray Allen in a Heat uniform, wow -- with Celtics-Heat, the Knicks begin two nights later in the Nets' new arena in Brooklyn. It should be a wild and fun night and possibly the start of a long-awaited true rivalry between the neighboring franchises.

It does seem the NBA wants to get the sparks flying early, as the Knicks and Nets will meet three times within the first six weeks of the season. They will also be a featured matchup on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Though it will be the usual 41 home games and 41 road games and certainly a welcome return to normalcy after last season's lockout-shortened 66-game madness, this is going to be a challenging schedule for a team looking to end a 40-year championship drought. The season opens in Brooklyn and the very next night the Madison Square Garden opener will have LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and the defending champion Heat on the marquee. Nothing like hitting the ground running.

In fact, the first 10 games of the season are a grind, with a home-and-home, back-to-back against the Philadelphia 76ers and road games at San Antonio and Memphis in the stretch. November brings nine of 15 games on the road.

As usual, the Knicks will be a regular feature on every holiday throughout the winter, but for the first time in years they will not host a Christmas Day game. Instead, the Knicks will be in Los Angeles to play the Lakers as the showcase game on ABC. They will host the Trail Blazers on New Year's Day (in the evening) and after hosting the Nets for MLK Day, the Knicks will be back in Los Angeles to play the Clippers on St. Patrick's Day and then host the Celtics on Easter Sunday.

The Knicks are also expected to be featured in an NBA Europe game on Jan. 17, when Melo, Tyson and Prigioni will return to London to play a regular season game against the Detroit Pistons. The league has yet to officially announce this, but several reports have indicated this to be the plan.

The Knicks will also be among the most nationally-televised teams and all of us as MSG Network will be there every step of the way, as well. After the opener in Brooklyn is on TNT, we open the season with the Heat game on Nov. 2. Yes, that is also the return of Friday Night Knicks, the Emmy Award-winning production that features Robert Randolph and the Family Band's theme music. The Knicks have 15 Friday Night Knicks dates this season and for those concerned about the team's recent struggles on Friday night and connecting them to the award-winning theme, Randolph tweeted to the fellas at the great fan blog, Posting & Toasting, "OK, I'll write a new song!"

Gonna go out on a limb here and say those losses had nothing to do with the song. But if RR wants to build on his Emmy success, we're all for it.

Jeremy Lin was one player who was immune to the Friday Night struggles, as his signature game -- 38 points against the Lakers -- came on a Friday Night Knicks broadcast. And Lin will be back on Friday Night Knicks on Nov. 23, when he and the Rockets host the Knicks in Houston. Lin then makes his one and only appearance at the Garden on Dec. 17 (a Monday, for the record), when he comes in with the Rockets.

OLYMPIC UPDATE

The London Games opened over the weekend and USA Basketball began pool play on Sunday with a 98-71 win over France. Melo had nine points and nine rebounds in 17 minutes and struggled with his shooting at 3 for 10 from the field. His field goal attempts were the second-highest on the team behind Kevin Durant, who led the U.S. with 22 points on 6 of 13 shooting. Chandler had eight points, nine rebounds, three a.ssists and a blocked shot in a very effective and efficient 11 minutes against former Knick Ronny Turiaf. Melo and Tyson joined Durant as the leading rebounders for the U.S.

Chandler, the only true center on the team, has struggled with foul trouble, but this time it was Melo who had three early fouls. The NBA stars are still adjusting to international officiating.

"There were some calls where we looked up and were like, 'What are we doing wrong?'," Anthony told reporters in London.

France took advantage of early fouls by the U.S. to keep it close through the first quarter, but by the second half the game turned into a rout.

"They got us to foul them a lot," Anthony said. "In the second half, once we figure it out, really settled down on the defensive end, our defense really took off."

Good to hear Melo not only talk about defense as a primary focus, but manage to play so effectively in a team concept despite a poor shooting night. How this carries over into the season will be something to watch once October arrives.

For now, the next game for Melo, Tyson and the Americans is Tuesday against Tunisia.
 5 years ago '04        #9084
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dark horse for the final spot is Josh Howard, who Melo has cosigned

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 5 years ago '04        #9085
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Josh Howard expected to make his decision on where he's play this week.....some Haze from the Heights can possibly lean him towards NY
 5 years ago '04        #9086
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JR's broski, Chris has been invited to training camp
 08-01-2012, 01:51 PM         #9087
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JR's broski, Chris has been invited to training camp
fu*k it, who knows this might actually workout for us.
 5 years ago '04        #9088
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 stackmatics said:
fu*k it, who knows this might actually workout for us.
and if it doesn't, does nothing to hurt us financially since it's non-guaranteed just like Copeland...they either play good enough to make the team or bye bye and we sign at least another vet...both these rooks can benefit since they both guys on the vets on the roster who can possibly mentor them since they are similar in some capacity. Copeland is an undersized forward and can learn from Kurt on how to maximize his potential in that regard, Smith is more of a two guard playing the 1 (sometimes), J. Kidd can teach him how to improve his guard play on both the 1 or 2. been saying for a minute, i hope Chris made the team for one reason, maybe it'll help JR mature a bit more to be a better example for the lil broski...can only hope in that regard
 5 years ago '08        #9089
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Any update on josh howard? if he signs melo may finally have a dependable backup
 5 years ago '04        #9090
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 dj ac said:
Any update on josh howard? if he signs melo may finally have a dependable backup
nothing yet....said he would make his decision this week but i'm shocked he hasn't yet...Golden State was on his list but with the two acquisitions, safe to take them off the list.

if Howard comes, Copeland's invite should be gone unless they wanna make Smith and Copeland battle for the OFFICIAL 15 spot on the roster...assuming those are the only two guys that get an invite. IMO, Artsiom Parakhousk should get an invite too, he impressed me a bit more than Copeland did in summer league
 5 years ago '04        #9091
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the good thing about having 2 non-guaranteed contracts is the ability to shipping them both down to the d-league and use spots on players that help us now
 5 years ago '04        #9092
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 5 years ago '04        #9093
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my dude Birdman might be a possibility, def. interested in playing here & for the vet min (like he has a choice on the matter with that one)
 5 years ago '07        #9094
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word is Donte Green wants to sign to us or 2 other teams... I'd rather take Lou Amundsen or Donte Green over Birdman... too old, too injury prone
 5 years ago '08        #9095
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We still need another big imo
 5 years ago '04        #9096
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i'm good either way....i said Birdman mainly because that front court is loaded so playing time might be an issue so less time, less chances of being injured and he's only 34, younger than two guys who will be playing more frontcourt anyway in Thomas & Camby

if either of those other guys (Knicks DO have interest, i can confirm that) i aint gonna be mad either way, depth is depth....and Tyson Chandler is gonna work out with THE DREAM after the Olympics according to Based Hahn
 5 years ago '04        #9097
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at the end of the day, the roster will be filled to 15....either with NBA free agent talent or by local talent since Grunweld is checking out local games for more camp invites
 5 years ago '04        #9098
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Amare Stoudemire entered the offseason wanting to work on his down-low game, and coach Mike Woodson agreed, explaining to his power forward that he wanted to use him more on the block next season.

From there, Woodson placed a phone call to one of the greatest centers in NBA history, Hakeem Olajuwon, with whom he played on the Rockets from 1988 to 1991. After discussing Stoudemire's goal, Olajuwon, who manages a big-man offseason camp at his home in Houston, booked STAT in his training schedule, which includes only a few players each summer.

"Coach really is the one who made it happen," said Travis King, Stoudemire's longtime training adviser. "Mike Woodson himself said he wants the ball to go through Amare in the post more, taking advantage of Amare and Tyson (Chandler), and even Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks' frontcourt has got to be one of the most experienced and best ones in the league. The games are decided inside most of the time. Amare has been one of the best bigs in the league for the past 10 years, really without any of the stuff that Hakeem has taught him."

For the past five days, STAT has been in Houston, staying at a hotel and working out for about three and a half hours per day at Olajuwon's indoor full-sized basketball court, which is located on his 500-acre ranch. It's the same place where Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard and LeBron James have trained individually from 2009 to 2011, respectively. It's been reported that Olajuwon charges $50,000 per week, but King wouldn't reveal the amount for privacy reasons.

Along with Nuggets center JaVale McGee, Stoudemire has been learning "Dream Shake" moves and defensive skills.

"Amare is a real student of the game, and when he wants to get better he does whatever it takes, whether it's been working on his free throws or his jumpshot," King said. "Now, it's working on playing on the block and working on his defensive presence. Hakeem is one of the best shot-blockers to ever play the game and one of the best-scoring centers to ever play the game. He's been trying to take it all in to become a complete player."

King said that Stoudemire working with Olajuwon represents his desire to be constantly pushed in new ways.

"He's always been a fan of Hakeem; he just never had a chance to play against him," King said. "Amare always wants the best challenge for him because some of the stuff that Hakeem does, like his footwork, is unconventional. Guys don't teach that stuff, but he can teach it because that's how he dominated the league for 18 years. It's not something where you can pick up a book or pick up a video, and then perfect it.

Another big reason Stoudemire wanted to work with the Hall of Famer was to adapt to his growth as a player.

"A lot of people think that Amare is past his prime, but we really don't feel like he is," King said. "Amare is a six-time All-Star, but he's always been in pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop situations. But now he's really focused on his back-to-the-basket game. As you get older and your athleticism declines, it's good to add other things to your game to keep playing at an elite level. Look at Kobe, for example."

King said Stoudemire is also picking Olajuwon's business brain. That's because STAT is determined to follow in the footsteps of not only Olajuwon, but also Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Shaquille O'Neal, who have all earned big bucks off the court. "The Dream" earned his -- hundreds of millions, that is -- in the Houston real estate market.

Overall during the offseason, Amare Stoudemire is not a creature of habit. With the help of King, Stoudemire arranges different training routines, and every month -- sometimes every week -- he's in another basketball facility.

"He just works out so hard, so we don't do the same thing," King said. "We switch things up for him to give him a different environment."

Already this summer, Stoudemire has trained in New York, Las Vegas, Bradenton, Fla., Paris, Spain and now he's in Houston, where Chandler may join him after the Olympics. Woodson has encouraged it. King said that he and Stoudemire were originally discussing going to the University of Kentucky during this time to train with John Calipari and Kenny Payne before the "Dream" opportunity came about.

After he finishes up with Olajuwon on Aug. 19, Stoudemire is flying to China where he's taking part in a Nike tour. But he'll be still be working out. In fact, King said this week marks the third month in a row Stoudemire has not missed a single day of training. Stoudemire travels everywhere with three trainers -- his main one, a strength and conditioning specialist and physical therapist -- and makes sure to get in two-a-day workouts. King said Stoudemire's back is "doing great and has no issues."

"I think New York's going to be really pleased when he comes to training camp," he said. "He's always been in great shape, he's always taken care of his body, but he's really been on a strict diet and doing two-a-days. He's not taken any days off. He's really committed to being the best power forward in the game."

Stoudemire will be traveling back to New York in early September, where he'll start participating in pickup games and getting acclimated to his new teammates, before real training camp begins later in the month.
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Best quote from USA-ARG was #Knicks signee Pablo Prigioni, who watched Melo get hot: "I hope he shoots like this during the whole season."
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