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 5 years ago '04        #8701
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 Jae_Hood_354 said:
did the knicks win that case for lin and novak?
nothing announced yet...might be announced as early as July 1st but it looks like Adolf Stern....i mean David Hitler......i mean the NBA Commissioner might get his way and we LOST
 5 years ago '04        #8702
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Jared Zwerling

All-Star point guard Steve Nash, an unrestricted free agent, said Wednesday he would weigh an offer from New York Knicks, should they choose to make one.

"The Knicks are a great franchise and I live in New York City (each summer), so I'd definitely consider them if they were interested," the Phoenix Suns mainstay said at a promotional appearance in Manhattan.

The Knicks, however, will be hampered in free agency. Because they will likely lose out in Early Bird Rights arbitration, which hasn't been decided yet, they'll only have veteran's minimum contracts to offer free agents. And that's if Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak don't re-sign, which is highly doubtful.

Also at Wednesday's event was Knicks legend and MSG Network analyst Walt Frazier, who told Nash, "We need you to come to New York!"

Nash said he was "flattered" to hear that from Frazier, who believes the Knicks need to land a veteran point guard. Nash is the front-runner in that class of free agents -- which also includes Andre Miller, Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton -- which means he'll likely fetch a mid-level-like, multiyear deal.

Nash, who's 38, said he doesn't feel old and wants to play two to three more years. He won't make a decision about his destination until after free agency begins July 1.

"I want to wait and see what's actually on the table," he said. "I'm open and excited. I'm looking at every possibility right now."

Some insiders believe Nash will first consider the Mavericks, his former team, and the Nets, if Deron Williams doesn't re-sign. The Heat are also a possibility.

If Nash came to New York, he would be reunited with Amare Stoudemire. They dominated in the pick-and-roll to lead the Suns to four postseason appearances, including trips to the Western Conference finals in 2005 and 2010.
 5 years ago '04        #8703
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Thursday's Workout

• Quincy Acy, F, 6-7, 235, Baylor, Senior
• Kim English, G, 6-6, 200, Missouri, Senior
• Chris Johnson, F, 6-6, 201, Dayton, Senior
• Greg Mangano, F, 6-10, 240, Yale, Senior
• Tony Mitchell, F, 6-6, 220, Alabama, Junior
• Hollis Thompson, F, 6-8, 212, Georgetown, Junior

out this bunch, English is the guy that stands out
 5 years ago '07        #8704
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 Born_Loser said:
Thursday's Workout

• Quincy Acy, F, 6-7, 235, Baylor, Senior
• Kim English, G, 6-6, 200, Missouri, Senior
• Chris Johnson, F, 6-6, 201, Dayton, Senior
• Greg Mangano, F, 6-10, 240, Yale, Senior
• Tony Mitchell, F, 6-6, 220, Alabama, Junior
• Hollis Thompson, F, 6-8, 212, Georgetown, Junior

out this bunch, English is the guy that stands out
Quincy Acy is my fav guy out the bunch. Of course we need shooters but damn Acy has a motor for boards, dunks, baby hooks/10 ft jumpers, defense... think Ken Farried or Jae Crowder without a 3pt game

But of course English is important too since we're projected to draft him, DJO, Crowder, or Machado... any of those guys need to sign to our summer league squad if not drafted
 5 years ago '04        #8705
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Knicks Won?

Stern loses the bird rights case....time to spend on some FA help now

(if i actually cared about useless things like hot topics, i would dominate this section again)
 5 years ago '04        #8706
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Based Hahn breaking down the good news

 5 years ago '07        #8707
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what's the days news Born? you're slippin
 5 years ago '04        #8708
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you want me to post random sh*t?

aight, here you go...Tommy Dee suggested today Fields for Neal if SA is down wants to make that happen....i can post this type of sh*t everyday

lmfao
 5 years ago '04        #8709
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Monday's Workout Group

•Oscar Bellfield, G, 6-2, 190, Nevada-Las Vegas, Senior

• Marcus Denmon, G, 6-3, 185, Missouri, Senior

• Harouna, Mutombo, G, 6-4, 200, Western Carolina, Senior

• Erving Walker, G, 5-8, 177, Florida State, Senior
 5 years ago '04        #8710
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almost done checking some players out but so far, top of the head pick, think Darius Johnson-Odom will be our pick (i think we'll trade for another pick....since we can't buy one this year)
 5 years ago '04        #8711
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BERMAN

Apparently, NBA commissioner David Stern wants to be a candidate for most hated man in New York.

According to a league official, Stern’s plan to appeal the union’s victory in the Jeremy Lin/Steve Novak Bird rights war may carry over into the July 1 start of free agency. That would delay the Knicks’ ability to negotiate for any free agent and create a public-relations nightmare for Stern, whose office is in midtown.

Tomorrow, both sides will start talks concerning setting up an appeal panel in Stern’s attempt to overturn arbitrator Kenneth Dam’s decision. One possible resolution is having the appeal process occur but still allowing Novak and Lin to have their Bird rights this summer.
DAVID THE GOLIATH: NBA commissioner David Stern plans to appeal the decision to award Bird rights to Knicks free agents Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak.
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DAVID THE GOLIATH: NBA commissioner David Stern plans to appeal the decision to award Bird rights to Knicks free agents Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak.

Without Bird rights for Novak, the Knicks have no means of re-signing the 3-point ace. Without Bird rights for Lin, the Knicks would have to use their $5 million mid-level exception, leaving little means to sign another free agent beyond the veteran’s minimum.

If the union victory stands up, the Knicks will have either a $5 million or $3 million exception to use on a free agent. Union attorney Ron Klempner said he expects the two players to have Bird rights July 1.
 5 years ago '04        #8712
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there you go Truth, point that shotgun at Hitler's direction now
 5 years ago '07        #8713
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Good deal Born... We need this decision to stand up. At least for this year.

Lin/Novak resign.
JR opts in.
Nash for MLE.
Odom for vet min.
Camby for vet min.
Jared Jeffries for vet min.
Cut Gadzuric.
Trade Jordan + TD + cash to Warriors for 30th pick (Wroten Jr / Nicholson / Jenkins).
Draft Crowder / DJO / Acy / Machado at pick #48.

Lineup reads...
Nash / Lin / Wroten Jr
Shump / JR / Crowder
Melo / Novak / Fields
Amare / Odom / JJ
Chandler / Camby / Jorts




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 5 years ago '04        #8714
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Nash was on Stephen A show and made it clear that money is gonna play a part in his decision, only way i see him coming to NY would be sign and trade...same can be said about Goran Dragic....more realistic possibilities as far as MLE goes are Raymond Felton & Andre Miller
 5 years ago '04        #8715
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Chris Sheridan

NEW YORK — Free agency opens in less than a week, unless the New York Knicks go to court to halt it.

Is that really possible?

Well, nothing can be ruled out with the Knicks sitting in a state of limbo after the NBA said it would appeal an arbitrator’s decision granting full Bird rights to Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak (along with J.J. Hickson of the Portland Trail Blazers and Chauncey Billups of the Los Angeles Clippers.)

If the ruling stands, the Knicks can match any offer to Lin (a restricted free agent) and Novak (an unrestricted free agent) and still retain their mid-level exception to go after whoever else they want to pursue (Steve Nash? Jason Kidd?). If the ruling is overturned on appeal, the Knicks are certain to lose Novak, and they would not be able to pursue a mid-level veteran point guard to play with Lin — who they insist they plan to retain.

So here’s the biggest part of the problem, time-wise.

Under NBA collective bargaining rules, when one side wants to appeal an arbitrator’s decision, the procedure is to have the league office and the union agree on the members of a three-person appeals panel, for that body to hold a hearing on the appeal, and then issue a ruling within 20 days.

But it could literally takes months for that process to unfold.

(RELATED CONTENT: Arbitrator gives huge victory to Knicks in Lin/Novak case)

So with the Lin/Novak case in limbo, the Knicks are in limbo, too — and at an unfair disadvantage in free agency because they are unsure what rules they will be operating under.

If midnight of June 30 approaches and there is still no clarity, one of the Knicks’ options would be to seek a temporary restraining order halting ALL teams from negotiating with free agents.

Will it come to that?

There is already talk that a settlement might be reached, but that talk is speculative. And remember, there is still a lot of bad blood between the attorneys for both sides after last year’s 149-day lockout, and these guys aren’t exactly known for working out their differences in a timely manner.

Something to keep an eye on over the rest of this week, because it could throw a giant monkey wrench into the entire free agent process.
 5 years ago '04        #8716
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Mike Mazzeo

Set to become an unrestricted free agent July 1, Steve Nash says he's keeping his options open.

"It sounds like a company line, but my situation really right now is I'm open to everything," the Phoenix Suns point guard told ESPN NewYork 98.7's Stephen A. Smith and Ryan Ruocco on Monday, "and I will definitely look at every situation that comes my way on Sunday, and I'm not going to close myself to any opportunities."

Nash is expected to have plenty of suitors, including the New York Knicks. The 16-year veteran has expressed interest in playing in New York and wouldn't be opposed to playing with Jeremy Lin or for coach Mike Woodson.

"I wouldn't have any fear of the fans maybe having a love affair with Jeremy," Nash said. "I think it's great. ... That doesn't really bother me."

Nash thrived in ex-Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni's high octane run-and-gun offense.

"Everyone knows I love Mike. We had some good years together," Nash said. "It would've been another factor, but what's in the past is in the past. When Sunday (July 1) comes around, I'm going to have to look at everything with fresh new eyes and see what's best for me."

The Knicks are still waiting to see how much salary cap space they have to add a player like Nash. An arbitrator ruled that Lin and Steve Novak should be granted Bird rights, enabling the Knicks to go over the cap to sign them. But the NBA has appealed.

The Knicks are just one of several teams likely to be interested in Nash. The Miami Heat, Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks are also possibilities, as are the Brooklyn Nets if they can't re-sign Deron Williams. And Nash didn't rule out staying in Phoenix.

Nash is 38, so his career is winding down. He wants to win a championship but also wants to be compensated as well.

Nash said he worries about the possibility of taking less money to play for a team he believes is a contender, only for one of its top players to be injured -- or worse, for him to be traded.

"I have to be really careful and make a sound decision," Nash said.

Nash, who averaged 12.5 points and 10.7 a.ssists for the Suns last season, still considers himself an elite point guard in the NBA and feels he can play three more seasons at a high level.

So would he rather join the Heat and win a title or be on the team that knocks them off?

"The truth is I'm a bit old school. For me, it would be hard to put on a Lakers jersey. That's just the way it is," Nash said. "You play against them so many times in the playoffs, and I just use them as an example, and I have the utmost respect for them and their organization.

"I kind of have that tendency (to try to beat the best teams), so it is strange, but as a free agent you're free to go where you want, so I'd have to consider everything regardless of the past or the future."
 5 years ago '04        #8717
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just got back and see JR opt out but will likely re-sign with a 20% raise...just wants a long term deal with NYK
 5 years ago '04        #8718
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and in NOT so big news, just for Truth so he can get that gun pointed at Hitler and not me....Tommy Dee says "I get the feeling that something big is going to happen and I hope I'm right about this... #knicks"

Tommy Dee is one of the few "experts" i put any stock in
 5 years ago '04        #8719
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Berman

J.R. Smith will not exercise the opt-in clause to his contract at tomorrow's deadline, making him a free agent July 1st. But the Knicks are confident he will re-sign with them for the 20-percent raise that is allowable, according to a source.

With the raise, Smith can make close to $2.8M next season on a one-year deal with the Knicks. Smith prefers a one-year deal because that would give him Bird rights next summer. It is unlikely a team will outbid the Knicks but Smith will get a chance to shop around. He has stated repeatedly he wants to stay with the Knicks because he considers the New York area his home.

Smith is suing his Chinese team for $1M to recoup the fines levied against him for allegedly missing 80 practices, among other violations.
 5 years ago '04        #8720
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THANK YOU BASED HAHN


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Could free agency be delayed by the NBA's appeal of the recent Bird Rights arbitration hearing?

It's possible. The NBA Players a.ssociation could request an injunction on behalf of the players involved, including Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak, to delay free agency until the appeal process is completed.

The NBA's appeal could take weeks, possibly months, according to several people with knowledge of the situation on both sides. A panel has to be a.ssembled, the sides have to present their cases and a decision has to be rendered after review. This isn't something that comes together quickly and with July 11 -- the first official signing day -- just over two weeks away, there is little chance for closure on this issue in time.

The union would not want to open free agency without a resolution and, privately, the Knicks would prefer to wait until they have a definitive answer so they can execute the proper offseason plan. In the midst of an appeal, the CBA says the Knicks need to follow the letter of the law until further notice. That means they would have to use their Mid-Level Exception to re-sign Lin, which could lead to them losing out on other impact free agents, such as Jason Kidd or Lamar Odom.

What if the appellate panel upholds the decision of arbitrator Kenneth Dam? The NBA would have a major controversy on its hands. Sure the Knicks may have their MLEs back in play, but what if all their top priority targets were already signed elsewhere?

So rather than halt the free agency season while arguing over a definition (the word "trade" as used in the collective bargaining agreement) and negatively impact a franchise's ability to conduct business, the best case scenario for everyone involved is for the NBA and NBPA to meet and negotiate a settlement in this case.

One reasonable resolution could be for the NBA to grant the arbitrator's decision be effective strictly for the 2012-13 season, if the NBPA accepts that henceforth, the accepted rule is that Bird Rights transfer only via trade and not via waivers.

It is such a rare case that we may never see this come up again anyway. Players claimed off waivers don't usually develop a value where Bird Rights are an issue. But this season the emergence of Lin and Novak have created such a scenario, so a one-time exclusion may become the only time it ever comes up again.

The NBA had the right to appeal the decision and followed standard operating procedure. There is a dangerous precedent that could be set by this result because it would open the door for other ambiguities in the CBA to be challenged by the union. The league could not afford to shrug off the decision; especially one that it felt was not an ambiguity.

The NBA feels confident about the appeals process, but as one league source told me, "We didn't think we'd lose in the first place." The league fought the Chris Dudley trade to the Knicks in 1997 and after it lost in arbitration -- coincidentally Kenneth Dam presided over that as well -- the NBA appealed and the decision was upheld.

This time around, with so much uncertainty and too many variables, it seems unlikely that this appeal will ever reach full execution. The sides simply need to get together and, as they did so often six months ago, negotiate a settlement.

J.R. OPTS OUT, BUT WILL STAY IN

J.R. Smith will not pick up the second year of his deal, the New York Times reported on Monday, and will become a free agent on July 1. Smith signed for the pro rated (and shortened season-adjusted) mini-Mid Level Exception in March. He was scheduled to earn $2,443,952 next season.

Don't be surprised by this decision, but don't take that to mean he won't be a Knick next season. Smith could still remain a Knick by re-signing for 120 percent of his previous salary, which would give him a bump to $2,806,452. That is $362,500 more in his pocket than if he picked up his second year option. Right now, that $2.8 million number will serve as his cap hold until he re-signs (or signs with another team).

J.R. has enjoyed being close to his family in New Jersey and regularly said he'd like to stay with the Knicks. What he had to do is make a business decision and it appeared to be a simple one to make.

FIXINS

• Linsanity has gone from a hashtag that trended world wide to an officially registered trademark in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. As reported by the New York Times, Jeremy Lin in February filed to register "Linsanity." He is now the owner of his own brand and you can expect it to re-emerge with ubiquity by next season as his newly-hired marketing agent, Jim Tanner, will be in charge of growing Linsanity to Air Jordan levels around the globe. You know what would be great? If Lin grew to a similar level on the court.

• Speaking of trademarks, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James couldn't enjoy their championship without at least one shot at the expense of the Knicks. During a postgame interview on NBA TV, with Matt Winnick, Shaquille O'Neal and Charles Barkley, the topic came up about how Miami had moments during the playoffs when there was great doubt they could advance.

Barkley pointed out how people thought the Heat might lose to the Indiana Pacers and Boston Celtics after Miami trailed in both series. Then Wade giggled said: "Don't forget New York. They said we can lose to New York, too."

To which LeBron added, "They said that would be a tough series." More laughing ensued.

"Nobody who knew anything about basketball said that," Barkley then said, which had the panel hysterical.

Let me remind you here, LeBron was the one in July 2010, before Carmelo Anthony's wedding, who brashly told his buddies Melo and Chris Paul that if they wanted any chance to win a title against the new-formed Heatles, they should team up with Amar'e in New York. Hours later, Paul made a famous toast. Weeks later, Melo told the Nuggets he wanted to be traded to the Knicks.

I'm telling you now, we've only just begun.
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