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 6 years ago '04        #8661
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The Players a.ssociation filed for an arbitration hearing yesterday to f!ght a loophole in the new collective bargaining agreement that could give the Knicks a lot more flexibility to re-sign Jeremy Lin while preserving their $5 million mid-level exception.

That mid-level exception could be used to net a very capable point-guard counterpart — even Steve Nash — and change the landscape of the Knicks’ summer.

In what could become known as “The Linsanity Rule,’’ the union will legally challenge a bylaw in which a player claimed off waivers loses his Bird rights. Lin was claimed off waivers by the Knicks in late December from the Rockets after previously being waived by the Warriors, who owned Lin’s Bird rights. Steve Novak also was claimed off waivers.

Under the status quo, the Knicks plan to use their $5 million mid-level exception to re-sign Lin, giving them very little salary-cap room to add another solid point guard.

If the Knicks retain their $5M mid-level exception while re-signing Lin as a Bird-rights player, they would be in the market for Nash, Andre Miller, Jason Kidd, Jameer Nelson and Goran Dragic. Nash seems a reach for $5 million after leading the NBA in a.ssists and with the Suns ready to bowl him over with a more lucrative offer.

The union will argue a player who is traded still keeps his Bird rights, so one claimed off waivers should as well.

“It’s more than ambigious,’’ union lead attorney Ron Klempner told The Post. “We believe a player claimed is no different than a player traded.’’

Novak is in a similar boat. The Knicks probably would be outbid if they offered Novak their lower exception of $2 million. The union claims there never has been a case in which a player was claimed and found himself in a situation of seeking more than the minimum in free agency. The union is f!ghting the battle mostly because of the Knicks’ unprecedented situation, although there are other players in a similar situation.

Interim coach Mike Woodson said Lin would return, but does not want to commit to him as the starter with eyes on adding a veteran. If they only have their $2 million exception, Raymond Felton, Derek Fisher and Gary Neal may be their best options.

Lin, meanwhile, got his wish of being named to the U.S. Select Team that will scrimmage against the U.S. Olympic Team in July in Las Vegas.
 6 years ago '04        #8662
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The ability to keep this deep Knicks roster intact is riding on a decision that will be made by an independent arbitrator in June. Though this is technically an NBA Players a.ssociation vs. NBA argument, the result will have a direct and dramatic impact on the Knicks more than any other team.

On Tuesday, Howard Beck wrote an extensive piece in the New York Times outlining how the players union is seeking arbitration to challenge a ruling on Bird Rights for players claimed on waivers.

This is a rare case, one that has people I spoke to on both sides of the argument, plus several NBA executives and agents, equally fascinated and curious. Generally, players claimed on waivers are of little significance to the teams that claim them mainly because they are usually fringe players who are either not re-signed or re-signed at an affordable price.

But leave it to Linsanity to create yet another unprecedented situation in the NBA.

It was during Jeremy Lin's remarkable emergence from 15th man to stardom in February when the debate began about Lin's contract status. He was in the second year of a two-year deal he signed with the Golden State Warriors, but had been twice waived and, subsequently, twice claimed.

Collective bargaining agreement experts, such as Larry ****, proclaimed that Lin would still be a restricted free agent, but one without "Early Bird Rights," which are given to a player who is two years into the same contract. Therefore, Lin could only be re-signed by the capped-out Knicks by using their Mid-Level Exception.

That would severely limit the team's ability to sign other players and improve a roster that has six players headed to free agency. If another team signed Lin to an offer sheet for the full MLE ($5 million per season for a maximum of four years), the Knicks would be faced with signing Lin and having only the Bi-Annual Exception ($1.9 million) and veteran's minimums left to fill out the roster, or losing the 23-year-old wunderkind for nothing.

"Bird Rights" were established to protect teams, especially those over the salary cap, from losing their own star players to teams that can offer more money. A three-year waiting period was created in 1995, which spawned the call for "Early Bird Rights" which were created to allow capped-out teams to re-sign their own free agents after just two years under contract. However, with Early Birds, the team is limited to offering the player a maximum of the league average.

According to the CBA, a player's "Bird Rights" go with him when he is traded from team-to-team. But there is nothing in the document that indicates whether rights also transfer when a player is claimed on waivers.

The NBPA contends that the rights should transfer, because the contract remains intact, therefore the player's "clock" does not re-set. If, for instance, Lin cleared waivers and became a free agent -- such as when Jared Jeffries was waived by the Rockets in March 2011 and signed with the Knicks -- then the Bird Rights clock resets to zero.

But since Lin was claimed off waivers and the Knicks inherited his contract from the Rockets, the union believes his Bird Rights went with the contract just like it does in a trade. Essentially, to claim a player off waivers is like acquiring his contract for nothing.

The NBA's argument is that the Bird Rights rules are specifically defined in the CBA and cannot be debated.

That, however, will be up to an independent arbiter to decide. The union has asked that the process be expedited so a decision can be announced before free agency begins on July 1. It behooves the NBA to want to accelerate the process as well, because it could cause unnecessary problems during the free agency period.

This does not only impact Lin, but another important Knicks free agent, Steve Novak, who was in the second year of his contract after the team claimed him off waivers from the San Antonio Spurs.

If the union wins this argument, two other NBA players, and their respective teams, may benefit, including J.J. Hickson (Portland Trail Blazers) and Chauncey Billups (Los Angeles Clippers). But no one wins bigger than Lin, Novak and the Knicks, who could re-sign both players to a maximum of the league average (about $5.7 million, though it is doubtful Novak would command that much) and still have the MLE and BAE to spend to attract a free agents to upgrade the roster.

Now, before all of you CBA experts get into a lather, there are still other restrictions (aprons, cap holds, etc.) that will make things challenging for GM Glen Grunwald and his staff, but there's no question that it makes things astronomically better for the Knicks if the arbitration results in favor of the players.

So while the season may be over, there is still one more win the Knicks need before the summer.
 6 years ago '04        #8663
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"Are the #Knicks ready to sign their prospect, Greek forward Georgios Printezis, who hit the game-winning floater to win the Euroleague for Olympiacos? It's complicated, specifically because he's on the Greek National Team competing in July in the qualifier and favorites to advance to London. He's also set to make big money from deep-pocketed Olympiacos. They see him as a bonafide backup PG'
 6 years ago '04        #8664
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AL IANNAZZONE

The Knicks officially are expected to remove the interim label from Mike Woodson's title this week, according to multiple sources. The two sides are working on a long-term deal, the sources said, and something could be done within the next couple of days.

The Knicks were 18-6 under Woodson in the regular season after going 18-24 under Mike D'Antoni, who resigned March 14. They made the playoffs for the second straight season, losing to the Heat, four games to one.

There was speculation throughout the season that the Knicks would pursue Phil Jackson or John Calipari as their next coach.

Woodson, who had discussions about a contract extension with Knicks management during the playoffs, received strong endorsements from general manager and former Indiana University teammate Glen Grunwald toward the end of the season. Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all backed Woodson's return.

Woodson, who was drafted by the Knicks with the 12th pick in 1980, won an NBA title as an a.ssistant coach on Larry Brown's staff with the 2004 Pistons. The next season, Woodson became head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

He spent six years with Atlanta and reached the playoffs the last three years there, and the second round twice. The Hawks went 53-29 in 2009-10, Woodson's last season in Atlanta. His career record is 224-292 and 12-22 in the playoffs.
 6 years ago '04        #8665
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 Born_Loser said:
AL IANNAZZONE

The Knicks officially are expected to remove the interim label from Mike Woodson's title this week, according to multiple sources. The two sides are working on a long-term deal, the sources said, and something could be done within the next couple of days.

The Knicks were 18-6 under Woodson in the regular season after going 18-24 under Mike D'Antoni, who resigned March 14. They made the playoffs for the second straight season, losing to the Heat, four games to one.

There was speculation throughout the season that the Knicks would pursue Phil Jackson or John Calipari as their next coach.

Woodson, who had discussions about a contract extension with Knicks management during the playoffs, received strong endorsements from general manager and former Indiana University teammate Glen Grunwald toward the end of the season. Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all backed Woodson's return.

Woodson, who was drafted by the Knicks with the 12th pick in 1980, won an NBA title as an a.ssistant coach on Larry Brown's staff with the 2004 Pistons. The next season, Woodson became head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

He spent six years with Atlanta and reached the playoffs the last three years there, and the second round twice. The Hawks went 53-29 in 2009-10, Woodson's last season in Atlanta. His career record is 224-292 and 12-22 in the playoffs.
i think he deserves it
 6 years ago '04        #8666
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"#Knicks will work out Syracuse's PG Scoop Jardine tomorrow in Westchester. The Long Island kid, Tu Holloway, also will be there."

"Other players tomorrow include Kris Middleton of Texas A & M, Temple C Michael Eric, Florida State's Bernard James (FSU)."

will start doing my homework later this week
 6 years ago '10        #8667
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 Born_Loser said:
AL IANNAZZONE

The Knicks officially are expected to remove the interim label from Mike Woodson's title this week, according to multiple sources. The two sides are working on a long-term deal, the sources said, and something could be done within the next couple of days.

The Knicks were 18-6 under Woodson in the regular season after going 18-24 under Mike D'Antoni, who resigned March 14. They made the playoffs for the second straight season, losing to the Heat, four games to one.

There was speculation throughout the season that the Knicks would pursue Phil Jackson or John Calipari as their next coach.

Woodson, who had discussions about a contract extension with Knicks management during the playoffs, received strong endorsements from general manager and former Indiana University teammate Glen Grunwald toward the end of the season. Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all backed Woodson's return.

Woodson, who was drafted by the Knicks with the 12th pick in 1980, won an NBA title as an a.ssistant coach on Larry Brown's staff with the 2004 Pistons. The next season, Woodson became head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

He spent six years with Atlanta and reached the playoffs the last three years there, and the second round twice. The Hawks went 53-29 in 2009-10, Woodson's last season in Atlanta. His career record is 224-292 and 12-22 in the playoffs.


Good......now they have to go and retool the roster.


 Born_Loser said:
Berman

"#Knicks will work out Syracuse's PG Scoop Jardine tomorrow in Westchester. The Long Island kid, Tu Holloway, also will be there."

"Other players tomorrow include Kris Middleton of Texas A & M, Temple C Michael Eric, Florida State's Bernard James (FSU)."

will start doing my homework later this week
I don't watch CBB but I remember hearing Scoop Jardines name occasionally.How is he?
 6 years ago '04        #8668
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out of that bunch, according to reports he's the best one
 6 years ago '04        #8669
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Shumpert makes NYK history with Fields

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"Landry Fields and Iman Shumpert are first back-to-back All-Rookie selections for #Knicks since Mark Jackson/Rod Strickland in '88 and '89.'
 6 years ago '04        #8670
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tomorrow's workout group

• Scott Machado, G, 6-1, 180, Iona, Senior

• Oscar Bellfield, G, 6-2, 190, Las Vegas-Nevada, Senior

• Darius Johnson-Odom, G, 6-2, 215, Marquette, Senior

• Bradford Burgess, G/F, 6-6, 225, Virginia Commonwealth, Senior

• Carmeron Moore, F, 6-10, 230, Alabama at Birmingham, Senior

• Miles Plumlee, F, 6-10, 245, Duke, Senior

Machado is the dude alot of the online Knick fans really want
 6 years ago '04        #8671
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disrespect continues


Tyson Chandler aka the defensive player of the year is in the NBA All-Defensive SECOND Team

Shumpert missed getting in the second team by 4 points
 6 years ago '04        #8672
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"For good luck, Scoop Jardine placed his belongings by Jeremy Lin's locker in Westchester before his workout. Scoop said delivering passes to fellow Syracuse standout Carmelo Anthony would be "the easiest job in the world.'' Says Melo texted him often this season as Syracuse soared atop rankings. Hoping #Knicks pick him at 48 and feels did real well in his matchup with Tu Holloway today."
 6 years ago '04        #8673
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Scott Machado, a 6-foot-1 point guard, sees himself as a good fit for the Knicks.

"For any point guard that wants to play here, I feel like it's a good opportunity," Machado said. "They got some players that are banged up, hurt or some players that are retiring or old.

"As far as the opportunity here, it's a wonderful spot, they have a lot of pieces. Somewhere they need to grow solid in is the point guard spot. That's my opinion. I feel like it's a good opportunity for any point guard."

Machado led the nation in a.ssists as a senior at Iona, a small Division I school located in New Rochelle, NY.

"It would be a wonderful feeling to be able to stay home," Machado said.
 6 years ago '04        #8674
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first dude i looked into was Darius Johnson-Odom....if we end up with a second 2nd round pick i would have no problem with him....biggest concern is that he's like another Douglas and Nate though, a short 2 guard
 6 years ago '10        #8675
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Scoop Jardine, Scott Machado, Darius Johnson-Odom.....

Looks like I got some HW to do on those players. I know on RealGM they're in love with Scoop but I really doubt he falls into our spot. Darius is a player I'm very intrigued by though.
 6 years ago '04        #8676
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Tuesday's workout group

Dee Bost, G, 6-2, 176, Mississippi State, Senior
• J’Covan Brown, G, 6-1, 197, Texas, Junior
• Yancy Gates, F, 6-9, 260, Cincinnati, Senior
• Troy Gillenwater, F, 6-8, 234, New Mexico State
• Robert Sacre, C, 7-0, 260, Gonzaga, Senior
• Wesley Witherspoon, G/F, 6-9, 207, Memphis, Senior
 6 years ago '10        #8677
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In order this is who i'd be happy with them getting in the 2nd round...

1.Scott Machado

2.Darius Johnson-Odom

3.Scoop Jardine

 6 years ago '04        #8678
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out that bunch, Gates is the one to look forward to the most according to Tommy Dee
 6 years ago '04        #8679
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 Blkboipurp said:
In order this is who i'd be happy with them getting in the 2nd round...

1.Scott Machado

2.Darius Johnson-Odom

3.Scoop Jardine

that's how i see things so far
 6 years ago '04        #8680
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and Woodson is officially our coach
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