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 5 years ago '11        #8661
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 kingpin222 said:
Amare ain't that bad man, ya'll n*ggas worrying about JR Smith like that n*gga ain't stink up the fu*king playoffs man. Like Tyson chandler didn't average like 4pts in the playoffs. Like we weren't playing w/o Lin, and Shumpert + Amare/Baron for one game. Ya'll ain't getting on Novak for not finding a way to get open the entire series so just CHILL w/ all that trade Amare sh*t.
nah fu*k that amare aint been sh*t for a year and a half by any measure. RAPM rates him as one of the worst players in the league, his raw +/- is a negative 11 per 48, his volume stats are mediocre for any player given his usage rate and and atrocious for a max player and he sure as fu*k aint passing the eye test. he manages picks up cheap fouls without playing any defense, switches on everything forcing other guys to pick up cheap fouls and he ruins our floor spacing offensively. he's the epitome of a cancer.

how can you call yourself a knick fan and defend this n*gga


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 5 years ago '07        #8662
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gonna be a long off season

at least the mets are surprising



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 5 years ago '04        #8663
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Glen Grunwald wore a smile when he officially got the job as Knicks general manager earlier this season. It was not a reward for a job well done as the interim, but a vote of confidence in his ability to continue to get the job done.

He spent a majority of the season as an inconspicuous presence, which is just how he likes it, yet as the Knicks went into the offseason following Wednesday's Game 5 loss in Miami, Grunwald takes his first step into the spotlight now facing a summer that will be loaded with critical decisions. Another move like what we saw in December, when the team aggressively maneuvered to land free agent prize Tyson Chandler, and the Knicks could be a championship contender next season.

But one or two false moves could limit the potential of this team, which next season will mark its 40th year since its last NBA title.

"I didn't come here to lose in the first round," Chandler said. "I don't plan on doing this in the future."

A lot of that depends on the team's three stars, Chandler, Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, raising their respective levels as they each hit the peak years of their careers. But it also depends on a.ssembling the right supporting cast around them.

It starts, of course, with a player who could be considered a star in his own right, though mainly in popularity after what was essentially storybook month of February that will forever be known as "Linsanity." What Jeremy Lin now faces is an offseason in which he absolutely must return for training camp in October a better, smarter and stronger player than he was this season. That much is on him.

But the team has to decide just how much value to put into 35 games -- yes, 35 mostly impressive, sometimes inexplicable games -- when they discuss his contract situation. What happens with Lin on this front will directly impact everything else they can and will do in the offseason to improve the team.

Lin is a restricted free agent, which means the Knicks can match any offers made by other teams. With the Gilbert Arenas provision, teams can not offer Lin more than the league's average salary, about $5 million. But because the Knicks don't yet own Lin's "Bird Rights" (which allows teams to go over the cap to sign their own players), the team would have to use some, or possibly all, of their Mid-Level Exception ($5 million per season for a maximum of four years).

Here is where the Knicks are in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. Let us explain:

Lin's market value can't be judged like most players because of his incredible popularity and the resulting impact he potentially has on ticket sales, television and advertising revenue and more for a small-market team, especially one with a large Asian population (i.e.: Toronto), looking to make money, or get a return on its investment. So as several NBA executives have indicated to me recently, it's not outrageous to believe at least one team may make a full mid-level offer to Lin in the hopes the Knicks will pass.

The Knicks, who are over the salary cap, have so many other areas of need to address (point guard, backup center, bench scoring) and to tie up their entire MLE on one player, which would leave them with little else to use to fill the roster than the Bi-Annual Exception ($1.9 million) and veteran's minimum contracts.

With an obvious need for an experienced playmaking point guard and the ideal fit in Steve Nash available, the Knicks might prefer to make a play for Nash with their mid-level and, in an idealistic world, have him around to mentor a protégé like the 23-year-old Lin. (This is, of course, a.ssuming Nash would come for merely $5 million, which, according to people I have spoken with, is way below his perceieved value even at 38 years old).

How could they possibly do this? By getting Lin to make a sacrifice for one season.

This is an extremely unlikely scenario, but hear me out.

Lin could conceivably accept his qualifying offer of $1,029,389 for one season, which will keep him on the roster for one more season. That allows the Knicks to get his "Early Bird" rights next year, which, again allow them to re-sign him in 2013 for a multi-year deal up to the league average regardless of their cap situation.

Now, while this scenario works best for the Knicks, who could then make a determined play for Nash, who, in my opinion, would be like the trade for Dave DeBusschere in 1968 as the final piece to a championship-caliber puzzle in New York, it is hardly an ideal move for Lin.

Sure, everyone wants to do what's best for the team, but if you were his agent, would you think this is a good idea? That kind of move would be a major risk for Lin, who could see his market value plummet as a reserve behind Nash. What Lin and his representation what to promote is the idea that Linsanity wasn't a novelty this season and that Lin is this team's answer at the point guard position.

Still, with just 35 games to go on, it makes it a very precarious decision with many what-ifs to haunt Grunwald and his staff into July: 1. What if Lin signs elsewhere and emerges into an all-star? 2. What if Lin struggles as defenses exploit his weaknesses?

Now the Knicks don't have to use their entire MLE on Lin. They can use some of it -- say $3 million -- and use the remaining $2 million to take care of other business, such as a backup center or a veteran point guard not named Nash (would Jason Kidd come at Chandler's request?).

Still, there's no denying Lin is the first domino of the offseason for the Knicks once we get to July 1.

RESTRUCTURE CONJECTURE

So many of you have asked about the possibility of the team's highest-paid players, Melo ($20.4 million in 2012-13) and Amar'e ($19.9 million) restructuring their respective contracts to open up some salary cap space so the Knicks can go after another free agent.

The fact is the new collective bargaining agreement does include a restructuring provision. But the rule is written in such a way that neither the players, nor the team, are eligible to do it.

It's really an inane provision in the agreement when you consider the restrictions. For starters, a team has to already be under the salary cap for restructuring to be permitted. And after that, the player has to be three years into his current contract.

You can thank both the NBA and the players union for this. The union did not want a rule that would create public pressure for a player to restructure to help a team that has made poor contract decisions and needed help. The NBA did not want to see players get monster contracts only to immediately restructure to create room for more monster contracts.

So forget restructuring as a means to alleviate cap issues for the Knicks or open up room to make a play for another free agent. The Miami Heat's Big Three had it right when they each agreed to take less than the maximum in order to fit each other and still field a decent team around them. Even then, that roster is extremely shallow, so it puts even more emphasis on good drafting and waiver pick ups.

Hey, isn't that where Jeremy Lin comes in?

THE REST OF THE ROSTER

So with no first round pick (the Rockets get the Knicks' pick at No. 16), no money left to buy a pick (cash considerations were used in the Chandler trade) and a long wait to No. 48 in the second round, how else can the Knicks improve the roster?

By trades, of course.

• Consider Toney Douglas ($2 million) as an expiring contract, but a young player in need of a second chance somewhere. Package that with Jerome Jordan's non-guaranteed salary ($760,000) for next season and you can attempt to acquire a $3 million player from a team looking to save some money.

• Landry Fields is a restricted free agent ($1.03 million qualifying offer) who could garner some interest if you want to sweeten the pot for a higher-end player, but while Shumpert seems to have moved ahead of him on the shooting guard depth chart, the sense is the organization still believes in Fields. But that also depends on how much Mike Woodson, should he return as head coach, believes in Fields. Also, if you can find a veteran scorer who can fill that shooting guard role, it may make more sense to upgrade the offense.

• J.R. Smith is expected to opt-out and become an unrestricted free agent this summer, which comes as no surprise. The second year was added only as insurance at Smith's request. The Knicks have very few tools to re-sign Smith and, considering Lin's situation with the MLE, I don't expect him to be a priority.

• Steve Novak is an unrestricted free agent and the Knicks do not have his Bird Rights. Novak's value on the open market will decide whether or not he can return, but the Knicks could either use some leftover from the MLE or the BAE ($1.9 million) to keep Novak if he really wants to stay.

• Mike Bibby and Jared Jeffries are both wild cards here. Woodson has a great deal of confidence in Bibby, who performed well as a starter in Game 5 against Miami but throughout the season seemed to break down a lot. As a third string point guard and veteran in the locker room, he's fine to keep for the veteran's minimum.

• Jeffries, who will undergo surgery to repair a balky knee that severely limited him late in the season and in the playoffs, may not be so easy to re-sign with a veteran's minimum. The defensive specialist opened some eyes this season with his play off the bench and may attract better offers elsewhere. You can be certain if Mike D'Antoni returns to the NBA next season (Clippers?), Jeffries will likely wind up wherever D'Antoni lands.

KEEP AN EYE ON…

• Expect to see Josh Harrellson in Las Vegas for the Knicks at the NBA Summer League along with Jordan. One of the understated disappointments of Shumpert's knee injury is he will once again miss the chance to play in the summer league, which is a great opportunity for young players to work on their game, work with team coaches and prepare for the coming season. Shumpert missed out on the summer league last year because of the lockout.

• Chandler and Anthony will be in camp in July with USA Basketball and it is possible both players will be starters for Coach K's team when the Olympic Games open in London. While that's great for them -- and for the U.S. -- it sets up some concerns about either coming to training camp in October with an injury or needing rest. But perhaps it's the best thing for Melo, who has been maligned for his conditioning in the past. Two months of workouts with the best players in the world may be exactly what he needs going into what could be a pivotal season in his Knicks career.

• As the predraft process begins, a name to monitor (as many of you, I know, already are) is Scott Machado, who was coach Tim Cluess' outstanding point guard at Iona College and is a New York City product (though he played his high school ball at Newark's St. Benedict's Prep). Machado isn't big, but plays with great speed and has impressive floor vision, which are two needs the Knicks have in their backcourt. Most draft boards right now project him to be a mid-second rounder, but that could change with strong predraft workouts.

Another busy offseason awaits with some critical decisions to be made.
 5 years ago '04        #8664
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Know this about the Knicks' 2011-12 season, which ended with their loss to Miami in Game 5 on Wednesday: They gave us plenty to talk about.

In lieu of the organization's third championship (that's 39 consecutive years and counting without one, for the record), the entertainment value was at an all-time high even if it included some unwelcome lows. A team may never have sparked this many storylines in one season -- let alone one shortened by the lockout.

There was Tyson Chandler's arrival and Chauncey Billups' departure. An 8-15 start. Jeremy Lin saving the day (10 wins in the next 13 games) and Linsanity spreading the globe. Carmelo Anthony as villain, then as beloved son. The power forward formerly known as Amar'e Stoudemire. Coach Mike D'Antoni taking his seven-seconds-or-less ball and going home. Mike Woodson's strong finish.

But now that it's all over, it's time to discuss the most pressing questions facing the Knicks as they head into the offseason.

• Who is going to coach this team?

Woodson looks to have the inside track on keeping the job long term. Woodson denied a report in Monday's New York Daily News that he had begun extension talks with the Knicks, but a source close to the situation told SI.com that the coach has, in fact, been telling people that he has had preliminary discussions with team officials about his return. Though no one ever knows how things can change when it comes to owner James Dolan and his Garden, the signs are strong that the Knicks will retain Woodson rather than chase the likes of Phil Jackson or Kentucky coach John Calipari.

Woodson has no shortage of supporters within the organization, and his standing appears solid despite the Knicks' poor showing in the first round of the playoffs. After D'Antoni resigned on March 14, the Knicks went 18-6 under Woodson. His successful use of Anthony while Stoudemire was sidelined with back problems is helping his cause, as is his season-long impact on the team's defense. New York improved dramatically on defense after Woodson was hired as an a.ssistant last offseason to help on that end of the floor, with Defensive Player of the Year Chandler leading a unit that ranked fifth in points allowed per possession.

The season-ending injuries to guards Lin, Iman Shumpert and Baron Davis have provided built-in excuses for why the Knicks weren't more competitive against the Heat. The question now is whether Woodson is the right coach to take this group to the next level. He has sparked steady progress before, from 2004-10 in Atlanta, where the Hawks improved every year, winning 13 games in his first season and 53 in his sixth and last. Woodson lost in the first round once and the second round twice with the Hawks, for whom he went 206-286.

• Will they re-sign Lin?

Before we even get into Lin's basketball impact, there's the business aspect of his presence. Just 11 days after he received his first start and turned the Knicks' season around with his phenomenal play, a Forbes.com headline read "Jeremy Lin: A One-Man, Global Economic Stimulus Package."

His cultural appeal will be there no matter which fan base he's playing for, but the folks in the MSG offices are well aware that he's a keeper for their market. After all, it was no coincidence that their television-rights dispute with Time Warner was resolved in the middle of Lin's memorable run. People wanted to see the second-year player in action, and a deal simply had to be struck.

As for the basketball minds in the building? Sources said they want Lin back, too. He's still seen as the possible solution to this whole mess, a steadying force who can help all the pieces fall into place once this group gets more time to play together.

The Knicks are positioned to keep the restricted free agent because they can use their mid-level exception of about $5 million to match any offer for him and because the so-called Gilbert Arenas rule limits rival teams from offering more than that amount in first-year salary for players with fewer than three years of experience like Lin. But unless the Knicks can persuade Lin to come back for a cheaper price, there could be a ripple effect on the rest of the roster.

• What's the ripple effect?

The possibility that the Knicks could lose key members of their rotation.

First candidate to escape? Restricted free agent Landry Fields, a second-round steal in the 2010 draft. The 23-year-old guard is still considered a big part of the team's plans despite his decline this season. But after speaking with interested parties and CBA expert Larry ****, it seems clear that Fields could be a goner.

If the Knicks use the non-taxpayer mid-level exception on Lin, they wouldn't be allowed to go over what's called the "apron," or $4 million above the luxury-tax threshold, which is an estimated $74 million in payroll. A mid-level deal for Lin would bring New York's 2012-13 payroll to more than $62 million for only six players (one of whom, forward Renaldo Balkman, is no longer with the team but is owed $1.675 million next season). Even if a seventh player, shooting guard J.R. Smith, opts out of his $2.5 million contract for next season, as has been widely expected, the Knicks would still be left with little money to spend on Fields and the rest of the team before hitting $74 million.

So even though the Arenas rule and matching rights come into play with Fields like they do with Lin, Fields would be exposed in this scenario because the Knicks couldn't exceed $74 million under any circumstances. And if another team targets Fields in free agency (perhaps with a deal of his own for around $5 million annually), the Knicks would have a tough decision to make about whether to match.

Another challenge will be re-signing unrestricted free agent Steve Novak, the 28-year-old forward who averaged a career-high 8.8 points and led the NBA in three-point shooting at 47.2 percent. Novak will be looking for a raise from his veteran's minimum of $854,389 this season.

As for Smith, who averaged 12.5 points on 40.7 percent shooting as a midseason signing after a stint in China, one source close to the situation said it's far too soon to a.ssume he won't be back. Though that would seem unlikely based on the value of a 26-year-old scorer on the free-agent market, his comfort level in New York coupled with some other teams' concerns related to his history of clashing with coaches in New Orleans (Byron Scott) and Denver (George Karl) and exhibiting questionable judgment on and off the court could favor a return to the Knicks.

Smith has a good relationship with Woodson so far. Woodson has shown a willingness to challenge him, most notably when the coach told him in mid-April to be more professional and said he wanted "his shorts pulled up." But Woodson has also "put his arm around him," one source said. If Woodson is retained, the source said, then that would be a factor in Smith's decision.

• With Anthony taking over as the franchise centerpiece, is it time for Stoudemire to go?

It depends on where we're sending him. Should he go to the Knicks' practice facility in Greenburgh, N.Y., where he'll then spend most of his offseason figuring out how to fit in? Yes. Will he be going to another team? Don't count on it.

Stoudemire, 29, has three years and $65 million left on his contract that -- here's the important part for a player with a long injury history -- is not insured. And now that the 10-year veteran is looking nothing like the Knicks' savior we saw in 2010-11, the chances that any team would take him are beyond remote. His scoring plummeted from 25.3 points last season to 17.3 this season (he attempted about five fewer shots per game with Anthony in tow for a full season).

The six-time All-Star had microfracture surgery on his left knee in 2005 and an arthroscopic surgery on the right knee in both 2006 and 2007. Add in the serious eye injuries suffered in 2008 and 2009, and the back problems that caused him to miss 13 games this season, and there's a serious buyer-be-beware component to his situation.

"I can't think of anyone who has less trade value," a Western Conference executive said.

The Knicks no longer have the option of waiving Stoudemire and removing him from their payroll, either, because the team already used the one-time amnesty clause on Billups before the season during its pursuit of Chandler in free agency.

"If you are going to trade him, more than likely you're going to take something worse back," said TNT analyst Steve Kerr, who was the Suns' general manager for part of Stoudemire's tenure in Phoenix. "But because of the new [CBA] rules, with the shorter contracts, it's almost impossible to take back a worse contract. I don't know if there are any out there."

In other words, don't expect a Gilbert Arenas-for-Rashard Lewis type deal for Stoudemire. Before those players were swapped in a December 2010 trade between the Wizards and Magic, their contracts were widely seen as "untradable." But even though both players were earning exorbitant annual salaries of more than $20 million, Arenas' deal lasted a year longer than Lewis' and the Wizards saw a chance for savings. The CBA rules change to which Kerr referred is the fact that contract lengths are, in essence, a year shorter under the current agreement compared to the previous one.

• So does someone else go?

The internal sentiment, according to one source close to the situation, is that this group can get it done with Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler as the core and that there's a "three-year window" to make a strong title push with them. But Kerr said any team that struggled to win even one game in the first round of the playoffs should consider all options.

"I think you have to look into trading anybody on the team," Kerr said.

Anthony has three years and $67.2 million remaining on his contract, and Kerr said he "has a ton of value" as an elite scorer in his prime. Chandler, one executive surmised, could be used in a possible deal with Orlando if the Magic wind up trading center Dwight Howard this summer. Before Howard stunningly exercised his player option in March to return to Orlando for one more season, the Knicks were among the many teams looking into landing the six-time All-Star and three-time Defensive Player of the Year. Chandler is owed $42.3 million over the next three seasons, and he could be packaged with some of the Knicks' younger players (Shumpert, to name one) to make an enticing pitch.

The Knicks also were among the teams that asked New Orleans about point guard Chris Paul before he was traded to the Clippers in December, according to sources. But even as the Knicks have done their due diligence in inquiring about stars who may be available, it remains unlikely that any of their core players will be dealt.

• Can Anthony and Stoudemire play together (with Lin)?

The small sample size of regular-season numbers say "no." But the Knicks' front office and ownership are far more focused on making it work than they are on considering any major changes, according to sources close to the situation.

First, the data: While the Knicks were 16-10 with Lin running the point in the regular season (including one game in which he played 36 minutes off the bench), they were just 8-9 when Anthony, Stoudemire and Lin all played together. The Knicks were 14-5 overall without Stoudemire, and Anthony played his best basketball during those times.

In the 13 games played under Woodson in which Stoudemire was out, Anthony led the Knicks to nine wins while averaging 30.6 points and 21.9 shots and shooting 50.5 percent. But Anthony wasn't nearly as prolific when he had to share the floor (and the touches) with Stoudemire. In the 10 games in which they played together under Woodson, Anthony averaged just 16.6 points and 15.5 shots while hitting 40.6 percent, and Stoudemire averaged 16.5 points and 10.9 shots while making 56.8 percent. Game 4 against Miami was one of the aberrations, as Anthony scored 41 points (on 15-of-29 shooting) while Stoudemire -- who returned with a heavily padded right hand after missing Game 3 because of his run-in with the infamous fire extinguisher -- had 20 points (8-of-13 shooting) and 10 rebounds.

Now, on to the possible problem: Anthony's need to play Stoudemire's position. Not only did Anthony get to be his ball-dominant self without Stoudemire, but Stoudemire's absence also allowed Anthony to create nightly mismatches by playing power forward instead of small forward. The solution, Kerr and others have said, would be to bring Stoudemire off the bench while Anthony starts at power forward and Chandler at center.

"You figure that if you've got him for three years and you're worried about his knees, then maybe you turn him into your sixth man and play him 25 minutes a night," Kerr said of Stoudemire. "You can get him, say, 12-15 minutes a night where he's without Carmelo on the floor, and you can run your offense through him. And then you play them another 10 minutes together, but maybe you do those 10 where Chandler is off the floor and Amar'e is the 'five' [center] and Melo is the 'four' [power forward]. I just think you've got to try to mix and match your lineup to get the most out of him, because the chances of trading him are so slim."
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"Jeremy Lin, looking ahead: "My biggest fear is coming back ... and being as good. That’s my biggest fear. I need to be a lot better.""
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GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- New York Knicks coach Mike Woodson said restricted free agent Jeremy Lin will "absolutely" be back next season with the team.

But as the starting point guard? Woodson said Lin "still has a ways to go" to improve his game.

"Jeremy's a big part of our team and will he start? Only time will tell," Woodson told reporters Thursday morning at the Knicks' training facility, on a day the players had their exit interviews with the coach. "He's still got to recover from his knee and use this summer to really work on his game to put himself in the best position possible for our ballclub. He has started for our team and he has played well for our basketball team. But this summer will be very pivotal for him in terms of his improvement and the future's very bright for him."

In 35 games during the regular season, Lin averaged 14.6 points and 6.2 a.ssists per game. When Lin was leading the team to a 6-1 stretch in mid-March right after Woodson took over for Mike D'Antoni, five players (including himself) were scoring in double figures, and the Knicks were averaging 100.9 points per game and holding opponents to only 86.9.

Looking ahead, the biggest area for Lin to build on, which will be a major factor in Woodson's decision to start him, is how he'll handle defensive pressure consistently. During the height of "Linsanity," from Feb. 6 to March 24, he averaged 4.5 turnovers per game and sometimes he had eight or nine on a given night. But once Lin settles down and gets more game experience -- he started cutting down his mistakes shortly before he got hurt -- he has potential written all over him.

Thanks to a clause in the CBA named after Gilbert Arenas, no other team can offer Lin more than the $5 million mid-level exception, and the Knicks have the right to match those offers. Therefore, Lin is considered a virtual lock to be re-signed come July 1, the start of free agency. However, Woodson's comments still left the door open for a player like Steve Nash, who will be an unrestricted free agent this offseason.

It's been reported that Nash wants a three-year deal -- he is, after all, still playing at an All-Star level at 38 years old -- and the Knicks would likely only be able to offer him the veteran's minimum for $1.4 million.

Nevertheless, the Knicks have confidence in Lin's abilities. Regarding the point guard's future, Woodson said "the sky's the limit" and Carmelo Anthony is a "big believer" in what Lin can do next season. But, most importantly, they want him to recover from his left knee injury, which was operated on April 2 to repair a small chronic meniscal tear.

"I want him to get healthy, come back at full strength and see what happens from there," Anthony said. "He's still a part of the team and we want him. We love what he's done for our team, what he's done for the organization and what he's done for the city. We just want him to come back healthy and be ready for next year."

Reflecting on the Miami Heat series, Tyson Chandler said the Knicks definitely missed Lin's presence on the court. While Anthony played fairly well offensively, averaging 27.8 points over five games while shooting 41.9 percent, the team couldn't generate enough secondary scoring. One of the main reasons was because they lacked a consistent pick-and-roll playmaker (Lin) who could set up Chandler and Amare Stoudemire off screens and find J.R. Smith and Steve Novak spotting up from 3-point territory.

In fact, Novak was only 4-for-7 from beyond the arc in the series. The older and hobbled Baron Davis and Mike Bibby couldn't weave through the Heat's defense enough and Smith, who occasionally ran point, settled for too many jumpshots. But Lin, at 100 percent, would've been able to put more pressure on the Heat with his quickness, ball-handling and passing.

"He's a very explosive guard," Chandler said. "I think leading up to him getting hurt, I felt like he was losing a step because he had injuries that a lot of us didn't know about. And so, that explosiveness and attack-first, getting to the cup, we could've used that for sure."

In addition to Lin, Woodson said he would love to see Smith and Novak re-sign with the team. At this point, Novak is more likely to return than Smith, who sources say will opt out of his player option because the $2.5 million biannual exception that the Knicks can offer him this summer will be below his market value. But Smith said on Thursday that he would like to be back "without a doubt."

"Steve Novak and J.R. were a big part of what we done so far this season and there's room for growth for them as well," Woodson said. "I would love to see those two men come back and play a big role in our Knicks' success."

The Knicks are surrounded by plenty of questions, including who will become the team's next coach and what will they do about initially replacing starting shooting guard Iman Shumpert, who's out until about December with a left torn ACL and lateral meniscus. Woodson, who hopes to earn full-time status after serving on an interim basis since March 14, addressed the latter and said he'll discuss Shumpert's situation in the coming days.

For now, it was time to reflect on a positive season.

"Nothing negative," Woodson said. "I think the experience and the kind of the season we've had from an injury standpoint, we still withstood a lot of the injuries and was able to make the playoffs. The playoffs weren't what we expected, but the fact that some of the young guys got the opportunity to experience playoff basketball. Being their first time together, and Amare and Carmelo and Tyson, the future looks very bright."
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Frank Isola

Mike Woodson’s relationship with Larry Brown didn’t prevent the Knicks from hiring Woodson last summer.

But in order to keep the Knicks head coaching job, Woodson has distanced himself from the Hall of Fame coach at the urging of Madison Square Garden management.

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Woodson’s contract negotiations with the Knicks began last week when the interim head coach decided to fire his agent, Joe Glass, who also represents Brown, the Daily News has learned.

For five years and up until last Friday, Woodson had been represented by Glass, who negotiated Brown’s five-year, $50 million contract with the Knicks in the summer of 2005.

Brown spent one tumultuous season as Knicks head coach before Garden Chairman James Dolan fired him for cause. The ugly divorce ended with the two sides reaching a settlement in Oct. 2006 where Brown received $18.5 million payout. The bitterness from that break-up apparently still exists since, according to a source, Woodson was advised that it would be in his best interests to change agents.

A person close to Woodson denies that the Garden influenced his decision, saying only that Woodson felt changing representation would a.ssure of him of signing a long-term deal with the club.

Glass, 87, is in declining health and was unavailable for comment. His son, Keith, spoke on behalf of the Glass family when he said: “Hey, Mike deserves the job. I’m trying to take the high road and I won’t be asking anyone at the Garden for directions.”

Joe's son, Keith Glass, negotiated Woodson’s deal to join the Knicks last summer as an a.ssistant coach and worked with Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald to restructure Woodson’s deal once he replaced Mike D’Antoni as head coach in March.

Woodson is believed to be close to signing with CAA, whose list of coaching clients include the Bulls' Tom Thibodeau and Kentucky’s John Calipari. CAA also represents Carmelo Anthony, who has endorsed the re-signing of Woodson.

The News reported on Tuesday that Woodson has entered into negotiations with the Knicks to sign a contract extension. Woodson denied the story despite having already informed the Glass family of his decision to change representation.

Woodson is in an awkward position because of his close ties both Brown and Thomas, who haven’t been on speaking terms since Brown was fired after the team went 23-59 and management accused Brown of violating MSG policies. Woodson worked for Brown in both Philadelphia and Detroit and the two speak regularly.

Woodson also has a long history with Thomas, his former teammate at Indiana University. Grunwald was also a teammate at Indiana. Thomas and Grunwald recruited Woodson to the Knicks to join D’Antoni’s staff and convinced Dolan that Woodson would be a good hire.

When Dolan removed the interim tag from Grunwald’s title in April it was clear that Woodson was the leading candidate to remain as coach. Phil Jackson was never seriously considered because the club feels that because of his age and health concerns, Jackson wouldn’t be committed to the job.
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"Stoudemire's remarks that Woodson is the first coach to ask him to develop a low-post game next season is not shocking, though it should be. He played for D'Antoni - and Gentry - for most most of his career and didn't play in college. Stoudemire's mid-range game and rolls to bucket got him points. Still, it is stunning a veteran 6-10 player who isn't a 3-point shooter wouldn't think to work on his low-post game, especially after knee surgery. Biggest admission he's lost his explosiveness. "
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Now that the season is over and sheer speculation and prognostications have finally been supplanted by real, undeniable results, it's safe to express the obvious about these New York Knicks:

They simply are not elite.

They are a one-man team on offense (Carmelo Anthony). They were a one-man team on defense (Tyson Chandler) the minute rookie Iman Shumpert went down with a knee injury. Amare Stoudemire is often injured and many have lost patience with him. Jeremy Lin was too busy making fashion statements to play a playoff game at "85 percent." And the coaches can't tell if they are lame ducks (due to Phil Jackson) or about to be rewarded with multiyear deals.

"I'm personally very disappointed," Chandler said after a Game 5 in Miami that sent the Knicks home for the summer. "It's unacceptable to me. I didn't come here to lose in the first round and I don't plan on doing this in the future."

So where do the Knicks go from here?

We all know some folks need to go.

Only the stupid among Knicks fans believes it should be Melo. A career 24-points-per-game scorer capable of dribbling, shooting and creating his own shot from anywhere doesn't deserve to be shipped out of town for losing to the reigning conference champions.

"You got someone else you think is on Melo's level as a talent in this league?" one Eastern Conference executive asked rhetorically. "We all know better."

What we don't know is who will be available to a.ssist Melo in taking the Knicks to heights unknown for the last decade, not to mention a championship that has alluded this franchise since 1973. And this postseason did little to help us out.

Despite Chandler's greatness as a defender and emotional leader, he's sorely lacking offensively. "I definitely have to work on that this offseason," he said.

Then there's the issue of point guard. Lin will look to capitalize off being a restricted free agent; how much will the Knicks need to pay to keep him? Will it be as a starter? And will it happen at the expense of getting their hands on a Steve Nash or Goran Dragic?

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It's clear some thought needs to be put into Landry Fields, who continues to be a no-show every time the month of April rolls around. J.R. Smith has already tweeted he may not elect to come back because New Yorkers had the temerity to be upset with consecutive 3-for-15 shooting performances along with 31 percent shooting from the field in the playoffs.

The marksman, Steve Novak, refused to shoot in the playoffs if a fingernail was in his face. Mike Bibby just looks as if he's aged. No one knows if Shumpert will ever fully recover. Baron Davis' career might be over after his Game 4 knee injury. And, unavoidably, the Knicks must do something about Stoudemire.

"It was a difficult season for a lot of reasons," said Stoudemire, who finished with more fouls (six) and turnovers (five) than rebounds (four) in the decisive Game 5. "I've got to do better. I know that."

Actually, he's got to get better health-wise. No one knows if he will. All anyone knows is that he is owed $64 million over the next three years and that the Knicks will probably be unsuccessful if they try to trade him.

"We'll figure it out," Chandler said. "We have to. It's not like we really have a choice."

Evidently, he doesn't know the Knicks.
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When interim coach Mike Woodson stopped short of anointing Jeremy Lin the Knicks’ starting point guard for next season, he did so with a reason. The Knicks have eyes on landing a veteran point guard to share the load and do not want to close the door on any point-guard recruits.

The Knicks have their list of capable point guards to pursue in free agency, which begins July 1, either for the veteran’s minimum at about $1.4 million or their lower exception of $2 million. Their $5 million mid-level exception is expected to go to Lin, 24, who not only adds another dimension to Woodson’s sickly playoff offense but adds a boatload of cash to owner James Dolan’s coffers.

Some of the cheaper veteran free agents include Derek Fisher, Gary Neal, Kirk Hinrich, Ramon Sessions and even ex-Knick Raymond Felton. The Knicks are helped because the market for mid-tier players is suppressed by the new collective bargaining agreement, and most teams already have their starting point guard.

Other young free-agent point guards include Amityville’s A.J. Price, Jannero Pargo and former Syracuse star Jonny Flynn, whom the Knicks staff likes. Goran Dragic and Steve Nash are out of reach, and Andre Miller and Jameer Nelson also appear pie-in-the-sky.

The Knicks want to build around Linsanity. General manager Glen Grunwald does not believe the Knicks’ 8-1 February run with Lin at the controls was a fluke. But management has questions as Lin rehabs from last month’s left knee surgery, starting with: Will he be durable enough to last a full 82-game schedule as a starter, especially given his style of barreling into the paint?

Jared Jeffries, in his weekly appearance on ESPN radio Friday, said he feels Lin is the answer to lead the Amar’e Stoudemire-Carmelo Anthony Knicks.

“We’ve got to have a point guard,’’ Jeffries said. “I think that a point guard that demands the respect of both of them [Stoudemire and Anthony] will do a lot better. I think the big key is for Jeremy to take the next step as a point guard. He has to command the ball, have control of the offense and get guys in the right spot.

“I have in full confidence in Jeremy [being the leader] because a guy that plays as hard as he does, understands the game the way he does, you can’t help but follow his example.’’

In his exit meeting, J.R. Smith, who may exercise a player option in his contract for next season, was told by Woodson to work on his point-guard skills because the Knicks could use him in a backup spot.

“My defense is my No. 1 emphasis in my game,’’ Smith said. “Secondly, being a combo guard. Hopefully it won’t come down to that next year, but I will work on the point-guard skills, keep being a better ball-handler and watching a lot of film.’’

Though Toney Douglas is signed through next season, he is in Woodson’s doghouse and viewed as more of a shooting guard. Re-signing Mike Bibby, a Woodson favorite, is also possible as point-guard insurance.

Lin said he still has a slew of areas to work on. He told The Post he will pass on playing in the Las Vegas Summer League but would accept an invitation to the Select Team practicing against Team USA during its Olympic training camp in Las Vegas.

“I don’t think I’ve mastered anything,’’ Lin said. “Becoming more explosive, the catch-and-shoot, passing, limiting turnovers, reading the game, getting stronger, defense. That’s the good thing of this season. I’ve had struggles to know how much further I have to go.’’

The Knicks won’t have combo guard Iman Shumpert (torn ACL) to start training camp, so re-signing Landry Fields looks to be a lock. Fields forms a good tandem with his buddy Lin. Because Fields has early Bird rights, the Knicks don’t need an exception to bring him back.

“I would love to,’’ Fields said. “With the character we have, the players and coaching staff we have, the organization is on the way up. I want to be part of it.’’

Especially if they lose sharpshooter Steve Novak, the Knicks will consider bringing back swingman Bill Walker, the starting small forward during much of the Linsanity run. Walker was cut by Grunwald in April to make room for center Dan Gadzuric, who was not in NBA condition.

Jeffries, also a free agent who wants to return despite chronic knee pain, said the Knicks should add “a young, athletic 3 that can come in and give Melo a break.’’
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The Players a.ssociation filed for an arbitration hearing yesterday to f!ght a loophole in the new collective bargaining agreement that could give the Knicks a lot more flexibility to re-sign Jeremy Lin while preserving their $5 million mid-level exception.

That mid-level exception could be used to net a very capable point-guard counterpart — even Steve Nash — and change the landscape of the Knicks’ summer.

In what could become known as “The Linsanity Rule,’’ the union will legally challenge a bylaw in which a player claimed off waivers loses his Bird rights. Lin was claimed off waivers by the Knicks in late December from the Rockets after previously being waived by the Warriors, who owned Lin’s Bird rights. Steve Novak also was claimed off waivers.

Under the status quo, the Knicks plan to use their $5 million mid-level exception to re-sign Lin, giving them very little salary-cap room to add another solid point guard.

If the Knicks retain their $5M mid-level exception while re-signing Lin as a Bird-rights player, they would be in the market for Nash, Andre Miller, Jason Kidd, Jameer Nelson and Goran Dragic. Nash seems a reach for $5 million after leading the NBA in a.ssists and with the Suns ready to bowl him over with a more lucrative offer.

The union will argue a player who is traded still keeps his Bird rights, so one claimed off waivers should as well.

“It’s more than ambigious,’’ union lead attorney Ron Klempner told The Post. “We believe a player claimed is no different than a player traded.’’

Novak is in a similar boat. The Knicks probably would be outbid if they offered Novak their lower exception of $2 million. The union claims there never has been a case in which a player was claimed and found himself in a situation of seeking more than the minimum in free agency. The union is f!ghting the battle mostly because of the Knicks’ unprecedented situation, although there are other players in a similar situation.

Interim coach Mike Woodson said Lin would return, but does not want to commit to him as the starter with eyes on adding a veteran. If they only have their $2 million exception, Raymond Felton, Derek Fisher and Gary Neal may be their best options.

Lin, meanwhile, got his wish of being named to the U.S. Select Team that will scrimmage against the U.S. Olympic Team in July in Las Vegas.
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The ability to keep this deep Knicks roster intact is riding on a decision that will be made by an independent arbitrator in June. Though this is technically an NBA Players a.ssociation vs. NBA argument, the result will have a direct and dramatic impact on the Knicks more than any other team.

On Tuesday, Howard Beck wrote an extensive piece in the New York Times outlining how the players union is seeking arbitration to challenge a ruling on Bird Rights for players claimed on waivers.

This is a rare case, one that has people I spoke to on both sides of the argument, plus several NBA executives and agents, equally fascinated and curious. Generally, players claimed on waivers are of little significance to the teams that claim them mainly because they are usually fringe players who are either not re-signed or re-signed at an affordable price.

But leave it to Linsanity to create yet another unprecedented situation in the NBA.

It was during Jeremy Lin's remarkable emergence from 15th man to stardom in February when the debate began about Lin's contract status. He was in the second year of a two-year deal he signed with the Golden State Warriors, but had been twice waived and, subsequently, twice claimed.

Collective bargaining agreement experts, such as Larry ****, proclaimed that Lin would still be a restricted free agent, but one without "Early Bird Rights," which are given to a player who is two years into the same contract. Therefore, Lin could only be re-signed by the capped-out Knicks by using their Mid-Level Exception.

That would severely limit the team's ability to sign other players and improve a roster that has six players headed to free agency. If another team signed Lin to an offer sheet for the full MLE ($5 million per season for a maximum of four years), the Knicks would be faced with signing Lin and having only the Bi-Annual Exception ($1.9 million) and veteran's minimums left to fill out the roster, or losing the 23-year-old wunderkind for nothing.

"Bird Rights" were established to protect teams, especially those over the salary cap, from losing their own star players to teams that can offer more money. A three-year waiting period was created in 1995, which spawned the call for "Early Bird Rights" which were created to allow capped-out teams to re-sign their own free agents after just two years under contract. However, with Early Birds, the team is limited to offering the player a maximum of the league average.

According to the CBA, a player's "Bird Rights" go with him when he is traded from team-to-team. But there is nothing in the document that indicates whether rights also transfer when a player is claimed on waivers.

The NBPA contends that the rights should transfer, because the contract remains intact, therefore the player's "clock" does not re-set. If, for instance, Lin cleared waivers and became a free agent -- such as when Jared Jeffries was waived by the Rockets in March 2011 and signed with the Knicks -- then the Bird Rights clock resets to zero.

But since Lin was claimed off waivers and the Knicks inherited his contract from the Rockets, the union believes his Bird Rights went with the contract just like it does in a trade. Essentially, to claim a player off waivers is like acquiring his contract for nothing.

The NBA's argument is that the Bird Rights rules are specifically defined in the CBA and cannot be debated.

That, however, will be up to an independent arbiter to decide. The union has asked that the process be expedited so a decision can be announced before free agency begins on July 1. It behooves the NBA to want to accelerate the process as well, because it could cause unnecessary problems during the free agency period.

This does not only impact Lin, but another important Knicks free agent, Steve Novak, who was in the second year of his contract after the team claimed him off waivers from the San Antonio Spurs.

If the union wins this argument, two other NBA players, and their respective teams, may benefit, including J.J. Hickson (Portland Trail Blazers) and Chauncey Billups (Los Angeles Clippers). But no one wins bigger than Lin, Novak and the Knicks, who could re-sign both players to a maximum of the league average (about $5.7 million, though it is doubtful Novak would command that much) and still have the MLE and BAE to spend to attract a free agents to upgrade the roster.

Now, before all of you CBA experts get into a lather, there are still other restrictions (aprons, cap holds, etc.) that will make things challenging for GM Glen Grunwald and his staff, but there's no question that it makes things astronomically better for the Knicks if the arbitration results in favor of the players.

So while the season may be over, there is still one more win the Knicks need before the summer.
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"Are the #Knicks ready to sign their prospect, Greek forward Georgios Printezis, who hit the game-winning floater to win the Euroleague for Olympiacos? It's complicated, specifically because he's on the Greek National Team competing in July in the qualifier and favorites to advance to London. He's also set to make big money from deep-pocketed Olympiacos. They see him as a bonafide backup PG'
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AL IANNAZZONE

The Knicks officially are expected to remove the interim label from Mike Woodson's title this week, according to multiple sources. The two sides are working on a long-term deal, the sources said, and something could be done within the next couple of days.

The Knicks were 18-6 under Woodson in the regular season after going 18-24 under Mike D'Antoni, who resigned March 14. They made the playoffs for the second straight season, losing to the Heat, four games to one.

There was speculation throughout the season that the Knicks would pursue Phil Jackson or John Calipari as their next coach.

Woodson, who had discussions about a contract extension with Knicks management during the playoffs, received strong endorsements from general manager and former Indiana University teammate Glen Grunwald toward the end of the season. Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all backed Woodson's return.

Woodson, who was drafted by the Knicks with the 12th pick in 1980, won an NBA title as an a.ssistant coach on Larry Brown's staff with the 2004 Pistons. The next season, Woodson became head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

He spent six years with Atlanta and reached the playoffs the last three years there, and the second round twice. The Hawks went 53-29 in 2009-10, Woodson's last season in Atlanta. His career record is 224-292 and 12-22 in the playoffs.
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 Born_Loser said:
AL IANNAZZONE

The Knicks officially are expected to remove the interim label from Mike Woodson's title this week, according to multiple sources. The two sides are working on a long-term deal, the sources said, and something could be done within the next couple of days.

The Knicks were 18-6 under Woodson in the regular season after going 18-24 under Mike D'Antoni, who resigned March 14. They made the playoffs for the second straight season, losing to the Heat, four games to one.

There was speculation throughout the season that the Knicks would pursue Phil Jackson or John Calipari as their next coach.

Woodson, who had discussions about a contract extension with Knicks management during the playoffs, received strong endorsements from general manager and former Indiana University teammate Glen Grunwald toward the end of the season. Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all backed Woodson's return.

Woodson, who was drafted by the Knicks with the 12th pick in 1980, won an NBA title as an a.ssistant coach on Larry Brown's staff with the 2004 Pistons. The next season, Woodson became head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

He spent six years with Atlanta and reached the playoffs the last three years there, and the second round twice. The Hawks went 53-29 in 2009-10, Woodson's last season in Atlanta. His career record is 224-292 and 12-22 in the playoffs.
i think he deserves it
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"#Knicks will work out Syracuse's PG Scoop Jardine tomorrow in Westchester. The Long Island kid, Tu Holloway, also will be there."

"Other players tomorrow include Kris Middleton of Texas A & M, Temple C Michael Eric, Florida State's Bernard James (FSU)."

will start doing my homework later this week
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 Born_Loser said:
AL IANNAZZONE

The Knicks officially are expected to remove the interim label from Mike Woodson's title this week, according to multiple sources. The two sides are working on a long-term deal, the sources said, and something could be done within the next couple of days.

The Knicks were 18-6 under Woodson in the regular season after going 18-24 under Mike D'Antoni, who resigned March 14. They made the playoffs for the second straight season, losing to the Heat, four games to one.

There was speculation throughout the season that the Knicks would pursue Phil Jackson or John Calipari as their next coach.

Woodson, who had discussions about a contract extension with Knicks management during the playoffs, received strong endorsements from general manager and former Indiana University teammate Glen Grunwald toward the end of the season. Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all backed Woodson's return.

Woodson, who was drafted by the Knicks with the 12th pick in 1980, won an NBA title as an a.ssistant coach on Larry Brown's staff with the 2004 Pistons. The next season, Woodson became head coach of the Atlanta Hawks.

He spent six years with Atlanta and reached the playoffs the last three years there, and the second round twice. The Hawks went 53-29 in 2009-10, Woodson's last season in Atlanta. His career record is 224-292 and 12-22 in the playoffs.


Good......now they have to go and retool the roster.


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Berman

"#Knicks will work out Syracuse's PG Scoop Jardine tomorrow in Westchester. The Long Island kid, Tu Holloway, also will be there."

"Other players tomorrow include Kris Middleton of Texas A & M, Temple C Michael Eric, Florida State's Bernard James (FSU)."

will start doing my homework later this week
I don't watch CBB but I remember hearing Scoop Jardines name occasionally.How is he?
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out of that bunch, according to reports he's the best one
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Shumpert makes NYK history with Fields

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"Landry Fields and Iman Shumpert are first back-to-back All-Rookie selections for #Knicks since Mark Jackson/Rod Strickland in '88 and '89.'
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