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 5 years ago '11        #8641
clydes suit 15 heat pts15
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amare for rashard lewis and if carlisle or thibs aren't available sign woodson to a 2 year deal.

and if washington doesn't bite amare for tyrus thomas, maggette(or diop) and reggie williams.


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 5 years ago '10        #8642
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 clydes suit said:
amare for rashard lewis and if carlisle or thibs aren't available sign woodson to a 2 year deal.
Carlisle n thibs arent going anywhere my dude
 05-09-2012, 07:53 PM         #8643
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 clydes suit said:
amare for rashard lewis

 5 years ago '11        #8644
Joseph 13 heat pts13
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 Agentzer0oo0 said:
-Fields is coming back most likely

-JR is gone even though he has a player option

-Melo I admit did come into season in good shape, but he's going to need to get in great shape like the homie Cambury said. He also needs to really develop his game defensively & try to be more of a playmaker. I've defended him but I also admit that he should be setting up his teammates much more smoothly.

-Amar'e we need to either trade him in the offseason or trade him at the trade deadline.

-Woodson I don't believe is the head coach for the team but I have no problem waiting until the first half of the next season ends to really judge.

-Lin is coming back but I question it. We need Steve Nash on this team because he's a great point guard & he'll be able to take the pressure off of Melo. Also Lin will be able to learn under Stevie & develop better. I've been saying it for a while but we're in win now mode & when you have a player like Lin who still needs to develop in multiple areas there becomes a cloud of questions on what exactly are you trying to be. A team trying to contend for titles or a team that wants to sacrifice the years of Tyson & Melo for Lin to be the future PG of the team.
nobody wants Amare
 5 years ago '05        #8645
BronxBombers 195 heat pts195
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 Hamburgers said:
fear not. you are one of us and we will take you to the NBA Finals.

Knick fans soul belong to us and together, we will win this championship.

do not fear the a.ssimilation, the transition will be peaceful if you do not resist.

you are one of us. a piece of my body is now inside yours.

join us.

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You r one weird Dude

This dude just message me telling me he wants to come inside me so i can Witness
 5 years ago '11        #8646
X_WunderKind_X 902 heat pts902
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*sigh*
 5 years ago '11        #8647
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 kawgre12 said:
Carlisle n thibs arent going anywhere my dude
probably not but as long as they haven't inked a deal for next season i'll cross my fingers.
 5 years ago '09        #8648
TriniSoldier 55 heat pts55
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n*gga said thibs, or the defending nba champ coach. y'all probably stuck with woodson, might as well make the best of it and work on personnel. i remember knick fans arguing with me in the off season that he was a better defensive coach than doc
 5 years ago '07        #8649
KnicksLost 17 heat pts17
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Keep Woodson but change all of our role players except Lin and Novak...we need some dogs on the team...like a reggie evans
 5 years ago '10        #8650
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 StylinOnYou said:
nobody wants Amare
Ian O'Connor

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- The question was whether the New York Knicks can trade Amare Stoudemire in the offseason, and the conversation with a high-ranking executive of a playoff team started in a predictable place.

"No," he said Wednesday. "No way."

The executive, a good one, cited the standard reasons why Stoudemire is an immovable summertime part. His injury history. The size of his contract. The lack of insurance on his knees. The diminished athleticism and presence around the rim.

"You'd be taking a tremendous risk with Amare," the executive said, "and the feeling around the league is he's living on borrowed time with his knees. I just don't think anyone would take him."

Only then was it repeated that Stoudemire, $100 million man, isn't owed $100 million over five years anymore, but $64.4 million over three. It was mentioned that Stoudemire is only 29, and that Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis were traded for each other, meaning it only requires one sucker, maybe two, to move any player and make any deal.

It was stated that the teams scheduled to be way under the salary cap -- the lottery likes of New Orleans, Cleveland, Sacramento, Portland, and Brooklyn, and the winning likes of Boston and Indiana -- might use their flexibility to gamble that Stoudemire will stay relatively healthy and give them some needed starpower and size.

Fifteen minutes into the conversation, the executive was sold.

"Now that we're talking through it," he said, "yes, I think Amare can be traded. If Gilbert Arenas can get traded, anyone can get traded. Every year there's a guy you think can't get moved, or a free agent asking for a figure you think he'll never get, and it always happens because it only takes one team."

So there it is: The Knicks need to find that team for Stoudemire.
 5 years ago '05        #8651
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 TriniSoldier said:
n*gga said thibs, or the defending nba champ coach. y'all probably stuck with woodson, might as well make the best of it and work on personnel. i remember knick fans arguing with me in the off season that he was a better defensive coach than doc
what idiot said that
 5 years ago '11        #8652
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 TriniSoldier said:
n*gga said thibs, or the defending nba champ coach. y'all probably stuck with woodson, might as well make the best of it and work on personnel. i remember knick fans arguing with me in the off season that he was a better defensive coach than doc
i need something to hope for and that's got a better chance of happening than amare being traded.
 5 years ago '10        #8653
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the only team with the money to take amare and not give a fu*k is the nets and we passed on amare
 5 years ago '12        #8654
ALTheGreatS 23 heat pts23
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 Hamburgers said:
fear not. you are one of us and we will take you to the NBA Finals.

Knick fans soul belong to us and together, we will win this championship.

do not fear the a.ssimilation, the transition will be peaceful if you do not resist.

you are one of us. a piece of my body is now inside yours.

join us.

become a...


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 5 years ago '07        #8655
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 Chixf Xscx said:
:mj2:



do we keep woodson? or go after the zen master?

novak/lin/ar jr/fields resigned?

dolan get melo the p90x?

trade stat?

what options are out there? who can we get/afford?

what's our options looking like for the draft?

:mj2:
woodson stays
novak/lin stay.im not really sold on lin but he's all we got and we hav his bird rights.
i dont think we hav a draft pick,so i would trade td for a low pick,early 2nd if possible
 5 years ago '05        #8656
kingpin222 2 heat pts
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Amare ain't that bad man, ya'll n*ggas worrying about JR Smith like that n*gga ain't stink up the fu*king playoffs man. Like Tyson chandler didn't average like 4pts in the playoffs. Like we weren't playing w/o Lin, and Shumpert + Amare/Baron for one game. Ya'll ain't getting on Novak for not finding a way to get open the entire series so just CHILL w/ all that trade Amare sh*t.
 5 years ago '11        #8657
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 kingpin222 said:
Amare ain't that bad man, ya'll n*ggas worrying about JR Smith like that n*gga ain't stink up the fu*king playoffs man. Like Tyson chandler didn't average like 4pts in the playoffs. Like we weren't playing w/o Lin, and Shumpert + Amare/Baron for one game. Ya'll ain't getting on Novak for not finding a way to get open the entire series so just CHILL w/ all that trade Amare sh*t.
nah fu*k that amare aint been sh*t for a year and a half by any measure. RAPM rates him as one of the worst players in the league, his raw +/- is a negative 11 per 48, his volume stats are mediocre for any player given his usage rate and and atrocious for a max player and he sure as fu*k aint passing the eye test. he manages picks up cheap fouls without playing any defense, switches on everything forcing other guys to pick up cheap fouls and he ruins our floor spacing offensively. he's the epitome of a cancer.

how can you call yourself a knick fan and defend this n*gga


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 5 years ago '07        #8658
Chief|m 53 heat pts53
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gonna be a long off season

at least the mets are surprising



until their eventual demise
 5 years ago '04        #8659
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Hahn

Glen Grunwald wore a smile when he officially got the job as Knicks general manager earlier this season. It was not a reward for a job well done as the interim, but a vote of confidence in his ability to continue to get the job done.

He spent a majority of the season as an inconspicuous presence, which is just how he likes it, yet as the Knicks went into the offseason following Wednesday's Game 5 loss in Miami, Grunwald takes his first step into the spotlight now facing a summer that will be loaded with critical decisions. Another move like what we saw in December, when the team aggressively maneuvered to land free agent prize Tyson Chandler, and the Knicks could be a championship contender next season.

But one or two false moves could limit the potential of this team, which next season will mark its 40th year since its last NBA title.

"I didn't come here to lose in the first round," Chandler said. "I don't plan on doing this in the future."

A lot of that depends on the team's three stars, Chandler, Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, raising their respective levels as they each hit the peak years of their careers. But it also depends on a.ssembling the right supporting cast around them.

It starts, of course, with a player who could be considered a star in his own right, though mainly in popularity after what was essentially storybook month of February that will forever be known as "Linsanity." What Jeremy Lin now faces is an offseason in which he absolutely must return for training camp in October a better, smarter and stronger player than he was this season. That much is on him.

But the team has to decide just how much value to put into 35 games -- yes, 35 mostly impressive, sometimes inexplicable games -- when they discuss his contract situation. What happens with Lin on this front will directly impact everything else they can and will do in the offseason to improve the team.

Lin is a restricted free agent, which means the Knicks can match any offers made by other teams. With the Gilbert Arenas provision, teams can not offer Lin more than the league's average salary, about $5 million. But because the Knicks don't yet own Lin's "Bird Rights" (which allows teams to go over the cap to sign their own players), the team would have to use some, or possibly all, of their Mid-Level Exception ($5 million per season for a maximum of four years).

Here is where the Knicks are in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. Let us explain:

Lin's market value can't be judged like most players because of his incredible popularity and the resulting impact he potentially has on ticket sales, television and advertising revenue and more for a small-market team, especially one with a large Asian population (i.e.: Toronto), looking to make money, or get a return on its investment. So as several NBA executives have indicated to me recently, it's not outrageous to believe at least one team may make a full mid-level offer to Lin in the hopes the Knicks will pass.

The Knicks, who are over the salary cap, have so many other areas of need to address (point guard, backup center, bench scoring) and to tie up their entire MLE on one player, which would leave them with little else to use to fill the roster than the Bi-Annual Exception ($1.9 million) and veteran's minimum contracts.

With an obvious need for an experienced playmaking point guard and the ideal fit in Steve Nash available, the Knicks might prefer to make a play for Nash with their mid-level and, in an idealistic world, have him around to mentor a protégé like the 23-year-old Lin. (This is, of course, a.ssuming Nash would come for merely $5 million, which, according to people I have spoken with, is way below his perceieved value even at 38 years old).

How could they possibly do this? By getting Lin to make a sacrifice for one season.

This is an extremely unlikely scenario, but hear me out.

Lin could conceivably accept his qualifying offer of $1,029,389 for one season, which will keep him on the roster for one more season. That allows the Knicks to get his "Early Bird" rights next year, which, again allow them to re-sign him in 2013 for a multi-year deal up to the league average regardless of their cap situation.

Now, while this scenario works best for the Knicks, who could then make a determined play for Nash, who, in my opinion, would be like the trade for Dave DeBusschere in 1968 as the final piece to a championship-caliber puzzle in New York, it is hardly an ideal move for Lin.

Sure, everyone wants to do what's best for the team, but if you were his agent, would you think this is a good idea? That kind of move would be a major risk for Lin, who could see his market value plummet as a reserve behind Nash. What Lin and his representation what to promote is the idea that Linsanity wasn't a novelty this season and that Lin is this team's answer at the point guard position.

Still, with just 35 games to go on, it makes it a very precarious decision with many what-ifs to haunt Grunwald and his staff into July: 1. What if Lin signs elsewhere and emerges into an all-star? 2. What if Lin struggles as defenses exploit his weaknesses?

Now the Knicks don't have to use their entire MLE on Lin. They can use some of it -- say $3 million -- and use the remaining $2 million to take care of other business, such as a backup center or a veteran point guard not named Nash (would Jason Kidd come at Chandler's request?).

Still, there's no denying Lin is the first domino of the offseason for the Knicks once we get to July 1.

RESTRUCTURE CONJECTURE

So many of you have asked about the possibility of the team's highest-paid players, Melo ($20.4 million in 2012-13) and Amar'e ($19.9 million) restructuring their respective contracts to open up some salary cap space so the Knicks can go after another free agent.

The fact is the new collective bargaining agreement does include a restructuring provision. But the rule is written in such a way that neither the players, nor the team, are eligible to do it.

It's really an inane provision in the agreement when you consider the restrictions. For starters, a team has to already be under the salary cap for restructuring to be permitted. And after that, the player has to be three years into his current contract.

You can thank both the NBA and the players union for this. The union did not want a rule that would create public pressure for a player to restructure to help a team that has made poor contract decisions and needed help. The NBA did not want to see players get monster contracts only to immediately restructure to create room for more monster contracts.

So forget restructuring as a means to alleviate cap issues for the Knicks or open up room to make a play for another free agent. The Miami Heat's Big Three had it right when they each agreed to take less than the maximum in order to fit each other and still field a decent team around them. Even then, that roster is extremely shallow, so it puts even more emphasis on good drafting and waiver pick ups.

Hey, isn't that where Jeremy Lin comes in?

THE REST OF THE ROSTER

So with no first round pick (the Rockets get the Knicks' pick at No. 16), no money left to buy a pick (cash considerations were used in the Chandler trade) and a long wait to No. 48 in the second round, how else can the Knicks improve the roster?

By trades, of course.

• Consider Toney Douglas ($2 million) as an expiring contract, but a young player in need of a second chance somewhere. Package that with Jerome Jordan's non-guaranteed salary ($760,000) for next season and you can attempt to acquire a $3 million player from a team looking to save some money.

• Landry Fields is a restricted free agent ($1.03 million qualifying offer) who could garner some interest if you want to sweeten the pot for a higher-end player, but while Shumpert seems to have moved ahead of him on the shooting guard depth chart, the sense is the organization still believes in Fields. But that also depends on how much Mike Woodson, should he return as head coach, believes in Fields. Also, if you can find a veteran scorer who can fill that shooting guard role, it may make more sense to upgrade the offense.

• J.R. Smith is expected to opt-out and become an unrestricted free agent this summer, which comes as no surprise. The second year was added only as insurance at Smith's request. The Knicks have very few tools to re-sign Smith and, considering Lin's situation with the MLE, I don't expect him to be a priority.

• Steve Novak is an unrestricted free agent and the Knicks do not have his Bird Rights. Novak's value on the open market will decide whether or not he can return, but the Knicks could either use some leftover from the MLE or the BAE ($1.9 million) to keep Novak if he really wants to stay.

• Mike Bibby and Jared Jeffries are both wild cards here. Woodson has a great deal of confidence in Bibby, who performed well as a starter in Game 5 against Miami but throughout the season seemed to break down a lot. As a third string point guard and veteran in the locker room, he's fine to keep for the veteran's minimum.

• Jeffries, who will undergo surgery to repair a balky knee that severely limited him late in the season and in the playoffs, may not be so easy to re-sign with a veteran's minimum. The defensive specialist opened some eyes this season with his play off the bench and may attract better offers elsewhere. You can be certain if Mike D'Antoni returns to the NBA next season (Clippers?), Jeffries will likely wind up wherever D'Antoni lands.

KEEP AN EYE ON…

• Expect to see Josh Harrellson in Las Vegas for the Knicks at the NBA Summer League along with Jordan. One of the understated disappointments of Shumpert's knee injury is he will once again miss the chance to play in the summer league, which is a great opportunity for young players to work on their game, work with team coaches and prepare for the coming season. Shumpert missed out on the summer league last year because of the lockout.

• Chandler and Anthony will be in camp in July with USA Basketball and it is possible both players will be starters for Coach K's team when the Olympic Games open in London. While that's great for them -- and for the U.S. -- it sets up some concerns about either coming to training camp in October with an injury or needing rest. But perhaps it's the best thing for Melo, who has been maligned for his conditioning in the past. Two months of workouts with the best players in the world may be exactly what he needs going into what could be a pivotal season in his Knicks career.

• As the predraft process begins, a name to monitor (as many of you, I know, already are) is Scott Machado, who was coach Tim Cluess' outstanding point guard at Iona College and is a New York City product (though he played his high school ball at Newark's St. Benedict's Prep). Machado isn't big, but plays with great speed and has impressive floor vision, which are two needs the Knicks have in their backcourt. Most draft boards right now project him to be a mid-second rounder, but that could change with strong predraft workouts.

Another busy offseason awaits with some critical decisions to be made.
 5 years ago '04        #8660
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Sam Amick

Know this about the Knicks' 2011-12 season, which ended with their loss to Miami in Game 5 on Wednesday: They gave us plenty to talk about.

In lieu of the organization's third championship (that's 39 consecutive years and counting without one, for the record), the entertainment value was at an all-time high even if it included some unwelcome lows. A team may never have sparked this many storylines in one season -- let alone one shortened by the lockout.

There was Tyson Chandler's arrival and Chauncey Billups' departure. An 8-15 start. Jeremy Lin saving the day (10 wins in the next 13 games) and Linsanity spreading the globe. Carmelo Anthony as villain, then as beloved son. The power forward formerly known as Amar'e Stoudemire. Coach Mike D'Antoni taking his seven-seconds-or-less ball and going home. Mike Woodson's strong finish.

But now that it's all over, it's time to discuss the most pressing questions facing the Knicks as they head into the offseason.

• Who is going to coach this team?

Woodson looks to have the inside track on keeping the job long term. Woodson denied a report in Monday's New York Daily News that he had begun extension talks with the Knicks, but a source close to the situation told SI.com that the coach has, in fact, been telling people that he has had preliminary discussions with team officials about his return. Though no one ever knows how things can change when it comes to owner James Dolan and his Garden, the signs are strong that the Knicks will retain Woodson rather than chase the likes of Phil Jackson or Kentucky coach John Calipari.

Woodson has no shortage of supporters within the organization, and his standing appears solid despite the Knicks' poor showing in the first round of the playoffs. After D'Antoni resigned on March 14, the Knicks went 18-6 under Woodson. His successful use of Anthony while Stoudemire was sidelined with back problems is helping his cause, as is his season-long impact on the team's defense. New York improved dramatically on defense after Woodson was hired as an a.ssistant last offseason to help on that end of the floor, with Defensive Player of the Year Chandler leading a unit that ranked fifth in points allowed per possession.

The season-ending injuries to guards Lin, Iman Shumpert and Baron Davis have provided built-in excuses for why the Knicks weren't more competitive against the Heat. The question now is whether Woodson is the right coach to take this group to the next level. He has sparked steady progress before, from 2004-10 in Atlanta, where the Hawks improved every year, winning 13 games in his first season and 53 in his sixth and last. Woodson lost in the first round once and the second round twice with the Hawks, for whom he went 206-286.

• Will they re-sign Lin?

Before we even get into Lin's basketball impact, there's the business aspect of his presence. Just 11 days after he received his first start and turned the Knicks' season around with his phenomenal play, a Forbes.com headline read "Jeremy Lin: A One-Man, Global Economic Stimulus Package."

His cultural appeal will be there no matter which fan base he's playing for, but the folks in the MSG offices are well aware that he's a keeper for their market. After all, it was no coincidence that their television-rights dispute with Time Warner was resolved in the middle of Lin's memorable run. People wanted to see the second-year player in action, and a deal simply had to be struck.

As for the basketball minds in the building? Sources said they want Lin back, too. He's still seen as the possible solution to this whole mess, a steadying force who can help all the pieces fall into place once this group gets more time to play together.

The Knicks are positioned to keep the restricted free agent because they can use their mid-level exception of about $5 million to match any offer for him and because the so-called Gilbert Arenas rule limits rival teams from offering more than that amount in first-year salary for players with fewer than three years of experience like Lin. But unless the Knicks can persuade Lin to come back for a cheaper price, there could be a ripple effect on the rest of the roster.

• What's the ripple effect?

The possibility that the Knicks could lose key members of their rotation.

First candidate to escape? Restricted free agent Landry Fields, a second-round steal in the 2010 draft. The 23-year-old guard is still considered a big part of the team's plans despite his decline this season. But after speaking with interested parties and CBA expert Larry ****, it seems clear that Fields could be a goner.

If the Knicks use the non-taxpayer mid-level exception on Lin, they wouldn't be allowed to go over what's called the "apron," or $4 million above the luxury-tax threshold, which is an estimated $74 million in payroll. A mid-level deal for Lin would bring New York's 2012-13 payroll to more than $62 million for only six players (one of whom, forward Renaldo Balkman, is no longer with the team but is owed $1.675 million next season). Even if a seventh player, shooting guard J.R. Smith, opts out of his $2.5 million contract for next season, as has been widely expected, the Knicks would still be left with little money to spend on Fields and the rest of the team before hitting $74 million.

So even though the Arenas rule and matching rights come into play with Fields like they do with Lin, Fields would be exposed in this scenario because the Knicks couldn't exceed $74 million under any circumstances. And if another team targets Fields in free agency (perhaps with a deal of his own for around $5 million annually), the Knicks would have a tough decision to make about whether to match.

Another challenge will be re-signing unrestricted free agent Steve Novak, the 28-year-old forward who averaged a career-high 8.8 points and led the NBA in three-point shooting at 47.2 percent. Novak will be looking for a raise from his veteran's minimum of $854,389 this season.

As for Smith, who averaged 12.5 points on 40.7 percent shooting as a midseason signing after a stint in China, one source close to the situation said it's far too soon to a.ssume he won't be back. Though that would seem unlikely based on the value of a 26-year-old scorer on the free-agent market, his comfort level in New York coupled with some other teams' concerns related to his history of clashing with coaches in New Orleans (Byron Scott) and Denver (George Karl) and exhibiting questionable judgment on and off the court could favor a return to the Knicks.

Smith has a good relationship with Woodson so far. Woodson has shown a willingness to challenge him, most notably when the coach told him in mid-April to be more professional and said he wanted "his shorts pulled up." But Woodson has also "put his arm around him," one source said. If Woodson is retained, the source said, then that would be a factor in Smith's decision.

• With Anthony taking over as the franchise centerpiece, is it time for Stoudemire to go?

It depends on where we're sending him. Should he go to the Knicks' practice facility in Greenburgh, N.Y., where he'll then spend most of his offseason figuring out how to fit in? Yes. Will he be going to another team? Don't count on it.

Stoudemire, 29, has three years and $65 million left on his contract that -- here's the important part for a player with a long injury history -- is not insured. And now that the 10-year veteran is looking nothing like the Knicks' savior we saw in 2010-11, the chances that any team would take him are beyond remote. His scoring plummeted from 25.3 points last season to 17.3 this season (he attempted about five fewer shots per game with Anthony in tow for a full season).

The six-time All-Star had microfracture surgery on his left knee in 2005 and an arthroscopic surgery on the right knee in both 2006 and 2007. Add in the serious eye injuries suffered in 2008 and 2009, and the back problems that caused him to miss 13 games this season, and there's a serious buyer-be-beware component to his situation.

"I can't think of anyone who has less trade value," a Western Conference executive said.

The Knicks no longer have the option of waiving Stoudemire and removing him from their payroll, either, because the team already used the one-time amnesty clause on Billups before the season during its pursuit of Chandler in free agency.

"If you are going to trade him, more than likely you're going to take something worse back," said TNT analyst Steve Kerr, who was the Suns' general manager for part of Stoudemire's tenure in Phoenix. "But because of the new [CBA] rules, with the shorter contracts, it's almost impossible to take back a worse contract. I don't know if there are any out there."

In other words, don't expect a Gilbert Arenas-for-Rashard Lewis type deal for Stoudemire. Before those players were swapped in a December 2010 trade between the Wizards and Magic, their contracts were widely seen as "untradable." But even though both players were earning exorbitant annual salaries of more than $20 million, Arenas' deal lasted a year longer than Lewis' and the Wizards saw a chance for savings. The CBA rules change to which Kerr referred is the fact that contract lengths are, in essence, a year shorter under the current agreement compared to the previous one.

• So does someone else go?

The internal sentiment, according to one source close to the situation, is that this group can get it done with Anthony, Stoudemire and Chandler as the core and that there's a "three-year window" to make a strong title push with them. But Kerr said any team that struggled to win even one game in the first round of the playoffs should consider all options.

"I think you have to look into trading anybody on the team," Kerr said.

Anthony has three years and $67.2 million remaining on his contract, and Kerr said he "has a ton of value" as an elite scorer in his prime. Chandler, one executive surmised, could be used in a possible deal with Orlando if the Magic wind up trading center Dwight Howard this summer. Before Howard stunningly exercised his player option in March to return to Orlando for one more season, the Knicks were among the many teams looking into landing the six-time All-Star and three-time Defensive Player of the Year. Chandler is owed $42.3 million over the next three seasons, and he could be packaged with some of the Knicks' younger players (Shumpert, to name one) to make an enticing pitch.

The Knicks also were among the teams that asked New Orleans about point guard Chris Paul before he was traded to the Clippers in December, according to sources. But even as the Knicks have done their due diligence in inquiring about stars who may be available, it remains unlikely that any of their core players will be dealt.

• Can Anthony and Stoudemire play together (with Lin)?

The small sample size of regular-season numbers say "no." But the Knicks' front office and ownership are far more focused on making it work than they are on considering any major changes, according to sources close to the situation.

First, the data: While the Knicks were 16-10 with Lin running the point in the regular season (including one game in which he played 36 minutes off the bench), they were just 8-9 when Anthony, Stoudemire and Lin all played together. The Knicks were 14-5 overall without Stoudemire, and Anthony played his best basketball during those times.

In the 13 games played under Woodson in which Stoudemire was out, Anthony led the Knicks to nine wins while averaging 30.6 points and 21.9 shots and shooting 50.5 percent. But Anthony wasn't nearly as prolific when he had to share the floor (and the touches) with Stoudemire. In the 10 games in which they played together under Woodson, Anthony averaged just 16.6 points and 15.5 shots while hitting 40.6 percent, and Stoudemire averaged 16.5 points and 10.9 shots while making 56.8 percent. Game 4 against Miami was one of the aberrations, as Anthony scored 41 points (on 15-of-29 shooting) while Stoudemire -- who returned with a heavily padded right hand after missing Game 3 because of his run-in with the infamous fire extinguisher -- had 20 points (8-of-13 shooting) and 10 rebounds.

Now, on to the possible problem: Anthony's need to play Stoudemire's position. Not only did Anthony get to be his ball-dominant self without Stoudemire, but Stoudemire's absence also allowed Anthony to create nightly mismatches by playing power forward instead of small forward. The solution, Kerr and others have said, would be to bring Stoudemire off the bench while Anthony starts at power forward and Chandler at center.

"You figure that if you've got him for three years and you're worried about his knees, then maybe you turn him into your sixth man and play him 25 minutes a night," Kerr said of Stoudemire. "You can get him, say, 12-15 minutes a night where he's without Carmelo on the floor, and you can run your offense through him. And then you play them another 10 minutes together, but maybe you do those 10 where Chandler is off the floor and Amar'e is the 'five' [center] and Melo is the 'four' [power forward]. I just think you've got to try to mix and match your lineup to get the most out of him, because the chances of trading him are so slim."
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