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 9 years ago '04        #7126
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D'Antoni benched Duhon for second half. Hints to starting Nate next game.

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Mike D'Antoni kept Chris Duhon on the bench for the entire second half of the Knicks' home game versus the Wizards Wednesday night.

Nate Robinson started in Duhon's place and propelled the Knicks to a 107-85 victory. Robinson led the team with 23 points and added 8 a.ssists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals with only 2 turnovers.

After the game, D'Antoni indicated that Robinson could start the next game, which could mean that Duhon has played his way out of the rotation.

Larry Hughes, who had been complaining publicly about his lack of playing time, saw action and had 11 points.

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alanhahn

D'Antoni benched Duhon for second half. Hints to starting Nate next game.
Yea its time for nate to start tonight proved it

 9 years ago '06        #7129
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D'Antoni benched Duhon for second half. Hints to starting Nate next game.

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 9 years ago '04        #7131
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Been a while since I referenced lyrics, Fixers, but this is fitting. Not quite my typical genre, but fitting:

Jesus, take the wheel,

take if from my hands

'Cause I can't do this on my own

I'm letting go, so give me one more chance

to save me from this road I'm on . . .

Mike D'Antoni's stubborn loyalty to the highly ineffective Chris Duhon came with good reason. Duhon running the offense meant D'Antoni still had some control of it.

But what good is control of the offense when you don't have any control of the season?

It may have been a long time coming, perhaps even long overdue, but D'Antoni appears to be ready to give Duhon a turn on the bench. At halftime Wednesday night he opted to start Robinson to inject some desperately-needed energy into a flatline game and it worked in what turned into a 107-85 win over the Wizards.

Robinson had 14 of his 23 points in the second half and added a season-high eight a.ssists. But while D'Antoni admitted after the game that Robinson could supplant the slumpingDuhon in the starting lineup, let's not mistakenly refer to Nate as the "point guard."

What D'Antoni really went with in that second half was a lineup without a point guard. Or one that handled the role by committee.

Robinson certainly did bring the ball up and ran a few plays, but really his role was to be primarily a scorer, which is his strength. What the Knicks can do is relieve some of the responsibilities of being a "floor general" (read: getting others involved) by having other players -- Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries and David Lee -- handle the offense to allow Robinson to focus on scoring and getting up the floor for some quick baskets.

[One notable statistic from the game was that the Knicks finished with 88 field goal attempts while Washington had just 77. That's a huge disparity, when you consider both teams were very close in free throws (The Knicks had 8, Wizards 7) and turnovers (Washington had 14, Knicks 10). But the Knicks had 12 fast-break points and 15 second-chance points. They had 14 offensive rebounds compared to only four -- four! -- by Washington, which had 24 in Saturday's game in D.C.]

The eight man rotation seems to now include Robinson, Hughes, Jeffries, Lee, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Al Harrington and if not Duhon than rookie Toney Douglas, whom D'Antoni said he planned to give another look. Remember in training camp when D'Antoni toyed with the idea of playing Robinson and Douglas together as a tandem, to wreak havoc as a full-court pressing backcourt that can also zip down the court and score?

Anyway, before we get too ahead of ourselves, let's acknowledge that for 24 minutes against a very weak defensive team in the Wizards everything seemed to work nicely. We've seen this before, of course, so you can understand D'Antoni, though relieved to get a win after three straight L's (and two alarmingly lackluster performances over the weekend), sounded extremely hesitant as he talked about his latest smoke-and-mirrors tactic.

"I've been on that limb a few times," he said, "and it was sawed off."

Hughes was certainly pleased to finally get minutes again and seemed to do so at the expense of a big: rookie Jordan Hill (DNP-CD). Hughes played 18 minutes and scored 11 points and looked effective on defense like he did in December. After a month of complaining and days after he said he was looking forward to Feb. 18 (the trade deadline), Hughes seemed satisfied again. And he explained his frustration a lot better this time around.

"The reality is I get paid a lot of money [$13.6M] and I want to earn it," he said. "I want to be ran until my tongue's hanging out. That's how I am. When I don't get the chance to play, it just frustrates me."

D'Antoni promoted the notion that he doesn't pay attention to the media-driven controversies, such as Hughes widely-reported dissatisfaction with not playing and direct and public criticism of the coach.

"I don't hear the chatter, I don't listen to the chatter, I don't really care about the chatter," D'Antoni said. "I understand the frustrations, but I'm just trying to put the best guys on the floor. I'm not going to get it right all the time, because I don't have a crystal ball. But the intent is to see how good we can play. [Hughes] was working, he practiced. I thought he had a good practice yesterday. I thought we needed something, obviously. You keep losing, you got to change something up."

There are 36 games left in the season, with three to go before the all-star break. The Knicks (19-29) still need somewhat of a miracle -- or misfortune for Miami, Chicago or Charlotte -- to get a playoff berth. But D'Antoni seems to have come to the conclusion that there is nothing more to lose, other than his team. So with seven expiring contracts all with personal agendas (admittedly or not), he seems to be ready to let go of the wheel and hope that those agendas can somehow work congruently.

Really, with the Knicks expected to do very little, if anything at all, by the trade deadline, what other option does D'Antoni have at this point?

Meanwhile, Duhon took the benching -- and the potential demotion from the starting lineup, with a twinge more professionalism than some of his other teammates throughout the season.

"Whether you're starting is not the biggest thing in the world," Duhon said. "It's all about wins."

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* - We heard tonight that Danilo Gallinari was officially asked by the NBA to participate in the Foot Locker Three-Point Shootout. Gallo accepted and will compete on Feb. 13 in Dallas, though the NBA has yet to release the contenstants. Gallinari will be the sixth Knick to participate in the shoot-out and the first since Quentin Richardson in 2006. No Knick has ever won the event. The highest finishes were Trent Tucker (1986) and Charlie Ward (1998), who both finished fourth. Gallo hit four treys against the Wizards to raise his league-leading total to 126 three-point field goals made.

 9 years ago '04        #7132
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Two teams have reportedly inquired about Bobcats reserve guard Acie Law, according to a source close to the situation that spoke with Tommy Dee of TheKnicksBlog.

“One of them is definitely New York,” and the other team is “an Eastern Conference team as well,” says the source.

The source also believes that “it’s pretty clear” Law will be on the move.



been reading all day about Jefferies for Augustin but needing more pieces to make the deal work out....if Augustin does in fact come to NY, guess my predictions comes true from Draft Night of that year, we get 2 ppl from that draft....remember Drunk lmfao

 9 years ago '06        #7133
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 Born_Loser said
Two teams have reportedly inquired about Bobcats reserve guard Acie Law, according to a source close to the situation that spoke with Tommy Dee of TheKnicksBlog.

“One of them is definitely New York,” and the other team is “an Eastern Conference team as well,” says the source.

The source also believes that “it’s pretty clear” Law will be on the move.



been reading all day about Jefferies for Augustin but needing more pieces to make the deal work out....if Augustin does in fact come to NY, guess my predictions comes true from Draft Night of that year, we get 2 ppl from that draft....remember Drunk lmfao
Too bad there's no way we can get our hands on...."Baaaaa TooooMB"

 9 years ago '04        #7134
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Too bad there's no way we can get our hands on...."Baaaaa TooooMB"
never know.....dont see how the Knicks can pull this off without adding another team to the mix

 9 years ago '04        #7135
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yeah, the more i read it's seem very possible Augustin is coming to NY for Jefferies in some package deal

Brown is fiending for a veteran big man which is ironic since Jordan wanted Lopez but got Augustin cause that's who Brown wanted

 9 years ago '06        #7136
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yeah, the more i read it's seem very possible Augustin is coming to NY for Jefferies in some package deal

Brown is fiending for a veteran big man which is ironic since Jordan wanted Lopez but got Augustin cause that's who Brown wanted
And we all know how Brown has no problem getting fleeced in deals for "his" guys. Jeffries definitely fits that mold. We need to work a 3rd team in this deal though, money doesn't work otherwise.

 02-05-2010, 07:47 AM         #7137
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 9 years ago '04        #7138
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The Knicks are expected to start Nate Robinson at point guard on Friday night against the Bucks.

"It looks like Nate probably will start as the point guard," coach Mike D'Antoni said after practice Thursday.

"We'll go with the way we finished up the game [Wednesday night], which I thought was good, good energy and then we'll see what the rotation will look like, but that seems to be the plan right now."

Robinson has been in and out of D'Antoni's rotation this season.

"I've just gotta be ready," the guard said. "Just continue to play my game. The basic thing of basketball is to make teammates better. That's something I'm trying to do.”"

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 DRuNk 24/7 said
And we all know how Brown has no problem getting fleeced in deals for "his" guys. Jeffries definitely fits that mold. We need to work a 3rd team in this deal though, money doesn't work otherwise.
personally want Blazers but they'd be asking for too much for my dudes BA-TOMB and Rudy.....maybe Memphis

 9 years ago '04        #7140
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With the trade deadline approaching, the New York Knicks may once again make a move to clear up cap space for the now infamous 2010 off-season. Jared Jeffries, who is making $6.47M this season and $6.88M next season, was deemed virtually unmovable at the beginning of the season. New York, however, is in position to grab the last playoff spot in the Eastern Conference and the defensive prowess of Jeffries has played a large role in helping the Knicks get to where they are now.

Think back to who the New York Knicks were last year. Granted, they still aren’t anybody’s version of the 2004 Detroit Pistons, but they can actually D up every now and then. They rank 20th in defensive rating at 108.7 points allowed per 100 possessions, a subtle improvement from their 23rd ranked 110.8 points allowed per 100 possessions of 08-09.

Who do you put on Chris Paul? Dirk Nowitzki? The Knicks can actually put Jeffries on Paul one night and Nowitzki the next. He’s a versatile defensive specialist that can guard point guards, wings of various sizes and power forwards; there’s legitimate value in that for a championship contender looking to strengthen their bench. If you’re the Lakers in the playoffs and you’re worried Derek Fisher can’t stay in front of Steve Nash all night, have Jeffries pester him. His box score is far from s3xy, but if you’ve had the chance to watch him annoy opponents you know his importance.

Jeffries doesn’t have the shooting abilities of Shane Battier, but his influence defensively is similar. The Knicks give up nearly eight fewer points per 100 possessions when Jeffries is on the floor than when he is sitting.

Now, there’s even a growing sentiment that Jeffries is too valuable for New York to trade away for additional long-coveted cap space. Sticking to the original script for Donnie Walsh, however, let’s take a look at possible trade partners.

The criteria here is simple: New York will be looking for an expiring contract, while the trade partner must be involved in the playoff race. Out of the 19 possible teams, 11 were automatically disqualified based on needs, lack of matching salaries or their own need for cap space next season.

Utah Jazz: Kyle Korver ($5.16M)

Korver has seemed to have lost playing time since his return from a knee injury recently. Mike D’Antoni’s Knicks could also use another 3-point shooter in their ranks. The Knicks take a huge hit defensively of course, and while the Jazz may not love the idea of taking on additional salary next season, the trade has the potential to give them a better pick in this year’s draft as they own New York’s selection. It’s a potential win/win situation for the Jazz.

Los Angeles Lakers: Adam Morrison ($5.26M)

Morrison serves mostly as a pawn in this trade. He rarely sees the court with the Lakers and I can’t see the Knicks working him into their rotation either, but it serves its main purpose and that’s getting Jeffries out of New York. I don’t think you’ll find many LA fans complaining about Jeffries coming off the bench instead of Luke Walton either, especially if he’s the B team defender for someone like Dirk Nowitzki.

Milwaukee Bucks: Luke Ridnour ($6.5M)

A straight-up deal is more of a pipedream than anything else for the Knicks front office. While Brandon Jennings has the starting PG spot locked up for years, don’t expect the Bucks to get rid of their only depth at the position. Ridnour could be the Knicks answer for a legit ball distributor either off the bench or even replacing Chris Duhon as the starter, but I don’t see it happening unless New York added in Nate Robinson. Robinson and Jeffries for Ridnour and Kurt Thomas happens to work financially and would be a good fit for both teams. Robinson, however, would have to approve any deal he’s involved in first.

Ridnour has had an excellent season, perhaps the best of his entire career.

Memphis Grizzles: Steven Hunter ($3.67M)

With just over three million in cap space, the Grizzles have more flexibility than any other team in the league. Memphis is currently a half game out of the 8th playoff spot in the Western Conference. If they think adding Jeffries could help their chances to get in for the first time since the 2005-06 season, then giving up that flexibility may be an option for them. Hunter has been little use to the Grizzles, but D’Antoni could use a shot blocker so perhaps he will find playing time behind David Lee.

San Antonio Spurs: Michael Finley & Matt Bonner ($5.76M)

Bonner is coming back from an injury to his shooting hand and has been struggling as of late, but he was a valuable member of the San Antonio rotation earlier this season. Finley has had more than his fair share of injury problems as well. Jeffries would fit along nicely when the Spurs reserves come in and could spell anyone from Richard Jefferson to Tim Duncan. Bonner, a 3-point threat, would find time in D’Antoni’s system while Finley could be a veteran presence in the Knicks locker room.

Consider everything from here on out a creative stretch to be filed in the unlikely column.

Houston Rockets: Brian Cook & Chuck Hayes ($5,647,750)

Cook is a salary throw in, so we’ll strictly be looking at Hayes and Jeffries. Their games are actually fairly similar and while Jeffries gives you more options on the defensive end, Hayes is a better rebounder. With that said, this is pretty much a wash talent-wise and the Rockets would be foolish to take on the additional salary and years even if one could make the argument that it is a slight upgrade.

Toronto Raptors: Amir Johnson ($3.94M) and Antoine Wright or Rasho Nesterovic

This deal is possible, but more than unlikely. The Raptors are not looking to do the Knicks any favors going into the offseason as they are looking to retain Chris Bosh. Unless they deem that task impossible by the trade deadline, I don’t see them dedicating any more additional dollars to next year now.


not sure how i missed this one, from Jan 25th

 9 years ago '04        #7141
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3-Point Contest Contestants

Paul Pierce (really?)
Chauncey Billups
Channing Frye
Daequan Cook (reigning champ)
Stephen Curry
and the Co-Founder of the S.M.G. Movement, Danilo Gallinari

 02-06-2010, 06:32 PM         #7142
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Someone gif that Gallo posting and turn around J on some mop, 2nd quarter with less than 2minute.

 9 years ago '04        #7143
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New York Knicks

Status: Buyer, sort of
Team Weaknesses: Rebounding, interior defense, foul-drawing
Projected 2010 cap room: $26 million
Untouchables: Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler
Potentially on the block: Jared Jeffries ($6.5 million, one more year), no, I'm not counting Eddy Curry
Expiring Contracts: Larry Hughes ($13.7 million), Al Harrington ($10 million), Cuttino Mobley ($9.5 million, with insurance), Darko Miicic ($7.5 million), David Lee* ($7 million), Chris Duhon ($6 million), Nate Robinson* ($4 million)
Prospects: Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas
Good trade partners: Boston, Chicago, Denver, Houston, LA Clippers, Memphis, Miami, New Jersey, Phoenix, Utah
Possible targets: Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, Tyrus Thomas, Marcus Camby, Jermaine O'Neal, Amare Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer

The Knicks have a problem. Under normal circumstances, they'd be a seller, because their focus is the future. The goal would be to shed long-term contracts to get even more salary-cap space and position themselves better in the draft lottery. However, because of Isiah Thomas' stupidity, the Knicks don't have a first-round pick this year, which means they have no incentive to tank focus on the future. At the same time, they need to preserve cap space, and they currently only have enough space for one max free agent.

That means they'll look for an upgrade on an expiring contract to help with the "playoff push," all while trying to find a taker for Jared Jeffries (and, if we're honest, Eddy Curry, though that'd require spiking some GM's drink on the eve of the deadline). This is exactly what they did last year, and they ended up with Chris Wilcox and Larry Hughes, so that should tell you how effective their quest will be this year. They were rumored to be close to a Al Harrington/Tyrus Thomas swap with the Bulls a while back, and those talks could rekindle. Otherwise, they could trade for one of those giant expiring contracts like Tracy McGrady in one of those pointless trades designed to make fans happy. Yippee!


 9 years ago '04        #7144
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Mike D'Antoni said Monday that he will re-insert Chris Duhon into the starting lineup.

After Duhon's lackluster play, D'Antoni named Nate Robinson the team's starting point guard.

In his two-game stint as a starter, Robinson racked up 13 a.ssists against only one turnover. But the Knicks were 0-2 with losses at home versus the Bucks and on the road against the Cavs.

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CLEVELAND - Even LeBron James has noticed a trend with the Knicks that has forced Mike D'Antoni to play master mixologist.

"It was two different teams," James said of the Knicks' second-half comeback from a 24-point deficit in a 113-106 loss to the Cavaliers on Saturday night.

Perhaps D'Antoni eventually will get to the point that he tells his players to just play street ball - call your own fouls, even - because it seems they're better at just playing without thinking. It's the most curious thing about this team: The Knicks seem to get more confident as they are getting blown out.

"Once they see one or two of them go in, they start to believe that they're all going to go in without really thinking," James said. "Some of the same shots they missed in the first half they made in the second half."

D'Antoni has said this about Nate Robinson, who scored 23 of his 26 points in that second half, when the Knicks shot 57.1 percent from the field. Before the game, he said that in Friday's loss to the Bucks, Robinson "was thinking too much. He just needs to be aggressive and attack and go."

The 5-9 guard, whom D'Antoni moved into the starting role ahead of Chris Duhon in the last two games, appeared far more comfortable about doing that with Duhon out there as the point guard. And D'Antoni, who never really has committed to going with Robinson as his lead guard, made note of it after the game.

"I think that's our best way to go," he said of the Duhon-Robinson backcourt tandem.

The two played the entire fourth quarter together. Robinson scored nine points and Duhon had four a.ssists, shooting 1-for-3 from the field. He missed a critical three-pointer that could have tied the score at 107 with 3:11 left in the game.

Although his shooting issues are part of the package, Duhon's impact as the only guard on the team who can handle the offense is likely to get him back into the starting lineup soon. Perhaps as soon as Tuesday's game against the Kings, which is the Knicks' last game before the All-Star break.

D'Antoni said he "wouldn't be opposed" to going with Duhon and Robinson together. For most of the season, he has used 6-8 Wilson Chandler, who is not much of a ballhandler or passer, in the shooting guard role. Chandler scored six points against the Cavs and tried to guard James for most of his 35-point explosion in the first half. D'Antoni benched Chandler, David Lee and Danilo Gallinari for the entire fourth quarter.

Notes & quotes: The Knicks will hold practice a little later Monday to allow the staff to attend the morning funeral service for d*ck McGuire at St. Elizabeth Church in Melville.

 9 years ago '04        #7146
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Nets trying to rid Simmons' 11 mill contract....just saying

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 Born_Loser said
Mike D'Antoni said Monday that he will re-insert Chris Duhon into the starting lineup.

After Duhon's lackluster play, D'Antoni named Nate Robinson the team's starting point guard.

In his two-game stint as a starter, Robinson racked up 13 a.ssists against only one turnover. But the Knicks were 0-2 with losses at home versus the Bucks and on the road against the Cavs.
un-f**king-believable. in 2 starts nate posts 13 a.ssists/1 TO, leads a 4th qtr comeback vs Cleveland, only to get sent back to the bench for Captain Boohon? give me a f**king break already

How many 0fers and s**tty games does duhon need to have before our coach realizes hes USELESS. this s**t is sickening.

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Nate Robinson was removed from the Knicks starting lineup for Tuesday's game against the Kings. Will he remove himself from the Slam Dunk contest this weekend in Dallas?

The 5-9 guard, who could become the NBA’s first three-time dunk champion, sat out Monday’s practice with a strained left groin, which had been nagging him in recent weeks. Mike D’Antoni said Robinson is expected to be available for Tuesday's game, which is the last for the Knicks before the all-star break and would not tell him not to compete in the dunk contest on All-Star Saturday.

“That’s him,” D’Antoni said. “He has to tell me how he feels. If it bothers him, the best thing to do is to rest. But if he’s OK to compete, it’s a fun weekend, the NBA has asked him to do it, he’s the defending [champion], so I can understand why he wants to. But he has to know his body and know what’s best for him.”

One of Robinson’s closest friends, Nets rookie Terrence Williams, wrote on his Twitter account on Sunday that he expected to find out yesterday “if I’m in the dunk contest.” Robinson has promoted Williams as a terrific dunker who deserved to be in the contest.

One possibility is that Williams could be a substitute for an injured contestant, such as Charlotte’s Gerald Wallace, who will also be in Sunday’s all-star game. Wallace is dealing with with a hamstring injury that caused him to miss a game last week.

Robinson accepted the league's invitation to come back for a fourth appearance in the dunk contest, but sounded like the thrill is gone.

"If I don't win it, it would be good because I don't want to go back anymore," he said on Jan. 18.

I have heard that Robinson planned to involve Williams in his dunk plans. But if the groin is enough of an issue, Robinson may have good reason to tell the NBA he can't make it to Dallas and, instead, give his Seattle buddy T-Will an opportunity to show his stuff.

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There are conflicting views on how available Marcus Camby actually is depending on the source.

The Clippers are believed to be looking for a player that can help them in 10-11, or cap space to sign a maximum contract free agent this summer.

Denver and New York, two of Camby's previous teams, are both interested in dealing for him.

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GREENBURGH, N.Y. - After only two games, Mike D'Antoni didn't like what he saw out of the Nate Robinson Experiment.

"With 19 wins," he said, "I don't like anything right now."

But he does like Chris Duhon running the point a lot more than Robinson in that role. So Tuesday night against the Sacramento Kings, the Knicks' last game before the All-Star break, Duhon will be back in the starting lineup and Robinson will return to the bench as a reserve.

"We function better when Chris is running the team," D'Antoni said Monday after practice at the MSG Training Center. "Obviously, he hasn't played well, but that's the way we're the best."

Robinson had 26 points and was a big part of a comeback from a 24-point deficit in Saturday's loss in Cleveland. But he scored 23 of his points in the second half, most of which he spent as a shooting guard with Duhon running the point.

In Friday's loss to the Bucks, which was Robinson's first start, D'Antoni could see that the 5-9 guard struggled with the responsibilities of being in charge of the offense and getting others involved.

"He's just better as an off guard than he is at point guard," D'Antoni said of Robinson, who did not practice because of a groin strain but should be available Tuesday night. "I think he understands that and I think the team functions better with a true point."

D'Antoni also included a telling remark among his reasons for giving the ball back to Duhon.

"Sometimes a point guard has to make Gallo aggressive," he said in reference to the team's best shooter, Danilo Gallinari, who is averaging eight shots in his last three games after being in double figures in the previous 10. Gallinari has been guilty of being passive and often has gotten lost in the offense, which is the fault of the point guard.

Duhon has a firm grasp of the offense and has the ability to involve other players, but he has hurt the Knicks with his 35.2-percent shooting and his hesitancy to drive to the basket. He admitted Monday that in the final year of his contract, he entered the season putting pressure on himself to perform well. After he got off to a bad start, he paid too much attention to things being said by the fans and the media.

"At some point," he said, "you've got to look in the mirror."

In the meantime, the Knicks will look around the league for alternatives before the Feb. 18 trade deadline.

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