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 05-10-2008, 12:55 PM         #2522
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SI.com: D'Antoni accepts Knicks' offer

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By Jack McCallum, SI.com

Mike D'Antoni has accepted the New York Knicks' lucrative job offer, ending a week-long battle with the Chicago Bulls, who also pursued the Phoenix Suns' coach, a league source told SI.com.

The Knicks reportedly gave D'Antoni a four-year deal worth about $24 million. He had two years and close to $9 million remaining on his contract with the Suns, whom he led to two Western Conference finals and an average of 58 victories in four full seasons.

The hiring completes a whirlwind week for D'Antoni, whom many thought would land with the Bulls, believing their roster better matched his fast-break style. But D'Antoni had been saying quietly all along that New York was as attractive an option for him as Chicago.

The affable D'Antoni certainly was an attractive option to new Knicks president Donnie Walsh, who is looking to change not only the team's on-court style after four consecutive seasons of 33 victories or fewer but also the unpleasant off-court culture that alienated the media -- and almost anyone else who was around -- during the Isiah Thomas days.

Walsh entered the picture last Monday when he interviewed D'Antoni at his home in Scottsdale, Ariz. That talk was sandwiched between D'Antoni's two interviews with Chicago Bulls general manager John Paxson, who spoke with the 2004-05 Coach of the Year on Sunday night and again on Monday morning in Phoenix. On Friday afternoon, at his home in Scottsdale, D'Antoni also talked to Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who has a home about 200 yards away from D'Antoni's. But in the end, Chicago couldn't match the New York offer. Walsh also interviewed Avery Johnson, early favorite Mark Jackson and Rick Carlisle, who has landed the Dallas Mavericks' opening.

D'Antoni's teams look to run, get jump shots off a high pick-and-roll offense and throw up three-pointers when there are openings ... and sometimes when there are not. D'Antoni, then, is not known as a coach who screams at his players for taking bad shots, but then again, he hasn't coached the Knicks' personnel. His big challenge would seem to be either reestablishing a connection with point guard Stephon Marbury, whom he coached briefly in Phoenix during the 2003-04 season, or turning shooting guard Jamal Crawford into more of a point guard. D'Antoni likes big men who run the floor, but it remains to be seen if power forward Zach Randolph would fit that mold, as center Eddy Curry certainly does not. In short, this is a roster that needs work, but that would be the case no matter who got the coaching job.

Where D'Antoni's departure leaves the Suns is a question mark. With the midseason acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal (an addition that D'Antoni advocated) and the possible slowing of 34-year-old point guard Steve Nash (at least that's the way it looked in the Suns' first-round, five-game loss to the San Antonio Spurs), the personnel doesn't suggest a certain style, as it did when D'Antoni and Nash first teamed up to bring fast-break basketball back to the NBA.

But the Phoenix job is still a plum one, with a nucleus of Nash, Shaq, Amaré Stoudemire, Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, Grant Hill and Leandro Barbosa. And with the approximately $9 million owed D'Antoni over the next two years now available, majority owner Robert Sarver and general manager Steve Kerr should be able to land a good coach.

Respected TNT analyst and former NBA coach Doug Collins, a confidant of Kerr's who lives in the Phoenix area, has been mentioned as a potential replacement for D'Antoni. A league source said a Suns player even contacted Collins (it's not known whether he did so on his own or on behalf of the team). But Collins told SI.com that he is not interested in returning to the hot seat. "I like my life the way it is," he said.

One possibility might be Jeff Van Gundy, who preaches a defensive-oriented, slow-down style but has also coached scoring big men like Patrick Ewing in New York and Yao Ming in Houston. With Stoudemire, the offense is already there, and Van Gundy would have to stress defense. But Van Gundy would take some persuading because he has said he doesn't want to coach next season.

Kerr, whose season-long rift with D'Antoni was probably the biggest single factor in the coach's exit, told SI.com that he does not want to coach, at least not now. (His son is a promising scholastic basketball player and Kerr would like to keep tabs on him.)

While it appears as if the situation unraveled quickly in Phoenix, the relationship between D'Antoni and Kerr took an early wrong turn and never got back on track. They had a blowup in November about Stoudemire's placement in the offense -- Kerr believed he should get more post-ups and planned touches -- and D'Antoni felt that on several occasions he was being undercut by Kerr, in subtle ways, in the media. "Oh, hell, maybe I'm paranoid," D'Antoni would say from time to time. But he didn't seem to believe that.

A divide also developed between D'Antoni and the Suns' personnel people, a.ssistant general manager Vinny Del Negro and senior vice president of basketball operations Dave Griffin, who were aligned with Kerr. Management believed that D'Antoni didn't have nearly enough confidence in his bench and that his refusal to open up his rotation hurt the team. The coach maintained that he wasn't given the proper players and therefore did not trust his bench. D'Antoni also believed that the front office did not have full confidence in his a.ssistant coaches, a group including veteran Alvin Gentry, newcomer Jay Humphries, Phil Weber (who specialized in individual workouts with players) and Dan D'Antoni, Mike's older brother.

Still, most of the turmoil remained hidden, partly because D'Antoni and Kerr are both pleasant men, adept at dealing with the media and even with each other, smoldering internal resentments notwithstanding. But in the cauldron of the playoffs against the Spurs, when some of management's dissatisfaction with D'Antoni's defensive schemes and strategy began to find their way into the papers and the blogosphere, the situation devolved.

A devastating double-overtime loss in Game 1, a standard loss in Game 2 and a galling blowout loss at home in Game 3 all but ended the Suns' season and exposed a team in disarray. It had become evident by then that the season had worn on D'Antoni and that the chances of the coach and Kerr repairing their relationship were infinitesimal. After the Suns were eliminated in Game 5, SI.com reported that D'Antoni would not return as coach because of what he considered to be a lack of support from upper management.

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 9 years ago '04        #2523
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lol @ Lee.. but Robinson will flourish with D'Antoni system
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 cpalmer1 said:
BornLoser, you need to explain this, and why it's up in your room?


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my mom snuck into my room and posted that sh*t up with cement or something on my wall..can't take that sh*t out for some reason
 9 years ago '04        #2525
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should be an interesting draft....Walsh wants to trade Curry, Randolph and Marbury and we got ourselves a top 5 draft pick hopefully
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 Born_Loser said:
my mom snuck into my room and posted that sh*t up with cement or something on my wall..can't take that sh*t out for some reason
it's aint nothing my dude. here's an exclusive from Drunk24/7 myspace.


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 9 years ago '06        #2527
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not my first choice.....

but regardless....a GREAT hire for Ny

D'Pringles and Walsh together bring INSTANT credibility to our organization...

this team will still be rebuilding, and probably wont be to good next season....so why not continue to to pack out the garden, and bring some excitement back to this franchise???

Nate, Craw, Chandler, Balkman, and Lee fit PERFECTLY into D'Antoni's style of play....who dont thinks nate and jamal willhave a problem CHUCKIN up shots every 7 seconds...lol

i know P'ringles biggest knock is how the Suns never played any Defense....but look at his firstline of defense, Steve Nash (probably 1 of the worst defenders in the lg)...Marion and Amare played D....its all about the personel

this is more the reason that the knicks MUST DRAFT DERRICK ROSE...i dont care how (the fix....or just trading the farm to move up), but it has to be done...Rose would FLOURISH under D'ANtonioBanderas...

imagine 2 years rebuliding the knicks with a lineup of Rose/Craw/Chandler/Balk/Lee or Rose/Craw/Chandler/Lee/Curry....learning a new system under Mikey D...all while clearing cap to make that FA move that will put us over the top in 2010
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we'll see though....



i guess this means no Patrick Ewing return as an a.ssistant...best of luck to JAX in findin a HC Position in the lg....

but we knick fans have got to believe
 9 years ago '06        #2528
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it's aint nothing my dude. here's an exclusive from Drunk24/7 myspace.


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howd u get my myspace???? :banghead:


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BUSINESS is PICKIN UP in the OFFICIAL THREAD......KNICKS ARE BACK!!!!

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 05-10-2008, 06:04 PM         #2529
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 DRuNk 24/7 said:
not my first choice.....

but regardless....a GREAT hire for Ny

D'Pringles and Walsh together bring INSTANT credibility to our organization...

this team will still be rebuilding, and probably wont be to good next season....so why not continue to to pack out the garden, and bring some excitement back to this franchise???

Nate, Craw, Chandler, Balkman, and Lee fit PERFECTLY into D'Antoni's style of play....who dont thinks nate and jamal willhave a problem CHUCKIN up shots every 7 seconds...lol

i know P'ringles biggest knock is how the Suns never played any Defense....but look at his firstline of defense, Steve Nash (probably 1 of the worst defenders in the lg)...Marion and Amare played D....its all about the personel

this is more the reason that the knicks MUST DRAFT DERRICK ROSE...i dont care how (the fix....or just trading the farm to move up), but it has to be done...Rose would FLOURISH under D'ANtonioBanderas...

imagine 2 years rebuliding the knicks with a lineup of Rose/Craw/Chandler/Balk/Lee or Rose/Craw/Chandler/Lee/Curry....learning a new system under Mikey D...all while clearing cap to make that FA move that will put us over the top in 2010
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we'll see though....



i guess this means no Patrick Ewing return as an a.ssistant...best of luck to JAX in findin a HC Position in the lg....

but we knick fans have got to believe
True but I don't see these players coming back to NYC. And they shouldn't.
In Phenix they had good players. we dont. You can't compare Nate Robinson to Leonardo Barosa. Or Amari with David Lee.

Remember Nate was drafted by the Suns and was traded to the Knicks, so D'antoni knew what he was doing when they didnt draft Nate. And traded Stephan the year before. Expect this line up to be destroyed.

Isiah had a run and gun type offense last year. They are just dumbies.

But if we can land D-rose this is the only way I see it halfway working out.


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 9 years ago '05        #2530
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 cpalmer1 said:
True but I don't see these players coming back to NYC. And they shouldn't.
In Phenix they had good players. we dont. You can't compare Nate Robinson to Leonardo Barosa. Or Amari with David Lee.

Remember Nate was drafted by the Suns and was traded to the Knicks, so D'antoni knew what he was doing when they didnt draft Nate. And traded Stephan the year before. Expect this line up to be destroyed.

Isiah had a run and gun type offense last year. They are just dumbies.

But if we can land D-rose this is the only way I see it halfway working out.
Of course.

I'm Pretty Sure One of the bullets that was down when we brought up reasons to steal D'antoni was...

-If we get rose that'l fit perfectly with D'antoni's system.
 9 years ago '06        #2531
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True but I don't see these players coming back to NYC. And they shouldn't.
In Phenix they had good players. we dont. You can't compare Nate Robinson to Leonardo Barosa. Or Amari with David Lee.

Remember Nate was drafted by the Suns and was traded to the Knicks, so D'antoni knew what he was doing when they didnt draft Nate. And traded Stephan the year before. Expect this line up to be destroyed.

Isiah had a run and gun type offense last year. They are just dumbies.

But if we can land D-rose this is the only way I see it halfway working out.

no one in their right mind is going to compare a team that won 50+ games in the WESTERN confrence to wut the knicks have.....

and to say isiah had a "run n gun" type offense last year is givin the man too much credit....isiah and the knicks had no clue on offense OR defense last year....at least the year b4 they had a gameplan by just dumpin the ball inside to curry....all they ran was ISO plays



all im sayin is D'Antoni, the more i look at it, is a GREAT fit for wut we are trying to accomplish

its going to boost our players value around the league if and when they start to play better....D'A knows how to properly utilize his weapons, it just gives us more options around the league....

im actually excited for next season already, because this move almost guaruntees marbs and curry/randolph are gonners...we gunna see more BALKMAN this season (id love for him to become a Shawn Marion-Lite) and a FULL SEASON STARTER in David "fu*king" Lee

this is reminding me of the team after LB was fired, and they came out playing with heart....no D.....but they always battled...

imagine that this time after we fired our head coach, we DID IT RIGHT!!!....

now lets focus on the draft!!!!!1

*btw any1 wanna go....cuz im definitely going this year*
 9 years ago '06        #2532
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sign baron davis he's rumored to opt out

and drunk i might go, depending on what our pick is
 9 years ago '06        #2533
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well let me know.....cuz i think i gotta camp out or some shyt in order to get the tickets
 05-10-2008, 11:00 PM         #2534
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 DRuNk 24/7 said:
no one in their right mind is going to compare a team that won 50+ games in the WESTERN confrence to wut the knicks have.....

and to say isiah had a "run n gun" type offense last year is givin the man too much credit....isiah and the knicks had no clue on offense OR defense last year....at least the year b4 they had a gameplan by just dumpin the ball inside to curry....all they ran was ISO plays



all im sayin is D'Antoni, the more i look at it, is a GREAT fit for wut we are trying to accomplish

its going to boost our players value around the league if and when they start to play better....D'A knows how to properly utilize his weapons, it just gives us more options around the league....

im actually excited for next season already, because this move almost guaruntees marbs and curry/randolph are gonners...we gunna see more BALKMAN this season (id love for him to become a Shawn Marion-Lite) and a FULL SEASON STARTER in David "fu*king" Lee

this is reminding me of the team after LB was fired, and they came out playing with heart....no D.....but they always battled...

imagine that this time after we fired our head coach, we DID IT RIGHT!!!....

now lets focus on the draft!!!!!1

*btw any1 wanna go....cuz im definitely going this year*
if you think Curry,Marbury, Zach will not be including in any potential trade packages without Balkman, Lee, or Nate you don't know sports. No one will take garbage to make the Knicks fan's happy. Reality check homie.

You must include Balkman, lee, or nate in deals because everyone is asking for them and the only way to get rid of Marbs, Curry or Zach is to include them in a deal. That's how we got rid of Francis.

When you want a trade, make sure you know if the other team would take the players you dont want. And know way they dont want the players they are giving you.

There's no light at the end of this tunnel, yet. Dolan, I've read that he's ready to spend money to get it right. they may just buyout everybody. or trade for talent for first round picks. I trade anyone.

I don't have any loyality to any player on this team. Never should Knick Fans. They all suck. Last time I check David Lee/Balkman aint won a championship.

They shouldn't be safe to walk the streets of New York either.

I believe they will get Dantoni type of players in NYC. I don't believe Walsh would make a move like this unless he knew what is in store for the franchise.
He wanted Mark Jackson, the city wanted Mark. But Donnie listen to me becuase he's on BX on the regular.
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got 2 serious questions for EVERYBODY in here

who ya think will be rocking a Knick uniform this upcoming season? (who won't be traded, bought out/released)

and

will the person we draft (or persons depending if we do make trades during the draft where we end up with another pick or more) be in a Knick jersey or be part of some deal too?
 9 years ago '04        #2536
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baron davis to ny...camby back to ny....bye to eddy or zach... bye to jj...bye to starbury...oh maybe iverson to ny??
 9 years ago '06        #2537
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fu*k no keep iverson the fu*k out of ny
 05-11-2008, 10:16 AM         #2538
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 Born_Loser said:
got 2 serious questions for EVERYBODY in here

who ya think will be rocking a Knick uniform this upcoming season? (who won't be traded, bought out/released)

and

will the person we draft (or persons depending if we do make trades during the draft where we end up with another pick or more) be in a Knick jersey or be part of some deal too?
your guess is as good as mine.
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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

-- Albert Einstein

After spending the last 24 hours alone at home with his head coaching thoughts, Knicks president Donnie Walsh choose Mike D'Antoni over Mark Jackson. I'm stunned and baffled by the decision.

More from the New York Post

"Not only are the Knicks known to shoot themselves in the foot, they often crouch down to get a better aim," zaps column contributor Brian McGunigle.

Reached in Cleveland where he was working Game 3 of the Celtics-Cavaliers series as an ABC commentator, Jackson was disappointed, yet remained upbeat, falling back on his devout beliefs.

"In the Bible, God says, 'I will not withhold any good things from those who serve me,' " he said. "Therefore, following that equation, if I don't get something I want, something I think will be really great, then it isn't good for me. That's the way I view it. He's looking out for me. He knows what's best."

No disrespect to D'Antoni's success in Phoenix, basketball expertise, communication skills and outgoing personality, but he's clearly not the lid for this pot of incompatible, undisciplined, slow-footed players.

Eddy Curry's cardiologist already has organized a protest stroll.

If not Jackson, who Walsh told me was definitely his backup choice had D'Antoni preferred to coach the Bulls, Cesar Milan would've made perfect sense. More than anything, the Knicks need a strong pack leader. By all accounts emanating from Phoenix, D'Antoni made very few demands, thus consequences were almost nonexistent when details were ignored and defense wasn't employed.

Walsh is well aware of D'Antoni's inability to extract so much as a consistently pedestrian defensive effort from Amare Stoudemire. That discredits both the player and the coach. Walsh brushes off such criticism. He has always held D'Antoni in high esteem.

Obviously, Walsh is convinced D'Antoni is capable of becoming more of a disciplinarian and will radically alter (eliminate altogether?) his run-'n-stun style to match the Knicks' currently unmovable misfits.

That's good, because D'Antoni's system is predicated on putting the ball in the care of Steve Nash. Let's get real. I know Nash is an easy mark defensively, but the two-time NBA MVP was D'Antoni's system in Phoenix (abetted by Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and a host of lethal 3-point snipers), same as Tim Duncan has been the Spurs' system for 11 seasons.

Last time I had the stomach to sneak a peek, the Knicks' makers of plays (mostly for themselves) comprised of the surgically-rehabilitating Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford and Nate Robinson.

It's well documented how D'Antoni felt about Marbury after coaching him briefly in 2003-04; the Suns were better off without him. The Knicks are still hung over from Marbury's intoxicating acquisition. How ironic that one of the prime wheelers behind that deal (Jerry and Bryan Colangelo coordinated the swindle) that helped sabotage the Knicks is reunited with Marbury (next season, anyway) for the franchise's next attempted reconstruction.

When it became obvious Jackson was a legit candidate to fill the Knicks' coaching cavity, sources say Marbury reached out to him and pledged allegiance to his unraised flag. Determined to resurrect his career and upgrade his reputation, Marbury promised to do whatever was asked and vowed to show up in camp in great physical and mental shape.

Still, in the opinion of every league person I regularly consult in such situations — excepting Walsh, the only mind that matters — Jackson was the ideal fresh voice to reach Marbury, Curry, Zach Randolph, Crawford, Quentin Richardson (another D'Antoni reject), Jerome James and Jared Jeffries.

Who would've had a better chance to get Knicks players to quit their low-down ways for the next year or two until cap restrictions subside? The point god whose motivating message was well received by the vast majority of teammates during his 17-year playing career? Or the coach who had it made in the shade because of Nash and the Suns are excited is gone?

Like Barack Obama, Jackson would've been a more effective choice for change because of his inexperience.

Could the Suns be the logical next step for Jackson? D'Antoni's exodus frees up $8.5 million over the next two seasons to invest in a replacement. Sources maintain Jackson very much appeals to owner Robert Sarver, president of basketball operations/GM Steve Kerr and trusted veterans whose opinions both men seek out in such situations.

The Bulls also remain an option. A couple of weeks ago, Jackson enjoyed a positive interview with GM John Paxson and personnel director Jay Hillock.

Finally, column contributor George Caballero reports Dolan, "as part of D'Antoni's pact, has agreed to buy him out once he realizes what he's gotten himself into."
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wHY IS THERE SO MANY KNICK FANS ON BOXDEN?
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