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 10 years ago '04        #2551
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and Drunk...what about Hibbert if we trade down?

especially with the strong rumors of Curry being gone?

 10 years ago '06        #2552
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 DRuNk 24/7 said
Mayo had exceeded my expectations at USC...he wasnt surrounded with the quality of team like ma boy D Rose had in memphis...but he wasnt as selfish a player as i thought hed be....he has a great feel for the game, and plays under control....

i wouldnt mind seein the knicks land Mayo if they're out of position to land Rose....

Rush seems like hes going to be a nice role player in the league...bruce bowen type if he fulfils his MAX potential





my draftboard with this new system thats going to be implemented would be....

With a Top 5 pick:
Rose
Mayo
Bayless
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If We Trade Down:
Gallinari
Westbrook
Greene
Augustin
Batum
JaVale McGee
yea im with you on the top 5 but i'll replace Bayless with Gallinari hes a slasher with a 3 Point Shot .. might work under Mike f*gToni his Defense is suspect.
Rose is objective #1 tho

so i got it
Rose
Mayo
Gallinari

best case scenario we draft Rose and pick up a shotblocker later on
cause we all know curry couldnt get a block if he was fu*king wearing springs

 10 years ago '06        #2553
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 Born_Loser said
and Drunk...what about Hibbert if we trade down?

especially with the strong rumors of Curry being gone?
na Hibbert is sluggish i rather see DeAndre Jordan in a Knicks Jersey

 10 years ago '04        #2554
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The parent companies change — Gulf & Western, Paramount, Viacom, Cablevision — but the guiding principle of business affairs at Madison Square Garden remains the same. For as long as I can remember, the guys who run basketball's supposed Mecca have always outbid the market for the services of the biggest available name.

In this case, it's Donnie Walsh hiring Mike D'Antoni at $24 million for four years.

It used to be that big money went to a big name who'd won championships, coaches like Pat Riley and Larry Brown (the latter being a disaster, of course, though I didn't hear complaints at the time). But Mike D'Antoni's teams — abundantly talented and much-praised for basketball aesthetics — never won a conference title, much less a championship.

I won't mind, a couple of years from now, writing how wrong I was. That's how much I think of Walsh. But I don't get this one, not at all.

There are only two reasons for D'Antoni to have done this deal. First, the money. Second, he no longer believes he can win with the Phoenix Suns. And if I'm in Walsh's position, that bothers me.

I don't care if Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal are getting old. They're still Steve Nash and Shaquille O'Neal. Same for Grant Hill. There's also Boris Diaw, 26, Leandro Barbosa, 25, and Amare Stoudemire, also 25, who just happens to be the most talented big man in the game. A basketball man has all that, and he leaves to coach the Knicks of Stephon Marbury and Zach Randolph?

D'Antoni's agent has been quoted as saying, "Mike's looking forward to the challenge."

Really, now, what's the truer test of a coach? Making the Knicks appear respectable in a conference where 38 wins gets you a playoff berth, or finally getting the Suns to the Finals? Seems to me he's found a way out of the bigger challenge.

The Knicks won't be any good — authentically good, I mean — until they get under the cap and purchase a free agent like LeBron James. That'll take at least three years. In the meantime, you have every right to wonder about D'Antoni's system, dubbed "Seven Seconds or Less" in a fine book by Jack McCallum. With the Suns, D'Antoni wanted a good shot in seven seconds. With the Knicks, seven seconds is the over-under for Eddy Curry making it across half-court.

It has long been fashionable to bemoan the ugly '90s style powerball (ironically, it was the guy with the prettiest-ever game, Michael Jordan, who did more for isolation offense and bruising defenses than even Pat Riley and Chuck Daly). Everybody likes to see teams run and gun. But if such a scheme were really the basis for a championship, the And1 traveling squad would be in the Finals every year. Now as ever — the Suns had to find this out the hard way — you don't win on style points (though the Spurs, with Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker, never got nearly enough). You win on defense. And the fact of the matter is, Mike D'Antoni's Phoenix team didn't play much.

Take Stoudemire, for instance. You can't tell me he lacks the talent to play defense. He just doesn't bother. Whose fault is that, though? Part of it has to be D'Antoni's.

Defense, most of it, anyway, is about desire and coaching. If you don't have the desire, you need some coaching. A good coach makes you fear the personal consequences of not playing defense. A great coach makes you feel a need to defend; he's able to sell you on the idea that defense is connected to the greater glory. D'Antoni, for all the talent at his disposal, didn't view defense as a priority. That's just a fact.

Mark Jackson would've been a better choice. I would hope his friendship with Jeff Van Gundy (still considered an enemy by Cablevision) had nothing to do the Knicks passing on his services. Donnie Walsh has hired former players lacking in experience as head coaches before, and Jackson seemed ideally suited for this franchise at this time. He may have actually motivated Marbury, if only for a year.

This belated endorsement comes with a declaration of my own prejudices, of course. Jackson is a New Yorker, imbued with that now-ancient sense of basketball as the city's game. But he was also a great playmaker, having run the point for two very good powerball teams, the Knicks and the Pacers. More than that, though, I'd like to think he had acquired a sober sense of the treacherous intramural politics in and around Madison Square Garden.

I fear Mike D'Antoni will come by this knowledge the hard way. There's a reason the Knicks have to outbid everybody. At the Garden, six mill per isn't what it's cracked up to be

 10 years ago '06        #2555
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 Born_Loser said
and Drunk...what about Hibbert if we trade down?

especially with the strong rumors of Curry being gone?

i get mixed reviews about hibbert....he is a very smart high basketball IQ bigman that could fit into a "Pass-First" style of play...but he just doesnt seem too fleet of foot...his biggest knock is that he might be too slow for the nba...


i dont know bout the Curry rumors...everytime walsh has ever spoken of curry he talks about things he likes about his game...2 years ago, curry was argueably an all-star for us...i think if D'Antoni can RUN HIM INTO SHAPE, we could be alright with curry (at least just for next year)

i truley believe that Zach is the guy that Donnie Walnuts is tryna rid himself of...

he has a longer contract than CurryMan....and a few teams actually had some interest in him last year...

i could actually see us swinging that bucks trade to get a Defensive minded running style bigman (Gadzuric), and a shooter on the wing (Simmons)....maybe even gettin a charlie V somehow

not that these are trades THAT I personally want to see...it just seems like moves that could fit our system...

 10 years ago '06        #2556
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Guys Who SHOULD Be On The Knicks Radar and Can REASONABLY Be Had:

*Based on fitting the system and takin this team in the direction which we are heading (Salary Cap Wise)*

Feel Free to Add On...



In no particular order other than by the position.....

PG's

Jose Calderon (wishful thinkin, only if we cant land rose)
Steve Blake
Kyle Lowry
Shaun Livingston
Luke Ridnour
Delonte West
Earl Watson
Chris Duhon
Sergio Rodriguez (Euro prospect w/ the Blazers)
Sasha Vujacic
Keeyon Dooling
Beeno Udirh

SG's

Gerald Green
JR Smith
Bonzi Wells
JJ Red!ck
Francisco Garcia

SF's

Mike Miller
Adam Morrison
Matt Barnes
Micael Pietrus
James Posey
Jarvis Hayes
Bostjan Nachbar

PF's

Charlie V
Chris Wilcox
Kenyon Martin
Troy Murphy
Charmin Frye
Boris Diaw

Centers

Marcus Camby
Dan Gadzuric
Jeff Foster
Darko Milicic
Brad Miller


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 10 years ago '04        #2557
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that was the trade that Zeke was trying to do before the deadline and i actually thought was gonna happen

Randolph for Gadzuric, i think Simmons and another dude...can't remember the 2 other guys but it was for 3 Bucks

 10 years ago '06        #2558
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i dont see the raptors letting go of Calderon the raps got some money,
a marbury for Tj Ford trade might be possible .. that'll atleast be a step to saving some money .. we get a young Guard and the raps get a somewhat proven player to backup or start

 10 years ago '06        #2559
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 Born_Loser said
that was the trade that Zeke was trying to do before the deadline and i actually thought was gonna happen

Randolph for Gadzuric, i think Simmons and another dude...can't remember the 2 other guys but it was for 3 Bucks
Trade i heard was
Z-Bo + Nate + Rose for Gadzuric and Charlie Bell and money
shoulda pulled the trigger or atleast traded Z-Bo and Nate for Gadzuric and Sessions

 05-12-2008, 03:49 PM         #2560
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 DRuNk 24/7 said
Guys Who SHOULD Be On The Knicks Radar and Can REASONABLY Be Had:

*Based on fitting the system and takin this team in the direction which we are heading (Salary Cap Wise)*

Feel Free to Add On...



In no particular order other than by the position.....

PG's

Jose Calderon (wishful thinkin, only if we cant land rose)
Steve Blake
Kyle Lowry
Shaun Livingston
Luke Ridnour
Delonte West
Earl Watson
Chris Duhon
Sergio Rodriguez (Euro prospect w/ the Blazers)
Sasha Vujacic
Keeyon Dooling
Beeno Udirh

SG's

Gerald Green
JR Smith
Bonzi Wells
JJ Red*ck
Francisco Garcia

SF's

Mike Miller
Adam Morrison
Matt Barnes
Micael Pietrus
James Posey
Jarvis Hayes
Bostjan Nachbar

PF's

Charlie V
Chris Wilcox
Kenyon Martin
Troy Murphy
Charmin Frye
Boris Diaw

Centers

Marcus Camby
Dan Gadzuric
Jeff Foster
Darko Milicic
Brad Miller
Thats funny on my NBA2k6 I have Fransico Gracia(I trade Nate for him) and Shawn Livingston as starters. Charim Frye too

 10 years ago '04        #2561
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B-Diddy might opt out his contract..yay or nay

 10 years ago '06        #2562
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 Born_Loser said
B-Diddy might opt out his contract..yay or nay
nay....


BDiddy is just another chucker....i know he'd fit into the system and would be a better option that any1 we have at the present moment...

but this team is and should be rebuilding...

no more quick fixes, lets continue to build this team the RIGHT way...

 10 years ago '08        #2563
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 Born_Loser said
B-Diddy might opt out his contract..yay or nay

nay....

 10 years ago '06        #2564
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 Born_Loser said
B-Diddy might opt out his contract..yay or nay
nay
Davis is just like Marbury dribble dribble shoot shoot then maybe a pass
SG mentality

 05-12-2008, 06:13 PM         #2565
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 Born_Loser said
B-Diddy might opt out his contract..yay or nay
Hell to the nay.

He's older and will breakdown in a few years.
plus we are rebuilding so we only need small contracts not big ones.

 10 years ago '07        #2566
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as much as i love baron, i don't think he's the fit for the knicks... baron is a west coast and works well in a freelancing offense, which is why he thrived so much at UCLA and on GSW. we need the andre miller or cp3 types...

d rose fits into that cp3-mold (only taller) so hopefully we'll see where we are in the lottery... same w/ bayless and gordon. augustin is a bit small, i hope we dont go w/ him if either one of those 3 are on the board.


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 05-13-2008, 07:24 AM         #2567
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 cpalmer1 said
You seen this one?


Mayo has too much baggage, he's not a franchise corner stone. I like him, but I think he's a Tim Thomas type of player. Plays for the money and not for the game.

I'd rather get CDR or Brandon Rush. if we cant get a PG.
ummm no

your hawks can keep them two, there were decent college players but they won't amount to much the league.

 05-13-2008, 11:04 AM         #2568
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D'Antoni wants Marbury out, Diaw, Barbosa in with Knicks
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One of the first plays Mike D'Antoni is expected to draw up as the Knicks' new coach is for Stephon Marbury to run up the Garden floor ... and out the door back to Phoenix to rejoin the Suns according to the New York Daily News.

Once D'Antoni is formally named to succeed Isiah Thomas, he is expected to try to make a push for two of his favorite Suns forward Boris Diaw and guard Leandro Barbosa, who reportedly have fallen out of favor with Suns management. According to a person close to D'Antoni, one of his first moves would be to get the Knicks to offer Marbury and his expiring $22 million contract as a central part of the deal.

Because of the Suns players mentioned in this scenario, no one will be surprised if D'Antoni starts lobbying Donnie Walsh today to call Phoenix president Steve Kerr to begin trade talks.

Source: New York Daily News

* If this happens trust and believe that Walsh and D'Antoni
will be arrested for Felony Theft


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 05-13-2008, 11:58 AM         #2569
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 10 years ago '04        #2570
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 7thWonder said


D'Antoni wants Marbury out, Diaw, Barbosa in with Knicks
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One of the first plays Mike D'Antoni is expected to draw up as the Knicks' new coach is for Stephon Marbury to run up the Garden floor ... and out the door back to Phoenix to rejoin the Suns according to the New York Daily News.

Once D'Antoni is formally named to succeed Isiah Thomas, he is expected to try to make a push for two of his favorite Suns forward Boris Diaw and guard Leandro Barbosa, who reportedly have fallen out of favor with Suns management. According to a person close to D'Antoni, one of his first moves would be to get the Knicks to offer Marbury and his expiring $22 million contract as a central part of the deal.

Because of the Suns players mentioned in this scenario, no one will be surprised if D'Antoni starts lobbying Donnie Walsh today to call Phoenix president Steve Kerr to begin trade talks.

Source: New York Daily News

* If this happens trust and believe that Walsh and D'Antoni
will be arrested for Felony Theft
dats wassup...i just got home exactly right now and i see on the ESPN sports ticker something about trading Marbury

 05-13-2008, 04:00 PM         #2571
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ummm no

your hawks can keep them two, there were decent college players but they won't amount to much the league.
CDR>>>>current Knick team..

 10 years ago '04        #2572
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nebody watching the Mike D'Antoni/Donnie Walsh press conference now (pre-recorded of course)?

 10 years ago '04        #2573
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WTF @ STAR IS BORN

n*gga acting lil funny in that interview

 05-13-2008, 06:56 PM         #2574
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 Born_Loser said
WTF @ STAR IS BORN

n*gga acting lil funny in that interview
What? what r you talking about? explain.

 10 years ago '04        #2575
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 cpalmer1 said
What? what r you talking about? explain.
had like an awkward aura about him when he was being interviewed in the beginning than he started to talk about that he was running in the mountains that came outta nowhere lmfao

another sh*t that had me dying during that press conference for some reason was when all the reporters kept asking Mike all these questions, Donnie looked like he was dying for a question himself, finally got one than after some female reporter was hey mike, like blah blah i'm on your left...Donnie was looking all over the place for a hot minute like he was still looking for the chick

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