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 01-31-2013, 09:35 PM         #12361
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They wanted his commit immediately......



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Papa Cane ‏@ByPapaCane
With "Bad" News, Comes Good News and @CANEINSIDER will spill the beans shortly. UM coaches making a big move. Power play in works.



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 4 years ago '05        #12362
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good news? yall been losers for a decade, doubt this is gonna change anything
 01-31-2013, 10:17 PM         #12363
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If Kirkland ends up at Ole Miss, USF, or Arkansas, we'll know what the issue was...
 4 years ago '05        #12364
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Does this mean golden isn't gonna open up an keep it a small class

 02-01-2013, 01:24 AM         #12365
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CORAL GABLES, Fla. — A source has informed Caneinsider.com that the University of Miami is prepared to file suit against the NCAA for its reckless 22 month investigation of the University’s athletic programs. The grounds for the suit are not entirely known nor is the timeline, however we do know that amid the controversy of this investigation the NCAA has now publicly stated they are in the midst of an internal investigation into their very own investigative tactics. NCAA President Mark Emmert said last Wednesday ”I am deeply disappointed and frustrated and even angry about these circumstances” in regards to the improper conduct investigators within the NCAA took to gather information.

While the University has been repeatedly praised by NCAA officials for its cooperation into the investigation, it appears the University’s grounds for the suit are largely based on its self-imposed multiple penalties and the egregious 22 month investigation to date . The self-imposed penalties include current and past player suspensions and an “unprecedented” two postseason bans for the football program. Of these self-imposed penalties the postseason bans are believed to carry substantial weight as the University lost Millions of dollars of potential revenue after narrowly winning the ACC Coastal division this past football season and electing to forgo an opportunity to play in the ACC Championship Game and potentially a BCS Bowl Game. The lost revenue, in addition to the over 22 months of proverbial negative press the University has received, appear to be a strength for the University in their case against the NCAA.

Additionally, we were told the University will try to leverage their current position as a “victim” of a botched investigation by a blatantly broken entity to force the NCAA’s hand in agreement that the “Time served is enough”. This would of course be in addition to the already self-imposed penalties the University set in place and a period of probation to be served. Let us also not forget the years of negative recruiting the University and specifically Al Golden has had to face. With Al Golden on record as saying “ I’ve never been in a kids’ home recruiting where I didn’t have to answer those questions… And I can’t wait for that day. I thank the parents and the players that stayed here to f!ght through this.”

While the future of the investigation remains unclear, it appears for now the University will no longer accept being fed to the wolves by an entity that lives by laws they write, with no one to hold them accountable. How much more public humiliation will the NCAA take before they cave to pressure from the public or the University’s they try to control? With rogue investigators acting as federal agents and attempting to blackmail former collegiate athletes into confessions of impropriety, it is no wonder there is a list of University’s and Athletes whom have filed lawsuits against the organization. The next question is how quickly Miami will file suit and will the NCAA come to terms with University?

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 4 years ago '06        #12366
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 4 years ago '05        #12367
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thanks for Booker T bi*ches 6 told Golden fu*k you i want to win im goin to FSU ya tie wearin bi*ch. Golden Goon got mad n told Kirkland he didnt have a spot......so thanks for both of em, thanks for Treon, thanks for Chad Thomas and the rest of the future top BTW guys....ya lil dumbasses

oh n cant forget patten too, thanks bi*ches.....dont worry yall can have lincoln


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 4 years ago '05        #12368
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yall know me im always here to bring Da U some more good news

@unclelukereal1: I've been f!ghting for UM all my life talking to coaches about giving Al a chance. Al has just committed suicide you don't do that to Ice.

 02-01-2013, 11:15 AM         #12369
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Yup, cause Luke's opinion about a coach is the end-all, be-all to Miami's success...
 02-01-2013, 11:19 AM         #12370
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The only good news for FSU has been UMs bad news
 4 years ago '08        #12371
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WTF!!!!
 4 years ago '05        #12372
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uhhh last time i checked we were still rated higher in recruiting
 4 years ago '05        #12373
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Ice did an interview this morning and was asked about how the Kirkland sh*t affects Thomas. Said he doesn't know yet but Thomas and Kirkland have always talked about playing together in college and there were only two schools in both players top 3 and that was FSU and Miami. Now it's only FSU
 4 years ago '07        #12374
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NSD better close strong because if not golden is fu*ked

Even if there is more to the story we'll never hear his side because its against NCAA policy

Ive heard some foul sh*t going down but It doesnt matter all these dade coaches linking up and talking about not helping UM sh*t is turning out all bad. O well NSD is Wednesday

That BTW is huge especially with future prospects. But BTW kids have fu*ked us over as have many kids outta dade but there was no uproar then.
 02-01-2013, 02:24 PM         #12375
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A day later, cooler heads have prevailed at Booker T.; Matthew Thomas still in play for Canes

Sometimes you just need to talk things out.

In the case of Booker T. Washington offensive lineman Denver Kirkland, coach Tim "Ice" Harris and the University of Miami it appears better communication between the parties involved could have prevented some hurt feelings and an ugly situation. But a day later, after a night to sleep on things, I can tell you UM hasn't poisoned itself in Overtown or burned any bridges permanently. There are grown ups involved here. Lessons have been learned.

For starters I spent about 30 minutes this afternoon chatting up Ice Harris and his son, offensive coordinator Tim Harris Jr., to get the real story of what might have gone wrong here. Ice told me afterward he didn't want to be quoted other than to say "I don't want to beat a dead horse." But without knowing UM's side of the story here -- coaches aren't allowed to discuss recruits publicly -- here is what I gathered from the situation:

Kirkland, a 6-5, 333-pound All-American offensive lineman, obviously wasn't the big fish UM was hoping to catch at Booker T. All-American linebacker Matthew Thomas, a consensus five-star recruit, has always been the guy Miami has gone after at Booker T. first and foremost. When Al Golden visited Booker T. on Thursday afternoon with a couple of his a.ssistants he spent an hour and a half with Thomas and 10 minutes with Kirkland.

Don't mistake for a second Booker T. coaches aren't aware Thomas is the guy everybody in the country wants or that Kirkland isn't "a shade below" Thomas in terms of being in the same league. Kirkland, Harris Jr. told me, didn't get a Miami offer until this past summer, after he had attended UM's camp.

But this is where the communication break down begins. In the eyes of Booker T.'s coaches, who spend every day with their players, there was no difference between Kirkland and Thomas. Once they got an offer from a school, they a.ssumed schools were willing to go the distance with them -- all the way up until Signing Day -- to wait for a commitment.

Ice Harris, having spent three years on Randy Shannon's staff at UM, is well aware of the recruiting game. He understands schools can pull scholarship offers and go in another direction if things change. Recruiting is a fluid game that changes from second to second. Ice Harris knows offers aren't guaranteed. He just never imagined in his wildest dreams -- not after Al Golden visited Booker T. Washington and spent time with both players Thursday -- that Miami was considering pulling Kirkland's scholarship. Why? Because there was no talk of a deadline according to them.

"They might have told him it was getting a little tight for them or he needed to give them an a.ssurance, but he wasn't ready to do that," Harris Jr. said. "But we told them -- told a.ssistant Micheal Barrow -- we felt strongly he was going to go there. He just had to go through the process and make sure he was going to go there."

Why did Kirkland need more time? Because according to Booker T.'s staff, other college coaches were still coming in to talk to Kirkland. After Golden and his staff walked out the door Thursday, Harris said Jimbo Fisher and FSU was waiting to talk to Kirkland. Like it or not, it's a process. And now we know why. Because at any moment a school can decide to change directions -- the same way athletes can. Recruiting is fluid.

Harris and Booker T.'s players just never expected to be jolted like that, especially not when they were telling Barrow it looked better for UM that they would land Kirkland than it did as far as netting Thomas. And maybe in the end, that wasn't good enough for Miami.

Maybe, Canes coaches thought Kirkland wasn't going to Miami (maybe new offensive coordinator James Coley had some better insight into the situation). Or, it really was a numbers crunch and UM knows it has other top tier recruits as silent commitments. Maybe the Canes just don't have room for an All-American offensive lineman because they've got six or seven other blue-chip talents in the bag.

Still, it's just odd the way all this went down. For six months Miami wanted Denver Kirkland. Then six days before National Signing Day they decided they didn't want him anymore. I guess if you have six or seven better players you know for sure you are getting it makes sense to make room, toss out the trash.

But if you don't know that for sure then why do this? Why surprise a two-time state championship winning coach by yanking a scholarship away from one of his best players after you've told him for six months you want him and he's told you that you are likely to get him?

And that's where the confusion lies on Booker T.'s side. Ice Harris trusted his word to Barrow was good enough, that it was infiltrating the offices at UM and that the offer Kirkland had wasn't going to vanish. He still trusts Barrow, insisting he's " a great guy and the way he recruited his players is the right way." Ice Harris said his conversation with Barrow Friday morning "went well" and both sides are "trying to smooth things over."

It's the guys making the decisions down in Coral Gables, inside the offices, Ice Harris isn't sure about. After all, if Golden was already at Booker T. Thursday morning why not tell Kirkland yourself the bad news? Why send Barrow back to do it after a championship parade?

"I don't think the relationship as a whole between Miami and Booker T. is ruined," said Tim Harris Jr., a UM grad and former track star. "You have to look at every situation differently. I think everybody here can all agree this situation was handled bad and us being a pipeline here in the backyard of UM it shouldn't have come to this. But all of us here are professionals and I don't think anyone here wants to give the idea we would steer kids away from the University of Miami. If anything, we're just going to have to ask more questions. When they come in and say you have an offer we're going to ask 'Is there a deadline?' That goes for all schools. At the end of the day, UM is my school, it always will be. But I'm a coach here at Booker T. and we're here to protect the kids and keep them away from having something like this happen to them. So we will be smarter. We've learned a lesson."

And now, maybe, Miami will learn a lesson, too.

Star linebacker Matthew Thomas is still very much in play for the Canes. Harris a.ssured me of that. UM coaches were with him last night in his home -- after they broke his teammate's heart. Thomas was shocked to hear what happened with Kirkland, Harris said. But he hasn't ruled the Canes out -- at least not as of noon Friday.

Then again, UM has never been the program at the top of Thomas' list. The way Harris Jr. explained it to me, Thomas didn't really care about Miami, didn't want to go there for most of the season. When Barrow or UM coaches would call him, Harris Jr. said, he wouldn't answer. It wasn't until Harris and his a.ssistants urged him to open his ears and at least hear what UM had to offer that Thomas really began to listen. Florida State, they say, had always been Thomas' quiet leader. Now, USC is involved "and making a strong late push." Alabama has been in the mix, too.

Does UM really have a chance to get Thomas?

"Yeah they've got a chance," Harris Jr. said. "But it's not like Denver. We honestly don't know where he wants to go. It was FSU for a long time and now it's anybody's guess. I think we all feel like we're going to be surprised on Wednesday."

For Miami's sake, let's hope that surprise isn't like the one Kirkland got Thursday afternoon. That one stung.
 4 years ago '08        #12376
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Then again, UM has never been the program at the top of Thomas' list. The way Harris Jr. explained it to me, Thomas didn't really care about Miami, didn't want to go there for most of the season. When Barrow or UM coaches would call him, Harris Jr. said, he wouldn't answer. It wasn't until Harris and his a.ssistants urged him to open his ears and at least hear what UM had to offer that Thomas really began to listen. Florida State, they say, had always been Thomas' quiet leader. Now, USC is involved "and making a strong late push." Alabama has been in the mix, too.
Why you ain't bold this part of the article pus*y
 02-01-2013, 02:59 PM         #12377
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 F.A.M.E.M.O.B. said:
Why you ain't bold this part of the article pus*y
Cause I bolded what people didn't already know f*ggot
 4 years ago '08        #12378
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 Cheeze said:
Cause I bolded what people didn't already know f*ggot
Oh so you knew Matt wasn't going to Miami

I like you Cheddar Bob you're not delusional
 4 years ago '07        #12379
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6 is FSU Bound

That kirkland news had to be the deathblow to chances with him. If golden somehow happens to get him ill never question his recruiting tactics ever again
 02-01-2013, 03:29 PM         #12380
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 F.A.M.E.M.O.B. said:
Oh so you knew Matt wasn't going to Miami

I like you Cheddar Bob you're not delusional
I never said he wasn't going said people knew Miami wasn't the favorite early on

Then Junior sh*t himself in threads when he threw up the U

Until NSD nobody knows whats going on. After yesterday, that much is clear.
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