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 5 years ago '05        #10841
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Dot know how much stock you can put on this buuut


@TheREALPerchick Alex Collins just threw up the U and led C-A-N-E-S chant at duke-Miami bball game @BFeldmanCBS @Manny_Navarro
 01-24-2013, 11:38 AM         #10842
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According to sources, James Coley has officially accepted the Offensive Coordinator position at Miami.
 5 years ago '05        #10843
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enjoy all the recruits f*ggots because we aint gettin sh*t now

Thomas, Kirkland, Coley, Yearby all to Miami....

atleast i don't have to worry about hopin now because we have a 0% chance with em.....

we no longer gonna get sh*t from Miami, now Miami gonna become a powerhouse again

ima go take a car ride on the highway park on the shoulder n cry myself to sleep
 5 years ago '05        #10844
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I woulda been ecstatic with just Thomas and Collins, long as they don't flip

But this
 5 years ago '05        #10845
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shut up bi*ch
 5 years ago '05        #10846
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Bylaw Blog writer weighs in on UM case after NCAA bombshell drops Wednesday
After Wednesday's bombshell fell from the lips of NCAA President Mark Emmert, I reached out to our friend John Infante, a former compliance officer at NCAA Division I schools who runs the Bylaw Blog.
Infante's expertise has been featured on ESPN, Sports Illustrated, USA Today and numerous other media outlets. Keep in mind he isn't privy to the information the NCAA has on Miami. He simply is giving his opinion based on what he's read from published reports and heard today.
Here is the transcript of my 20 minute, one-on-one Q&A with him today:
Q: How does this affect Miami? Most people a.ssume here that the NCAA admitting its made mistakes in the investigation will be positive for Miami. Some think they might even just settle.

"It definitely will be positive. But I think people -- when they think positive -- it's significantly reduced sanctions. To me, that remains to be seen. I know President Emmert said in his press conference that this affected only a small portion of the information in the case. They still have to go through and find out exactly which allegations or specific violations [can't be used]. I don't know how much the NCAA follows the fruit of the [poisonous] tree doctrine -- which basically says if you gather information you wouldn't otherwise have gotten without the use of an improper lead, you can't use that new information either. But anything the NCAA cannot corroborate is helpful for Miami. The fewer student-athletes, the fewer former coaches, the less money, the fewer violations involved the better the case will be [for UM]. The question now is if it is going to better enough to result in a significantly different set of penalties."
Q: A lot of the investigative reports -- including Yahoo!'s -- came from the depositions and information through Shapiro's lawyer Maria Elena Perez. How could the NCAA still have much of a case if you have to wipe out whatever Shapiro's lawyer was involved with?

"Again, you have to wonder if the NCAA could have gotten this another way. It could be they look through their reports -- I don't know who makes this determination the law firm or the NCAA -- but they may say, 'We got this through this [improper] deposition, but then here's the other document we obtained properly that has the same information in it.' So I think you balance it with the idea that they wouldn't try to get subpeona power unless what they got was a game changer or real effective. The extreme [position] that the whole case is going to be gone, the NCAA certainly doesn't sound like the whole case is going to be gone. It sounds like something significant is still there... I think there is a big range -- in the middle -- of what exactly the case was going to look like. Frankly, the other problem is we don't know what the case would have looked like before. We know what Yahoo!'s case would have been and other media outlet's cases would have been. But nobody knows exactly, specifically what the NCAA has been able to corroborate given this abusive power. So, it's tough to know what was knocked out when we aren't even sure what's going to be in there in the first place."
Q: Worst day in NCAA history in terms of them policing themselves?

"As President Emmert said they've had better days. It's certainly up there. It's certainly one of the darkest days in NCAA history in terms of its investigative power. The thing to remember is that in these kind of scandals with the NCAA's investigative process that have come out in the last year -- Todd McNair's defamation case; the Shabazz Muhammad case and now this -- the NCAA has been accused of not following its own rules. One of the responses might be that the NCAA just had some bad seeds and 'we're going to clear out the bad apples that spoil the bunch. We're going to clear out the staff and we're going to have more money to bring in professional investigators and move on from there.' I think the real kind of devastating thing [for the NCAA] is if the courts say you followed procedure to a T and we're still ruling that improper. Then, that calls into question the entire way the NCAA does it's business rather than the idea that investigator or that investigator went rogue. The NCAA is dealing with the same sort of problems athletic departments deal with. There is a violation; now we got to find out what it is and fix it. Did the coach go rogue? Did the investigator go rogue? Did we fail to monitor? I know people are making jokes about it. People have asked me: 'Why would something like this happen?' Coaches are expected to deliver results and they cut corner sometimes. I think in a public case like this --- where the public says 'We had all the facts 15 months ago why isn't Miami punished yet?' -- there is that pressure to get your man, to deliver a result. Well, there would be pressure in that case also for an investigator to cut a corner."
Q: Isn't this unprecedented, the NCAA admitting it made a mistake before a notice of allegations isn't even sent?

"Yes. The leak of info with [UCLA basketball player] Shabazz Muhammad, we found out about that after he had been ruled ineligible and while they were appealing. It was kind of mid-process whereas this is kind of right before [the NOA]. In terms of how it helps Miami, I don't know if procedurally it really does [help] because you would hope that if the NOA went out and then the NCAA [did what it did Wednesday the NOA] would be pulled back and the NCAA would be doing exactly what it is doing now, which is pulling back and seeing what information should be in there and then re-doing the notice of allegations with the info it should have. Really, what it does is it delays [the case], but it doesn't delay it as long [as it could have been] because the NCAA would have had to restart its 90-day timeline. It sounds like the NCAA is fairly confident they can turn this around quickly. They're saying this is a delay of weeks rather than months. In terms of the timing of it, I really don't think its helpful for Miami in terms of what the penalties will be. I think it prevents a really long case from being delayed longer than it is now."
Q: Some people are thinking Miami can pounce here legally and say -- you fired these investigators, you went about this the wrong way, whole thing is a sham -- can Miami do anything here to put pressure on the NCAA that would help solve this case faster and lessen the penalties?

"That's tricky for all the parties involved because you are still down by the cooperative principal. You still have to cooperate with the NCAA's investigation. For Miami [to sue or f!ght it] that's a very high risk maneuver. Everything in this case has suggested that up until now they're not really putting up a f!ght. They might be exhausting their options to defend themselves, not digging in their heels to f!ght it every step of the way. I think the more likely scenario is Miami lets this play out and if the sanctions or the findings that come out of the committee on infractions' final report are excessive, I think that's the point Miami picks up on this and uses [Wednesday's announcement] as grounds for a lawsuit. Miami doesn't look like it's going to f!ght it like that. They're more likely to appeal anything now. But in terms of suing the NCAA that's always a drastic step. Very few schools have done it. It's generally individuals. As far as the individual coaches, a lot of them are still employed and working. If they had been fired or not working I think they would be much more likely to pounce on this and try to get themselves detached and the case thrown out. But since they're working, I think it's going to be more of a wait and see what their penalties are and if it harms their career. I can almost guarantee there will be a couple lawsuits against the NCAA trying to say this whole thing, none of it is proper."
Q: The NCAA is going to a new enforcement system in August. Can they avoid these similar problems from happening again?

"The new system doesn't really address what happens here. The new system is really more about penalties. It doesn't address how cases get to this point. Depending on the outcome of this external review -- and kudos for the NCAA being up front about it, talking about it publicly let's hope this continues -- I think this leads to a whole new initiative. This is not an isolated issue. This is kind of the third incident. Fool me once shame on you; full me twice shame on me. Three times is a trend. I do think it requires a big change. What that change is it's tough to say. I think the NCAA may take a more serious look at what people are calling them to do which is handing off investigations to third parties or creating an internal affairs unit. If this is a result of public pressure and an underfunded, undermanned enforcement staff, I'm not necessarily sure those things will fix the problem long term other than creating the same type of cycle where schools get caught, clean things up, fall off a little bit and break rules again. The NCAA isn't in a position or the public standing to keep things the same way. They have to come up with something to address this problem long term to sort of regain any public trust."
Q: Gut feeling in the end: Does Miami gets off easier?

"At this point I would be shocked about another post-season ban. I also would be surprised to see crippling scholarship penalties. I do think they will be let off a little easier than they would have been. The biggest challenge now for the NCAA is to explain [to other school] in a way that Miami didn't get a break on a technicality. That won't sit well with people either."
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Good analysis of what's going on
 5 years ago '08        #10847
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You idiots don't even see you downgraded. Your last OC went to he NFL now you guys have an OC that NOBODY but you went after. Good luck with that.

BTW ur defense is still gonna be a.ss
 01-24-2013, 12:56 PM         #10848
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 F.A.M.E.M.O.B. said:
You idiots don't even see you downgraded. Your last OC went to he NFL now you guys have an OC that NOBODY but you went after. Good luck with that.

BTW ur defense is still gonna be a.ss
Of course our last OC went to the NFL...was he gonna go to another college team like FSU coaches?



 5 years ago '07        #10849
Kinglew88 13 heat pts13
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Ohhhh they Madd lmaoooooo

I told yall yesterday he was comming gave you time to prepare and everything
 01-24-2013, 01:00 PM         #10850
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Miami TE Play should shoot through the roof with Coley, Cristobal and Carroll all TE Coaches in their past.
Bout goddamn time we bring back the TE as a big part of the offense
 01-24-2013, 01:42 PM         #10851
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Not a good sign for #FSU landing 4* D. Kirkland, 5* M. Thomas: Their Booker T HS coach Ice Harris actually coached Coley as QB at Miami Sr.
 5 years ago '08        #10852
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 Cheeze said:
Of course our last OC went to the NFL...was he gonna go to another college team like FSU coaches?



The incompetency in your intelligence doesn't warrant a response
 01-24-2013, 03:59 PM         #10853
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 F.A.M.E.M.O.B. said:
The incompetency in your intelligence doesn't warrant a response
Yet you responded anyway

 5 years ago '04        #10854
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 Cheeze said:
Yet you responded anyway

 5 years ago '11        #10855
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 Cheeze said:
Yet you responded anyway

 5 years ago '04        #10856
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 Cheeze said:
Yet you responded anyway

Hahahhaa


Epic fail
 5 years ago '05        #10857
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A couple of Thursday updates:

1) In the wake of the NCAA's embarrassing revelation this week, UM intends to push hard for a settlement with the NCAA, provided president Mark Emmert is willing (which is questionable) and provided the terms are fair and friendly to UM, according to multiple sources.

"They haven't come to us," one UM official said of the NCAA. But "it's smart to get something done. We've suffered plenty. They would negotiate something reasonable."

But it would be highly unusual for a settlement to happen. Typically, a school receives its notice of allegations, then responds three months or so later in front of the infractions committee.

NCAA President Mark Emmert would need to make the decision to circumvent that process in this case.

The upside for Emmert to do that: Putting this embarrassment behind him. If UM goes in front of the infractions committee, the NCAA would likely be subjected to more negative publicity because UM would point out evidence that could be tied to improper investigative practices by the NCAA.

The downside: A settlement with UM would anger other schools that were not afforded the same opportunity. Also, Emmert said the depositions in question --- the ones that will be tossed out -- were only a small fraction of the evidence against UM.

If the NCAA is willing to do a settlement, UM --- which already has self-imposed two bowl bans -- might be willing to accept very modest scholarship reductions, according to the speculation of a UM official. But we haven't gotten to that point, so it's premature to say anything conclusive about what UM would be willing to offer.

John Infante, a widely-quoted NCAA expert, said he doubts Emmert will be willing to do a settlement. But UM will at least broach the issue.

2) Offensive coordinator James Coley informed FSU he is leaving to take the same job at UM, according to multiple sources. An announcement could come today.

FSU agreed to match - but not surpass - UM's $500,000 offer. But FSU would not allow him to call plays; Fisher enjoys doing that himself.

At UM, Coley will run the offense and call plays. He has called plays only one season in his life - for a talent-deficient FIU team that finished 1-11.

Coley, a Miami High graduate, also liked the idea of returning home to Miami, where he has family.

Coley's move also should help UM in recruiting.

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Wednesday night update: Coley and NCAA news fallout:



Manny Navarro and I have confirmed that FSU offensive coordinator James Coley has interviewed with Al Golden and has told multiple people that he has been offered the UM offensive coordinator job. Coley is very intrigued because he would get to call plays - something he wouldn't be able to do at FSU.

One friend of Coley told me he expects Coley will take the UM job, while another said Coley indicated he had not decided as of Thursday afternoon.

FSU has agreed to match the $500,000 that Coley says UM would pay him, but Jimbo Fisher will not allow him to call plays. And Coley wants to call plays. Still, Fisher has been trying hard to pursuade him to stay.
### I've spent part of the afternoon re-reading Sean Allen's 170-plus page deposition with Nevin Shapiro's attorney to determine exactly what evidence from Allen will be tossed out if the NCAA removes that deposition from its case against UM, as NCAA President Mark Emmert indicated would be the case.

Here's my story on that topic:

Sounding very much like an NCAA investigator, the attorney for Nevin Shapiro sat across the table from former UM equipment manager Sean Allen and peppered him with dozens of questions about alleged NCAA rules violations involving the University of Miami.

In the process of that deposition 13 months ago, attorney Maria Elena Perez extracted considerable incriminating information against UM – information that Allen has said he never would have disclosed if he had not been under oath.

The deposition was taken under the auspices of a bankruptcy court hearing – a proceeding designed to recoup money that Shapiro took from investors in a $900 million Ponzi scheme that led to Shapiro being sentenced to a 20-year jail term.

But a review of the deposition on Wednesday revealed that many of Perez’s questions had nothing to do with financial issues, and dozens had more to do with alleged violations by UM than any attempts to trace money that could be recouped.

That deposition with Allen --- and another Perez deposition with former sports agent Michael Huyghue – likely will be removed from the NCAA’s evidence against UM presuming an NCAA investigation confirms its belief that the information was improperly obtained, NCAA president Mark Emmert indicated Wednesday.

Perez submitted a bill for payment to the NCAA --- which the NCAA would consider a conflict because she was representing Shapiro.

What’s potentially problematic for UM, however, is that Allen met with the NCAA after that deposition and was asked to recap and confirm allegations that he made during the deposition. It’s unclear if Allen’s responses during that interview will be used.

Allen met with the NCAA in August 2011 but previously told The Miami Herald that he was not truthful during that meeting. He said he was truthful during the deposition only because he was under oath.

Among the highlights of what Allen told Perez in the deposition, which Allen said was attended by an NCAA official:
### Asked by Perez if he ever witnessed Shapiro paying money to UM football or basketball players, Allen said: “Yes. I don’t remember the specifics. It was relatively small amounts… low hundreds.”

He also said: “I vaguely remember Nevin giving [former UM running back] Tyrone Moss some sort of money for his baby or something like that.”

#### Allen said Shapiro gave him $3000 to entertain Ray-Ray Armstrong, Dyron Dye and Andre DuBose during an unofficial recruiting visit to UM. “Nevin said, ‘Take those guys out to a strip club and make sure they have a good time,’” Allen said. Armstrong and Dye ultimately attended UM; DuBose went to Florida.

### During the deposition, Perez presented numerous pictures to Allen showing Shapiro with several UM coaches and players, including basketball coach Frank Haith, a.ssistant coach Jake Morton and football players Kellen Winslow, D.J. Williams and others.

Asked if Shapiro provided entertainment to UM players, Allen said: “Yes. Kellen, D.J. We would go on the boat. There would normally be food and drinks on the boat. They would go out to the club occasionally with Nevin.”

### Allen said he gave money to UM players who were being recruited by Axcess Sports, an agency co-owned by Shapiro and Huyghue. Allen confirmed those players included Tavares Gooden, Jon Beason and Devin Hester. “We’re talking small amounts of cash, maybe $50 here, because it was my own money.”

### Asked Shapiro’s motivation in giving players money, Allen said: “One, I think he enjoyed being around them. The other part is he ultimately wanted them to sign with Axcess Sports.”

### Allen, who worked for Axcess, said he brought UM players to Shapiro on behalf of Axcess, including Gooden, Hester and Kyle Wright. “I’m sure I’m missing someone. It was more bringing them around Nevin, and he was the one that would talk to them about that sort of stuff.”

### Allen told Perez that Shapiro would give money to the winners of bowling events at Lucky Strikes on Miami Beach, and UM players participated in those tournaments.

### Asked if he ever took players to Shapiro’s suite, Allen said: “Yes, one time that I remember: Jeffrey Godfrey and I believe Teddy Bridgewater was with him.” Both were high school players at the time, and neither attended UM.

“Miami was never serious about [Godfrey],” Allen said. “Jeff and I were at Nevin’s house one time and I remember Nevin giving him a pair of old white used sneakers. I want to say Nevin gave me $100 or something and said, ‘Go out to eat.”

### Allen said said he took Bridgewater to meet with UM coach Al Golden soon after Golden took the job.

### Allen said he “can say with certainty that Nevin paid” for a meals and a strip club outing with Haith and Morton.

### Perez repeatedly pressed Allen after he said he had no recollection of giving or witnessing Shapiro giving Morton $10,000, money that Shapiro claimed was ultimately to be forwarded to a family member of basketball player DeQuan Jones.

“I don’t want to trick you,” Perez said at one point. “I just want to understand what you’re saying.” Allen said: “I don’t remember doing it…. Possible it could have happened. I just really don’t remember.”

### Allen told Perez that Shapiro “had me take [former UM quarterback] Robert Marve to look at Escalades; Robert was paying for it.” He also said he saw former UM defensive back Randy Phillips at Shapiro’s home “multiple times.”

The deposition with Huyghue did not produce any significant incriminating information against Miami, according to a Herald analysis of the document.

Gary Freedman, a partner in the firm that is serving as the bankruptcy trustee in the case, said he was not aware that Perez was allegedly being paid by the NCAA until the news broke Wednesday.

“That was a shock to me,” he said. “I a.ssumed anything she was doing was being done for the benefit of the client. [Allen and Huyghue] could have objected to the subpoena. I don’t believe they did.”

Freedman said the depositions with Allen and Huyghue were the only ones that Perez conducted and “we have not used the transcripts to try to recover money. We haven’t found the need.” The trustee has recouped $35 million in the case, Freedman said.

Though Freedman and partner Joel Tabas were aware the depositions were conducted, Freedman said Perez did not need their permission to do them.

He said in the Southern District of Florida, attorneys can issue subpoenas in bankruptcy court without the court’s permission. “Maria was representing Nevin,” Freedman said. “She wasn’t representing us.”
Asked if what Perez did was wrong, Freedman said: “I don’t know. I don’t know the agreement she had with her client or the NCAA. It wasn’t on my radar screen. As far as getting mad, it doesn’t affect anything we’re doing. [But] it could be a distraction.”



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 5 years ago '05        #10858
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Like I said, what you saying we getting all these recruits would be like us winning the lotto

Cane fans would be ecstatic with Collins, Thomas and ne other dude

We still have to wait and see if golden is even gonna open up the scholies up
We can't get commitments from all them without scholarships opening up


Then there's nsd, seeing who actually signs Loi
And just for measure the shalala wild card, who's gonna qualify academically

 5 years ago '04        #10859
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Golden just pulled off his vesion of the Godfather Baptism scene
 5 years ago '05        #10860
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fu*k you f*ggots
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