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 08-18-2011, 03:10 PM         #8641
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 FSU_CANE561 said:
This is a great read from a former walk-on. just thought i'd share

Former University of Miami offensive lineman Adam Bates wrote this in regards to the NCAA amid the investigation regarding UM. Bates, who hails from Deer Creek, Oklahoma, was a walk-on at UM from 2003-05. He received a B.A degree in Political Science at the University of Miami and a law degree and Master's in Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Michigan.


I want to talk about the hypocrisy of the NCAA and, by extension, its constituent school administrations; the very people that have enriched themselves so shamelessly on the backs of the kids theyíre soon to righteously delight in punishing.

First, a little background: I had it easy at the University of Miami, and it often felt like it was too much to bear. I had an easier time in class than most of my teammates, and far less was expected of me on the football field. I went to school on academic money and I played football because I wanted to and because I had played my whole life, not because it was the only way for me to get through school or make a better life for myself and my family. I canít speak about what itís like to be a high profile recruit, an All-American, or a future NFL star and the pressures such statuses entail. But I can tell you this: college football is a grind.

The NCAA says players put in twenty hours a week. Anybody who has spent any time around a college program knows that sixty is a better number. Then add twelve to fifteen hours a week of class on top of that. Seventy-five hours a week, in exchange for a stipend mathematically designed to make your ends almost meet.

The president of the NCAA makes more than $1 million a year. Any head coach worth his salt is making two or three times that. Talking heads at ESPN/ABC/CBS and the presidents of most major institutions join them in the seven digit salary club.

Thatís what this is really about, and people have to understand that. Why is it a problem for AJ Green to sell his jersey when the NCAA sells 22 variations of the very same jersey? Why canít Terrelle Pryor get some free ink from a fan? Why donít people react the same way to that as they do to hearing that Peyton Manning is selling phones for Sprint or that Tiger Woods gets paid $100m to wear Nike gear? Whatís the difference?

The difference, as far as I can tell, is that the NCAA has done a wonderful job duping people into believing this multi-billion dollar a year industry is pursued for the sake of amateurism. Itís a total sham. The coaches arenít amateurs, the administrators arenít amateurs, the corporate sponsors and media companies that make hundreds of millions of dollars a year on the backs of these players arenít amateurs. The only "amateursĒ involved are the guys doing all the work. Pretty nice racket if you can get it.

The NCAA and ESPN are going to be telling you that some great kids are scumbags because they allegedly broke rules designed to keep them poor and implemented by people making money hand over fist. An ESPN shill in a $5,000 suit is going to ask you to morally condemn the kids who provide the framework for said shill to make enough money to afford that suit because those kids might have taken some free food and drinks. They're going to be called "cheaters" despite the obvious fact that boat trips don't make you run any faster or hit any harder.

Oklahoma gives Bob Stoops $3 million a year and nobody blinks. A car dealership in Norman gives Rhett Bomar a couple hundred bucks and everyone wets themselves. Urban Meyer sat on TV this very day, making approximately $1,500 an hour to sit there and flap his lips, and was asked to judge a bunch of 20 year old kids for allegedly accepting free food and drinks and party invites.

Is that immense delusion intentional or do people actually not realize the hypocrisy they perpetuate?

Whatís that you say? The rules are the rules? I call b.s.. When the rules are propagated by the very same people theyíre designed to benefit, I say the rules must be independently justifiable. What is the justification for saying that AJ Green canít sell his jersey? That he wonít be an ďamateurĒ anymore? Doesnít the scholarship itself render him no longer an amateur by any objective definition? Doesnít the fact that Georgia spent hundreds of millions of dollars advertising itself to AJ Green render him no longer an amateur? Doesnít he stop being an amateur when UGA promises him that his career at Georgia will net him NFL millions? Doesnít the fact that millions of dollars change hands thanks to the service he provides make him not an amateur?

Is it because athletes should be treated like other students, lest they not appreciate the ďcollege experience?Ē Other kids get to sell their belongings, donít they? They get to go to parties and drink and throw themselves at women, donít they? They get to have jobs and earn their worth, donít they? And other kids don't spend sixty hours a week having their bodies broken or their spring mornings running themselves to death in the dew in the dark.

Itís nonsense. Unmitigated, indefensible nonsense. The players are ďamateursĒ for the simple reason that theyíre cheaper to employ that way. What is bad about giving a poor kid some money to spend? What is wrong with showing your appreciation for the service someone provides by giving them some benefit of their own? Iím supposed to believe itís wrong because the NCAA says it is?

These players are worth far more than a free trip to the strip club and a trip around the bay on a yacht. AJ Green is worth more to the NCAA and the University of Georgia than the cost of his jersey, and Terrelle Pryor is worth more than the value of a tattoo.

I donít know much about players taking ďillegal benefits,Ē and if I did I wouldnít be snitching about it like a lowlife, but I can tell you this: I hope to the bottom of my soul that every player in America is on the take, because theyíre getting shafted. The powers that be make too much money this way to ever change, and the rest of the country seems far too committed to delusions, institutional partisanship, and jealousy to see their own glass houses, so take what you can get while you can get it, youngbloods. You earned it.
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 canesin2099 said:
Former University of Miami offensive lineman Adam Bates wrote this in regards to the NCAA amid the investigation regarding UM. Bates, who hails from Deer Creek, Oklahoma, was a walk-on at UM from 2003-05. He received a B.A degree in Political Science at the University of Miami and a law degree and Master's in Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Michigan.


I want to talk about the hypocrisy of the NCAA and, by extension, its constituent school administrations; the very people that have enriched themselves so shamelessly on the backs of the kids theyíre soon to righteously delight in punishing.

First, a little background: I had it easy at the University of Miami, and it often felt like it was too much to bear. I had an easier time in class than most of my teammates, and far less was expected of me on the football field. I went to school on academic money and I played football because I wanted to and because I had played my whole life, not because it was the only way for me to get through school or make a better life for myself and my family. I canít speak about what itís like to be a high profile recruit, an All-American, or a future NFL star and the pressures such statuses entail. But I can tell you this: college football is a grind.

The NCAA says players put in twenty hours a week. Anybody who has spent any time around a college program knows that sixty is a better number. Then add twelve to fifteen hours a week of class on top of that. Seventy-five hours a week, in exchange for a stipend mathematically designed to make your ends almost meet.

The president of the NCAA makes more than $1 million a year. Any head coach worth his salt is making two or three times that. Talking heads at ESPN/ABC/CBS and the presidents of most major institutions join them in the seven digit salary club.

Thatís what this is really about, and people have to understand that. Why is it a problem for AJ Green to sell his jersey when the NCAA sells 22 variations of the very same jersey? Why canít Terrelle Pryor get some free ink from a fan? Why donít people react the same way to that as they do to hearing that Peyton Manning is selling phones for Sprint or that Tiger Woods gets paid $100m to wear Nike gear? Whatís the difference?

The difference, as far as I can tell, is that the NCAA has done a wonderful job duping people into believing this multi-billion dollar a year industry is pursued for the sake of amateurism. Itís a total sham. The coaches arenít amateurs, the administrators arenít amateurs, the corporate sponsors and media companies that make hundreds of millions of dollars a year on the backs of these players arenít amateurs. The only "amateursĒ involved are the guys doing all the work. Pretty nice racket if you can get it.

The NCAA and ESPN are going to be telling you that some great kids are scumbags because they allegedly broke rules designed to keep them poor and implemented by people making money hand over fist. An ESPN shill in a $5,000 suit is going to ask you to morally condemn the kids who provide the framework for said shill to make enough money to afford that suit because those kids might have taken some free food and drinks. They're going to be called "cheaters" despite the obvious fact that boat trips don't make you run any faster or hit any harder.

Oklahoma gives Bob Stoops $3 million a year and nobody blinks. A car dealership in Norman gives Rhett Bomar a couple hundred bucks and everyone wets themselves. Urban Meyer sat on TV this very day, making approximately $1,500 an hour to sit there and flap his lips, and was asked to judge a bunch of 20 year old kids for allegedly accepting free food and drinks and party invites.

Is that immense delusion intentional or do people actually not realize the hypocrisy they perpetuate?

Whatís that you say? The rules are the rules? I call b.s.. When the rules are propagated by the very same people theyíre designed to benefit, I say the rules must be independently justifiable. What is the justification for saying that AJ Green canít sell his jersey? That he wonít be an ďamateurĒ anymore? Doesnít the scholarship itself render him no longer an amateur by any objective definition? Doesnít the fact that Georgia spent hundreds of millions of dollars advertising itself to AJ Green render him no longer an amateur? Doesnít he stop being an amateur when UGA promises him that his career at Georgia will net him NFL millions? Doesnít the fact that millions of dollars change hands thanks to the service he provides make him not an amateur?

Is it because athletes should be treated like other students, lest they not appreciate the ďcollege experience?Ē Other kids get to sell their belongings, donít they? They get to go to parties and drink and throw themselves at women, donít they? They get to have jobs and earn their worth, donít they? And other kids don't spend sixty hours a week having their bodies broken or their spring mornings running themselves to death in the dew in the dark.

Itís nonsense. Unmitigated, indefensible nonsense. The players are ďamateursĒ for the simple reason that theyíre cheaper to employ that way. What is bad about giving a poor kid some money to spend? What is wrong with showing your appreciation for the service someone provides by giving them some benefit of their own? Iím supposed to believe itís wrong because the NCAA says it is?

These players are worth far more than a free trip to the strip club and a trip around the bay on a yacht. AJ Green is worth more to the NCAA and the University of Georgia than the cost of his jersey, and Terrelle Pryor is worth more than the value of a tattoo.

I donít know much about players taking ďillegal benefits,Ē and if I did I wouldnít be snitching about it like a lowlife, but I can tell you this: I hope to the bottom of my soul that every player in America is on the take, because theyíre getting shafted. The powers that be make too much money this way to ever change, and the rest of the country seems far too committed to delusions, institutional partisanship, and jealousy to see their own glass houses, so take what you can get while you can get it, youngbloods. You earned it.
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 7 years ago '04        #8643
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Man I feel like all the hate is empowering me right now and I feel really good about our chances and beating this. Just as one big fu*k you to everybody.
 7 years ago '05        #8644
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 7 years ago '05        #8645
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Can't post the whole article since it's long but it's a good read.
 08-18-2011, 07:18 PM         #8646
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Can't post the whole article since it's long but it's a good read.
Yeah a couple of really good articles he/she wrote. Some of the blatant misinformation/misrepresentation from Yahoo is exposed for sure.
 08-18-2011, 07:28 PM         #8647
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Oh and Duke gonna be my fave Cane ever!!!!!!!
 08-18-2011, 08:35 PM         #8648
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That kid right there is a rare breed.

Duke gunna be something special!
 7 years ago '05        #8649
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some fans at the dolphins preseason game

 7 years ago '05        #8650
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Duke enjoy not playing on a football team maybe you can try their badminton team..... where Da U is goin nobody comes back
 7 years ago '05        #8651
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Tyrone Moss Denies Booster's Claims
Former Hurricane Player Disputes Yahoo Report
POSTED: Sunday, August 21, 2011

POMPANO BEACH, Fla. -- Former Hurricanes running back Tyrone Moss told Local 10 he did not accept a $1,000 payment from former booster Nevin Shapiro, who's at the center of an NCAA investigation into the Miami football program.

Moss was one of dozens of Hurricanes players named by Shapiro in an investigation by Yahoo! Sports, which triggered a probe at the school.

Shapiro alleged he provided a handful of extra benefits to Moss during his career with the Hurricanes, including a $1,000 cash payment on his first meeting with Moss and entertainment on Shapiroís $1.6 million yacht.

Moss told Local 10 "I wanted to clear the air and let everyone know Iíve never received 1,000 dollars from Nevin Shapiro. Nor have I ever been on his boat or anything like that. Someone has taken my name and tried to destroy my name. I have always been loyal to Miami. Miami is a great place. Miami has been good to my family and good to me. I had some of my best years at the University of Miami. I just wanted to clear the air and make a statement that I have never taken any money or been on any boat like that. For something like this to happen is just crazy."
Moss added, "I donít care how it was quoted, I donít care how it was written or I donít care how it was said. But just to let everyone know, I have never been involved with Nevin. I have no ties to Nevin. I have never taken any money from him, and I have never been on that guyís boat. I just wanted to clear the air, because a lot of people around here are saying this, saying that. What did you say, what did you talk about? I havenít talked to anybody. I have not had direct contact with anybody. Iím tired of the rumors and things like that. The last few days have been crazy around here for me. I just wanted to clear the air and let everyone know I Iove Miami. I went to school there and had 4 great years there. I would never bash Miami in any type of way or talk negative about Miami. Basically, he (Shapiro)wants attention. Thatís all."

Copyright 2011 by Post-Newsweek Stations. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

ykno them goons paid a visit
 7 years ago '05        #8652
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Clintt Hurtt and Aubrey Hill in the clear and

Both coaches have stated that what was published by Yahoo never happened. To further verify their statements The parents of the players involved stated that on each recruiting trip they were with their children the entire time. Proof has been provided that this was in fact true. So you have Shapiro's word vs Coaches, players, and parents who provided proof
some in scouts premium site, and vernon been cleared too

 7 years ago '04        #8653
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The story crumbling more and more as the days go by
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We won't be posting audio of Tyrone Moss' interview. It was played for Miami Herald and verified by @ smillerdegnan.
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 7 years ago '04        #8655
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and damn moss got fat as fukk
 08-21-2011, 10:19 PM         #8656
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Charles Robinson bout to be out a job :tohah:
 7 years ago '05        #8657
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In the tape that was played for The Herald, Moss was asked, “That $1,000, did he [Shapiro] hit you with that the first time he met you?’

Responded Moss: “Yeah, it was me and some other players with my incoming [class]. I’m not going to say the names, but you can probably figure them out yourself. When I was getting there my freshman year, it was me and a couple more players. … It was me and a few more of the guys in my incoming class that he kind of showed love to.’’

The second part of the tape that was played for The Herald on Sunday dealt with Axcess Sports agency. “Nevin basically was the front man,’’ Moss said on the tape. “Nevin got to be close one-on-one with a player. And when it was time to actually come out into the draft, it was like ‘You’re rolling with me and that agent.’ And the thing is, it was almost like he had given so much to where it was like you gotta ride with him with most players. That’s how that was.’’

Moss, 26, said Sunday he didn’t need the money because both his parents had good jobs, and still do, and provided him with financial help for his then infant son. They were not home Sunday.

“My parents worked. I don’t need $1,000,’’ Moss said. “…I have no reason to beg or ask anyone for any type of money. That’s not allowed.’’

Moss said he had neither been contacted by the NCAA nor UM regarding the investigation. He also said he isn’t concerned about lawyers for a federal bankruptcy trustee trying to recover $1,000.

“If they try to recover money there’s no need to contact me,’’ Moss said. “There’s nothing proving or showing he has given me $1,000.’


never in the audio, did he ever say he took the money, i guess if you can interpret "hit" as an offer but nothing more



crosses tyrone moss out of my sh*t list


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 08-21-2011, 11:30 PM         #8658
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 Deeangoe said:
never in the audio, did he ever say he took the money, i guess if you can interpret "hit" as an offer but nothing more



crosses tyrone moss out of my sh*t list
yo you gotta post this in the SC.

People gonna be HEATED
 7 years ago '05        #8659
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posting as i see it....dequan jones alledged 10g payout


according to shapiro he made a payment for 2008, when he was signed and commited in 2007

im running out of bx smileys as each allegation is debunked

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School Interest Offer Visit Recruited by
Miami (FL) COMMITTED (09/02/2007) Offered 09/01/2007
Cincinnati None Offered None
 7 years ago '05        #8660
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man i dunno wtf is up, i been trying to edit my post ^^^^^^

the payout was alledged to secure his recruitment
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