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 09-14-2006, 08:33 PM         #26
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Life After death had to many fillers

 12 years ago '05        #27
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 *MOB*STAR* said
nah his lyrics was fiction
it shouldnt matter if they were fact or fiction.........its how u put them together that makes u a good rapper....if u lie about sh*t it doesnt take away from ur skills.........it makes u a liar........but not a worse rapper........

 12 years ago '06        #28
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 daliff89 said


it shouldnt matter if they were fact or fiction.........its how u put them together that makes u a good rapper....if u lie about sh*t it doesnt take away from ur skills.........it makes u a liar........but not a worse rapper........
but wayne do it and its wrong

 12 years ago '05        #29
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what are you talking about???

 09-14-2006, 08:37 PM         #30
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 *MOB*STAR* said
but wayne do it and its wrong
see this is turnin into a good conversation and not just me and daliff goin at it.

 12 years ago '06        #31
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 daliff89 said
what are you talking about???
because people get on wayne cause he aint live what he spit

 12 years ago '05        #32
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people can do what they want.......im not them........just because ur saying u did things u didnt do doesnt make u a worse rapper........it just makes u dishonest.....nothing more........i dont care if Bigge or Wayne shot 83 people in the head........if they made a song about it and it was lyrically well put together then i'd like it........wether it was true or not.......

 12 years ago '06        #33
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yeah but back to biggie he wasnt the greatest but he was a good artist

 12 years ago '06        #34
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what so i can drop one album and become a goat

 12 years ago '06        #35
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 joeyb8420 said
damn wut a dumb question... listen 2 him freestyle , greatest flow, dropped 2 classics, and died at the top, u tell me why hes the greatest

What's so impressive about that? I mean anybody can do that. Plus dropping 2 classics isn't that big of an accomplishment. Biggie had a 3 year gap just to follow up with his Ready 2 Die classic with another one. And if that's the case then Eminem would've been the goat had he died after the Marshall Mathers LP.

 12 years ago '06        #36
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 Unitson said
What's so impressive about that? I mean anybody can do that. Plus dropping 2 classics isn't that big of an accomplishment. Biggie had a 3 year gap just to follow up with his Ready 2 Die classic with another one. And if that's the case then Eminem would've been the goat had he died after the Marshall Mathers LP.
see somebody knows something

 12 years ago '06        #37
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@ sum1 being the greatest for droppin 2 lp's and sum freestyles. the whole BK and peeps sayin biggie is the greatest is in denial. i feel u unitson. ny be tryin not to give pac his props forreal. but hey it's their opinion, but they know there livin a lie.


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 12 years ago '06        #38
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 waytoomuch said
@ sum1 being the greatest for droppin 2 lp's and sum freestyles. the whole BK and peeps sayin biggie is the greatest is in denial. but hey it's their opinion, but they know there livin a lie.
yes co-sign

 12 years ago '04        #39
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You can really say all the "Big got his style from Pac" stuff all you want, but you can't possibly think that their styles were similar. So regardless of where Biggie's style came from, if they prefered his style, they'd consider him the better rapper. That just seems like simple logic to me...

Also, Big was better than Pac from a technical standpoint. Better flow, more creative rhyme schemes, sicker lyricism. Hands down. You can say "everybody has that now", but who cares? Nobody had it then. That's what made him great. It's like he said in an interview, before he came out, n*ggas like the Fu Shnickens and Das EFX was at the top of the game, and they didn't even use real words... Big brought lyricism that hadn't been seen before like that.

Now, whether or not you think he's better than Pac, that's just a matter of opinion. Personally, I consider Big the better rapper. Pac was more of an icon, and IMO, an infinitely more important person than Big could have even hoped to be, but strictly as an MC? Chris Wallace. Hands down.

Even when Pac rapped, his greatness wasn't about him being a great rapper so much as it was about the topics he chose to speak on, and the insight he had as a person. His raps weren't that great though. He'd have been just as prolific if he spoke his sh*t in regular prose. Rap just gave him a much bigger audience. He wasn't that great of an MC though. He did make great rap songs, but it had nothing to do with his rapping ability.

Seriously, I prefer watching Pac interviews to listening to his songs.


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 09-14-2006, 09:05 PM         #40
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he was real n versatile..while other rappers from then to now that fell off or are in the process of fallin off are generic as water

 09-14-2006, 09:08 PM         #41
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 TizOnly1 said
You can really say all the "Big got his style from Pac" stuff all you want, but you can't possibly think that their styles were similar. So regardless of where Biggie's style came from, if they prefered his style, they'd consider him the better rapper. That just seems like simple logic to me...

Also, Big was better than Pac from a technical standpoint. Better flow, more creative rhyme schemes, sicker lyricism. Hands down. You can say "everybody has that now", but who cares? Nobody had it then. That's what made him great. It's like he said in an interview, before he came out, n*ggas like the Fu Shnickens and Das EFX was at the top of the game, and they didn't even use real words... Big brought lyricism that hadn't been seen before like that.

Now, whether or not you think he's better than Pac, that's just a matter of opinion. Personally, I consider Big the better rapper. Pac was more of an icon, and IMO, an infinitely more important person than Big could have even hoped to be, but strictly as an MC? Chris Wallace. Hands down.

Even when Pac rapped, his greatness wasn't about him being a great rapper so much as it was about the topics he chose to speak on, and the insight he had as a person. His raps weren't that great though. He'd have been just as prolific if he spoke his sh*t in regular prose. Rap just gave him a much bigger audience. He wasn't that great of an MC though. He did make great rap songs, but it had nothing to do with his rapping ability.

Seriously, I prefer watching Pac interviews to listening to his songs.
how can u say strictly as an mc and only talk about lyrics? being an mc is more than lyrics and ryhme shcemes.

 12 years ago '04        #42
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 Hotboy504 said
how can u say strictly as an mc and only talk about lyrics? being an mc is more than lyrics and ryhme shcemes.
That's the crux of it though. And don't act like Big didn't speak on important sh*t. Listen to Ready to Die and tell me that. Please.

Obviously, on a label ran by Puff, "Everyday Struggle" isn't gonna make it as a single, but it was there. "Things Done Change" wasn't gonna be the B-Side to Big Poppa, but it was on the album.

Again, Pac was prolific. Yes. No denying that (why would you even want to?). But that doesn't make him the best rapper ever. It just makes him a very intelligent, profound, thoughtful person that happened to rap. If Malcolm X decided to say everything he ever said in rhyme form, that doesn't make him a great rapper just because he was profound, powerful, etc. If he doesn't have the top tier flow, lyricism, etc. to back it up, it just makes him a profound person that happens to rap.

If Pac decided to sing, his subject matter wouldn't make him the best singer ever. Being a good singer requires certain properties, just like being a great rapper. Pac, IMO, did not exhibit these qualities in the same way that other rappers did. Obviously, his subject matter accounts for something, which is why nobody would take Pac out of their top 5, but for the number one spot? Nah... You gotta come harder as an MC. Simple as that.

 12 years ago '06        #43
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being an mc is about more than skills but people mix it up. when I listen to biggie, I hear pac influence all over him. Big borrowed plenty from pac. and to people saying that Pac wasn't that nice, I'll put a B.I.G quote up here, so you could see what Biggie thought about Pac's lyrics.

 12 years ago '04        #44
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Who cares what Big thought about Pac's lyrics?

Just because I think Big was a good rapper doesn't mean I respect everything he says about rap, like he's God or something...

Michael Jordan drafted Kwame Brown.

Dead that argument...

 12 years ago '06        #45
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big was iight

 09-14-2006, 09:26 PM         #46
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b/c lyrically he is 10x better then every rapper besides Pac

 12 years ago '06        #47
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lmao...........

 09-14-2006, 09:32 PM         #48
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 TizOnly1 said
That's the crux of it though. And don't act like Big didn't speak on important sh*t. Listen to Ready to Die and tell me that. Please.

Obviously, on a label ran by Puff, "Everyday Struggle" isn't gonna make it as a single, but it was there. "Things Done Change" wasn't gonna be the B-Side to Big Poppa, but it was on the album.

Again, Pac was prolific. Yes. No denying that (why would you even want to?). But that doesn't make him the best rapper ever. It just makes him a very intelligent, profound, thoughtful person that happened to rap. If Malcolm X decided to say everything he ever said in rhyme form, that doesn't make him a great rapper just because he was profound, powerful, etc. If he doesn't have the top tier flow, lyricism, etc. to back it up, it just makes him a profound person that happens to rap.

If Pac decided to sing, his subject matter wouldn't make him the best singer ever. Being a good singer requires certain properties, just like being a great rapper. Pac, IMO, did not exhibit these qualities in the same way that other rappers did. Obviously, his subject matter accounts for something, which is why nobody would take Pac out of their top 5, but for the number one spot? Nah... You gotta come harder as an MC. Simple as that.
see singin and rappin is different. and i dont think u know the difference between bein a rapper and a mc. rappin was built to reach out to people and say real sh*t. plus if it was all about what ur talkin about then y have beats? they'll just go acapella. and ur theory on malcom has nothin to do wit this. its a bad comparison. now everyone know if pac didnt tell biggie what to rap about and how to come on a track then noone would say that he was better. he proby would be on some drugs money hoes sh*t. just like cam'ron ands the lox. if pac used crazy rhyme schemes he would have reached to all the people he did. plus come on. big did take 3 years in between albums and pac did one n a week and another n 2 weeks. i wonder how long it took him to do his first 3?

 12 years ago '06        #49
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 TizOnly1 said
Who cares what Big thought about Pac's lyrics?

Just because I think Big was a good rapper doesn't mean I respect everything he says about rap, like he's God or something...

Michael Jordan drafted Kwame Brown.

Dead that argument...

u c this is what I don't like about hip hop fans. people don't respect difference and creativity. if u had it u're way, all rappers would be like zombies with the same old wordplay, metaphors, and all that other stuff to make you go "aghh". Pac had his own approach to being an mc that was original. u say he doesn't have much of the technical aspects, but funny enuff his flow, vocabulary, and so many other things are the most bitten. sure u might not appreciate it but don't take away from the man and say he didn't have it or say he lacked in that department just because u don't feel it. pac had about 50 different styles of flow, spit triples and doubles, and used so many undermined aspects of rhyming, but it's overlooked just because he didn't focus in the figurative language dept. I think it's ashamed that hip hop fans like u overlooke the man's lyricism just because they want punchlines all day. if pac wanted to be about lyrics, he could've did that, but he chose to stay away from that route because he knew he'd be so complicated that cats wouldn't understand and his message would get lost in the midst. I mean what's so bad about keeping it simple. this is why NY has fallen off. because the rappers from ny focus on lyrics so much that the music is wack. pac could care less about lyrics. he didn't come in the rap game to be the nicest. he knew if the music was good cats would listen. and that's what he did.


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 12 years ago '04        #50
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He Was A Great Rapper But Hes Far From The Greatest...........a 2 Album Catalog And 1 Arguably Classic Album Dont Make You The Greatest.........big Got Overrated The Same Way Pac Did After He Died

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