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 07-26-2006, 10:53 PM         #126
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 Greetings said
Again you need to understand that it's easy for you to sit down and judge and tell people how to live their lives from behind your keyboard. the fact is there are many many more variables to poverty than what anyone has yet mentioned in this thread. You all are oversimplifying poverty that's why we disagree with you.

Then enlighten us, list out the other variables that can't be overcame through dedication and hardwork?

 07-26-2006, 11:03 PM         #127
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 I-Moc said
Then enlighten us, list out the other variables that can't be overcame through dedication and hardwork?

yeah, please do

 07-26-2006, 11:42 PM         #128
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 Greetings said
Again you need to understand that it's easy for you to sit down and judge and tell people how to live their lives from behind your keyboard. the fact is there are many many more variables to poverty than what anyone has yet mentioned in this thread. You all are oversimplifying poverty that's why we disagree with you.
and again ... i never said it was easy for those born into poverty ... *keeps tally of the # of times he has said that in this thread * going on to 52 now

 07-27-2006, 12:11 AM         #129
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 rhymespitter84 said
yo this sh*t is so true you dont even know family


my girl probably gonna get mad at me, but in Connecticut

there's only 6% tax
everything is cheaper


tell me you can get "Cable TV, High Speed DSL, AND, phone service" for $75 a month!!! but you paying more than $50 for the cable package in the city, you paying at least $30-$40 for a decent Cable/DSL connection.

Im not saying everybody in CT is rich, but it is a weathly state, as far as income goes, so why are they paying LESS for stuff than in big cities where the average income is much much smaller???

its fu*ked up man. FREE YOUR MOTHERfu*kING MINDS PEOPLE.
what part of CT is that

 07-27-2006, 12:58 AM         #130
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 I-Moc said
Wonder makes a good point with the government needs to step in but I think they do that in the form of welfare and housing projects, and Links makes a point that you can't let that be the end of the road for you. You can't just settle with a job that gets you by. You gotta have that hunger, that drive to be more and to get more. And that mind state isn't limited to poor people either, it just hurts them the most. But I know of some middle class people who are pullin in just enough to get them by, but yet they always complaining bout bein broke. Suggest workin more hours and they look at you like you crazy....some people are just lazy i guess.
i didnt know that welfare checks and housing projects stops innocent kids from getting shot on their way home from school. how bout the government do better against the people that commit these crimes on innocent people with their police force? huh how bout that. my city has 64 murders this year and in july last year there was only 55 murders so what does that say. 18 high school kids were k!lled in 18 months and 14 of them were honor students in my city that were going to go to good colleges but thanks to the increased crime they get k!lled. got ne rags to riches statements to make for that, i didnt think so. and u said the gov did that in the form of projects as help wen projects increased crime but the government will never understand and neither will yall because yall continue to look at the people in the hood as the same wen its just certain people that make it dangerous for others seeking a better life and like I said and im going to say it again a person shouldnt have to dodge bullets in order to come home from school to achieve a better life. the governments job is to keep innocent people in the city state etc safe. but they dont do that and therefore it becomes almost impossible or IMPOSSIBLE for some1 to make a better life.(now this isnt everybody but this happens to many people in bad communities) dumb fu*ks

 07-27-2006, 09:12 AM         #131
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 crmlbywonder said
i didnt know that welfare checks and housing projects stops innocent kids from getting shot on their way home from school. how bout the government do better against the people that commit these crimes on innocent people with their police force? huh how bout that. my city has 64 murders this year and in july last year there was only 55 murders so what does that say. 18 high school kids were k!lled in 18 months and 14 of them were honor students in my city that were going to go to good colleges but thanks to the increased crime they get k!lled. got ne rags to riches statements to make for that, i didnt think so. and u said the gov did that in the form of projects as help wen projects increased crime but the government will never understand and neither will yall because yall continue to look at the people in the hood as the same wen its just certain people that make it dangerous for others seeking a better life and like I said and im going to say it again a person shouldnt have to dodge bullets in order to come home from school to achieve a better life. the governments job is to keep innocent people in the city state etc safe. but they dont do that and therefore it becomes almost impossible or IMPOSSIBLE for some1 to make a better life.(now this isnt everybody but this happens to many people in bad communities) dumb fu*ks
thats a poor excuse.....we aren't talkin about the people who DO try to make a better life and die, we are talkin about the people who DON'T try to make a better life and make excuses....try again

 12 years ago '05        #132
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 crmlbywonder said
i didnt know that welfare checks and housing projects stops innocent kids from getting shot on their way home from school. how bout the government do better against the people that commit these crimes on innocent people with their police force? huh how bout that. my city has 64 murders this year and in july last year there was only 55 murders so what does that say. 18 high school kids were k!lled in 18 months and 14 of them were honor students in my city that were going to go to good colleges but thanks to the increased crime they get k!lled. got ne rags to riches statements to make for that, i didnt think so. and u said the gov did that in the form of projects as help wen projects increased crime but the government will never understand and neither will yall because yall continue to look at the people in the hood as the same wen its just certain people that make it dangerous for others seeking a better life and like I said and im going to say it again a person shouldnt have to dodge bullets in order to come home from school to achieve a better life. the governments job is to keep innocent people in the city state etc safe. but they dont do that and therefore it becomes almost impossible or IMPOSSIBLE for some1 to make a better life.(now this isnt everybody but this happens to many people in bad communities) dumb fu*ks




hmmm how about people stop glorifying

Jeezy The Snowman
Rick Ross and the Blowwwwwwwwwwwwww
The Trap House
Cocaina

interestingly enough I saw an article about some rapper who basically snitched on himself and at no point did I see a post that said good, another drug dealer off the street, only what an idiot he was and that he was about to get his folks k!lled. Once again priorities and values are fu*ked

the ghettos are a product of the government stepping in in the early 70s. The fu*king safety net has failed and we have failed as a whole. until people realize that they need to take ownership things will never change


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 07-27-2006, 11:05 AM         #133
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 I-Moc said
thats a poor excuse.....we aren't talkin about the people who DO try to make a better life and die, we are talkin about the people who DON'T try to make a better life and make excuses....try again
i aint makin know excuses. im lettin yall(who dont know sh*t about what goes on here) know both sides. yall cant just say the people who dont try cuz then u just be talkin bout one side. im talkin bout the people who do try and get k!lled.

 07-27-2006, 11:10 AM         #134
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 nawtyxes said
hmmm how about people stop glorifying

Jeezy The Snowman
Rick Ross and the Blowwwwwwwwwwwwww
The Trap House
Cocaina

interestingly enough I saw an article about some rapper who basically snitched on himself and at no point did I see a post that said good, another drug dealer off the street, only what an idiot he was and that he was about to get his folks k!lled. Once again priorities and values are fu*ked

the ghettos are a product of the government stepping in in the early 70s. The fu*king safety net has failed and we have failed as a whole. until people realize that they need to take ownership things will never change
thats exactly the bullsh*t im talkin about. stop lookin at the ghetto as a whole. there are people in the ghetto that need help point blank. if the safety net has failed wen has it worked? wen bashin black people with clubs was the style? i dont giv a fu*k wat failed the point is to get a ghetto cleaned up there is gonna have to be efforts from TWO SIDES not 1 TWO!!!! the people who want to fix their community up and the local government(mayor council watever)

 07-27-2006, 11:10 AM         #135
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 CubanLinks said
blah blah blah dont wanna read it shut up ... whoever is 18 and poor ... decided to be that way

what? :banghead:

 07-27-2006, 11:14 AM         #136
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true ^^^

 12 years ago '05        #137
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 crmlbywonder said
thats exactly the bullsh*t im talkin about. stop lookin at the ghetto as a whole. there are people in the ghetto that need help point blank. if the safety net has failed wen has it worked? wen bashin black people with clubs was the style? i dont giv a fu*k wat failed the point is to get a ghetto cleaned up there is gonna have to be efforts from TWO SIDES not 1 TWO!!!! the people who want to fix their community up and the local government(mayor council watever)
ok let me compartmentalize the issue then

Ghetto
1. Older Generation - truly poor living on subsidy, can't change their state
2. Newer Generation - poor but able to do somethng about enviroment and r tryin
3. Newer Generation - dont want to do sh*t, waiting on another handout

Which one of these do you think has the most influence #3. Yes the ghetto is full of broken promises and dreams. we all know that everyone CANT AND WONT BE A MILLIONAIRE OR A 6 FIGGA n*gga (to say it bluntly), however you can set a goal and attempt to obtain it. What is success to you? Once again , listen to the music today. Dont get me wrong I dont' have it all, BUT i am a realist, and was brought up with another sense to know right from wrong. But do you ever hear the sob raps of life in the ghetto and the come up like this

I wanna leave the ghetto so I'll stack some chedda
buy a townhouse so life would be betta

no you hear about leaving the ghetto and now Im sitin on a yacht with 10 thousand stacks in my pockets etc etc.

That sh*t aint even realistic to 95% of the population. We have become disillusioned to what making it and sucess is.

Hmmm remember the part in Boyz in the Hood when the pops should his son how everything in the neighborhood was gun shop, liqiuor store, pawn shop. you cant tell me that after 30 fu*king years n*ggas would stop bi*ching about no one givin them a loan to open up a store that ALL the Koreans own everything etc. When someone does come back to the hood and invest they invest in some bullsh*t club or clothing store. Yes the ghetto is a struggle, but it is what you make it. Not to put people bizness in the street but my boy is from Philly and lived in some straight squalor sh*t. I grew up Country Poor, this n*gga is STREET POOR. he wasnt proud of it or his situation. single mom, older brother and sister in and out of trouble, but he did what was right, stayed on course, got into college be it his athletic prowess coupled with an 1100 SAT and now has traveled the world, got a good job moved to AZ and is helping his OLDER brother and sister move out there where he is at. He is trying to do something. He aint making stacks of paper, but the bit that he has he is trying, and he is starting with HIS FAMILY, and the generations that with following. It takes the mindset of I AM GOING TO MAKE IT. I AM NOT GONNA CHEAT NOBODY RUIN NOBODY OR k!ll NOBODY I WILL MAKE IT WITHTHE HELP OF OTHERS AND WITH MY DETERMINATIOn.

These arguments are pissing me the fu*k off. Simple a.ss mutherfu*kers. Have a reality check, look at yourself in the mirror and ask am I doing enough. Its not the other way around. For me to NOT know that there are gaps in income, some are poor, some are middle class and some are rich is stupid on my part. Not everyone is blessed, some are downtrodden. BUT THERE ARE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO HELP THEM. the problem is the system as been overused by worthless n*ggas runnign around lookling for a handout and the complainers. The Tron's (dave chappell character) who thinks it all a joke. The fu*k you I gotta get mines n*ggas.


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 07-27-2006, 07:40 PM         #138
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 rhymespitter84 said
yo this sh*t is so true you dont even know family


my girl probably gonna get mad at me, but in Connecticut

there's only 6% tax
everything is cheaper


tell me you can get "Cable TV, High Speed DSL, AND, phone service" for $75 a month!!! but you paying more than $50 for the cable package in the city, you paying at least $30-$40 for a decent Cable/DSL connection.

Im not saying everybody in CT is rich, but it is a weathly state, as far as income goes, so why are they paying LESS for stuff than in big cities where the average income is much much smaller???

its fu*ked up man. FREE YOUR MOTHERfu*kING MINDS PEOPLE.
Pft. Everything is definitly not cheaper. We have like the second highest gas prices in the country. And we pay higher taxes on other things like property taxes. Connecticut is an expensive place to live. We're paying less for stuff that other cities pay more for because everything ELSE is so much more expensive.

Or maybe Connecticut just sucks.

Who knows?!

 07-27-2006, 09:03 PM         #139
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 nawtyxes said
ok let me compartmentalize the issue then

Ghetto
1. Older Generation - truly poor living on subsidy, can't change their state
2. Newer Generation - poor but able to do somethng about enviroment and r tryin
3. Newer Generation - dont want to do sh*t, waiting on another handout

Which one of these do you think has the most influence #3. Yes the ghetto is full of broken promises and dreams. we all know that everyone CANT AND WONT BE A MILLIONAIRE OR A 6 FIGGA n*gga (to say it bluntly), however you can set a goal and attempt to obtain it. What is success to you? Once again , listen to the music today. Dont get me wrong I dont' have it all, BUT i am a realist, and was brought up with another sense to know right from wrong. But do you ever hear the sob raps of life in the ghetto and the come up like this

I wanna leave the ghetto so I'll stack some chedda
buy a townhouse so life would be betta

no you hear about leaving the ghetto and now Im sitin on a yacht with 10 thousand stacks in my pockets etc etc.

That sh*t aint even realistic to 95% of the population. We have become disillusioned to what making it and sucess is.

Hmmm remember the part in Boyz in the Hood when the pops should his son how everything in the neighborhood was gun shop, liqiuor store, pawn shop. you cant tell me that after 30 fu*king years n*ggas would stop bi*ching about no one givin them a loan to open up a store that ALL the Koreans own everything etc. When someone does come back to the hood and invest they invest in some bullsh*t club or clothing store. Yes the ghetto is a struggle, but it is what you make it. Not to put people bizness in the street but my boy is from Philly and lived in some straight squalor sh*t. I grew up Country Poor, this n*gga is STREET POOR. he wasnt proud of it or his situation. single mom, older brother and sister in and out of trouble, but he did what was right, stayed on course, got into college be it his athletic prowess coupled with an 1100 SAT and now has traveled the world, got a good job moved to AZ and is helping his OLDER brother and sister move out there where he is at. He is trying to do something. He aint making stacks of paper, but the bit that he has he is trying, and he is starting with HIS FAMILY, and the generations that with following. It takes the mindset of I AM GOING TO MAKE IT. I AM NOT GONNA CHEAT NOBODY RUIN NOBODY OR k!ll NOBODY I WILL MAKE IT WITHTHE HELP OF OTHERS AND WITH MY DETERMINATIOn.

These arguments are pissing me the fu*k off. Simple a.ss mutherfu*kers. Have a reality check, look at yourself in the mirror and ask am I doing enough. Its not the other way around. For me to NOT know that there are gaps in income, some are poor, some are middle class and some are rich is stupid on my part. Not everyone is blessed, some are downtrodden. BUT THERE ARE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO HELP THEM. the problem is the system as been overused by worthless n*ggas runnign around lookling for a handout and the complainers. The Tron's (dave chappell character) who thinks it all a joke. The fu*k you I gotta get mines n*ggas.
all that sh*t u said was individual. im sayin to fix a whole neigborhood. yes U can make it out if u want but its not just u that needs to git out every1 needs to git out. i dont have it bad at all but i still live in the hood. iot doesnt matter what you say the local government has a duty to keep the streets safe, im tired of stressin that i have friends and know more people who do all they can but still cant make it. i know to many good kids that git k!lled that sought a better life. what you just said could have all been summed up into one sentence. you can do ne thing if u put ur mind to it. but it doesnt matter my point is to fix the ghetto as a WHOLE it requires more than just the people who live in it. yes ne 1 can do and reach they goal until they git shot on the way.

 12 years ago '05        #140
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^^ did you even read....it takes more than one, however ONE has to start it off.

 07-28-2006, 02:50 PM         #141
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 crmlbywonder said
i aint makin know excuses. im lettin yall(who dont know sh*t about what goes on here) know both sides. yall cant just say the people who dont try cuz then u just be talkin bout one side. im talkin bout the people who do try and get k!lled.

Well then why are you arguing? I don't think anyone here has argued about the people that are tryin to make a better living. We were talkin about the people that DON'T TRY. Why don't you TRY reading a post before gettin all defensive...

 12 years ago '05        #142
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preach!!!!!!!!!^^^ Sensitive thugs, they all need hugs lol

 07-28-2006, 08:04 PM         #143
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 I-Moc said
Well then why are you arguing? I don't think anyone here has argued about the people that are tryin to make a better living. We were talkin about the people that DON'T TRY. Why don't you TRY reading a post before gettin all defensive...
aint no 1 gettin defensive. y can u tell thru text? im sayin if u gon talk bout the people who dont try imma talk bout the people that do

 12 years ago '04        #144
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get an education to leave your current situation!

 10-20-2006, 04:41 AM         #145
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oh no why did u bring this thread back

 10-21-2006, 09:19 AM         #146
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 rhymespitter84 said
You know its true tho. Youre gas prices are still around average, its just that everything else is cheeeeepeeerrrr!

You don't live here though....And I'm too tired and hung over to argue a valid point. AHiwheiwhewnehi3wiggle.


You're just jealous cuz a hot girl is in my bed.

 12 years ago '06        #147
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i like the internet cause people say exactly what they feel. i've never met anyone who ever said anything to my face about my mother bring poor because she chose to be. the way capitalism works, is that everybody can't be wealthy or middle class.

having been raised in the hood and graduating from college only to come back to the hood and helps mom, i know first hand, how it is to be on welfare and live month to month off chicken, beans, and rice.

it's good to know that people are still blaimg the victim. i wish i could slap some sense into yall, but then i'd be a violent back man playing into a stereotype.

if you are truely educated, you'd know why the poor remain poor. why the drug addicts remain hooked and where the drugs come from. why the education in the hood doesn't measure up too the education in the burbs.

funny how yall talk sh*t about the poor, but yall idolize rappers who come from these environments.

stop listening to hiphop if you blame the poor because hiphop came from the hood.

 12 years ago '06        #148
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speak on it

 10-21-2006, 08:19 PM         #149
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i dont c wats so hard bout gettin off ur feet get a job and jus meet ppl.get out tha house go places n do things make moves..ppl have choices dont blame tha gov. cuz ur poor it was ur choice to b poor..if u so damn poor get off ur a.ss n do sumthn

 10-21-2006, 08:31 PM         #150
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not saying its anyone's fault
but America is a country that gives opportunity to succeed, not guarantees success
therefore, if ur busy complaining, you COULD be working
it is HARDER to get out from that situation, but there is always a chance to get out of it if u work HARDER to counter ur situation
just my 2 cents
and if u have a problem with wat i say
fu*k you
its my opinion

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