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ONE bar is equal to...
ONE line. 34 33.33%
TWO lines. 51 50.00%
i have no fuckin idea... 5 4.90%
i THOUGHT i knew... but not sure anymore. 12 11.76%
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 04-28-2006, 11:27 AM         #26
KandyRedSS  OP
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 killawee said
Music can be however many bars u want it too, ive layed tracks wit 14 bars, 12 bars etc. u can even do 7 bars if u line the music up like that
the BASIC bars for rap music then is 16 for a verse, 8 for a chorus, rinse n repeat.

 04-28-2006, 01:04 PM         #27
KillaCam2939  OP
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1 bar = 2 lines IMO, thats what I've always thought.

 12 years ago '04        #28
Jamaro85 
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 KandyRedSS said
yall need to quit acting like since u think thats what it is, then thats what it is.


a line is 1 measurement of music

a bar is 2 measurements of music

there is NEVER more than 16 bars per verse, otherwise the song would be uneven!!!!

16 bars or 32 lines

example:

"Well i'm ridin by myself, well really, not really." <----one line, one line ends when u say the word ur going to rhyme.

"So heavy in the trunk, make the car pop a wheelie" <-----add that in, then u got urself a bar!!!

so....

"well im ridin by myself, well really not really.
so heavy in the trunk, it makes the car pop a wheelie."<----thats a bar, say 16 times, and i bet u money that u the chorus comes right up.
I'd have to take your money. How often do you see rappers spit 32 lines in a verse?

"Riding by myself, well really not really
So heavy in the trunk make the car pop a wheelie
Who? Weezy baby, or call me young Baby
My money 360, you only 180
Half of the game too lazy
Still sleeping on me, but I'm 'bout to wake 'em
Yup, I'm 'bout to take 'em to New Orleans and bake 'em
Yeah, its hot down here, take a walk with Satan, yeah
Come on mama, let the Carter make ya
Toss ya like a fruit salad, strawberry grape ya
They ball when they can and I'm ballin' by nature
Addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton
Y'all in the race and me, I'm at the finish line
Been runnin' for too long, it's time to give me mine
Straight down your chimney in your living room, its I
Weezy, allergic to winter time"

You say repeat 2 lines 16 times? That would be 32 lines, and that's definitely not what most rappers spit in a verse, including your own example here.

So you guys talking about 1 bar = 2 lines, maybe that is correct, but then why is it common for people to say 16 bars are in a verse?

Looking at the above verse there are 16 lines, but according to your theory its only 8 bars? I'm lost.


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 04-28-2006, 02:05 PM         #29
Crank  OP
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this sh*t again... BARS have to do with music not lyrics... all you sayin you rap and know what your talkin about have no clue... the only ones that are gonna give you a straight answer are producers.... how many lines are spit in a bar depends on the artist... if twista is rappin over a 4/4 beat he is usually gonna spit many lines in 1 bar... if he is on a 3/4 beat he is gonna spit pretty much 1 line per 1 bar...

yall look for answers too much... there is no straight forward, this is how it is, with measures and lines... it all depends on the producer and the artist to see how many lines are in a bar

 04-28-2006, 02:18 PM         #30
DEEPEE  OP
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Jay-z said, you only get half a bar, "fu*k Y'all n*ggas"

That's half a line so one bar would be one line.

 04-28-2006, 02:27 PM         #31
Crank  OP
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 JustForgetIt said
everybody who says 1 bar is equal to 2 lines are fu*kin text battlers who never made a fu*kin song. dumb a.ss people. musically, a bar is a measure which is 4 beats and would be one line for a rapper regardless of the tempo. that one line is said during those 4 beats and if it goes any longer shorten that sh*t up. such as

I come from tha < BLOCK > anywhere on the < SPOT >

thats one bar and the words in the < > are usually said on the snare which is usually on the 2nd and 4th beat.

if anyone says different they're fu*king stupid and i hope they go to a real studio thinking that dumb sh*t. dumb text battlers

ok so what if you have a beat pattern that goes in the following

S M W

or

S M W S M W

or for that matter what if one bar equals....

S M W S M W S S M W S M

 04-28-2006, 02:29 PM         #32
Arkanjal  OP
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 Jamaro85 said
I'd have to take your money. How often do you see rappers spit 32 lines in a verse?

"Riding by myself, well really not really
So heavy in the trunk make the car pop a wheelie
Who? Weezy baby, or call me young Baby
My money 360, you only 180
Half of the game too lazy
Still sleeping on me, but I'm 'bout to wake 'em
Yup, I'm 'bout to take 'em to New Orleans and bake 'em
Yeah, its hot down here, take a walk with Satan, yeah
Come on mama, let the Carter make ya
Toss ya like a fruit salad, strawberry grape ya
They ball when they can and I'm ballin' by nature
Addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton
Y'all in the race and me, I'm at the finish line
Been runnin' for too long, it's time to give me mine
Straight down your chimney in your living room, its I
Weezy, allergic to winter time"

You say repeat 2 lines 16 times? That would be 32 lines, and that's definitely not what most rappers spit in a verse, including your own example here.

So you guys talking about 1 bar = 2 lines, maybe that is correct, but then why is it common for people to say 16 bars are in a verse?

Looking at the above verse there are 16 lines, but according to your theory its only 8 bars? I'm lost.
people are stuck on thinking a "line" is just when it rhymes....thats INCORRECT. what you posted was 16 bars, not 16 lines. each bar is broken up as such:

Riding by myself / well really not really
So heavy in the trunk / make the car pop a wheelie

listen to where the snares hit, that is typically at 1/2 a bar each. and each of them is a "line".

 12 years ago '04        #33
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 Arkanjal said
people are stuck on thinking a "line" is just when it rhymes....thats INCORRECT. what you posted was 16 bars, not 16 lines. each bar is broken up as such:

Riding by myself / well really not really
So heavy in the trunk / make the car pop a wheelie

listen to where the snares hit, that is typically at 1/2 a bar each. and each of them is a "line".
A line is a vague term, but my definition of it is simply line as in the written breakdown of it...in the case of the verse I posted the end of each written line rhymed. I know what you mean though

 12 years ago '04        #34
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16 bars is 16 lines, if your a twista or krazie bone you dont change it its all the same, they just put more words into one bar then everybody else the formula has been the same for awhile now, if you say otherwise your either

#1-not a real emcee, your just doin it on the net and have learned everything you know about hip hop on the net

#2-you cant count

#3-dumb point blank

 04-28-2006, 03:10 PM         #35
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 JustForgetIt said
wether the snare is there or not, all bars are counted like 1 2 3 4 unless the time signature was like 3/4 which is rare in rap. that would be counted 1-2-3. that too would still be considered one bar. once u reach 1 again that starts the other bar. producers know this [ or def should ] and rappers should. your rhyme should still be said on the 4th count or either a little bit before or after or you'll be offbeat. theres plenty of sites giving the same definition of bar such as

which says a bar is a measure

i see what your saying and in most cases thats true but not always... if someone is asking how many lines are in a bar a lot of the time 1 bar or 1 measure equals one line but not always....

as long as the rapper is on beat it doesnt matter if he says 18 lines in 1 bar or 1 line in one bar....

and i agree with you everyone should go an look up the definition of a bar, real definition not some random n*ggas definition, and in none of those definitions will you see the word line... youll see measure and maybe meters, maybe youll see some odd looking drawings over lines, those are notes, or each beat, and the lines are called barlines... nowhere in that definition will you see a rhyme or a bar is a line or any sh*t like that

 04-28-2006, 03:16 PM         #36
Arkanjal  OP
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 EmpTClip said
16 bars is 16 lines, if your a twista or krazie bone you dont change it its all the same, they just put more words into one bar then everybody else the formula has been the same for awhile now, if you say otherwise your either

#1-not a real emcee, your just doin it on the net and have learned everything you know about hip hop on the net

#2-you cant count

#3-dumb point blank
take a poetry class, learn what a line is, apply that to rap, then reconsider calling people dumb.

 12 years ago '06        #37
A-1 AFiciaL 
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When it comes to hip hop
1 bar = 1 line

A 16 bar verse has 16 lines. not 32

Songs usually have 48 bars (3 16's) and a 8 bar chorus

End of story

 12 years ago '06        #38
A-1 AFiciaL 
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Wow..20 ppl said one bar is 2 lines

fu*kin jus stop listenin to hip hop haha

 12 years ago '04        #39
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 Arkanjal said
take a poetry class, learn what a line is, apply that to rap, then reconsider calling people dumb.

lol.. i know what a true bar is, its a measure of music y i know this? because i took music class, plus i produce

but when im writting down a verse never do i put TWO lines as ONE bar, that dont even make sense at all, rap and poetry are two different things all though there similar you write the sh*t differently, y i know this? because i have taken a poetry class..lol

some poetry dont even rhyme, but its still poetry, when do u hear RAP songs not rhymin, threw the whole thing? i know what im sayin

theres alot of non emcees speakin on this if you dont rap or havent done any form of music in your life dont speak you wont get it and if you do rap

 04-28-2006, 05:05 PM         #40
FaceMob  OP
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16 bars is 2 lines.

 12 years ago '05        #41
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When A Rapper Says "100 Bars Of death" Or Sum Shyt They Sayin That The Beat Will Loop 100 Times. So Loop A Beat In Yo Head And Spit To It. U Will More Than Likely Spit 2 Lines On 1 Bar Then The Beat Will Re-loop.

 12 years ago '06        #42
A-1 AFiciaL 
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stop the madness

 04-28-2006, 05:32 PM         #43
yungb  OP
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fu*kin idiots.










A bar is obviously a place you go to when you wanna chill and meet people. I took music class, and I know.


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 04-28-2006, 05:59 PM         #44
Arkanjal  OP
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 EmpTClip said
lol.. i know what a true bar is, its a measure of music y i know this? because i took music class, plus i produce

but when im writting down a verse never do i put TWO lines as ONE bar, that dont even make sense at all, rap and poetry are two different things all though there similar you write the sh*t differently, y i know this? because i have taken a poetry class..lol

some poetry dont even rhyme, but its still poetry, when do u hear RAP songs not rhymin, threw the whole thing? i know what im sayin

theres alot of non emcees speakin on this if you dont rap or havent done any form of music in your life dont speak you wont get it and if you do rap


nobody will ever take you serious as an mc if you say that sh*t.

not all poetry is rap, but rap is poetry man.


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 12 years ago '04        #45
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lines dont equal bars....
bars are a musical composition cut into small equal sections by single perpendicular lines drawn across the stave. Double lines are used to mark the end of a part or measure.

Bar: a group of beats, usually the same number, serving as a continual unit of measuring musical time.
The answer is that for the most part, a bar is the same as a measure.
measurement = One bar equals four counts. It's counted one, two, three, four, repeat to the beat of a song. The bar count is used to measure how long an emcee will rap in an emcee battle. It could be 8, 16, 32 bars or more.

I think the mistake being made is the confusion of what a line is
one two three four/one two three four = one bar
that to some of you means one line
to some of you it equals

one two three four
one two three four
now it equals two lines

lines are the compostion of the writing

conventionally
1 bar equals 2 lines (remember what each is within the structure of the song)

 04-28-2006, 06:28 PM         #46
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one bar = one measure

so one bar usually has 2 snare hits (especially classic beats they werent so complicated), but either way one bar has 4 beats.

the rapper decides how many bars one line will take up

 12 years ago '04        #47
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 JustForgetIt said
what ? one two three four/one two three four = one bar ?
but you said four beats is one bar so wouldn't that be two bars?

based on what u stated at first

one two three four < would be one bar
one two three four < would be the second bar
which end up as two lines
in my definition of a bar.........
yes...in a musical stand point a bar is the FULL COUNT to close
one two three four (period close the count) = equals one bar

in rap....
one two three four is not the full count to close
one two three four/one two three four (period close the count in rhyme) = equals one bar (per the beat)

 04-28-2006, 06:43 PM         #48
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it like a link cant have a bar with out the other line

 12 years ago '04        #49
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 Arkanjal said


nobody will ever take you serious as an mc if you say that sh*t.

not all poetry is rap, but rap is poetry man.


that was worded wrong true, rap is poetry in a sense, but i dont remember edgar allen poe talkin about gats gunz drugz etc, poetry and hip hop are two different forms of expression although there structured sometimes the same

i read poetry all the time and theres just a different feel from reading old poetry, than goin to listen to a rap song its just different to me if you dont agree than oh well you judge sh*t how u want to i dont care, quite tryin to be all scientific with everything theres an obvious difference in poetry from hip hop

rap or hip hop is its own form of expression just like poetry is....and im already takin seriously as an emcee kid this is why im telling you that 16 lines = 16 bars

im not even gonna argue with you on this all i have to say is, go into an established artists studio, and he tells you to do a song, and you end up with 96 bars and a 16 bar hook your gonna look real foolish


also quote all of somethin and not some of it


 EmpTClip said
rap and poetry are two different things all though there similar you write the sh*t differently, y i know this? because i have taken a poetry class..lol
i said ALTHOUGH THERE SIMILAR


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 12 years ago '04        #50
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So basically you're saying that this would be 4 lines, aka 2 bars, in terms of the writing format:

"I rap for listeners, bluntheads
Fly ladies and prisoners
Hennessey holders and old
School n*ggas, then I be dissin' the"

As opposed to:

"I rap for listeners, bluntheads, fly ladies and prisoners
Hennessey holders and old school n*ggas, then I be dissin' the"

So basically that should be formatted into 4 lines?

Edit: I see now, I had my understanding of a "line" confused


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