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 03-27-2006, 03:05 PM         #1
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masta_mind 
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How Did 2pac Contradict Himself??
 

 
i keep hearin dat pac contradicted himself in so many ways....but i dont remember pac contradictin any of his statements....so im just curious...can anyone point these things out to me

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 13 years ago '05        #2
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Women
White people
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(actually thats all thats comin to mind right now)

 03-27-2006, 03:28 PM         #3
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THE PAC BEFORE death ROW= THE REAL PAC

THE PAC ON death ROW= FAKE PAC, TRYING TO SELL "THUG" image SUGE demanded of him

 03-27-2006, 03:31 PM         #4
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 JOEKILLA said
THE PAC BEFORE death ROW= THE REAL PAC

THE PAC ON death ROW= FAKE PAC, TRYING TO SELL "THUG" image SUGE demanded of him
THIS HOLDS NO WEIGHT
simply becos THUG LIFE = before deathROW
he been sellin thug image before deathrow...he was more violent wiht it when he got to deathrow...cus his environment brought it out of him.

I NEED AN EXPLANATION HOW DIS NIGA CONTRADICTED HIMSELF PLSSS

 03-27-2006, 03:34 PM         #5
VLmoney  OP
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man this site never seems to amaze me tupac this tupac that! man tupac was deeper then any of your favorite rappers but he was also an ill lyricist the dude ws nice just give him his props. theres no need to hate the n*gga when he gone cause he wont come out with anything new that will shut u dudes up. but the funny thing is is that he doesnt need to come out with anything new he has numerous classics on his resume. and this does not go to the thread creator but u pac haters need a life for real. nobody in the south or east coast or west coast that is out right now is hotter then pac. he wins hands down the n*gga still makin more money then your favorite rapper and he's dead!

 03-27-2006, 03:35 PM         #6
VLmoney  OP
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 masta_mind said
THIS HOLDS NO WEIGHT
simply becos THUG LIFE = before deathROW
he been sellin thug image before deathrow...he was more violent wiht it when he got to deathrow...cus his environment brought it out of him.

I NEED AN EXPLANATION HOW DIS NIGA CONTRADICTED HIMSELF PLSSS


but who was pac violent against? do u dudes know what his movement was about? do u know why the feds and govt wanted him dead and thought of him as a terrorist?

 13 years ago '04        #7
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 masta_mind said
THIS HOLDS NO WEIGHT
simply becos THUG LIFE = before deathROW
he been sellin thug image before deathrow...he was more violent wiht it when he got to deathrow...cus his environment brought it out of him.

I NEED AN EXPLANATION HOW DIS NIGA CONTRADICTED HIMSELF PLSSS
finally somebody wit some damn sense thuglife was before deathrow .pac caught all those cases before deathrow so how was he trying sell an image.pac was just a real n*gga point blank period

 03-27-2006, 03:47 PM         #8
masta_mind  OP
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 VLmoney said
but who was pac violent against? do u dudes know what his movement was about? do u know why the feds and govt wanted him dead and thought of him as a terrorist?
beatin up crip dude after tysons f!ght...night he got k!lled = VIOLENCE

but im still sayin...
I HAVENT SEEN ANY POINT WHERE DIS n*gga CONTRADICTED HIMSELF

its funny how i hear 2pac this 2pac that...pac is the king of contradictions...but now i wana know how he contradicted himself cus i didnt see it.....suddenly i dont see anyone standin up to mention instances where he did

 13 years ago '04        #9
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He's human. Who hasn't?

 03-27-2006, 03:56 PM         #10
masta_mind  OP
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 Jamaro85 said
He's human. Who hasn't?
he definitely is HUMAN...but did u see my statement??

a lotta kats call him the KING of Contradictions....for him to be called that...then i believe he musta been on some GAME sh*t or equivalent.....so i just need some instances where he did....just a few situations/instances....THATS ALL

 13 years ago '05        #11
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Exactly no one can explain to me also the right way how he contradicted himself.

2pac was just trying to be as real as possible, but people make him out to be a positive rapper or something because he introduced himself in the rap game on a more positive approach. Just because he told men to respect the ladies and for women to respect themselves, people make it out to be, "Well 2Pac, why are you using the word bi*ch and calling women bi*ches on other songs"? With that being said, whenever he says bi*ch or something, people say he's contradicting.

What people need to understand is that Pac looked at things from different standpoints and people just don't understand. For instance females. To him, there were two types of females. The sisters, women, ladies vs. The bi*ches, hoes, scandalous.

The Sisters, women, and ladies were females who carried themselves in a respectful manner while the bi*ches/hoes were the trifling women who didn't care how they carried themselves. People think when he says bi*ch or hoe in songs like "I get around" that he's dissing the same females he dedicated songs to on joints like Keep Ya Hed Up, Brenda's Got A Baby, and Dear Mama when that's not the case. He said it himself that he looks at things from all aspects whether objects or groups and analyzes it. That's why he was so diverse, but cats just don't understand.

If you were to ask him he'd say all females are not ladies. He has explained all this and made sense, but people don't care to do research. If that's not being real, then I don't know what is. It's sad how he's misunderstood until this day. People are just ignorant.


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 13 years ago '05        #12
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every rapper contradicts themselves.... every person contradicts themselves

 03-27-2006, 04:28 PM         #13
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 4REAL said
Exactly no one can explain to me also the right way how he contradicted himself.

2pac was just trying to be as real as possible, but people make him out to be a positive rapper or something because he introduced himself in the rap game on a more positive approach. Just because he told men to respect the ladies and for women to respect themselves, people make it out to be, "Well 2Pac, why are you using the word bi*ch and calling women bi*ches on other songs"? With that being said, whenever he says bi*ch or something, people say he's contradicting.

What people need to understand is that Pac looked at things from different standpoints and people just don't understand. For instance females. To him, there were two types of females. The sisters, women, ladies vs. The bi*ches, hoes, scandalous.

The Sisters, women, and ladies were females who carried themselves in a respectful manner while the bi*ches/hoes were the trifling women who didn't care how they carried themselves. People think when he says bi*ch or hoe in songs like "I get around" that he's dissing the same females he dedicated songs to on joints like Keep Ya Hed Up, Brenda's Got A Baby, and Dear Mama when that's not the case. He said it himself that he looks at things from all aspects whether objects or groups and analyzes it. That's why he was so diverse, but cats just don't understand.

If you were to ask him he'd say all females are not ladies. He has explained all this and made sense, but people don't care to do research. If that's not being real, then I don't know what is. It's sad how he's misunderstood until this day. People are just ignorant.
REAL TALK

 03-27-2006, 04:38 PM         #14
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 dblockallday said
every rapper contradicts themselves.... every person contradicts themselves
This is truth... well for the most part. A lot of rappers nowadays don't say anything so they can't really contradict it. I mean you arn't gonna hear rims contradicted with hub caps.

 03-27-2006, 04:39 PM         #15
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I think the thing that most people knock on Pac for was his preaching of betterment for his race and how the system was screwed up... while at the same time he would beat people up, beef over nothing and help to continue the cycle of ignorance...

As much positive as he did, he made up for it with ignorance. A lot of the younger Pac fans know him more for his Thug Life than for his positivism. I have a great deal of respect for him and his work, but lets be real... it is what it is. People who actually pay attention will know there was more to the story, but there are a lot of people who will just respect Pac for his "Thug".


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 dumb_ass23 said
I think the thing that most people knock on Pac for was his preaching of betterment for his race and how the system was screwed up... while at the same time he would beat people up, beef over nothing and help to continue the cycle of ignorance...

As much positive as he did, he made up for it with ignorance. A lot of the younger Pac fans know him more for his Thug Life than for his positivism. I have a great deal of respect for him and his work, but lets be real... it is what it is. People who actually pay attention will know there was more to the story, but there are a lot of people who will just respect Pac for his "Thug".
Nothing you said, said anything about contradiction.
If you can't understand that Pac was a radical, then I don't think you truly understand his style. And I don't get how you can't mix personality/character with an agenda or belief. If he happens to get in a f!ght does it mean that he didn't think the system was fair? Also How the hell could you say getting shot up is beefing over nothing? He was wilding out for a reason.

 13 years ago '04        #17
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I think you can find many cases where he "contradicted" himself. But I just think this is a human quality.

For example I believe that Jesus died on the cross for me and that I should live life to uplift his message. At the same time I drink till I'm drunk and smoke a pack of Newprots daily. I'm contradicting myself, but IMO it's just a constant struggle between what I know is right and what I feel like I want to do.

 03-27-2006, 08:12 PM         #18
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in my eyes, he contradicted himself with all those damn beefs. in his early career he seemed to be about helping our people. the thug life thing was a way to do that. but then he had SO many damn beefs wit others. how r u trying to help our ppl by comin out against some of them? it j/ didnt fit. thug life seemed to turn into violence agaisnt our own as oppossed to those who oppress us. i can see a cpl beefs, no one loves everyone. he felt biggie shot him, i dont think he did, but i can understand that beef. but y hova? nas? and then de la soul? thas when i had to rethink things.

thas just my opinion.

 03-27-2006, 08:21 PM         #19
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 VLmoney said
man this site never seems to amaze me tupac this tupac that! man tupac was deeper then any of your favorite rappers but he was also an ill lyricist the dude ws nice just give him his props. theres no need to hate the n*gga when he gone cause he wont come out with anything new that will shut u dudes up. but the funny thing is is that he doesnt need to come out with anything new he has numerous classics on his resume. and this does not go to the thread creator but u pac haters need a life for real. nobody in the south or east coast or west coast that is out right now is hotter then pac. he wins hands down the n*gga still makin more money then your favorite rapper and he's dead!
no doubt

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 4REAL said
Exactly no one can explain to me also the right way how he contradicted himself.

2pac was just trying to be as real as possible, but people make him out to be a positive rapper or something because he introduced himself in the rap game on a more positive approach. Just because he told men to respect the ladies and for women to respect themselves, people make it out to be, "Well 2Pac, why are you using the word bi*ch and calling women bi*ches on other songs"? With that being said, whenever he says bi*ch or something, people say he's contradicting.

What people need to understand is that Pac looked at things from different standpoints and people just don't understand. For instance females. To him, there were two types of females. The sisters, women, ladies vs. The bi*ches, hoes, scandalous.

The Sisters, women, and ladies were females who carried themselves in a respectful manner while the bi*ches/hoes were the trifling women who didn't care how they carried themselves. People think when he says bi*ch or hoe in songs like "I get around" that he's dissing the same females he dedicated songs to on joints like Keep Ya Hed Up, Brenda's Got A Baby, and Dear Mama when that's not the case. He said it himself that he looks at things from all aspects whether objects or groups and analyzes it. That's why he was so diverse, but cats just don't understand.

If you were to ask him he'd say all females are not ladies. He has explained all this and made sense, but people don't care to do research. If that's not being real, then I don't know what is. It's sad how he's misunderstood until this day. People are just ignorant.
daaaaaaaaaamn....REAL TALK

 13 years ago '04        #21
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We went from brothers and sisters, to n*ggaz and bi*ches
We went from welfare livin, to worldwide riches

 03-28-2006, 12:43 AM         #22
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 jaysscholar said
in my eyes, he contradicted himself with all those damn beefs. in his early career he seemed to be about helping our people. the thug life thing was a way to do that. but then he had SO many damn beefs wit others. how r u trying to help our ppl by comin out against some of them? it j/ didnt fit. thug life seemed to turn into violence agaisnt our own as oppossed to those who oppress us. i can see a cpl beefs, no one loves everyone. he felt biggie shot him, i dont think he did, but i can understand that beef. but y hova? nas? and then de la soul? thas when i had to rethink things.

thas just my opinion.
pac never had beef with de la soul.
the beef with nas started, because tupac claimed that nas track 'sweet dreams' sounds like his track 'all eyez on me'. tupac accused him of copying his style. nas was also shot five times like pac and he talked about it in his tracks too. another one of biting the style. tupac and nas squashed the beef shortly before pac's death.
the beef with hova started when hova released his song 'brooklyns finest', dissing tupac and the outlawz. he claimed that they can't rap.

 03-28-2006, 01:14 AM         #23
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pac, like anyone else was a multidimensional character, he had a positive side (dear mama, keep you head up) where he stood for hope and compassion, and a negative side (death around the corner, streetz r deathrow) where he exuded death and despair. this is the contradiction, its just another way of saying he was REAL.

 03-28-2006, 01:51 AM         #24
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i thought pre death row he didn't have anything to prove, he was just expressing himself...
but when he was on the row he had to prove to everyone he was a thug...
well thats just my observations, but i guess anyone who was shot 5 times would act different...

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 4REAL said
Exactly no one can explain to me also the right way how he contradicted himself.

2pac was just trying to be as real as possible, but people make him out to be a positive rapper or something because he introduced himself in the rap game on a more positive approach. Just because he told men to respect the ladies and for women to respect themselves, people make it out to be, "Well 2Pac, why are you using the word bi*ch and calling women bi*ches on other songs"? With that being said, whenever he says bi*ch or something, people say he's contradicting.

What people need to understand is that Pac looked at things from different standpoints and people just don't understand. For instance females. To him, there were two types of females. The sisters, women, ladies vs. The bi*ches, hoes, scandalous.

The Sisters, women, and ladies were females who carried themselves in a respectful manner while the bi*ches/hoes were the trifling women who didn't care how they carried themselves. People think when he says bi*ch or hoe in songs like "I get around" that he's dissing the same females he dedicated songs to on joints like Keep Ya Hed Up, Brenda's Got A Baby, and Dear Mama when that's not the case. He said it himself that he looks at things from all aspects whether objects or groups and analyzes it. That's why he was so diverse, but cats just don't understand.

If you were to ask him he'd say all females are not ladies. He has explained all this and made sense, but people don't care to do research. If that's not being real, then I don't know what is. It's sad how he's misunderstood until this day. People are just ignorant.
tru talk, propped dude:applause:

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