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 12-29-2005, 02:02 PM         #76
life.is.a.bitch  OP
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on be half as a iraqi , even though im not livin there rite now, i know wats goin on and wat people in general really feel about the whole situation. First of all the majority of iraqis dont support the US occupation , some express this only through words and some take up arms these people are neither terrorist, fanatics, baathist or whatever. just regular people (or rebels if u want to) wit no connection to al qaeda or Saddam whatsoever, but this is not gettin through the media ,the picture u see on your tv is happy iraqis goin to vote and occusionaly some attacks made by "terrorist". But the fact is that iraqis are against US presence in Iraq and any military action against the US army and not civialns is very supported by the masses. For u people who think the army is helping please explain to me , why u put 80% of your forces guardin the oil ranks while 20% is on the streets, and why your soldiers let robbery, murder, plunder and other, just pass them by witout intefeering. And why american and other western journalist have 24 hour army surveillance while arabic have non, not to mention having themselvs and their headquarters blown up by your army. Wheres the helping in that.
And we all know this ,hopefully, Saddams regim was well supported by the US u cannot deny that . its all documented, u got rumsfeld shaking hands wit saddam while the kurds were being gased in the north( and no dont be sayin we nor my government didnt know that). are u people really that ignorant. US gave weapons, military intelligence to iraq during its war wit iran. In fact the only wmd Saddam had was the ones u gave him. I can go on and on but since mot of u posting in here alreday got your mind set on joinin the military there is very little hope u people will understand this. Like the sayin goes "the truth is harder to swallow"


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 12-29-2005, 02:05 PM         #77
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 Diyo said
Look at your guy's health system, the poor die of 3rd world diseases, you have big gun problems, your legal system is heavily clogged up, the list goes on.[/COLOR]
and our health care system is the reason we have the BEST medical care
in the world! When ppl in other countries need SERIOUS sh*t done and they have $ guess where they come to get it done? surprise surprise

AND I have NEVER had health insurance AND have never been turned down
for medical attention or been sent a bill! Our poor are dying of third world diseases? Do u believe that?

When I was in New Orleans I went to Charity hospital, if u broke no insurance thats where u go, do ppl with money like going there, of course not, but I can't complain I was taken care of, for FREE

and now that I'm in New York I have Medicad AKA FREE HEALTHCARE
and alot of ppl in NY and the United States have it
I do not NEED nor WANT a system like Europe
thats why Europeans are HEAVILY TAXED
no thank you

 Diyo said
"Yea while you are watching cnn, you are so blind man, open your eyes."
I don't watch CNN (or any other news network, BBC is ok) and I'm not a man, and just becuase we see the world differently not mean I'm blind...

 12-29-2005, 02:17 PM         #78
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
on be half as a iraqi , even though im not livin there rite now, i know wats goin on and wat people in general really feel about the whole situation. First of all the majority of iraqis dont support the US occupation
Did the majority of Iraqi's support Saddams dictatorship?
what about all the men who fought,died,lost limbs when Iraq and Iran were at war for years!?! Yes things are far from perfect in Iraq
but there were far from perfect before

and WHY are we protecting the oil? WHY are "terrorist/rebels/whatever" bombing the pipelines? We are protecting them for the same reason there being bombed!


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 12-29-2005, 02:19 PM         #79
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
on be half as a iraqi , even though im not livin there rite now, i know wats goin on and wat people in general really feel about the whole situation. First of all the majority of iraqis dont support the US occupation , some express this only through words and some take up arms these people are neither terrorist, fanatics, baathist or whatever. just regular people (or rebels if u want to) wit no connection to al qaeda or Saddam whatsoever, but this is not gettin through the media ,the picture u see on your tv is happy iraqis goin to vote and occusionaly some attacks made by "terrorist". But the fact is that iraqis are against US presence in Iraq and any military action against the US army and not civialns is very supported by the masses. For u people who think the army is helping please explain to me , why u put 80% of your forces guardin the oil ranks while 20% is on the streets, and why your soldiers let robbery, murder, plunder and other, just pass them by witout intefeering. And why american and other western journalist have 24 hour army surveillance while arabic have non, not to mention having themselvs and their headquarters blown up by your army. Wheres the helping in that.
And we all know this ,hopefully, Saddams regim was well supported by the US u cannot deny that . its all documented, u got rumsfeld shaking hands wit saddam while the kurds were being gased in the north( and no dont be sayin we nor my government didnt know that). are u people really that ignorant. US gave weapons, military intelligence to iraq during its war wit iran. In fact the only wmd Saddam had was the ones u gave him. I can go on and on but since mot of u posting in here alreday got your mind set on joinin the military there is very little hope u people will understand this. Like the sayin goes "the truth is harder to swallow"
Sorry bud-I dont buy that bullsh*t you sellin-you cant say what your saying is truthful when even alternative media shows differently.Not to mention I know people that are over there too and they say opposite.You can say that they-the iraqis- want to control their own government and that they wants us out as soon a.ss possible-BUT the key words -AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.--meaning that there is a mostly foreign enemy in the country that do not want the iraqis to have a free government-over and over THEY hurt innocent iraqis.you cant possibly tell me this is false. On top of that-with the population of iraqis to american soldiers? cmon dude. Its like 12,000 to 1 ratio. If they wanted us out -sh*t- plus everyone can carry a automatic out there--:D
Oh by the way, a gut-busting LOL @ "why u put 80% of your forces guardin the oil ranks while 20% is on the streets"
your a joke.

 12-29-2005, 02:24 PM         #80
life.is.a.bitch  OP
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 rdl said
and our health care system is the reason we have the BEST medical care
in the world! When ppl in other countries need SERIOUS sh*t done and they have $ guess where they come to get it done? surprise surprise

AND I have NEVER had health insurance AND have never been turned down
for medical attention or been sent a bill! Our poor are dying of third world diseases? Do u believe that?

When I was in New Orleans I went to Charity hospital, if u broke no insurance thats where u go, do ppl with money like going there, of course not, but I can't complain I was taken care of, for FREE

and now that I'm in New York I have Medicad AKA FREE HEALTHCARE
and alot of ppl in NY and the United States have it
I do not NEED nor WANT a system like Europe
thats why Europeans are HEAVILY TAXED
no thank you



I don't watch CNN (or any other news network, BBC is ok) and I'm not a man, and just becuase we see the world differently not mean I'm blind...
estachfer allah ...listen to u self, americas health care system is even worse than the military, i bet they even make more money...thats all there is to it , america is all about profit.
I rather pay high taxes and knowing that someone less fortune than me is getting the kind of medical treatment he needs according to his health condition and not his financial condition. Beacause were I come from we are learned to think as whole group rather than individuals.


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 12-29-2005, 02:37 PM         #81
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
estachfer allah ...listen to u self, americas health care system is even worse than the military, i bet they even make more money...thats all there is to it , america is all about profit.
I rather pay high taxes and knowing that someone less fortune than me is getting the kind of medical treatment he needs according to his health condition and not his financial condition. Beacause were I come from we are learned to think as whole group rather than individuals.
How about not paying high taxes and knowing someone less fortunate
is getting the treatment he/she needs?

 12-29-2005, 02:48 PM         #82
life.is.a.bitch  OP
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 Spanish said
Sorry bud-I dont buy that bullsh*t you sellin-you cant say what your saying is truthful when even alternative media shows differently.Not to mention I know people that are over there too and they say opposite.You can say that they-the iraqis- want to control their own government and that they wants us out as soon a.ss possible-BUT the key words -AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.--meaning that there is a mostly foreign enemy in the country that do not want the iraqis to have a free government-over and over THEY hurt innocent iraqis.you cant possibly tell me this is false. On top of that-with the population of iraqis to american soldiers? cmon dude. Its like 12,000 to 1 ratio. If they wanted us out -sh*t- plus everyone can carry a automatic out there--:D
Oh by the way, a gut-busting LOL @ "why u put 80% of your forces guardin the oil ranks while 20% is on the streets"
your a joke.
oohk, no beacause most of my people are sick and tired of war, its been goin on sice the independens and before that. they just want peace . and on top of that u r not being realistic , i agree anybody there can carry a gun but there aint nobody flyin f16 and driving tanks , and pls dont tell me your still in iraq because of an "foreign enemy". Because thats not makin sense , since many of these enemys is coming from foreign countries shouldt u have put some more troops on the borders. beacause people i know can tell u different, iraq has been made as a center for terrorists (trained by your own army) by the US, remember afghanistan, well it didnt go that well for u overthere u didnt catch the rite people did u,(beacause for wat i know guantanamo is containing eveything but terrorists) so wit open borders in iraq u know exactly wat your doin, i agree wit u the US government dont want any terrorists but not to save innocent iraqi lives but to save themselvs , NOT includin you or your fellow citizens


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 12-29-2005, 03:02 PM         #83
life.is.a.bitch  OP
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 rdl said
Did the majority of Iraqi's support Saddams dictatorship?
what about all the men who fought,died,lost limbs when Iraq and Iran were at war for years!?! Yes things are far from perfect in Iraq
but there were far from perfect before

and WHY are we protecting the oil? WHY are "terrorist/rebels/whatever" bombing the pipelines? We are protecting them for the same reason there being bombed!
Ok so your conclusion is that a oil barrol is more worth than a human life, and sadly thats exactly wat it is occurdin to the US government/military.

no we didnt but the US goverment did, and by removing Saddam somebody did say the world and Iraq will be better of, but is it , NO .People need to realise that as long as US remains as a superpower the world will never be safe, and the only people that can make a difference is the americans themselvs.

And the reason is?? i can tell u why the pipelines are being bombed, big US companys are sucking millions of dollars worth of oil for free, thats why

Concerning the taxes , u pay as much as is needed and people are not complaning because when they look around themselvs they see their money being spent on something worthwile, not just to their own benefit but to everybody else too


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 12-29-2005, 03:08 PM         #84
Spanish  OP
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@ life.is.a.bi*ch wow you're ignorant.-no use argueing with you.

 12-29-2005, 03:14 PM         #85
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
Ok so your conclusion is that a oil barrol is more worth than a human life, and sadly thats exactly wat it is occurdin to the US government/military.
I knew that would be the response and no I'm not putting a price on someones lifes but protecting the oil is important and to say its not important is ridiculous..the military can do two things at once
(I know u disagree)

 life.is.a.bi*ch said
People need to realise that as long as US remains as a superpower the world will never be safe
I cant respond because I 100% disagree
so we could argue endlessly and whats the point...
when you love to hate :)

 life.is.a.bi*ch said
i can tell u why the pipelines are being bombed, big US companys are sucking millions of dollars worth of oil for free, thats why
yep thats why
and even if I agreed I would disagree that bombing the pipelines
does anything to benefit the Iraqi ppl so whats the point

 12-29-2005, 03:17 PM         #86
rdl  OP
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
people are not complaning
uh ok if u say so


 12-29-2005, 03:35 PM         #87
life.is.a.bitch  OP
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 rdl said
I knew that would be the response and no I'm not putting a price on someones lifes but protecting the oil is important and to say its not important is ridiculous..the military can do two things at once
(I know u disagree)
huh, why is it important ?! in that case the rest of the world should come too and protect iraqs oil .....! wtf its none of your bussiness what i do wit my oil , the US wants to monopolize the oil market and thats whats goin on , and if u cant see that something wrong in that , then something is wrong wit u


 rdl said
I cant respond because I 100% disagree
so we could argue endlessly and whats the point...
when you love to hate :)
I dont hate , it s not healthy to hate


 rdl said
yep thats why
and even if I agreed I would disagree that bombing the pipelines
does anything to benefit the Iraqi ppl so whats the point
maybe not directly but its at least somethin, the oil needs to be controled by the iraqi people that dont have any foreign(meaning US, Brittian an d other western countries) ties .
Thats when the Iraqs natural resources will actually bring something to the people of iraq


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 12-29-2005, 03:42 PM         #88
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 rdl said
When I was in New Orleans I went to Charity hospital, if u broke no insurance thats where u go, do ppl with money like going there, of course not, but I can't complain I was taken care of, for FREE
uh ok so it takes a deadly hurricane for america to give out FREE health care


(pls, grow up ) i just spent a post for nothing


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 12-29-2005, 03:46 PM         #89
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i dont need no reasons not to go to the military...

 12-29-2005, 04:19 PM         #90
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
uh ok so it takes a deadly hurricane for america to give out FREE health care
this was long BEFORE the hurricane

 12-29-2005, 04:22 PM         #91
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 life.is.a.bi*ch said
Thats when the Iraqs natural resources will actually bring something to the people of iraq
Just like the Iranian ppl benefit off the oil,
and the Saudi Arabian ppl?and the Nigrian ppl?

 12-29-2005, 05:53 PM         #92
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 METHOD101 said
i dont need no reasons not to go to the military...
I can see one reason: education.

Double negatives were reviewed in the second grade.

 12-29-2005, 06:00 PM         #93
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 TKO420 said
Talking all that sh*t about our Military is very disrespectful to the people that protect our way of life. Life.Is.a.bi*ch, who the fu*k are you to tell people that they shouldn't join the Armed Forces? I'm going into the Marine Corps soon and I'm going to be goddamn proud. I got love and respect for all branches of the millitary because we're all on the same side.
thats laughs

 12-29-2005, 09:25 PM         #94
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You know what, I'd typed up a big reply again, but I once I got to spanish's comment about the USA not violating any charters by going into Iraq i realised i was arguing with somebody who doesnt know sh*t. Are you serious?? Any simple google search will tell you straight away that going into Iraq without support from the UN was a violation! even Kofi Annan said it!

Check this out:
Published on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 by the New York Times

UNITED NATIONS, March 10 ó Secretary General Kofi Annan warned today that if the United States fails to win approval from the Security Council for an attack on Iraq, Washington's decision to act alone or outside the Council would violate the United Nations charter.

SOURCE:

I wont even bother to reply to anything else Spanish said because you misconstrue everything (eg the whole Saddam dictator thing), and dont have any true understanding. That USA not violating any UN charters was gold, congradulations man. You even call Lifes a bi*ch ignorant ha.



 mr undreground said
whoa! your talking about brainwashed, you post has some serious anger in it.
My anger comes from the hipocrisy of your govt. They accuse Iraq of having chemical weapons, yet they use them in that war. Indsicriminantly k!lling civilians, the denying it on top of that. Im talking about Fallujah and MK-77 - which is pretty much nepalms cousin - different chemical compositin but same effect, burning skin to the bone. That sh*t is real. Im angry at the hipocrisy of preaching to everyone about human rights, when they blatantly disregard them. You think if some other country locked up Americans for years and trotured them for suspicion of terrorism or whatever. like they do in Cuba, that country would live to tell about it? Lol their economy would be crushed in 6 months, if they were not bombed to pieces first.
Seriously man, dont you think that sh*t is fu*ked up?

This sh*t is where my anger comes from:

what does this have to do with WMDs that they went in to look for? The reason those guys are stealing wood will be because their power got taken out by the USA as a tactic, and they just trying to cool food and sh*t. Now they crushing their car! I thought they went in to better teh lives of teh Iraqis, to rid them of a dictator and oppressor! But oppression is exactly what we see there.!

 mr underground said
You sound like your real emotional are eating everthing the New Zeland news gives to you.
NZ news is pretty sh*t, most of the international news they get is off CNN or BBC or sky news, so they pay those big boys $$$, then they just play the CNN clip on that certain topic.

 mr underground said
The rest of the owrld follows the US and Britian. they have internet and free speech becuase we set the example.
Believe it or not countries dont live to clone the USA & Britain. The countries that have civic liberties, have them because that is what the UN set out, not because they want to copy the USA & Britain. (Same guy who told me i need to read up)

 mr underground said
All you can see is k!lling people.
Ofcourse! You dont think going into a country, to exploit their resources and k!lling civilians while you are at it is wrong? This is just like modern colonialsim. because that is exactly what the european setlers did in the 1900s.

 mr underground said
What the US does is to beter the US.
The truest sh*t you've said. Thats what im saying, and if thats teh case, at least lets stop lying to each other about it, and pretending like we actually care about other people.

  mr undreground said
The Iraq's don't seem mad,
Thats up there with the USA not violating UN charters by going into Iraq.

 rdl said
and our health care system is the reason we have the BEST medical care
in the world! When ppl in other countries need SERIOUS sh*t done and they have $ guess where they come to get it done? surprise surprise

AND I have NEVER had health insurance AND have never been turned down
for medical attention or been sent a bill! Our poor are dying of third world diseases? Do u believe that?

When I was in New Orleans I went to Charity hospital, if u broke no insurance thats where u go, do ppl with money like going there, of course not, but I can't complain I was taken care of, for FREE

My pops is a Haematologist (blood specialist) and he has worked as one in Zimbabwe, England and NZ. 3 or 4 times a year he goes to the USA and other parts of Europe to do deals with drug companies and basically suss out whats happening in the world, so that he can stay improving etc, coz as you know technology moves so fast and new sh*t is getting discovered all the time. He has nothing against the USA, i asked him what he thought of the health system and he said basically there are two sides. Theres the rich and the poor. If you are rich you'll be ok, but it still costs an arm and a leg to get anything done. He said if you are poor you are fu*ked, and that the poor continually die of 3rd world diseases.

Basically sh*t that costs lots of $$$ to get fixed. Im not talking about broken legs, sure a charity clinic may do that. But i guarantee they wont pay for you to have heart surgery or treatment for cancers because in teh USA it costs way too much. I asked him if he thought the system was the best in the world, he said he preffered some of the other ones in Europe. He said this was because of the screwed up "getting sued for anything" way of things in the USA. Doctors go over the top to make sure that they cannot be accused of not having done anything, but that this is bad because there are more side effects for people treated in teh USA because they get bombarded with all kinds of drugs, some which may not be neccessary.

He also talked about how here in NZ there are certain drugs patients are allowed to administer to themselves at home, whereas in teh USA you have to come back everyday, and will get charged a "chair fee". And also how if you are getting treated in certain centers, they have deals with certain pharamicies, and so will only treat you if you buy drugs from those places. But then those places usually have a huge mark up! (more good news for the poor).

Granted in some areas teh USA excels in research and is ahead, but then again whats the point of that excellent work if the masses dont even reap the benefits because the price is too high.

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 Diyo said


Believe it or not countries dont live to clone the USA & Britain. The countries that have civic liberties, have them because that is what the UN set out, not because they want to copy the USA & Britain. (Same guy who told me i need to read up)



you still need to read up:

The name "United Nations", coined by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt, was first used in the "Declaration by United Nations" of 1 January 1942, during the Second World War, when representatives of 26 nations pledged their Governments to continue f!ghting together against the Axis Powers. The US and britain (sometimes Japan) are the countries coming up with all the newest breakthroughs in science and technology and information. So we share it with the other cournties who don't have it Canada get is pretty much free being right there next to the US and have good relations so i can count Can in there as well though its a quiet nation.


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 13 years ago '05        #96
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I'll give you a reason:


THE ARMY sh*tTED ON ME WHEN I BECAME A SINGLE FATHER! CHAPTER 5-8A UNDER HONORABLE CONDITIONS!!

Thats somethin they let bi*ches choose when they end up pregnant when they not married!

 12-29-2005, 11:30 PM         #97
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lol @ this...

 12-29-2005, 11:38 PM         #98
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 Diyo said
Any simple google search will tell you straight away that going into Iraq without support from the UN was a violation! even Kofi Annan said it
LMAO I couldn't even read anymore because that is the funniest
thing I read on here in a long time

"even Kofi Annan said it" I LOVE IT!!! It doesn't get any better than that


 12-30-2005, 01:43 AM         #99
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ha, sees that he no longer has any argument left and tries to take the "i too cool to reply stance", whats funny about kofi annan saying something? He is after all teh sect gen of teh UN

LMAO you know you read that through just to check if i dissed you or anything. No need to be embarrased coz you ran out of things to say.

 12-30-2005, 03:29 AM         #100
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 rdl said
Just like the Iranian ppl benefit off the oil,
and the Saudi Arabian ppl?and the Nigrian ppl?
Ok you obviously dont know wats goin on , Saudia Arabias oil market is run by foreign companys, the Saudies dont have any whatsoever control over their oil, just look wat happened to King Faisal in 1975 ,he was a.ssasinated because of his oil embargo.
The Nigerians are being robbed of their oil by Shell companys , this is documented.

Now Iran is a different story, they are getting control but look at the price they are paying ...waiting for US invasion

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