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 12-12-2005, 02:29 PM         #26
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 Pegcityplaya said
u guys are fu*kin idiots, cuz hes a crip u wannabee e-thugs think they shouldnt k!ll the man. He k!lled 4 people, the least he could do is give his own life. Guy deserves to die.

Shut Up Homie...Just Shut Up,You Sound Dumber and Dumber By The Letter.

 13 years ago '05        #27
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 DJT said
What do you mean? Scaretactics? Fear? Since when has that ever worked...

You can't see it??
I'm saying if you from the hood you could see it... why do you think n*ggas snitch??? the penalties are way more strict than before. even with Juveniles, remember back in the day if you were under 18 and you k!lled someone they would release you at 18 that was in the early 90's. look at the murder rate within the last 15 years, and compare it to the murder rate in the early 90's which one is higher??? and to all ya'll young little mothafu*kers that think he shouldn't get his, ya'll are a bunch of hypocrites, and i'ma tell ya'll why.
In the hood its an unspoken law, You do something grimy like k!ll someone you retaliate your people go out and get them dudes that wronged you, at least where I'm from that how it goes down. this muthafu*ker Tookie just happen to get caught up with the worse gang (the government) so that’s what he gets coming, it ain't no different then it being in the street. an Eye for eye is the way I was brought up, and if you can't see that then I really need to switch over to the fantasy world of "e-thuggin'"

 12-12-2005, 02:46 PM         #28
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 fully_amazing said
You can't see it??
I'm saying if you from the hood you could see it... why do you think n*ggas snitch??? the penalties are way more strict than before. even with Juveniles, remember back in the day if you were under 18 and you k!lled someone they would release you at 18 that was in the early 90's. look at the murder rate within the last 15 years, and compare it to the murder rate in the early 90's which one is higher??? and to all ya'll young little mothafu*kers that think he shouldn't get his, ya'll are a bunch of hypocrites, and i'ma tell ya'll why.
In the hood its an unspoken law, You do something grimy like k!ll someone you retaliate your people go out and get them dudes that wronged you, at least where I'm from that how it goes down. this muthafu*ker Tookie just happen to get caught up with the worse gang (the government) so that’s what he gets coming, it ain't no different then it being in the street. an Eye for eye is the way I was brought up, and if you can't see that then I really need to switch over to the fantasy world of "e-thuggin'"
On a real, I could care less about all that "hood" sh!t... yeah, i grew up in a rough aread, yeah, heads had they own rules, but i'm sayin, you said it was a deterrence, and i'm askling how that's the case? And for the record, not everyone in the hood live by the motto of "eye for an eye", that, would, indeed, be a generalisation.

 13 years ago '04        #29
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 Pegcityplaya said
u guys are fu*kin idiots, cuz hes a crip u wannabee e-thugs think they shouldnt k!ll the man. He k!lled 4 people, the least he could do is give his own life. Guy deserves to die.
He deserves it because he's a gang member, and he k!lled 4 people huh....I guess your mom would deserve if she was a gang member, right? This is crazy, all this guy asks for is to live his life (in prison, no less) and continue to reach out to young ones that might be going down the wrong path. Not to mention the fact that 'til this day, he proclaims to be innocent, so he's never admitted to k!lling anyone. He's been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. He's not a monster, and he does not deserve to die. You talk about the people he "may" have k!lled, think of all the young kids lives this man has truly saved.

 13 years ago '05        #30
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 Skilllz said
Well, can't say I didn't see this coming. Oh well, he k!lled people and started a notorious street gang. What was he supposed to get? Flowers?

It's still sad to see another human life just whither away.

Like seriously. None of yall kids here don't seem to do research. There is no proof that Tookie k!lled 4 people. Tookie was found guilty by a jury, a jury of all white people, none of which was his peers. Just because he was found guilty doesn't make him guilty of k!lling 4 people. OJ Simpson wasn't found guilty, but does that mean he didn't k!ll Nicole or have something to do with it. Seriously you gotta think. He's not on trial for starting the crips, he's on trial for k!lling 4 people during an arm robbery. None of the evidence points to Tookies direction and he hasn't been retrialed with all the new technology because the gov. knows he is innocent. And until this day he maintains his innocent. And if you look at Tookie from the olden day, Tookie wouldn't need a gun to k!ll somebody, he could simply k!ll somebody with his Hulk Hogan arms so please, you need to get it right.

He started the crips, but the crips he started was not meant to gang bang on bloods. It was a revolution he was trying to start to better benefit the community. California/Community Revolution In Progress=C.R.I.P. The U.S. government realizes how powerful he is. If he is powerful to start an organization that has spread throughtout the world as gangs, he's powerful enough to stop gang banging. He's a triple triple triple OG. There's not one blood or crip that won't bow down if Tookie was to talk or try to stop gangbanging if he walked up to them. He has the potential to be the truest leader, the next Malcolm or Martin and stop gangbanging. But because jail is a business, America wants gangbanging to continue so they can capitalize off of that.

Tookie being sent to death is political. I just wish some of you all just wouldn't fall for any bullsh*t and actually do research b4 saying he started crips, he's a Hitler, he k!lled 4 people, and so on and so on.

 12-12-2005, 02:57 PM         #31
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damn tookie gon be like 17 days shy of seeing the New Year....

 12-12-2005, 03:03 PM         #32
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 L_U_C_K_T_A_N_A said
Shut Up Homie...Just Shut Up,You Sound Dumber and Dumber By The Letter.
Nope, he actually is stating a fact. Williams BRUTALLY murdered four people and showed NO remorse. After his arrest, he was amused by their suffering. He refuses to tell the feds about the crips. He claims he is innocent but has not done anything to prove it.


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 13 years ago '04        #33
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thats sad...i dont like the fact that he has to die, especially by those means.

 12-12-2005, 03:09 PM         #34
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 s3xyprada said
I am truly behooved..... For some reason or another I felt like Arnold Hatean*gga was gonna grant him the clemency! k!lling this man will prove nothing. His life should have been spared so he could continue his work!!!!! Judicial System Sucks!

God Bless Him!!!!!


"If we don't make earnest moves toward real solutions, then each day we move one day closer to revolution and anarchy in this country. This is the sad, and yet potentially joyous, state of America."

-Louis Farrakhan


I agree.

 13 years ago '05        #35
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 gunit00 said
Nope, he actually is stating a fact. Williams BRUTALLY murdered four people and showed NO remorse. After his arrest, he was amused by their suffering. He refuses to tell the feds about the crips. He claims he is innocent but has not done anything to prove it.
U R A FOOL. WERE U THERE FOR ALL THOSE THINGS. GO READ MY LAST POSTS!

 13 years ago '05        #36
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4REAL is right, none of you that have posted have done any research whatsoever. How can you even talk when you don't know the whole story behind this case? I don't know but maybe some of you should go read a book or something. Quit with the wannabe act and do something positive for yourself, for your family, for your friends and peers, for your community, and for your world. The CRIP's wasn't started for violence or any of that but to protect Willaims' community. There really isn't one set of meaning for what CRIP means so I'm going to have to disagree with you on that 4REAL. What you stated is only one meaning and there are others but none of which have been confirmed because Tookie doesn't want to talk about. There is no legitimate evidence that he did murder those four people but there also isn't any evidence that he didn't. Since the government refuses to use the new and improved technology that we use in everyday cases to determine what really happened somewhere, it leaves Tookie in a jam. The Governor already denied his request for clemency so there's a very low chance that it'll be overturned. As for riots breaking out if this happens, let them do what they believe. The people aren't going to let others decide what they think is right, and they shouldn't, and if that leads to riots, so be it. When riotting happens it's a form of either stupidity or the people disbelieving what the government is doing. In this case, I believe that it's the people disbelieving in what the government is doing is right.

 12-12-2005, 03:15 PM         #37
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 gunit00 said
Nope, he actually is stating a fact. Williams BRUTALLY murdered four people and showed NO remorse. After his arrest, he was amused by their suffering. He refuses to tell the feds about the crips. He claims he is innocent but has not done anything to prove it.
You gotta be one of the stupidest son of a bi*ches alive. If he maintained his innocence he would not be amused by their suffering, cuz that would automatically show ur guilty.

If he told the feds about the crips he'd be snitching and leaders don't do that. He would've been k!lled in a week in prison if he snithced.

"He claims he is innocent but has not done anything to prove it" is the dumbest thing u could say. How can he prove he's innocent? just say "i swear i didn't do it". In prison that's about all u can do. He's been denied a retrial and that's the only way he could possibly do anything to prove he's innocent.

So stop being ignorant and educate urself b4 u speak.

 13 years ago '05        #38
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 DJT said
On a real, I could care less about all that "hood" sh!t... yeah, i grew up in a rough aread, yeah, heads had they own rules, but i'm sayin, you said it was a deterrence, and i'm askling how that's the case? And for the record, not everyone in the hood live by the motto of "eye for an eye", that, would, indeed, be a generalisation.
The reason why I said it would be a deterrence would be, because just if the message even got through a hand full of kids; kids that don't have any type of direction in there lives, and choose the wrong path of life because they have fallen victims to their surroundings, then so be it. someone that wasn't a saint to begin with was sacrificed to make a difference , a revolutionist if you may to even guide the path of some of the children that this story might reach, and to spark the thought in their minds' to be like, " I don't want to end up like this guy" would be enough, as minorities we have immeasurable odds to begin with and just having one kid from the hood going to college is better than having another n*gga on a white T-shirt with R.I.P on it. So I don't understand how you can have a strong feeling towards this story if you ain't "on some Hood sh*t" because that one kid that might fall victim because of the influences of someone like this may be your own brother, cousin, friend, or God for bid your own child.

 13 years ago '04        #39
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dang he didnt deserve that we all know that this is a political thing

 13 years ago '05        #40
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R.I.P. He is going to a better place now.

Now L.A. is worried about riots, which if they riot then Arndold made the right decision. If Tookie living would have been able to help people stop the k!lling and crimes then when he dies they should know he wouldn't want them to riot and do more crimes and give the crips and other gangs a even worse name then they already have. I'm sure he would much rather them come together for a greater cause, pray that he makes it in to heaven and f!ght the original f!ghts that the crips had, which werent my block vs your block but equality and better oppurtunity for people that are growing up in less then good conditions.

 12-12-2005, 03:32 PM         #41
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Damn, fu*k Arnold Schwarzenegger, WTF is the point of clemency then, and he knew his decision within 5 minutes of the hearing but trying to make it look good on all sides...

At least Tookie is some what prepared for this and knew it was a long sh*t, i respect him not for the murders or his past life but his honour of keeping his plea and not snitchin, he'll go with diginity...

R.I.P

 13 years ago '05        #42
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Having riots has nothing to do with giving the CRIP's a bad/good name. It's a simple disagreement between the people and the government.

 12-12-2005, 03:43 PM         #43
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 D_roc01 said
You gotta be one of the stupidest son of a bi*ches alive. If he maintained his innocence he would not be amused by their suffering, cuz that would automatically show ur guilty.

If he told the feds about the crips he'd be snitching and leaders don't do that. He would've been k!lled in a week in prison if he snithced.

"He claims he is innocent but has not done anything to prove it" is the dumbest thing u could say. How can he prove he's innocent? just say "i swear i didn't do it". In prison that's about all u can do. He's been denied a retrial and that's the only way he could possibly do anything to prove he's innocent.

So stop being ignorant and educate urself b4 u speak.
I suggest yall to hop off the murderers d!ck.

 13 years ago '05        #44
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 gunit00 said
I suggest yall to hop off the murderers d!ck.
I suggest you get off the government's private also. You ain't nothing but an "Everything Bush & THE US Government comes up with" ridah.

 13 years ago '05        #45
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 Myworld82 said
He deserves it because he's a gang member, and he k!lled 4 people huh....I guess your mom would deserve if she was a gang member, right? This is crazy, all this guy asks for is to live his life (in prison, no less) and continue to reach out to young ones that might be going down the wrong path. Not to mention the fact that 'til this day, he proclaims to be innocent, so he's never admitted to k!lling anyone. He's been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. He's not a monster, and he does not deserve to die. You talk about the people he "may" have k!lled, think of all the young kids lives this man has truly saved.
LMAO Shut tha fu*k up.

 13 years ago '05        #46
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DEFENDANT: STANLEY TOOKIE WILLIAMS, MB/25, (At time of offense)
LASD FILE: 1979-04349-0372-010
DATE: March 11, 1979, 0530 Hours
LOCATION: Brookhaven Motel, 10411 S. Vermont Ave., Los Angeles

MO: Stanley Tookie Williams and 1 companion entered the motel, a small family-run business, and forced their way into the living quarters of Tsai-Shen Yang, FO/63, her husband Yen-Yi Yang, MO/63, and their daughter Ye-Chen Lin, FO/43. Armed with a 12 gage shotgun, Williams shot Tsai once in the upper body, and once in the base of her spine, k!lling her instantly. Yen-Yi was shot twice in the upper body, and Ye-Chin was shot once in the head. Both father and daughter died within hours at local hospitals. Williams and his companion took what cash they could find (Estimated at $50-$100) before fleeing.

INVEST: Sheriff’‘s Homicide Detectives Jack Fueglein and Barry Jones were a.ssigned the case in Pico Rivera, and Sergeant Gene Hetzel and Detective James Solar were a.ssigned the triple-murder at the motel. The fact that Williams had k!lled 4 innocent people in 12 days apparently shocked even a.ssociates of the k!ller as numerous tips were received from the community. The shotgun was recovered and was matched ballistically to both murders. The detectives utilized their inter-personal skills to obtain information and cooperation from witnesses, including some of Williams’ co-conspirators, who stated that Williams told them that he never permitted robbery victims to live to become witnesses against him. Williams, who is the co-founder of the Crips Street Gang, was found guilty of the four murders, and lessor included offenses, and was given the death penalty. He is now in his early 50's, and resides on death Row in San Quentin State Prison.


He was found guilty of k!lling 4 people for 100 dollars at most, these people weren't criminals, nor bad people I a.ssume and for 100 dollars he k!lls them. If I were part of their family, I couldn't give a sh*t if he found the cure to aids, knowing he k!lled 4 of my family members for 25 bucks a piece, I'd still think he deserved to die.

Yes he has rehabilitated himself, and wrote children books encouraging them to sway away from the gang life, but that doesn't change the fact he murdered 4 people, there isn't even any proof from his defense that he didn't commit the murders, if new technology could solve definetly proove he was innocent, it'd be used in a second, but obviously technology isn't realavent. If he were granted clemency he would have spent life in jail, which is a worse sentence than death(imo), knowing that you will die in a place like that of old age, is fu*ked up. If he were innocent, it wouldn't be a f!ght for clemency, but a pardon, obviously this is not the case and therefore they f!ght for clemency due to his accomplishments while in jail.

Rehabilitation doesn't mean they should be released of their punishment, rehabilitation is a personal choice, not something demanded.

If we give clemency to someone who murders, it's only time before a child molester ask for his sentence to reduced from life to 25 because he has turned his life around and done something extrordinary during his time in prison.


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 12-12-2005, 04:03 PM         #47
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read the following paragraph from the 'Statement of Descision' by Schwarzenegger

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The dedication of Williams' book "Life in Prison" casts significant doubt on his personal redemption. This book was published in 1998, several years after Williams' claimed redemptive experience. Specifically, the book is dedicated to "Nelson Mandela, Angela Davis, Malcom X, Assata Shakur, Geronimo Ji Jaga Pratt, Ramona Africa, John Africa, Leonard Peltier, Dhoruba Al-Mujahid, George Jackson, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and the countless other men, women, and youths who have to endure the hellish oppression of living behind bars." The mix of individuals on this list is curious. Most have violent pasts and some have been convicted of committing heinous murders, including the k!lling of law enforcement. But the inclusion of George Jackson on this list defies reason and is a significant indicator that Williams is not reformed and that he still sees violence and lawlessness as a legitimate means to address societal problems.

...

read the full Tookie Clemency Statement Of Descision here:
[CODE]http://www.governor.ca.gov/govsite/pdf/press_release_2005/Williams_Clemency_Statement.pdf[/CODE]

:wow:


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 13 years ago '04        #48
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Time for us to sit back and enjoy the riots *pulls out a lazyboy*

 12-12-2005, 04:17 PM         #49
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 DJT said
WHAT WILL k!llING THIS MAN DO???!??

Yeah everyone mad... NOBODY wants their family/loved -ones to die, but this does NOT solve ANYTHING.... DO THEY THINK THIS IS "JUSTICE"? "REVENGE"? what a shame man... in such a so-called "modern" "CIVILISED" society, you STILL resort to k!lling a man... even when it looks like he's turned his life around...

:applause: :applause: I applaude your "justice system".......... :applause: :applause:
and what country would you prefer to live in?

This n*gga woulda been k!lled years ago in any other country

 12-12-2005, 04:21 PM         #50
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Williams was convicted of k!lling Yen-I Yang, 76, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, 63, and Yu-Chin Yang Lin, 43, at a Los Angeles motel the family owned, and Albert Owens, 26, a 7-Eleven clerk gunned down in Whittier.

this n*gga erased a family past present and future and somebodys brother,father whatever and people stil lthink he deserves clemency?

and stupid people will always turn it into a racist thing no matter what
there have been 1000+ executions but with this one they are racist?
racism is a disease only found in ignorant minds-this have nothing to do with racism
i can name past whites that where executed. people in general need to wise up and stop being the plus sign to ignorance.

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