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 11-25-2005, 03:54 PM         #141
RediKnight  OP
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
rex grossman is said to be the starter this sunday... i think they should stick with kyle orton even if hes lackluster.. b/c hes been on a hot streak
Just got this from yahoo today.

Nov 25 Chicago Bears QB Rex Grossman (ankle) practiced again Friday, Nov. 25. He will serve as the team's No. 3 quarterback this weekend in the team's Week 12 game.

Here is what Vic Carucci had to say about Simms and Orton when asked:

Which young quarterback, Tampa Bay's Chris Simms or Chicago's Kyle Orton, will make the fewest mistakes and enough big plays when needed to make the difference in this compelling NFC showdown?

I'll go with Simms for two reasons, and the first has nothing to do with Simms.

It has to do with the Buccaneers' run defense, which should be able to prevent the Bears from having a whole lot of success on the ground. Chicago's backs, Thomas Jones and Adrian Peterson (and Cedric Benson when he is healthy), are productive and have done a nice job of carrying the team's offensive load. But the Bucs' defenders are extremely active and quick, and should be able to stop Jones from utilizing his considerable outside speed. Peterson doesn't offer the same ability to turn the corner, nor does he have much power to run between the tackles, where Tampa Bay can be vulnerable.

Chris Simms is averaging 230 yards the past four games, completing 58 percent of his passes. Although the Bears have gotten surprisingly strong play from their offensive line, they don't have the athleticism to handle Tampa Bay's rangy linebackers who make a great deal of plays against the run. And if the Bears don't have success running the ball, that will increase the pressure on Orton to make plays. The rookie has made decent progress since becoming the starter at the beginning of the season in place of injured Rex Grossman, but the Bears coaches have played it mostly safe with what they've asked him to do in an effort to help keep his mistakes to a minimum. That should allow the Bucs to bring a safety close to the line for run support, which at some point will force the Bears to take more chances with Orton. And he is likely to have additional problems dealing with a hostile environment on the road.

On the other hand, Simms has grown more comfortable in the role as Tampa Bay's No. 1 quarterback. The Buccaneers face a major challenge in trying to move the ball on the ground or through the air against the NFL's top-ranked defense. However, when they need some big plays from their passing game, Simms and Joey Galloway should be able to connect on more than a few occasions.


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 11-25-2005, 03:55 PM         #142
krOnikk  OP
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
rex grossman is said to be the starter this sunday... i think they should stick with kyle orton even if hes lackluster.. b/c hes been on a hot streak
Nah.

Rex is suiting up for the first time. He isn't fully healed yet so he'll be the 3rd string QB.

Orton is starting.
 11-25-2005, 03:57 PM         #143
krOnikk  OP
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 RediKnight said:
Just got this from yahoo today.

Nov 25 Chicago Bears QB Rex Grossman (ankle) practiced again Friday, Nov. 25. He will serve as the team's No. 3 quarterback this weekend in the team's Week 12 game.

Here is what Vic Carucci had to say about Simms and Orton when asked:

Which young quarterback, Tampa Bay's Chris Simms or Chicago's Kyle Orton, will make the fewest mistakes and enough big plays when needed to make the difference in this compelling NFC showdown?

I'll go with Simms for two reasons, and the first has nothing to do with Simms.

It has to do with the Buccaneers' run defense, which should be able to prevent the Bears from having a whole lot of success on the ground. Chicago's backs, Thomas Jones and Adrian Peterson (and Cedric Benson when he is healthy), are productive and have done a nice job of carrying the team's offensive load. But the Bucs' defenders are extremely active and quick, and should be able to stop Jones from utilizing his considerable outside speed. Peterson doesn't offer the same ability to turn the corner, nor does he have much power to run between the tackles, where Tampa Bay can be vulnerable.

Chris Simms is averaging 230 yards the past four games, completing 58 percent of his passes. Although the Bears have gotten surprisingly strong play from their offensive line, they don't have the athleticism to handle Tampa Bay's rangy linebackers who make a great deal of plays against the run. And if the Bears don't have success running the ball, that will increase the pressure on Orton to make plays. The rookie has made decent progress since becoming the starter at the beginning of the season in place of injured Rex Grossman, but the Bears coaches have played it mostly safe with what they've asked him to do in an effort to help keep his mistakes to a minimum. That should allow the Bucs to bring a safety close to the line for run support, which at some point will force the Bears to take more chances with Orton. And he is likely to have additional problems dealing with a hostile environment on the road.

On the other hand, Simms has grown more comfortable in the role as Tampa Bay's No. 1 quarterback. The Buccaneers face a major challenge in trying to move the ball on the ground or through the air against the NFL's top-ranked defense. However, when they need some big plays from their passing game, Simms and Joey Galloway should be able to connect on more than a few occasions.

That doesn't mean sh*t. It's just one persons opinion. A lot of people are predicting the Bears also.
 11-25-2005, 03:58 PM         #144
krOnikk  OP
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 RediKnight said:
Just got this from yahoo today.

Nov 25 Chicago Bears QB Rex Grossman (ankle) practiced again Friday, Nov. 25. He will serve as the team's No. 3 quarterback this weekend in the team's Week 12 game.

Here is what Vic Carucci had to say about Simms and Orton when asked:

[B]It has to do with the Buccaneers' run defense, which should be able to prevent the Bears from having a whole lot of success on the ground. Chicago's backs, Thomas Jones and Adrian Peterson (and Cedric Benson when he is healthy), are productive and have done a nice job of carrying the team's offensive load. But the Bucs' defenders are extremely active and quick, and should be able to stop Jones from utilizing his considerable outside speed. Peterson doesn't offer the same ability to turn the corner, nor does he have much power to run between the tackles, where Tampa Bay can be vulnerable.
Jones runs his best yards BETWEEN the tackles. Carolina was ranked number 1 or 2 against the run and we STILL got over 120+ yards on them.
 11-25-2005, 04:01 PM         #145
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Tampa Bay's current dilemma: What's happened to the defense? In the past three games, the D has given up 96 points and 412 rushing yards. It has allowed opponents to convert almost 42 percent of their third downs during the past three games. It's the worst three-game stretch during the 10-year reign of defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. Suddenly, the Bucs' rankings have slipped to third defensively and eighth against the run. One issue is that hamstring problems have affected linebacker Derrick Brooks, who isn't changing directions well. The secondary is pulling practice-squad players onto the field to play safety. Defensive end Greg Spires has a shoulder sprain that isn't getting better.
 11-25-2005, 04:24 PM         #146
RediKnight  OP
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 krOnikk said:
Tampa Bay's current dilemma: What's happened to the defense? In the past three games, the D has given up 96 points and 412 rushing yards. It has allowed opponents to convert almost 42 percent of their third downs during the past three games. It's the worst three-game stretch during the 10-year reign of defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. Suddenly, the Bucs' rankings have slipped to third defensively and eighth against the run. One issue is that hamstring problems have affected linebacker Derrick Brooks, who isn't changing directions well. The secondary is pulling practice-squad players onto the field to play safety. Defensive end Greg Spires has a shoulder sprain that isn't getting better.
Derrick Brooks had a monster game last week. 8 tackles, 1 sack, and a forced fumble. Derrick Brooks will sh*t all over the Bears running game.
 11-25-2005, 04:29 PM         #147
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 RediKnight said:
Derrick Brooks had a monster game last week. 8 tackles, 1 sack, and a forced fumble. Derrick Brooks will sh*t all over the Bears running game.
Your point is? Atlanta is not Chicago and they still gave up alot of points.
 11-25-2005, 04:33 PM         #148
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i got the bears to beat the bucs, who wanna make a friendly bet?
 11-25-2005, 04:43 PM         #149
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 krOnikk said:
Your point is? Atlanta is not Chicago and they still gave up alot of points.
My point is that the Bears really haven't had to rely on Orton this year because they have been able to run the ball okay. The Buccs gave up a lot of points to Atlanta's offense that scores 24.6 a game. Chicago has scored 16.9 a game. Even giving up all those points on the road the Buccs were still able to win. It is hard for any offense to score points in Tampa. Bears are going down this week.
 11-25-2005, 04:44 PM         #150
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 Willie McDougle said:
i got the bears to beat the bucs, who wanna make a friendly bet?
if nobody wagers me on the Packers and Eagles then I will take that bet.
 11-25-2005, 04:46 PM         #151
krOnikk  OP
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 RediKnight said:
My point is that the Bears really haven't had to rely on Orton this year because they have been able to run the ball okay. The Buccs gave up a lot of points to Atlanta's offense that scores 24.6 a game. Chicago has scored 16.9 a game. Even giving up all those points on the road the Buccs were still able to win. It is hard for any offense to score points in Tampa. Bears are going down this week.
You're talking like Tampa has been playing great lately.

Stat for you: Tampa Bay has given up over 330 rush yards in the last 2 games. More than 25 points per game in the last 3 games.


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 12 years ago '04        #152
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i'm kinda torn on this one... i need the bears to lose because they are up on us in the playoff seeding, but i want the bucs to lose cuz they're in our division... so whichever team wins, some good will come out of it
 11-25-2005, 04:58 PM         #153
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 krOnikk said:
You're talking like Tampa has been playing great lately.

Stat for you: Tampa Bay has given up over 330 rush yards in the last 2 games.
Scary for the Bears considering Tampa won both those games.
 11-25-2005, 04:59 PM         #154
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 RediKnight said:
Scary for the Bears considering Tampa won both those games.
because they played defenses that played just as horrible as they did. Chicago will dominate on defense once again.


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 12 years ago '04        #155
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 RediKnight said:
Scary for the Bears considering Tampa won both those games.
yeah, but tampa wasn't exactly playing the best defenses in those games so they had some room to work...chicago's defense will smother them. it will be a good game. wish it was on tv here
 11-25-2005, 05:03 PM         #156
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 krOnikk said:
because they played defenses that played just as horrible as they did. They won't do that against the Bears.
And there is no way the Bears will rush for over 100 in Tampa.
 11-25-2005, 05:08 PM         #157
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 RediKnight said:
And there is no way the Bears will rush for over 100 in Tampa.
You don't even get to watch the Bears games, so I don't expect you to know what the fu*k you're talking about.

Chicago hasn't been held to under 100 yards rushing since Week 1 and have the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.

You're basing your entire judgment on this game with your homerism of the Packers.
 11-25-2005, 05:09 PM         #158
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 uncfan888 said:
yeah, but tampa wasn't exactly playing the best defenses in those games so they had some room to work...chicago's defense will smother them. it will be a good game. wish it was on tv here
You might be able to find a place to watch the game here
 12 years ago '04        #159
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 RediKnight said:
You might be able to find a place to watch the game here [WEBSITE LINK]

thanks man. i'll probbaly just chill at the house and check out the ESPN.com gamecast. there are 2 good games on tv here sunday. Panthers@bills, then seahawks and giants.
 11-25-2005, 05:16 PM         #160
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 krOnikk said:
You don't even get to watch the Bears games, so I don't expect you to know what the fu*k you're talking about.

Chicago hasn't been held to under 100 yards rushing since Week 1 and have the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.

You're basing your entire judgment on this game with your homerism of the Packers.
Ha! I have at least 5 sports bars within 2 minutes from my house or casino sports books to watch every game every week. I also play fantasy football and have had the Bears defense the entire year so I've been paying attention. I have Mike Brown on one of my squads and Urlacher on another. I know you guys have a better chance than I give you but I like giving you a hard time.

I just give Tampa the slight edge because I think they will come through with a solid game plan for the Bears. I have faith in Gruden and his knowledge of the Bears. I also have faith in Monte Kiffin. Tampa's defense rarely plays three bad games in a row. They are coming off two tough wins and they get the Bears at home.


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