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 13 years ago '05        #651
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 Escrow said
I never said Michigan was 10x better, that was Aesop....and I do agree, but known players don't always mean better, you hear of Hawk(I know other's but its a general statement towards the US NCAA football audience).....I never use "we" when I speak of Michigan because I am not on the team, just a fan....All i was saying is that when OSU has a top 5 defense, and Michigan has a top 20(18) in the NCAA, things get skewed, both have great defenses and offenses, and this game is going to be awesome.....I don't need you to write a book to explain your view on things, stats do mean a lot, stats are reasons games are won and lost, that is why I use them, stats=facts and facts=truth.
First off you cosigned Aesop's statements. Second YOU wrote just as much if not more than me so you can k!ll the "dont need you to write a book explanation."

Third, and lastly, if "stats=facts and facts=truth" than we have a better offense, defense, and special teams, so the fact is we are better in every major facet of the game.....since "stats=facts and facts=truth."

Try again.


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 11-13-2005, 11:13 AM         #652
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OSU has the better defense and Michigan probably has the better offense

 11-13-2005, 12:15 PM         #653
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 Y2Luda said
First off you cosigned Aesop's statements. Second YOU wrote just as much if not more than me so you can k!ll the "dont need you to write a book explanation."

Third, and lastly, if "stats=facts and facts=truth" than we have a better offense, defense, and special teams, so the fact is we are better in every major facet of the game.....since "stats=facts and facts=truth."

Try again.

That's fine....hope you have as much fun watching the game as I will

but for the record

Scoring
OSU 33.3
UM 29.6

Passing offense
UM 2179
OSU 2066

Rushing Offense
OSU 1967
UM 1777

Penalties
UM 39
OSU 53

TOP
UM 33:27
OSU 32:10

Defense
PPG
OSU 14.2
UM 18.7

Passing D
OSU 1833
UM 1880

Rushing D
OSU 787 :wow:
UM 1379

With that said....this game will be great and besides Rushing Defense...per game these teams are very close.....Good Luck next week


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 13 years ago '05        #654
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 Aesop730 said
michigans defense is just as good as osu , and the offense is 10x better ..

michigan is nowhere near OSU's level on defense. Ohio State has a great D, michigan has a good one. Ohio State is ranked #1 in every defensive catergory in the Big Ten and a Top 10 defense nationally...........michigan is not!

Ohio State shut down UM last year and this team is alot better. Mike Hart or whoever won't run against this D and Chad Henne will be a sitting DUCK.



with all due respect................... :finger: michigan, is that better Escrow.


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 13 years ago '05        #655
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Songs of The Ohio State University

We Don't Give a Damn for the Whole State of Michigan

O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Ohio
We're from Ohio...O-H
We're from Ohio...I-O
O, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from Ohio



:finger: michigan

 13 years ago '04        #656
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 Y2Luda said
I'm not talking intensity, I'm talking stricly talent level on the field and how they've played up to this point in the season, it's not hard to call. Ohio State's defense has played better, easily. You people want to seem to take it as a knock against you by saying it's no contest, I dont mean that as in your defense is bad, it's just our is better without much debate.

Offensively it's a joke to think you guys are 10X better when we average more points and yards than you guys, but like I always say numbers aren't everything and that is why I said you guys have a slight edge.

Special teams is again a Buckeye stat, easily.

Intangibles is a Wolverine stat, easily.
May be better but no EASILY better......Steve brea$ton has gotten back on track in the last few weeks and SHOULD'VE taken TWO punts back yesterday but he cut the wrong way twice......our punter is doing well and Garrett Rivas in decent......IF OSU has better special teams it only because of the field goal kickers......

 13 years ago '04        #657
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OSU had great run defense two years ago and Chris Perry sh*t on them.....Mike Hart is just as good as Chris Perry so I woudn't be surprised to see him get 100+....NOT SAYING IT'S GONNA HAPPEN! but everyone thought it was impossible a couple years ago and and that defense was just as good as OSU's defense this year.......

 13 years ago '05        #658
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 JBeezy said
OSU had great run defense two years ago and Chris Perry sh*t on them.....Mike Hart is just as good as Chris Perry so I woudn't be surprised to see him get 100+....NOT SAYING IT'S GONNA HAPPEN! but everyone thought it was impossible a couple years ago and and that defense was just as good as OSU's defense this year.......
DAMN!!!! Did you forget about last year???? Mike Hart didn't do sh*t last and WON'T do sh*t this year!!!!! And statisically this defense is better!

Ohio State #5 in total defense............michigan is #36.....get the fu*k outta here, UM is not even close to Ohio State, close to TCU, Troy and Marshall, but not Ohio State.

Rushing Defense
Ohio State is #2.....michigan is #48.......not even close!

Sacks
Ohio State is #3.......michigan #68

Tackles for Loss
Ohio State is #29..............michigan #57.........i guess you can call that close.

I'll stop now , but that sh*t was TOO funny!!!


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 11-13-2005, 01:25 PM         #659
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 BadAzzYelloGirl said
DAMN!!!! Did you forget about last year???? Mike Hart didn't do sh*t last and WON'T do sh*t this year!!!!! And statisically this defense is better!

Ohio State #5 in total defense............michigan is #36.....get the fu*k outta here, UM is not even close to Ohio State, close to TCU, Troy and Marshall, but not Ohio State.


Sacks
Ohio State is #3.......michigan #68

Tackles for Loss
Ohio State is #29..............michigan #57.........i guess you can call that close.

I'll stop now , but that sh*t was TOO funny!!!
OSU #5
UM #18

That is the rankings for total defense in DIV 1-A.....pretty close to me

 13 years ago '05        #660
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 JBeezy said
May be better but no EASILY better......Steve brea$ton has gotten back on track in the last few weeks and SHOULD'VE taken TWO punts back yesterday but he cut the wrong way twice......our punter is doing well and Garrett Rivas in decent......IF OSU has better special teams it only because of the field goal kickers......
No it's easily. We have a FG kicker that is considerably better than yours. Our kicker consistently produces touchbacks AND is above average in precision as far as punts go. Your kickoffs aren't touchbacks nearly as much as ours, but none-the-less noones not many in the countries are.

As far as the returners, Ginn/brea$ton is a wash but when you thrown in Holmes advantage us.

...also about your comment concerning the run defense, last year Hart was the golden boy and you see what happened and that was more recent not to mention most of those players are still here so I dont know why you'd bring up TWO years ago.

P.S. Escrow, I dont know why you put up those numbers, by your own admission they are the truth, with that said we are better than. I'm not saying that because of personal preference, I'm just going by YOUR logic.

 13 years ago '05        #661
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 Escrow said
OSU #5
UM #18

That is the rankings for total defense in DIV 1-A.....pretty close to me
WRONG!

according to the NCAA Ohio State is #5 michigan is #36.............not even close, try again.

 13 years ago '04        #662
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 Y2Luda said
No it's easily. We have a FG kicker that is considerably better than yours. Our kicker consistently produces touchbacks AND is above average in precision as far as punts go. Your kickoffs aren't touchbacks nearly as much as ours, but none-the-less noones not many in the countries are.

As far as the returners, Ginn/brea$ton is a wash but when you thrown in Holmes advantage us.

...also about your comment concerning the run defense, last year Hart was the golden boy and you see what happened and that was more recent not to mention most of those players are still here so I dont know why you'd bring up TWO years ago.

P.S. Escrow, I dont know why you put up those numbers, by your own admission they are the truth, with that said we are better than. I'm not saying that because of personal preference, I'm just going by YOUR logic.
I was just brining up the scenario....I wasn't bragging or anything....I'm just saying NO ONE thought it could happen then, just like NO ONE thinks it can happen now....so I wouldn't be surprised, I'm not saying it's gonna though.......

And only one person can return the ball at a time...so yea you have Holmes and Ginn but brea$ton is as good if not better than those two.......and I already admitted your kicker was better......so lets just say we both have kick/punt returners that are very good and can make a huge play at any given time.....

 11-13-2005, 01:33 PM         #663
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 Y2Luda said
P.S. Escrow, I dont know why you put up those numbers, by your own admission they are the truth, with that said we are better than. I'm not saying that because of personal preference, I'm just going by YOUR logic.
My logic for putting that up was to show how close the stats really are....the way you and BadAzz talk....you act like Michigan is Buffalo U.

 13 years ago '05        #664
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 JBeezy said
I was just brining up the scenario....I wasn't bragging or anything....I'm just saying NO ONE thought it could happen then, just like NO ONE thinks it can happen now....so I wouldn't be surprised, I'm not saying it's gonna though.......

And only one person can return the ball at a time...so yea you have Holmes and Ginn but brea$ton is as good if not better than those two.......and I already admitted your kicker was better......so lets just say we both have kick/punt returners that are very good and can make a huge play at any given time.....

I didn't think you were bragging.

Special teams is more than returners. You already know about the FG's but kickoffs and punts as well we have an advantage. You are correct about brea$ton being a wash with Ginn and them and only one can return BUT two things. First off not many people get kickoff returns against us because of the touchbacks, Huston has a ridiculous string of them right now [minus the ONE in the NW game] AND we have a good enough punter to kick away from him.......if you kick away from Ginn you have Holmes, that was the reason I mentioned him.

Bottom line is: OSU special teams has a decided advantage over UM. You guy aren't bad by any stretch of the imagination BUT the advantage is clearly Bucks.

 13 years ago '05        #665
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 Escrow said
My logic for putting that up was to show how close the stats really are....the way you and BadAzz talk....you act like Michigan is Buffalo U.
I've said on more than one occasion that you guys are good, so stop lying to yourself to try and further justify nonsense.

YOU co-signed that the defense was equal, it clearly isn't.

YOU co-signed that the offense is 10X better, it clearly isn't. I had even said prior to that comment that I think the advantage is Michigan in that area.

YOU act like OSU isn't OSU, not the other way around.


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 11-13-2005, 01:46 PM         #666
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 Y2Luda said
I've said on more than one occasion that you guys are good, so stop lying to yourself to try and further justify nonsense.

YOU co-signed that the defense was equal, it clearly isn't.

YOU co-signed that the offense is 10X better, it clearly isn't. I had even said prior to that comment that I think the advantage is Michigan in that area.

YOU act like OSU isn't OSU, not the other way around.

False...if you read further back ....I thought that OSU should of been Big Ten champs...think about it...2 years ago they were a bunch of freshman...sort of like UNC in Basketball, they should of been undefeated....so don't trip about that.......you all blow Tressel and give no respect to others in the league...and I already said I didn't say they were 10x better...my bad for quoting the whole statement..get over yourselves.


Michigan beat Penn State...OSU did not...Michigan lost to Minnesota, OSU beat them by 14....all I am saying is that these two teams are very similar(as most Big 10 teams are) and on Saturday, the game will be entertaining to watch

 13 years ago '05        #667
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 Escrow said
False...if you read further back ....I thought that OSU should of been Big Ten champs...think about it...2 years ago they were a bunch of freshman...sort of like UNC in Basketball, they should of been undefeated....so don't trip about that.......you all blow Tressel and give no respect to others in the league...and I already said I didn't say they were 10x better...my bad for quoting the whole statement..get over yourselves.


Michigan beat Penn State...OSU did not...Michigan lost to Minnesota, OSU beat them by 14....all I am saying is that these two teams are very similar(as most Big 10 teams are) and on Saturday, the game will be entertaining to watch
Just because you claim to have taken the sh*t back doesn't make it false, if you punch someone in the head and say it was an accident that doesn't mean you didn't punch someone.

I dont dislike Tressel, but earlier in the year his playcalling was more than skeptical. His playbook has opened up, like we called for earlier in the year, and you see the numbers we put up now. I faaaaaaaaaaaar from "blow" him and have given respect to the teams when due, dont try and act like I'm some OSU diehard and that is all I care about....please.

Lastly, if that was what you were trying to say you have a sh*tty way of doing it. Try typing what you mean next time to save yourself the trouble.


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 13 years ago '04        #668
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 Y2Luda said
I didn't think you were bragging.

Special teams is more than returners. You already know about the FG's but kickoffs and punts as well we have an advantage. You are correct about brea$ton being a wash with Ginn and them and only one can return BUT two things. First off not many people get kickoff returns against us because of the touchbacks, Huston has a ridiculous string of them right now [minus the ONE in the NW game] AND we have a good enough punter to kick away from him.......if you kick away from Ginn you have Holmes, that was the reason I mentioned him.

Bottom line is: OSU special teams has a decided advantage over UM. You guy aren't bad by any stretch of the imagination BUT the advantage is clearly Bucks.
Indiana didn't return any yesterday because Ross Ryan(Our punter) kept booming them outta the endzone too......and I get what your saying about Ginn/Homles now......personaly, I'd kick it to Homles every time because we know Ginn aint gonna block no one......

 11-13-2005, 01:56 PM         #669
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 Y2Luda said
Just because you claim to have taken the sh*t back doesn't make it false, if you punch someone in the head and say it was an accident that doesn't mean you didn't punch someone.
Don't be so quick to read into things...look at the statement then make a judgement.

 Y2Luda said
I dont dislike Tressel, but earlier in the year his playcalling was more than skeptical. His playbook has opened up, like we called for earlier in the year, and you see the numbers we put up now. I faaaaaaaaaaaar from "blow" him and have given respect to the teams when due, dont try and act like I'm some OSU diehard and that is all I care about....please.
The fact that you are getting pissed and making excuses proves this wrong.

 Y2Luda said
Lastly, if that was what you were trying to say you have a sh*tty way of doing it. Try typing what you mean next time to save yourself the trouble.
All I was trying to say...don't sell other teams short and have fun watching a great game Saturday

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 Escrow said
Don't be so quick to read into things...look at the statement then make a judgement.



The fact that you are getting pissed and making excuses proves this wrong.



All I was trying to say...don't sell other teams short and have fun watching a great game Saturday
I read and comprehended what you said. You're wrong, just because you take something back doens't make it false. If I have to explain it any further than that than it is more than enough explanation as to why I shouldn't and your a lost cause.

I'm far from getting pissed and haven't made ONE excuse. YOU on the other hand are continuing to just throw random things out here and hoping something sticks.........still 0-whatever.

Lastly, again if that is all your trying to say you have a sh*tty way of doing it. It is rather simple to say but somehow you messed it up, dont blame that on me.


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 11-13-2005, 02:00 PM         #671
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I read and comprehended what you said. You're wrong, just because you take something back doens't make it false. If I have to explain it any further than that than it is more than enough explanation as to why I shouldn't and your a lost cause.

I'm far from getting pissed and haven't made ONE excuse. YOU on the other hand are continuing to just throw random things out here and hoping something sticks.........still 0-whatever.

Lastly, again if that is all your trying to say you have a sh*tty way of doing it. It is rather simple to say but somehow you messed it up, dont blame that on me.

Whatever bro.....quit getting worked up.........watch the game next week and enjoy it.

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 Escrow said
Whatever bro.....quit getting worked up.........watch the game next week and enjoy it.
Either you smartened up and decided to end this little one sided debate, or you ran out of stuff to say.....either way *thumbs up* to you.

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ima take brea$ton over ginn and avant over holmes ... hawk is osu defense and thats what seperates them from michigan but michigan is a better offense , and a defense thats not too far behind osu but we could argue over this all day it dont matter cause its settled on saturday .

 11-13-2005, 02:08 PM         #674
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Either you smartened up and decided to end this little one sided debate, or you ran out of stuff to say.....either way *thumbs up* to you.

Actually I realized that you can't lose an argument so I am not going to try and get through to you anymore...your track record in this thread is not very good...you argue with everyone(even fans of the same team).

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Actually I realized that you can't lose an argument so I am not going to try and get through to you anymore...your track record in this thread is not very good...you argue with everyone(even fans of the same team).
I can lose an arguement, just not to someone who doesn't understand common sense and logic....i.e. you.

I "argue" when someone says something wrong, I dont avoid it because they like the same team as me. That is idiotic.

My "track record" isn't very good because I "argue" with people? How about how many of them were correct? Not many, which would make my "track record" just fine.

Try again scrappy.

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