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 13 years ago '04        #61
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 whoitbes said
Denver has already been 10-6 the last 2 seasons and they just keep making the Defense better so I'll say they go at least 11-5 this year.
How did their defense get better ,,, They lost 2 good players and the only good offseason moves they made were resigning Pryce and signing Gold --- Other than that all they did was inherit the DLine of the 31st ranked rushing defense with a bunch of 1st round draft wash outs --- Then in the draft what was Shanarat thinking in drafting like 4 straight CB's and then Clarett lol ,,, He has gone off his rocker --- Denver will be 9-7 at best this year with a extremely hard schedule

 07-11-2005, 01:09 AM         #62
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TITANS and i say since its a rebuilding year i say they go .500
COWBOYS and they go like 10-6 and make playoffs
DOLPHINS and they go like .500
CARDNIALS and they go like 9-7
and last but not least J-E-T-S JETS, JETS, JETS and they go all the way to the AFC Championship...


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 07-11-2005, 01:12 AM         #63
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 Slayn said
How did their defense get better ,,, They lost 2 good players and the only good offseason moves they made were resigning Pryce and signing Gold --- Other than that all they did was inherit the DLine of the 31st ranked rushing defense with a bunch of 1st round draft wash outs --- Then in the draft what was Shanarat thinking in drafting like 4 straight CB's and then Clarett lol ,,, He has gone off his rocker --- Denver will be 9-7 at best this year with a extremely hard schedule
We got rid of a CB and a safety. Lenny Walls is back from injury and would be the #1 CB anyway if Bailey wasn't there, so now we have a great #1 and a good #2 CB. Pryce is back from injury and he makes a big difference. Bailey and Lynch we're pro bowlers last year. The D-line improvements and getting a good #2 CB were the last things we needed. 11-5 or better for Denver.

Also as a chief's fan you shouldn't be putting down anyone else's D. Good luck containing Moss this year.


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 07-11-2005, 01:32 AM         #64
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Falcons!!

 13 years ago '04        #65
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 whoitbes said
We got rid of a CB and a safety. Lenny Walls is back from injury and would be the #1 CB anyway if Bailey wasn't there, so now we have a great #1 and a good #2 CB. Pryce is back from injury and he makes a big difference. Bailey and Lynch we're pro bowlers last year. The D-line improvements and getting a good #2 CB were the last things we needed. 11-5 or better for Denver.

Also as a chief's fan you shouldn't be putting down anyone else's D. Good luck containing Moss this year.

Moss lol ,,, We acquired half the secondary of the number 2 ranked passing defense --- and with c*cktail Collins going under pressure from our 9th ranked sacking attack that will just be a chain effect ,,, the Raiders added 2 players and lost 1 player on a 18th ranked scoring offense ,, the Chiefs have the number 2 ranked scoring offense all returning with Priest and a few other surprises --- the Raiders lost 3 starters and added 1 quality player to a 31st ranked points allowed defense --- the Chiefs added CB Patrick Surtain ( Consistent pro bowler and leads all CB's in interceptions in the past 3 years ), S Sammy Knight ( Leads all Safeties in interceptions in the past 5 years ), Kendrell Bell ( A bit of a injury risk but being only 26 and being a former ROY he should do well providing he stays healthy ), DE Carlos Hall ( Mainly added for a pass rushing depth to add more volume onto our DLine which was the only bright spot of our defense last year as we had a 12th ranked rushing defense, ranked 9th in sacks, top ten in negative yardage plays and ranked first in negative running plays including holding RB's like JLewis, EJames, LT, CDillon to under 100 ) ,, What really hurt us last year was losing all but 2 defensive starters on a already below average defense with no depth including going on a 5 week stretch missing Priest, 2 starting LB's, both starting Safeties, a starting CB, a starting DE and a starting DT --- I would love to see how the donkies would deal with that and even with a patchwork defense last year we managed to r*pe stupid Plummer for 4 interceptions and hold your 9th ranked scoring offense to 17 points why Eddie Kennison r*ped Bailey for 2 TD's ---- and if you did not know the pro bowl is more of a popularity contest than it is a true measure of talent ---

 07-11-2005, 02:41 AM         #66
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The underdog Jets gonna surprise some heads.

 07-11-2005, 11:46 AM         #67
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 Slayn said
Moss lol ,,, We acquired half the secondary of the number 2 ranked passing defense --- and with c*cktail Collins going under pressure from our 9th ranked sacking attack that will just be a chain effect ,,, the Raiders added 2 players and lost 1 player on a 18th ranked scoring offense ,, the Chiefs have the number 2 ranked scoring offense all returning with Priest and a few other surprises --- the Raiders lost 3 starters and added 1 quality player to a 31st ranked points allowed defense --- the Chiefs added CB Patrick Surtain ( Consistent pro bowler and leads all CB's in interceptions in the past 3 years ), S Sammy Knight ( Leads all Safeties in interceptions in the past 5 years ), Kendrell Bell ( A bit of a injury risk but being only 26 and being a former ROY he should do well providing he stays healthy ), DE Carlos Hall ( Mainly added for a pass rushing depth to add more volume onto our DLine which was the only bright spot of our defense last year as we had a 12th ranked rushing defense, ranked 9th in sacks, top ten in negative yardage plays and ranked first in negative running plays including holding RB's like JLewis, EJames, LT, CDillon to under 100 ) ,, What really hurt us last year was losing all but 2 defensive starters on a already below average defense with no depth including going on a 5 week stretch missing Priest, 2 starting LB's, both starting Safeties, a starting CB, a starting DE and a starting DT --- I would love to see how the donkies would deal with that and even with a patchwork defense last year we managed to r*pe stupid Plummer for 4 interceptions and hold your 9th ranked scoring offense to 17 points why Eddie Kennison r*ped Bailey for 2 TD's ---- and if you did not know the pro bowl is more of a popularity contest than it is a true measure of talent ---
What about how KC ranked 31st in total defense and Denver ranked 4th in total defense? You guys have a long way to catch up to us. In reality, all the talk is bullsh*t, because there are always teams that look good on paper that end up fu*king up. We'll see what happens when we play in Mile high on Monday night. We own people in Mile high.

 07-11-2005, 12:28 PM         #68
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giants will at least go 9-7

 07-11-2005, 01:09 PM         #69
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 chuckster409 said
Man you need to log off too. I dont want to insult you so im just gon say this. You cant measure Vick by stats, you should know that by now. Vick is measured by his ability to make plays. Oh and by the way, how many times has Vick played the Carolina Panthers in his career, then out of those times, who many times has he beaten them.
Since Vick has been with the Falcons, how many times has he been in the Super Bowl?

Since Vick has been playing against the Panthers, how many times have the Panthers been to the Super Bowl?

Vick is a winner, not a quarterback, that's all I'm saying....so let's not get too MAD, because that's all you are....mad

 07-11-2005, 01:15 PM         #70
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 Maroon_Tiger said
man you need to seriously log OFF

1. Atlanta
2. new orleans(suprise suprise, their wrs are better than any other team in the south, the saints will either be 2nd or 3rd place, they'll def. do better than the bucs..i think drafting a mcpherson will really get to aaron brooks)
3. carolina (w/o muhammad, fake delhome will get exp0sed)
4. tampa bay
I need to log off. I laugh at your posts.

If you think Carolina is gonna finish 3rd in the NFC South, and are serious about it, you need to give up on thinking you know anything about football. I don't give a fu*k if you hate the Panthers or not, that team will not finish 3rd. At the worst, they are gonna finish 2nd and get a wildcard. And that's the absolute WORST that's gonna happen to them.

Jake was nothing but productive when Muhammad wasn't even a factor. Last year Muhsin stepped in for Jakes main go-to guy, STEVE SMITH. All Jake needs is 2 good recievers and he's set. After the first half of the season we'll se who gets "exp0sed".

Keep in mind that Jake Delhomme threw 29 TD's last year. Finished the 2nd half of the season with 21 TD's, 4 INT's. Also keep in mind that without Jake Delhomme, Muhsin Muhammad wouldn't have had the numbers he had last year. It's sad that Jake gets no respect from haters like you when he's already proven he can produce.

 13 years ago '04        #71
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G-Men God damn It and with Plax and Eli i think your gonna see some nasty long balls combos right there...

 07-11-2005, 01:54 PM         #72
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 th@_v1LLa1n said
Since Vick has been with the Falcons, how many times has he been in the Super Bowl?

Since Vick has been playing against the Panthers, how many times have the Panthers been to the Super Bowl?

Vick is a winner, not a quarterback, that's all I'm saying....so let's not get too MAD, because that's all you are....mad
Ok first off why would I be mad? Vick wins. He did in college and he does in the NFL, he has made if to the NFC championship game so far, thats better than alot of fools who dont even make it that far in a 10 year NFL career. Anyways you said that Vick is a winner but not a quarterback? WTF kind of sense is that? Anyways I would rather have a winner on my team than a person who make the stat book look good. The panthers went to the Superbowl one time, wow, did they win? No. Again Vick owns the Panthers publishing. You want to talk about stats, when was last time a Quarterback throw for over 2000 and ran for 900 yards? Nobody.


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 07-11-2005, 02:02 PM         #73
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Mike VIck isn't a quarterback, he's a winner. I will continue to say that, so if it does't make sense to you then I'm sorry.

I don't have a problem with Vick, he does OWN the Panthers, but has it ever really mattered? Vick doesn't have a ring, so in most people on this message boards eyes, he hasn't accomplished anything. He rushes, that's all he does. He is more of a running back than a Quarterback, point blank. That's why he's a winner, not a quarterback.

I respect your opinion, you can believe what you feel is right.

All I did was post stats, and I got jumped on. I didn't make that up. Vick is a bad QB IMO, and the stats show that. As a player he isn't bad....but how many running backs do you know that can produce a QB? That's what Vick is. If he learned how to be more accurate, if he learned to be more patient, and if he learned to be a little less selfish, he could become one of the best QB's to ever play. But he has a strong arm for nothing becuase he doesn't ever pass the ball, He runs whenever he gets the chance (instead of passing it like a QB is supposed to do)...I'm not saying he shouldn't run, but if he cut down on it his numbers would sky rocket.

Like I said, this is my opinion, and based on the stats I have no reason to believe I'm wrong. I respect your opinion, he is a proven winner (b/c without vick, when he was injured, it proved that they couldn't win without him), but he's just a bad QB in my eyes....also in a few of the NFL experts (the guys that get paid to rate players) agree with me.

 07-11-2005, 03:07 PM         #74
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well since my Titans are rebuilding i think they will go 7-9 or 8-8 maybe, it all depends on if Chris Brown can stay healty and if any of these young WRs can develop (mainly Calico) and our Secondary is looking like their gonna have a hard time with having a Rookie (Pacman) and on the other side Woolfolk who has barley played at all b/c he keeps gettin hurt, so pretty much a looooooooooooooong Season

 07-11-2005, 03:18 PM         #75
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another huge Broncos...I love my Broncos...

I think they'll finish 12-4

Clarett for rookie of the year motha fu*kas!

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 07-11-2005, 04:16 PM         #76
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 backMJPIP2333 said
well since my Titans are rebuilding i think they will go 7-9 or 8-8 maybe, it all depends on if Chris Brown can stay healty and if any of these young WRs can develop (mainly Calico) and our Secondary is looking like their gonna have a hard time with having a Rookie (Pacman) and on the other side Woolfolk who has barley played at all b/c he keeps gettin hurt, so pretty much a looooooooooooooong Season
I disagree...I think the Titans are gonna surprise a few people for some reason.

I think they can go 10-6, miss the playoffs though because the AFC is too difficult and they won't beat out the Colts for the top spot in the AFC South, the conference is a lot more tough with Indy dominating and Jacksonville and Houston on the rise.

 07-11-2005, 04:17 PM         #77
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 Maroon_Tiger said
we'll see.... carolina will def. not be #1, and i think n.o. will be suprise this year... aaron brooks needs to step it up like he did in his 1st 2 years... and they got an offense..
Since you're so sure....I want no excuses when the season is over and I'm laughing at you.

 07-11-2005, 04:25 PM         #78
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We had a reason we were getting our a.sses kicked, right?

We almost made the playoffs with scrubs, why won't we make the playoffs with our full team? Because Muhsin Muhammad left? Is that the only reason you can say that?

Since you act like you know everything about sports as a whole, give me a few reasons why the Panthers won't make the playoffs, and give me a few reasons why you try to smash on them so much. Let's see it.

 13 years ago '05        #79
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Proud member of the RAIDER NATION......We aight this year,few changes......RANDY MOSS,We gonna have a good a.ss offense as long as Collins doesn't throw all them Interceptions

 07-11-2005, 04:35 PM         #80
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 Maroon_Tiger said
falcons 0wn you...

and

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^ i see 7-8 loses.. at best

Makes no sense, Log off, don't post in this thread again.

You have no reasons to why the Panthers won't make the playoffs.

 07-11-2005, 04:35 PM         #81
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 tavurboy said
Rams 12-4 , there going to be better with steven jackson running the ball as a starter, hes going to be a monster this season, plus they got a weak division cause they own seattle and the 49ers aren't doing nada. the cardinals will be improved, but not enough. They should be off to a great start facing SF,Ten,NYG and AZ
Nah I got Seattle winning the Division just like they did last year. And sweeping the rams this year and winning atleast one playoff game. So the Seahawks gonna go 10-6 or 11-5. The Seahawks and Cardinals are the most improved teams in the divsions so I think the final standings are going to be this

1.Seahawks
2.Cardinals
3.rams
4.49ers


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 07-11-2005, 04:37 PM         #82
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 Zuhaltern said
Nah I got Seattle winning the Division just like they did last year and sweeping the rams and winning atleast one playoff game. So the Seahawks gonna go 10-6 or 11-5 them and the cardinals are the most improved teams in the divsions so I think the final standings are going to be this

1.Seahawks
2.Cardinals
3.Rams
4.49ers
Looks about right.

 07-11-2005, 04:41 PM         #83
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 th@_v1LLa1n said
I disagree...I think the Titans are gonna surprise a few people for some reason.

I think they can go 10-6, miss the playoffs though because the AFC is too difficult and they won't beat out the Colts for the top spot in the AFC South, the conference is a lot more tough with Indy dominating and Jacksonville and Houston on the rise.
10-6 thats strectching it, when you lose a All-Pro Corner in Rolle who can shut down his side of the field, Dyson who had 6 Int and was top 5 in the L, then you lose McNair's Fav target and dependable D Mason, and replace that with a 5"9 rookie CB and a 2yr guy Wolfolk who cant stay healty you gonna have a hard time going 10-6 when your in the AFC South where u have the Colts and 2 Up and coming teams (which they got swept last yr) and add the Steelers,Baltimore, Seahawks, Raiders (Pacman gonna jump with Moss?), Rams.............i just done see 10-6 nor do i b/c we need a good Draft Pick for next yr


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 07-11-2005, 04:43 PM         #84
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 Maroon_Tiger said
i gave you 7-9...

one you aint winning the division, and the patriots, falcons, packers, jets, vikings, bills, tampa, etc will beat yall...

plus ya boy muhammad, who you continue to forget about, basically carried you to the superbowl[minus the steve smith td a/g the rams] and last season
OMG, you...stop fu*kin talking

Muhammd didn't carry a damn thing to the Super Bowl, what the fu*k are you talking about??!!

I LAUGH AT YOU...LMFAO

Muhsin Muhammad in 2003 was like this (started all 15 games he played in)

Games...Receptions...Yards...Touchdowns...
15 54 837 3

Steve Smith in 2003 was like this (he only started 11 games too)

Games...Receptions...Yards...Touchdowns...
16 88 1110 7


Who carried us to the Super Bowl? It was actually Jake Delhomme & Steve Smith....and that Carolina defense. You're a damn joke.

 07-11-2005, 04:46 PM         #85
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 backMJPIP2333 said
10-6 thats strectching it, when you lose a All-Pro Corner in Rolle who can shut down his side of the field, Dyson who had 6 Int and was top 5 in the L, then you lose McNair's Fav target and dependable D Mason, and replace that with a 5"9 rookie CB and a 2yr guy Wolfolk who cant stay healty you gonna have a hard time going 10-6 when your in the AFC South where u have the Colts and 2 Up and coming teams (which they got swept last yr) and add the Steelers,Baltimore, Seahawks, Raiders (Pacman gonna jump with Moss?), Rams.............i just done see 10-6 nor do i b/c we need a good Draft Pick for next yr
Somethin is tellin me they're gonna do decent...I know they took a huge hit during Free Agency, but I still think they'll be OK, and I think McNair has soemthing to prove.

You may be right though...I won't say you're wrong

 13 years ago '04        #86
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villain..you might as well give up..he's a stubborn Falcons fan..let him think his team is superior to ours and we'll let the teams decide it during the season.

Just be happy that our team has been in the super bowl in the last 3 years and we actually have a quarterback who can throw and some receivers who can catch.

 13 years ago '04        #87
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but i do gotta laugh about the packers and bucaneers beating us. If he really believes that, i'll take whatever he's smoking. haha

 07-11-2005, 04:55 PM         #88
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 uncfan888 said
but i do gotta laugh about the packers and bucaneers beating us. If he really believes that, i'll take whatever he's smoking. haha

I agree...

Our doubters will be shutting the fu*k up soon while I'm sitting at B of A Stadium watchin my boys kick a.ss...


How can you go wrong with our lineups? 2 shut down corners (Lucas and Gamble), the best D-Line in the NFL, Morgan Draft and Witherspoon at LB...wow

Even with Muhammad gone, Steve Smith is back and he's gonna put up over 1200 yards and 10 TD's....Delhomme is gonna go crazy this year, and so is DeShaun Foster...

I actually think he's a Rams fan, which makes me laugh even harder (6 INT's in one game?)

 13 years ago '04        #89
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 Maroon_Tiger said
ok.. steve smith got more than 2/3 more receptions than mushin that year.. if you even those stats, muhammad would have better stats... but it aint about that.. WHO STEPPED UP IN THE SUPERBOWL??? I DONT REMEMBER SMITH CATCHING ALOT OF TD'S.. who beat the eagles?? muhammad was steppin up huge.

muhammad last year got 9 more receptions than steve smiths 2003 campaign and had waaaay better stats

16 16 93 1405 15.1 16tds

hold that... and he didnt have much help either
um..who beat the eagles? I think it could have been foster's unbelievable rushing TD or the 3 interceptions by Ricky Manning Jr. That was a low scoring game and the wide receivers for either team didn't contribute too much..u should've just stuck with the super bowl and forgot about the eagles game

 13 years ago '04        #90
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but maroon is right...muhammad didn't have much help last year..that's why he had more receptions than the year that smith and him were sharing the load. delhomme isn't going to stop throwin it deep just because muhammad is gone. smith is explosive and a playmaker. Colbert should step up big this year too. U can't compare the stats between the last 2 years because the circumstances were COMPLETELY different

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