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New Report: Jordan's 1988 DPOY is based on FAKE STATS


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 3 weeks ago '14        #1
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215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33
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@ 04:22 PM 06-20-2024 icon New Report: Jordan's 1988 DPOY is based on FAKE STATS
 

 

This article is brilliantly written, I'll post some quotes

"Breaking out his numbers into game location, we find that Jordan averaged a mind-boggling 4 steals and 2.1 blocks at home. But on the road, those numbers shrunk to a more normal rate of 2.1 steals and 1.2 blocks."

"Put simply, Jordan’s steals and blocks nearly doubled at home compared to the road. To account for possible uneven playing time effects, we can look at per-36-minute numbers for a truer portrayal of the phenomenon. Jordan’s combined block and steals numbers (“stocks”) were a whopping 82 percent higher at home (5.5 stocks per 36 minutes) than on the road (3.0)."

"Dating back to 1982-83 when the award was established, Jordan’s home-vs.-away disparity in combined blocks and steals represents the largest of any Defensive Player of the Year award winner in NBA history."

"No other instance in the award’s history has a player shown a disparity that touched 160 percent — except for Jordan’s 1987-88 season, which clocked in at 182 percent."

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 3 weeks ago '14        #2
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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"Jordan’s home/road disparities stood out even among his peers that season. According to Stathead.com, Jordan posted 165 steals at home (by far the most in the NBA) compared to just 94 on the road (tied for fourth). That gap of 71 steals blew away the competition, with the next largest gap among the top 15 league leaders in steals being 47.

Crucially, the additional home steals were instrumental in Jordan achieving the title as the league leader in steals. Jordan finished with the most steals at 259, speeding past Alvin Robertson’s total of 243.

If we were to believe the official box score, Jordan was god-like at home and a mere mortal on the road. When looking at just road games, arguably a control group of impartial scorekeepers for every player, Jordan’s steal count placed not first, not second but tied for fourth with Denver’s Michael Adams."


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 3 weeks ago '15        #3
6Fraud  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x61
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Could all be true but you can stop comparing lebron to this man
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Last edited by 6Fraud; 06-20-2024 at 08:50 PM..
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 3 weeks ago '14        #4
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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"Though Jordan didn’t lead the league in blocks, a similar trend emerges in that key defensive category. Jordan’s 84 blocks at home ranked eighth most in the league, a highly unusual place to find a guard. On the road, his total of 47 blocks fell all the way down to 21st (tied), a more reasonable rung on the ladder for someone his size."

"A look at Jordan’s game log is telling. Of Jordan’s 10 games with at least four blocks that season, nine of them came at Chicago Stadium."

"It’s important to note that after winning the Defensive Player of the Year award, Jordan’s home rates returned to normal and within the same range of his peers. Jordan would never even approach the 1987-88 home stats for the rest of his career, an outlier of outliers."

"An NBA spokesperson said the league had not verified Jordan's stats in the 1987-88 season and did not plan to do so."

"If we assume that Jordan’s road stats were the more accurate measure and used those rates for his home games in 1987-88, it would mean that approximately 30 percent of Jordan’s steals and blocks would disappear from the record."
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 3 weeks ago '05        #5
micseles 
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Have to lead a miserable life to spend even a second trying to tear down the legacy of somebody who hasn't played in 30 years.

You just as miserable if you do the same to people playing current day.

n1ggas never been the best anything in their lives and want to bring people down who actually had the balls to push themselves to become something great. This world is sick man
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 3 weeks ago '14        #6
Cuttysark 
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Man get this sh1t outta here
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 3 weeks ago '14        #7
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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"The six full games we found tapes for from Jordan’s Defensive Player of the Year campaign:

Atlanta at Chicago: Nov. 20, 1987
Indiana at Chicago: Jan. 5, 1988
Denver at Chicago: Jan. 7, 1988
Detroit at Chicago: Jan. 16, 1988
Atlanta at Chicago: Feb. 15, 1988
Boston at Chicago: Mar. 18, 1988

In the six games, the box scores indicated that Jordan’s total steal count was 28. After comparing our notes from the film study, we each counted 12 steals. An astounding difference of 16 excess steals. Almost every excess steal was being allocated to Jordan.

"In the block category, it seemed that Jordan also benefited from some exceptional statkeeping. For instance, whenever Chicago Bulls forward Horace Grant blocked a shot but was whistled for the foul, he was, correctly, not credited with a block. But when Jordan did the same, his box score line tended to show excess blocks."
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 3 weeks ago '06        #8
Kundalini  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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If this somehow births a Netflix documentary...

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 3 weeks ago '22        #9
SeanDon122  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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I believe all stats are inflated to a degree. Especially when it's being tracked by humans. If you feel the inflation of stats don't match the eye test then I can understand the complaints. I'm not on that side of the fence personally. But I'm also one who doesn't go up in arms and chooses a side on the 100 pt Wilt game so....

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 3 weeks ago '14        #10
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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 micseles said
Have to lead a miserable life to spend even a second trying to tear down the legacy of somebody who hasn't played in 30 years.
Why are you upset at great journalism thats detailing history accurately?

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 3 weeks ago '16        #11
MHP Trotty  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x15
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Said it yesterday.

After the offseason moves die down and Team USA wins Gold, the conversation shifts to LeBron vs MJ. Does a 3rd Gold medal and “inflated” stats from 36 years ago impact the debate now? sh1t is sad.
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 3 weeks ago '05        #12
micseles 
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 215Philly said
Why are you upset at great journalism thats detailing history accurately?
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Not upset at all.... life is good. The sh1t is sad and hilarious to me at the same time. It's only great journalism when it goes along with a narrative you support.
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 3 weeks ago '11        #13
Sinamatik CFR  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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stat keepers are not usually honest or too accurate...

go cry a river... the games, the game!!!! This can be done for every player in the league, way to fu#kin go!!!!

hooray fu#kin beer!!!!


Cool Story Bro!
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 3 weeks ago '14        #14
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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 micseles said
It's only great journalism when it goes along with a narrative you support.
Yall gotta stop calling facts a "narrative"

Can you explain how Jordan had more steals than the other team had turnovers?
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 3 weeks ago '13        #15
johndoee1 
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 micseles said
Not upset at all.... life is good. The sh1t is sad and hilarious to me at the same time. It's only great journalism when it goes along with a narrative you support.
But what if it’s factual?

 3 weeks ago '14        #16
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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 Kundalini said
If this somehow births a Netflix documentary...

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The NBA was inflating stats to boost Stardom. Jordan defensive stats was fugazi. Stockton assist stats was fugazi.

"In our interview for "Pablo Torre Finds Out," Rucker explained that, in his view, inflating certain box-score statistics for the home team was a common league-wide practice."

"When Rucker landed the Vancouver job in 1995, he says he traveled to Detroit for a training session attended by other NBA professional scorekeepers who had held their positions for a number of years. Rucker, however, was just 19 years old while working for the expansion Vancouver franchise, the new kid on the block. He was eager to prove he could score a game as accurately as anyone in the room.

But then they reviewed a video clip of John Stockton getting an assist on a Karl Malone bucket, and things got weird. ”There was no causal connection between the pass and the basket,” Rucker told me on PTFO. “And the majority opinion by a mile was, ‘Oh no, that’s definitely an assist.’”

According to Rucker, the scorekeepers told him in no uncertain terms that it was an assist because it was John Stockton. Rucker soon realized what was expected. In Rucker’s view, it was inferred that part of the scorekeeper’s job was to give hometown stars the star treatment."

"To Rucker, it was an unspoken part of the NBA’s marketing machine, a way to get on “SportsCenter” in front of a national audience and grab attention."
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 3 weeks ago '05        #17
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OPs A ph@ggot And Started Watching Sports In 2018
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 3 weeks ago '14        #18
Cuttysark 
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 215Philly said
Yall gotta stop calling facts a "narrative"

Can you explain how Jordan had more steals than the other team had turnovers?
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Literally watched this man destroy the NBA. His GOAT status is cemented and will go unchallenged forever. No narratives will change that
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 3 weeks ago '14        #19
Cuttysark 
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where the fu#k you at weirdo? This is your time to shine
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 3 weeks ago '14        #20
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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 Cuttysark said
Literally watched this man destroy the NBA. His GOAT status is cemented and will go unchallenged forever. No narratives will change that
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Thats fine, but can you explain how he had more steals than the other team had turnovers?
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 3 weeks ago '22        #21
SeanDon122  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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 Sinamatik CFR said
stat keepers are not usually honest or too accurate...

go cry a river... the games, the game!!!! This can be done for every player in the league, way to fu#kin go!!!!

hooray fu#kin beer!!!!


Cool Story Bro!
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Yeah. Lost in the article is the fact that this has been going on since the 50's/60's and every star had their numbers inflated by home Stat guys compared to on the road. But I think they probably hoped by focusing in on MJ, people would read and catch that in the article
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 3 weeks ago '05        #22
micseles 
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 johndoee1 said
But what if it’s factual?
Because if it's factual.. it doesn't stop there. You gotta give the same effort to "exposing" the truth about EVERYTHING and not just stop where you want it to end if you know what I mean.
The sh1t is petty in the end and pointless.
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 3 weeks ago '22        #23
The Peacemaker 
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I could've sworn i just slapped this thread an hour ago. Well if i forgot to slap the op the first time ill make sure I don't make the same mistake twice
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 3 weeks ago '05        #24
micseles 
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 215Philly said
Yall gotta stop calling facts a "narrative"

Can you explain how Jordan had more steals than the other team had turnovers?
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Facts can be used to build a narrative... you're acting dumb for the sake of your post
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 3 weeks ago '14        #25
215Philly  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x33 OP
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 SeanDon122 said
Yeah. Lost in the article is the fact that this has been going on since the 50's/60's and every star had their numbers inflated by home Stat guys compared to on the road. But I think they probably hoped by focusing in on MJ, people would read and catch that in the article
The article points some of it out. Everybody know Bill and Wilt stats was inflated.
I think when exposing something, you always point out the person who benefitted the most from it. Shareef Abdur-Rahim had fraudulent steals/blocks but he didn't receive major awards from it and he isn't held in high regard due to those fluke stats and awards. Yes, Nick Van Exel’s famous 23-assist game in 1997 was also a fluke. He really had 15 assist but they gave him 23. Shaqs 15 block game, was actually 10 blocks.

But Jordan DPOY is the biggest fluke of them all.
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