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@ 06:46 PM 06-15-2024 [emoji] Why Fredo Betrayed Michael In The Godfather Part II
 

 
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"Fredo’s death is the greatest tragedy in The Godfather Part II, and many viewers are left understandably wondering why the seemingly sweet supporting character betrayed his brother. Although Michael Corleone ends up replacing The Godfather’s Vito Corleone as the mafia family’s godfather before The Godfather Part II, Vito wasn’t short of potential candidates. Vito’s Consigliere, Tom Hagen, could never have taken on the role as he wasn’t a blood relative of the godfather, but Michael’s older brother Fredo seemingly had a claim to the job. The Godfather’s ending sees Vito pass over Fredo in favor of Michael.

This choice comes back to haunt the family in The Godfather Part II when Fredo takes Michael’s new role as a personal slight. Throughout the sequel, tensions are high between the incompetent, insecure Fredo and his cold, remorseless younger brother. Eventually, Fredo betrays Michael, although the sequel takes care never to specify exactly what information he provides the family’s enemies. This results in Hyman Roth’s rival mob making an attempt on Michael’s life, which he narrowly escapes. Fredo’s betrayal costs him his life, but The Godfather movies never fully explain what compelled him to make this tragic, lethal mistake.

Fredo Wanted To Prove Himself After Years Of Being Overlooked
Michael’s Success Led To Fredo’s Insecure Jealousy

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Fredo’s decision to betray Michael is rooted in his feelings of inadequacy compared to his brother, his father, and his powerful family more broadly. Although Fredo’s incompetence is instrumental in his downfall, it is his desire to succeed outside the mafia that dooms him. When Hyman Roth’s associate Johnny Ola informs Fredo that Michael is causing trouble in their tense business relationship, Fredo believes that he is a slick operator who can run interference between the two parties. Fredo sees himself as independent of Michael and Roth’s mob, allowing him to manipulate both parties for his own ends.

The problem is that Fredo lacks Michael’s killer instinct, hence why he ends up dead in The Godfather Part II’s ending. Ironically, The Godfather Part II's flashbacks prove that Fredo was the only member of the family who supported Michael’s decision to join the Marines, where he developed the cold-blooded pragmatism that makes him an efficient, lethal mob boss later in life. Fredo was unstable and insecure enough to betray Michael, but seemingly didn’t provide Ola and Roth with enough information to successfully get his brother killed. In this regard, he ended up getting the worst of both worlds.

Fredo Was Manipulated By Hyman Roth & The Godfather 2's Villains
Fredo Believed Hyman Roth’s Manipulation

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It is unclear exactly what deal Fredo was offered, but it is evident that Ola implied Fredo, by working with Hyman Roth, would be fixing an arrangement that Michael had scuppered.
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When he collaborated with Hyman Roth, Fredo believed that he was striking out alone and proving himself. Instead, he was just being manipulated by a more powerful and experienced gangster. While The Godfather Part II’s younger Vito operates with brazen rancor as he takes on the local mob and takes over their turf, Fredo equivocates and attempts to side with both his brother and Michael's enemies. It is unclear exactly what deal Fredo was offered, but it is evident that Ola implied Fredo, by working with Hyman Roth, would be fixing an arrangement that Michael had scuppered.

Since the older brother was the face of the family’s failures and a frequent figure of fun, the prospect of getting one up on Michael was too much for Fredo to resist. Fredo embarrassed himself early in the sequel by publicly fighting his wife at a family event, and his character arc was largely driven by shame throughout the rest of the story. While the divisive The Godfather Part III proved that Michael cared more about Fredo’s death than he was willing to admit, his steely resolve in the sequel’s ending makes the contrast between the two clear.

Fredo Didn't Know About The Plot To Assassinate Michael Corleone
Michael’s Brother Wasn’t Necessarily Aware Of The Real Plan

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It is possible that Fredo genuinely had no idea about the rival mob’s true intentions.


Fredo claims that he didn’t know that Ola and Hyman Roth were working on a plot to kill Michael, but it is tough to tell whether he is lying. He claims that he thought he was helping the family and had no idea they'd try to take down Michael at his family home, which implies that Roth and Johnny Ola told Fredo that he would be doing Michael a favor by smoothing out the negotiations between them. However, it is impossible to know whether Fredo gave Michael’s enemies information without knowing their true plans due to the scene’s context.

By the time Fredo says he had no idea Roth and Ola planned an assassination attempt, Michael has already survived the attempt and discovered Fredo's collaboration with the pair. From Sonny's gruesome death to the horse's head left in Woltz’s bed, Fredo knows that both the family and their enemies are capable of some truly heinous acts of violence. That said, Fredo seems genuinely innocent in comparison to Michael and Tom Hagen and his relative cluelessness is apparent in earlier scenes. As such, it's feasible that Fredo genuinely had no idea about the rival mob’s true intentions.

Fredo Really Did Love Michael In The Godfather 2
Fredo’s Love For Michael Makes The Godfather Part II’s Story Tragic

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Michael never forgives himself for the order, even though Fredo arguably brought it upon himself by betraying his brother.
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Regardless of how much Fredo was deluding himself or authentically naive when it came to Hyman Roth’s plot, it is necessary to note that he genuinely loved Michael. This is central to the true tragedy of The Godfather trilogy as, in killing his brother, Michael effectively gives his own soul the kiss of death, too. Michael couldn’t forgive his brother’s betrayal since this would have been viewed as a sign of weakness in the cutthroat world of the mafia, and it would have been open season on the godfather from thereon out. However, killing his brother killed Michael’s own conscience.

For all The Godfather Part III’s faults, the final chapter of the trilogy does a good job of illustrating the fallout of Fredo’s death. Michael never forgives himself for the order, even though Fredo arguably brought it upon himself by betraying his brother. The question of whether an ostensibly stronger, smarter character like Michael is his brother's keeper is left ambiguous as The Godfather trilogy comes to a close, with Michael’s heartbreak over his greatest sin casting a shadow over his entire legacy as a mob boss. Thus, The Godfather Part II’s Fredo death is the trilogy’s defining tragedy."

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 1 month ago '22        #2
The Peacemaker 
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Wasnt really feeling the Godfather movies
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The Gotti HBO movie and Witness to the Mob are goat mafia movies






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 1 month ago '18        #3
Eclectic  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x272 OP
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Michael talking to Tom about Fredo.

"But he's weak and he's stupid, and this is life and death."



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 1 month ago '17        #4
PackerTrelli3  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x34
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It was sad watchin' dude in Vlad interviews
Really it's 'bout me, he channeled it through you
Had a million answers, didn't have a clue
Why Michael kissed Fredo in Godfather II
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 1 month ago '17        #5
Berr 
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Micheal warned fredo several times not to go against the family . The info he provided was time and whereabouts of the party. He dropping the location. Nah fredo gets little sympathy
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 1 month ago '24        #6
Ras Freeman  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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 PackerTrelli3 said
It was sad watchin' dude in Vlad interviews
Really it's 'bout me, he channeled it through you
Had a million answers, didn't have a clue
Why Michael kissed Fredo in Godfather II
Who Vlad interview?

 1 month ago '20        #7
Sail 
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 Ras Freeman said
Who Vlad interview?




Last edited by Sail; 06-15-2024 at 08:14 PM..
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 1 month ago '17        #8
PackerTrelli3  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x34
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 Ras Freeman said
Who Vlad interview?





It’s a pusha T lyric
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 1 month ago '18        #9
Eclectic  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x272 OP
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Fredo was warned not to go against the family.


"Fredo, you're my older brother, and I love you, but don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again, ever."


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 1 month ago '05        #10
Micheal C. Will  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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I know alot people don't like the third film, but I did like how it highlighted how killing Fredo and amongst other things was eating at him from the inside.
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 1 month ago '18        #11
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 Micheal C. Will said
I know alot people don't like the third film, but I did like how it highlighted how killing Fredo and amongst other things was eaten at him from the inside.
And how it affected his relationship with his son Anthony.
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 1 month ago '05        #12
Micheal C. Will  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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 Eclectic said
And how it affected his relationship with his son Anthony.
Yep, it gave a great example of the biblical reference "sins of the father".
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 1 month ago '22        #13
Candidnigga 
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You broke my heart Fredo, you broke my heart
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 1 month ago '16        #14
potorico1  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Fredo had pneumonia or something when he was a baby. He was the ONLY brother Coppala showed as a baby. That sickness was a plot point. I belive it stunted his mental/physical growth.

Also, Fredo dropped his gun in a panic when Vito got shot on the street, and broke down crying.

Michael stopped his car when he was escaping Cuba......and TRIED to give Fredo another chance......Fredo saw him, but ran away. THAT is what made Michael not trust him anymore
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 1 month ago '17        #15
Poncho520 
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As a kid growing up in nyc in the 90s I would watch these movies over and over and write down the lessons and jewels. Michael saw Santino compassion for his sister cost his family leverage in the streets and his older brother his life. Mike did an excellent job of not letting his left hand know what his right hand was doing. He removed fredo by sending him to Vegas. He marginalized the Irish brother to keep him pure of the internal conflict confusion. So when he had to measure who was the mole it had to be one of the under bosses and predicted it was the smarter and more ambitious one. He already heard the embarrassment fredo was having getting bi#ched by Moe green in Vegas so he decided to use that bad behavior as motivation to push the old guys out of Vegas. So when Mike pulled his coupe he cleared the baoard of enemies on the east and west coast. He even had foresight to bring in Al neri as his Luca brazi hitman to keep him free of any cross contamination. He used fredo in Cuba to bait Hyman to see if he would seduce him and turn him. He just underestimated Roth would go balls to the wall with the compound hit and the failed hit on capo in the bar. But Mike got wise when he was in Italy and maintained independent connections there that paid off by bringing the guys brother to trial and also brought the back home shadow hit man with him to Cuba. But again he slept on the coup of Cuba throwing his whole rub out in disarray. This was the reason why Tom hagin was a good consigliari. He would have warned Mike to keep his eyes on the international picture. Mike knew Hyman was possibly behind the recent violence and he wanted to use fullness to put the whole deal under pressure and see if they slipped up. Sadly it was his brother who blinked.


A lot of the concepts and military ideas used here are in the Art of war and Machiavelli’s the prince. Robert greens 48 laws of power is comparative but the first two are excellent parallels to the god father trilogy.





I’m honest these movies and books helped me to understand the killers and gangsters here in nyc and how to pull these guys out their comfort zones and put the pressure back on the bad guys. The main goal is to use audacity and the element of surprise. Tough guys never expect you to flip the pressure back on them and make them afraid.

Mike didn’t have to kill his brother but he understood that to terrify the other gangsters he had to do something none of them ever would.






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 1 month ago '19        #16
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 potorico1 said
Fredo had pneumonia or something when he was a baby. He was the ONLY brother Coppala showed as a baby. That sickness was a plot point. I belive it stunted his mental/physical growth.

Also, Fredo dropped his gun in a panic when Vito got shot on the street, and broke down crying.

Michael stopped his car when he was escaping Cuba......and TRIED to give Fredo another chance......Fredo saw him, but ran away. THAT is what made Michael not trust him anymore
Had Fredo got in that car , it would’ve been bad for him. You could see it in Michael’s eyes

 1 month ago '19        #17
drnarcisse  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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 Poncho520 said
As a kid growing up in nyc in the 90s I would watch these movies over and over and write down the lessons and jewels. Michael saw Santino compassion for his sister cost his family leverage in the streets and his older brother his life. Mike did an excellent job of not letting his left hand know what his right hand was doing. He removed fredo by sending him to Vegas. He marginalized the Irish brother to keep him pure of the internal conflict confusion. So when he had to measure who was the mole it had to be one of the under bosses and predicted it was the smarter and more ambitious one. He already heard the embarrassment fredo was having getting bi#ched by Moe green in Vegas so he decided to use that bad behavior as motivation to push the old guys out of Vegas. So when Mike pulled his coupe he cleared the baoard of enemies on the east and west coast. He even had foresight to bring in Al neri as his Luca brazi hitman to keep him free of any cross contamination. He used fredo in Cuba to bait Hyman to see if he would seduce him and turn him. He just underestimated Roth would go balls to the wall with the compound hit and the failed hit on capo in the bar. But Mike got wise when he was in Italy and maintained independent connections there that paid off by bringing the guys brother to trial and also brought the back home shadow hit man with him to Cuba. But again he slept on the coup of Cuba throwing his whole rub out in disarray. This was the reason why Tom hagin was a good consigliari. He would have warned Mike to keep his eyes on the international picture. Mike knew Hyman was possibly behind the recent violence and he wanted to use fullness to put the whole deal under pressure and see if they slipped up. Sadly it was his brother who blinked.


A lot of the concepts and military ideas used here are in the Art of war and Machiavelli’s the prince. Robert greens 48 laws of power is comparative but the first two are excellent parallels to the god father trilogy.

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I’m honest these movies and books helped me to understand the killers and gangsters here in nyc and how to pull these guys out their comfort zones and put the pressure back on the bad guys. The main goal is to use audacity and the element of surprise. Tough guys never expect you to flip the pressure back on them and make them afraid.

Mike didn’t have to kill his brother but he understood that to terrify the other gangsters he had to do something none of them ever would.






Salute.
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 1 month ago '18        #18
A Cold Game  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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I thought it was pretty clear he didn’t know they were going to try and kill Michael …

I think the deep dive into this aspect of the film is unnecessary and kinda takes away from it …

Everything about it was simple… which makes it all the more heart breaking … fredo wanted to feel adequate and respected but proved he wasn’t and couldn’t be … Michael had to kill him because those are the rules.
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 1 month ago '16        #19
smokeytheblunt2 
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fredo was jealous and incompetent……….
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 1 month ago '17        #20
Berr 
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 A Cold Game said
I thought it was pretty clear he didn’t know they were going to try and kill Michael …

I think the deep dive into this aspect of the film is unnecessary and kinda takes away from it …

Everything about it was simple… which makes it all the more heart breaking … fredo wanted to feel adequate and respected but proved he wasn’t and couldn’t be … Michael had to kill him because those are the rules.
Micheal had to cause fredo was going to keep doing it until he came up.even at the cost of Micheal and his family. Fredo was lying to Micheal way too often. Fredo last chance was in Cuba. He should have gotten in the car. Micheal thinking is if you fear me that much that make that much more of "problem"that has to be dealt with.
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 1 month ago '04        #21
infam0uskills 
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was jealous and easily manipulated
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 1 month ago '24        #22
Mixbag 
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 Poncho520 said
As a kid growing up in nyc in the 90s I would watch these movies over and over and write down the lessons and jewels. Michael saw Santino compassion for his sister cost his family leverage in the streets and his older brother his life. Mike did an excellent job of not letting his left hand know what his right hand was doing. He removed fredo by sending him to Vegas. He marginalized the Irish brother to keep him pure of the internal conflict confusion. So when he had to measure who was the mole it had to be one of the under bosses and predicted it was the smarter and more ambitious one. He already heard the embarrassment fredo was having getting bi#ched by Moe green in Vegas so he decided to use that bad behavior as motivation to push the old guys out of Vegas. So when Mike pulled his coupe he cleared the baoard of enemies on the east and west coast. He even had foresight to bring in Al neri as his Luca brazi hitman to keep him free of any cross contamination. He used fredo in Cuba to bait Hyman to see if he would seduce him and turn him. He just underestimated Roth would go balls to the wall with the compound hit and the failed hit on capo in the bar. But Mike got wise when he was in Italy and maintained independent connections there that paid off by bringing the guys brother to trial and also brought the back home shadow hit man with him to Cuba. But again he slept on the coup of Cuba throwing his whole rub out in disarray. This was the reason why Tom hagin was a good consigliari. He would have warned Mike to keep his eyes on the international picture. Mike knew Hyman was possibly behind the recent violence and he wanted to use fullness to put the whole deal under pressure and see if they slipped up. Sadly it was his brother who blinked.


A lot of the concepts and military ideas used here are in the Art of war and Machiavelli’s the prince. Robert greens 48 laws of power is comparative but the first two are excellent parallels to the god father trilogy.

emoji


I’m honest these movies and books helped me to understand the killers and gangsters here in nyc and how to pull these guys out their comfort zones and put the pressure back on the bad guys. The main goal is to use audacity and the element of surprise. Tough guys never expect you to flip the pressure back on them and make them afraid.

Mike didn’t have to kill his brother but he understood that to terrify the other gangsters he had to do something none of them ever would.






Great post
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 1 month ago '18        #23
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 Berr said
Micheal had to cause fredo was going to keep doing it until he came up.even at the cost of Micheal and his family. Fredo was lying to Micheal way too often. Fredo last chance was in Cuba. He should have gotten in the car. Micheal thinking is if you fear me that much that make that much more of "problem"that has to be dealt with.
I definitely feel you …

Fredo was definitely going to fu#k everything if he stayed around …

But Michael could have easily sent him away to never be heard from again …
However … that would have reflected poorly on him as the leader of the family and opened the door to having him removed.
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 1 month ago '17        #24
Berr 
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 A Cold Game said
I definitely feel you …

Fredo was definitely going to fu#k everything if he stayed around …

But Michael could have easily sent him away to never be heard from again …
However … that would have reflected poorly on him as the leader of the family and opened the door to having him removed.
Yeah I feel you cause Micheal waited until moms died before he did anything . If fredo would have got in car in Cuba and sat his a$s down it might've been different
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 1 month ago '15        #25
richmoneycash  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 infam0uskills said
was jealous and easily manipulated
Pretty much and he also wanted to be accepted. Loose lips sink ships.
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