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 2 weeks ago '15        #1
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TheCompanyMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8
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I'm not bothered by reference tracks. Here's why:

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 2 weeks ago '21        #2
Tlatoani  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Who's writing for Freddie Gibbs?

No way he had a team of writers for Piata.
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 2 weeks ago '22        #3
BreakkerSzn  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x111
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 2 weeks ago '17        #4
BrownPaperBag 
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I understand what is he saying but i dont understand what he's saying. I know Sia was writing for a lot of artists, Rihanna included. Some good writers are just happy to stay behind the scenes since they dont have the presence or the charisma to be popolar. But thats pop, R Kelly wrote for mf Michael Jackson. I feel like in hip hop is different tho. Probably a lot of artist do get help with songs here and there, like when ure shooting a movie and the director tells DiCaprio " maybe u should do this or that". But in hip hop its different. If a mf do that whole song and you only have to recite that sh1t word for word why the fu#k ure an MC or a rapper for?!
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 2 weeks ago '14        #5
Cuttysark 
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Seems new to hip hop tho. Pac Jay and Nas recording process work like this too?
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 2 weeks ago '14        #6
Cuttysark 
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 Tlatoani said 🔗
Who's writing for Freddie Gibbs?

No way he had a team of writers for Piata.
He did not. He spit that sh1t and it got recorded
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 2 weeks ago '15        #7
TheCompanyMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8 OP
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 Cuttysark said 🔗
Seems new to hip hop tho. Pac Jay and Nas recording process work like this too?
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Can't call Pac. But definitely Nas and Jay. There are videos of Jay in the studio with Ye and taking his hooks and bridges. Jay Elec helped nas on untitled.

If you're competing for awards, in your best interest to collaborate. I don't think jay, Nas, or whoever took whole verses though.
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 2 weeks ago '06        #8
Big Bear 
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Who cares?
So what?

Is the music banging…yeah or nah?
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 2 weeks ago '15        #9
TheCompanyMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8 OP
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 Tlatoani said 🔗
Who's writing for Freddie Gibbs?

No way he had a team of writers for Piata.
Pinata peaked at #39 and wasn't nominated for any awards. He's a super MC. There's no way I can see him getting verses from anyone else.
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 2 weeks ago '21        #10
Tlatoani  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 TheCompanyMan said 🔗
Pinata peaked at #39 and wasn't nominated for any awards. He's a super MC. There's no way I can see him getting verses from anyone else.
It was a crime.

There wasn't any credible hip hop blog at the time that didn't highly rate it and many gave it Album of the Year.
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 2 weeks ago '15        #11
TheCompanyMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8 OP
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 Tlatoani said 🔗
It was a crime.

There wasn't any credible hip hop blog at the time that didn't highly rate it and many gave it Album of the Year.
Oh its a phenomenal album. But charts and awards is a different thing. I value hip hop's opinion over pop culture.
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 2 weeks ago '16        #12
lars  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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Rappers do collab and might give each other lines. The majority of the song should come from the rapper that penned it. It is fine to be inspired by a rapper and use a bar or two. Drake situation is different those reference tracks is identical. He definitely has a team that always keeps him up to date on popular flow and rhyme schemes.

Sure Jay-Z, Camron and others used lines but there flow and rhyme technique was always their own and remained part of their rap identity.
Drake switched up his flow many times to ride a wave that when you hear early Drake (replacement girl ft trey songz) it is very different.

Drake couldn't even do a freestyle with FMF on hot 97, pulled out his phone to spit some bars. Drake is successful and can rap but he really just gravitates to what's in and forsaken his own unique rap identity.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #13
Nosbig 
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 Cuttysark said 🔗
Seems new to hip hop tho. Pac Jay and Nas recording process work like this too?
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I know the news about diddy rn isn't the greatest, but he straight did that sh1t on MTV. Locking producers in recording houses, trapping rappers to keep making verses and sh1t.

But that sh1t was late 90s early 00s no?
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 2 weeks ago '16        #14
96jordan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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People are being lightly logically true to make the Drake thing seem normal

Yeah n1ggas get hooks and a couple lines

Not the WHOLE fu#kING SONG
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 2 weeks ago '09        #15
slayer2020 
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 2 weeks ago '09        #16
slayer2020 
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 96jordan said 🔗
People are being lightly logically true to make the Drake thing seem normal

Yeah n1ggas get hooks and a couple lines

Not the WHOLE fu#kING SONG
Try their whole career. Drakes whole career, beginning with the ghost written cellphone freestyle, is a sham.
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 2 weeks ago '21        #17
Fatt Kidd 
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 BrownPaperBag said 🔗
I understand what is he saying but i dont understand what he's saying. I know Sia was writing for a lot of artists, Rihanna included. Some good writers are just happy to stay behind the scenes since they dont have the presence or the charisma to be popolar. But thats pop, R Kelly wrote for mf Michael Jackson. I feel like in hip hop is different tho. Probably a lot of artist do get help with songs here and there, like when ure shooting a movie and the director tells DiCaprio " maybe u should do this or that". But in hip hop its different. If a mf do that whole song and you only have to recite that sh1t word for word why the fu#k ure an MC or a rapper for?!
2 things.

1. Weve never really seen a rapper rap a reference track word for word.

2. Hip Hop is currently Pop. It shouldnt be but it is not that same NYC culture that you had to go to the streets to get.
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 2 weeks ago '04        #18
mprnc2000 
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 TheCompanyMan said 🔗
Can't call Pac. But definitely Nas and Jay. There are videos of Jay in the studio with Ye and taking his hooks and bridges. Jay Elec helped nas on untitled.

If you're competing for awards, in your best interest to collaborate. I don't think jay, Nas, or whoever took whole verses though.
Pac took Ray Luv's verse for trap. Its also believed Treach wrote Pacs verse on If I Die Tonight
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 2 weeks ago '04        #19
Q80 
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Guessing most of you ain’t in the music industry.

When you start shopping beats, plenty artists will ask you what should go on the beat (they basically want you to provide a finished song that they perform because their brand is marketable as opposed to having struggle bars from an unknown on the record). It shocked me first time an artist I respect basically said “I can’t do nothing with this, I need a song”
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 2 weeks ago '07        #20
yola  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x91
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he didn't explain how a reference track works tho

he just explained why they're made and that second guy was unlistenable, talkin bout it's ok to have writing teams because you're speaking for the culture, he literally said it's ok to be fake to help the culture

the fact that the first guy is an A&R and he's talking like that shows you how fu#ked the future of music is, if they gunna justify writing farms, they'll justify AI writing farms

both are good examples of how ya'll getting gassed up on misinformation

major labels are funny because they constantly look for talent, then they do everything they can to suppress that talent, so they can leverage and manipulate artists into a mold and an agenda of greed, ignorance and selfishness

but what they're really looking for is someone who influences people and can be influenced

getting help writing or jacking a line from another song has nothing to do with reference tracks

a reference track is when someone writes a song and records it so someone else knows how it's supposed to go

some people can just hear the music, see the words, figure out the pattern and make it their own

some people can't and that's what reference tracks are for

there's nothing wrong with performing a song written by someone else, just check your ego and have some humility

don't pop GOAT sh1t when you got a team of writers
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even the dudes from Milli Vanilli started believing it was them on the song
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 2 weeks ago '21        #21
Fatt Kidd 
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 lars said 🔗
Rappers do collab and might give each other lines. The majority of the song should come from the rapper that penned it. It is fine to be inspired by a rapper and use a bar or two. Drake situation is different those reference tracks is identical. He definitely has a team that always keeps him up to date on popular flow and rhyme schemes.

Sure Jay-Z, Camron and others used lines but there flow and rhyme technique was always their own and remained part of their rap identity.
Drake switched up his flow many times to ride a wave that when you hear early Drake (replacement girl ft trey songz) it is very different.

Drake couldn't even do a freestyle with FMF on hot 97, pulled out his phone to spit some bars. Drake is successful and can rap but he really just gravitates to what's in and forsaken his own unique rap identity.
Drake is a hit maker. His talent is adding onto an idea. Hes just like Ye. Hes so good at writing that people think hes spitting the verse from the reference tracks. Its about to be 10 years and the only verse we know that he didnt write is Who Do You Love.
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 2 weeks ago '13        #22
Route03X 
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Vid was mad long for this sh1t.

talkin about "it takes a village to compete"yeah and this guy's either apart or trying to be apart of Drake's
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tryin to be slick using legal jargon sayin your favorite artists use them,artists covers the whole industry and everybody knows singers use writers galore(including from some rappers),I wanna hear "your favorite rappers use them"
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folks going all the way around the bridge trying to jusitfy this sh1t instead of just asking this one fu#king question(that we all know the answer to)...WHY AREN'T THEY CREDITING RAP SONG WRITERS LIKE THE OTHER GENRES.

If a song get's credit it ain't a big deal(how often do you actually hear folks sh1t on E or Dre for gettin their lines penned by Cube and Ren???),it becomes a problem when it's ghost written because you trying to be slick and act like that's your work and we all know that's a problem.


Last edited by Route03X; 05-29-2024 at 05:06 AM..
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 2 weeks ago '05        #23
ReDvIaGrA  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x15
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Milli Vanilli Drake?

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 2 weeks ago '18        #24
Bout Dat 
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So it works exactly like we all thought? Okay.
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 2 weeks ago '15        #25
JRob1125 
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 96jordan said 🔗
People are being lightly logically true to make the Drake thing seem normal

Yeah n1ggas get hooks and a couple lines

Not the WHOLE fu#kING SONG
Not direct at OP.....but the sh1t really has a gaslighting feel to it
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