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 06-28-2005, 02:55 PM         #126
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 knowughetto said
hey bone diddles, u didn't answer my quesiton. who are those 10 rappers in the game today that u can name that rap "easier" than pac? or however u said that sh*t. if u can't answer it then can anyone else?
what is this "rappin easier than pac" sh*t?

:thefu*k:

 06-28-2005, 05:07 PM         #127
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first of all
its spelled wack...
whack is like being hit with a hammer

and pac is the greatest

 06-28-2005, 05:31 PM         #128
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Pac was good, but not great. I respect Pac for what he brought to the table, but I evolved from that style to another and left all that in the past.

R.I.P.
PAC

 14 years ago '04        #129
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 Bone Diddles said
what is this "rappin easier than pac" sh*t?

:thefu*k:
u said some sh*t about how u can name 10 rappers that are way better than pac, so that means that u say that u can name 10 artists that can rap better than he can. point is that we (me in particular) are all still waiting for those 10 artists that are better than pac!

 14 years ago '04        #130
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Pac wasn't the first to do anything
- but there was no way you weren't gonna notice
Pac's not gonna be the last to do anything
- but no one will embody the essence of his power in anything he did
Pac didn't spit the most lyrical
- but he's never done a song without droppin jewels
Pac didn't spit the most conscience material
- but you knew at the core he only wanted to uplift the underdog

Just my 2 cents. 2Pac went beyond rap. It was more than just a pursuit for cream, he wanted people in suffering to have confidence in themselves. He was a voice for those that always are overlooked and abused. No, this is not a requirement to be a rapper. So maybe some of you are right to question his GOAT status. Possibly some of us are looking at more what his music, movies, poetry, social consciousness, etc for a combined picture. But I'd rather have real rappers like 2pac who made sure to let those who were listening, that it's not all good. People are unhappy, and somebody needs to do something about it.

"Imperfection is inherited, therefore we all sin, but f!ghting the war of sin is the greatest war of all because we all die in the end no matter how hard we f!ght."
Tupac Shakur

 06-28-2005, 06:00 PM         #131
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 knowughetto said
u said some sh*t about how u can name 10 rappers that are way better than pac, so that means that u say that u can name 10 artists that can rap better than he can. point is that we (me in particular) are all still waiting for those 10 artists that are better than pac!

I can tho b


Nas
Rakim
Krs-one
G Rap
DMX
Jay Z
Big
Big L
Pun
Some parts of WuTang
P before he fell off
Bizzy Bone

 06-28-2005, 06:02 PM         #132
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no one showed love like pac...

 06-28-2005, 07:43 PM         #133
RaioIsLike  OP
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lies pac got loved showed to him by some n*ggas named bubba, frank, and gravy

 06-28-2005, 07:47 PM         #134
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ill name more than 10.....and this is just rappers that are alive (all 3 of the "big's" > pac)

jadakiss
nas
jay-z
common
canibus (lyrically hes about a billion times better)
papoose
max minelli
masta ace
rakim
cormega
immortal technique
eminem (MAYBE not anymore cuz Encore was garbage, sounds like hes losing his skill fast.....but 3 years ago he was a better rapper)

if u disagree with any of those gimme a REAL reason, dont say no bullsh*t about how "tupac was a lot more influential" or "tupac was deeper than this guy" or "tupac was the total package" or "tupac was good with the ladies" <--none of that bullsh*t, next ur gonna be tellin me how cute the muhfu*ka was.....fact is, pac never did anything that nobody else couldnt do when it comes to rappin, dude was simple, had a few good inspirational emotional "deep" songs...hell DMX makes better "deep" tracks than pac did.....but were talkin about hip hop, not who is the biggest thug or who can change their personalities the most.....those guys i named are better rappers period....REAL hip hop fans know this, if u disagree with me, please dont be a "real hater" and give my a.ss hate, ive been hated on and propped thru this whole thread and i have yet to give a person hate for speakin their opinions, so please dont be a bi*ch and do the opposite.....kthx


oh yea and banks a year ago > pac

 06-28-2005, 07:50 PM         #135
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 RaioIsLike said
lies pac got loved showed to him by some n*ggas named bubba, frank, and gravy
lol i dont believe that actually happened, but how did the n*gga show more love than anybody? and an even better question.....how does showin love make someone a better rapper? p diddy shows love....he aint no great rapper.....

 06-28-2005, 09:39 PM         #136
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 mace999 said
Schooly D was talking mostly about weed ??????? Go listen to PSK and the Saturday night lp and tell me where he talks about weed.
Krs 1 you are right did take a Afrocentricity turn after Scott La Rock was tragically k!lled but when he was with Scott there wasn't much peace talk with his Criminally Minded lp ... 9mm ... not much Afrocentricity about that song.
Oh and I don't have Schooly D or BDP or Ice T cd's, I have them on vinyl cos I was around when they got released.
I just took offence at you saying a lot of rappers followed 2 Pac's style, but you seem to forget who were the true originators and the people who influenced 2 Pac.
I got respect for 2 Pac as a businessman and as an actor but as a rapper, he was ordinary, he only became immortal cos he died.
sh*t I am like 1 of about a 1,000 people who actually bought Big L's cd before he died, and then after he died you had millions saying he was their greatest rapper and he was a prophet and sh*t. fu*k if he was still alive he would still be earning fu*k all and not many people would have listened to him ..... But he diedand then he became immortal.

It even happens in other kinds of music .... Nirvana made 1 hit cd, Kurt Cobain blows his head off and now you got 5 million groupies saying he was a prophet and sh*t.

2 Pac is ordinary as a rapper, but cos he died he became immortal ... real talk
You need to check yaself I didn't say pac originated sh*t, I said he repped it better than anybody else. Also think about where some of these rappers would be without Pac. Where the fu*k would JaFule, 50, and Em be. You know they say imitation is the best form of flattery each of them imitated Pac talkin "thug this, thug that", Puttin Pac in there rhymes and they didnt even know him. Soundz to me you took offense at what you was thinkin not what i was sayin. Even nas propped pac as been one of if not the best and he's considered one of the best MC's. But you can't even give him that. What other rappers have had nearly the impact he has had, on rap,and on a culture, since you supposed to be some hip hop guru. So how can you argue with what other people in the same industry say? Next you'll prbably say jordan wasn't the greatest even though most players in the nba try to emulate his style and even say he's the GOAT.I saw an interview with Mos Def and Talib Kweli and both of them gave Pac his respect, but let you tell it nobody but you know what they talkin bout. sounds to me like you and the dude got nuthin but hate in ya blood.

 06-28-2005, 09:50 PM         #137
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 jdubb4eva said
Also think about where some of these rappers would be without Pac. Where the fu*k would JaFule, 50, and Em be. You know they say imitation is the best form of flattery each of them imitated Pac talkin "thug this, thug that", Puttin Pac in there rhymes and they didnt even know him. Soundz to me you took offense at what you was thinkin not what i was sayin. Even nas propped pac as been one of if not the best and he's considered one of the best MC's. But you can't even give him that. What other rappers have had nearly the impact he has had, on rap,and on a culture, since you supposed to be some hip hop guru. So how can you argue with what other people in the same industry say? Next you'll prbably say jordan wasn't the greatest even though most players in the nba try to emulate his style and even say he's the GOAT.I saw an interview with Mos Def and Talib Kweli and both of them gave Pac his respect, but let you tell it nobody but you know what they talkin bout. sounds to me like you and the dude got nuthin but hate in ya blood.
so your sayin pac help produce rappers like ja rule and 50 cent? arent those the same kinda rappers yall love to hate? think about what u say b4 u say it becuz u turn it around and make yourself look dumb

then u say that "mos def said this, talib kweli said this, nas said this"
i dont give a fu*k what they said n*gga, im tellin u right now pac is not the GOAT

and dont nobody try to emulate pac's style of rap, they might try to imitate his look, or his character, but ive never heard of a GOOD rapper that has imitated pac and tried to flow like pac or have the same kinda lyrics as pac, well except for Ja Rule...... :rolleyes:

 06-28-2005, 09:52 PM         #138
HearingDeafOne  OP
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i respect your opinion but disagree completely.

 14 years ago '04        #139
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 Bone Diddles said
ill name more than 10.....and this is just rappers that are alive (all 3 of the "big's" > pac)

jadakiss
nas
jay-z
common
canibus (lyrically hes about a billion times better)
papoose
max minelli
masta ace
rakim
cormega
immortal technique
eminem (MAYBE not anymore cuz Encore was garbage, sounds like hes losing his skill fast.....but 3 years ago he was a better rapper)

if u disagree with any of those gimme a REAL reason, dont say no bullsh*t about how "tupac was a lot more influential" or "tupac was deeper than this guy" or "tupac was the total package" or "tupac was good with the ladies" <--none of that bullsh*t, next ur gonna be tellin me how cute the muhfu*ka was.....fact is, pac never did anything that nobody else couldnt do when it comes to rappin, dude was simple, had a few good inspirational emotional "deep" songs...hell DMX makes better "deep" tracks than pac did.....but were talkin about hip hop, not who is the biggest thug or who can change their personalities the most.....those guys i named are better rappers period....REAL hip hop fans know this, if u disagree with me, please dont be a "real hater" and give my a.ss hate, ive been hated on and propped thru this whole thread and i have yet to give a person hate for speakin their opinions, so please dont be a bi*ch and do the opposite.....kthx


oh yea and banks a year ago > pac

A little lesson for u hip-hop is about more then lyrics.

 14 years ago '04        #140
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I try to give u a little crediitability but you lose it all with quotes like

"a year ago Banks> Pac"

How is it because his subject matter is the same on every song or his monotone voice never changes, I got it those dope punchlines. Right.

You lost all of it with that one.

Pac the complete artist. Best to ever do it.


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 06-29-2005, 01:15 AM         #141
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you just dont understand do you? i have an idea. go to harvard or uc berkley and sit down on one of the classes they teach on him and tell us about your experiences...


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 06-29-2005, 01:20 AM         #142
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I respect your opinion and everything but with that list that you made of the rappers that are better than Pac

Every rapper you named on the list was influenced by Pac and Big's music and thats real talk Pac is basically your favorite rapper's favorite rapper

I mean this n*gga is not even living and he still got rappers on his nuts, that's what's crazy, that's why most hip hop heads consider him the G.O.A.T....

 14 years ago '05        #143
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what was the real point of this thread? he already made up his mind from the beginning i dont know why you guys are trying to change his mind. and i dont know why he was talkin down on a dead man. but yeah, people are great in there own way. pac was just given title "GREATEST OF ALL TIME" he never chaim to be the greatest. but yeah i dont know where all your negative point of views came from but its probably from hip hop nowadays because its so negative.

 14 years ago '04        #144
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PAC=GOAT period i aint even gonna waste my time to break it down to yo bi*chass...

 06-29-2005, 08:28 AM         #145
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Co signs what everyone but Bone Diddles said. You makin yourself sound dumb startin threads about how can anyone not like Jay-z. Simple it's the same reason you don't like 2pac. plain and simple you are a hater. you tryin to convince everyone else that your opinion is right.there is no right or wrong opinion. i don't like yous you dont like mine. and my other opinion is that this thread is an attempt to hate on Pac, so i'm not even gonna waste my time respondin to it anymore.

 06-29-2005, 10:00 AM         #146
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 jdubb4eva said
Co signs what everyone but Bone Diddles said. You makin yourself sound dumb startin threads about how can anyone not like Jay-z. Simple it's the same reason you don't like 2pac. plain and simple you are a hater. you tryin to convince everyone else that your opinion is right.there is no right or wrong opinion. i don't like yous you dont like mine. and my other opinion is that this thread is an attempt to hate on Pac, so i'm not even gonna waste my time respondin to it anymore.
plain and simple your an idiot....i never said i didn't like pac, read and quit being offended by the fact that i say hes not the greatest

anyways.....ive had enough of this pac sh*t, so im outta this thread pz


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 14 years ago '04        #147
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 Bone Diddles said
ill name more than 10.....and this is just rappers that are alive (all 3 of the "big's" > pac)

jadakiss
nas
jay-z
common
canibus (lyrically hes about a billion times better)
papoose
max minelli
masta ace
rakim
cormega
immortal technique
eminem (MAYBE not anymore cuz Encore was garbage, sounds like hes losing his skill fast.....but 3 years ago he was a better rapper)

if u disagree with any of those gimme a REAL reason, dont say no bullsh*t about how "tupac was a lot more influential" or "tupac was deeper than this guy" or "tupac was the total package" or "tupac was good with the ladies" <--none of that bullsh*t, next ur gonna be tellin me how cute the muhfu*ka was.....fact is, pac never did anything that nobody else couldnt do when it comes to rappin, dude was simple, had a few good inspirational emotional "deep" songs...hell DMX makes better "deep" tracks than pac did.....but were talkin about hip hop, not who is the biggest thug or who can change their personalities the most.....those guys i named are better rappers period....REAL hip hop fans know this, if u disagree with me, please dont be a "real hater" and give my a.ss hate, ive been hated on and propped thru this whole thread and i have yet to give a person hate for speakin their opinions, so please dont be a bi*ch and do the opposite.....kthx


oh yea and banks a year ago > pac
i co-sign with Veno, hip-hop is more than just lyrics:

Jay Z-is a fu*kin biter and d!ck rider. don't get me wrong he is easily top 5, but how did he get there, by d!ckridin

Nas-my second favorite rapper next to Pac, has lyrics for days, but he can't influence people the way Pac did

and half of these artists that u named aren't even on pac's level. i respect your opinion and all, but how artists like papoose, jada, and cannibus better than pac. who the fu*k are they to pac? and are people gonna talk about these artists YEARS from now, no cause i GUARANTEE you that people will still be talkin bout pac 10-20 years from now, and what he did for hip-hop and our culture. they have museums and teach classes on tupac, his movement and poetry. if those artists u named are that damn good, then how come they aren't being recognized like that. and even when pac was still alive he was more recognized. so i don't understand why people say sh*t like the only reason why he was recognized for his accomplishments was because of his death, people should talk about what he was doing while he was still alive. one more thing, how the fu*k is u gon say that lloyd banks is better than pac? now for that u lose all credibility for sayin some bullsh*t like that. i'm gone!

 06-29-2005, 11:18 AM         #148
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 bigdut1213 said
It's not about being who can rap, Pac embodied a whole buncy of sh*t, he had lyrics, he had meaning, he had the thugged outness, he had the political sh*t, he had the cool sh*t, he the mainstream appeal, he had the love of the ladies. That's why Pac is the greatest MC because their will never be anyone else who had the total package like he did. He may not have been a better lyricist than Nas, but he has Nas beat in every other category and that's why Pac was and is still is the man


^^^^ Big dut you lost me in your first sentence when you said "It's not about being who can rap" because to me that's all it's about.
All that other sh*t is ancillary. Grab the Mic and rip that sh*t everytime you touch it and show your SKILL at rhyming!!!!!!
All that other sh*t you mentioned is secondary and more concerned with Image.
There is almost no emphasis put on skills and lyricism anymore.

 06-29-2005, 11:20 AM         #149
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 legacy313 said
Pac is the goat because he had the total package, lyrics, beats, flow, delivery. If he not the greatest, then who is. Pac influenced a whole generation of mcs, everybody has taken something from him including Big, Jay-Z, Nas, and Eminem. I think u are judging the best mc by the wrong standards. U think it should be about who has the best rhymes, which is cool because thats your opinion and I respect that, but u can name a million mcs that has a rap skill better than pac, but all around, nobody comes close. In conclusion, pac's is the only rapper that his music is timeless, people will be listening to him forever, I cant say that about any other rapper.

There was nothing special or complex about's Pac's delivery

 06-29-2005, 11:23 AM         #150
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 mista_millz said
he HAD lyrics,
lyrics isnt just about multis and punchlines

thats your opinion tho...
do what u want with it
Lyrics ARE about multis and punchlines and rhyme scheme and double entendres and metaphors and allussiion and similies and hyperbole.

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