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 06-27-2005, 10:40 AM         #76
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 Bone Diddles said
honestly, i have nothing against you personally, but your all idiots....tupac shakur, the greatest rapper ever? cmon now.....60% of his fame came from his death...i can name 10 rappers in the rap game today that are easily better than 2pac.....

and i keep hearin n*ggas talk about pac bein so 'deep' or whatever....n*gga plz, dude wasnt as nearly great as he is portrayed to be.....theres too many flaws in this n*ggas style for him to be the G.O.A.T.

for one....the n*ggas lyrics are simple as fu*k, if u listen to 5 RANDOM tupac songs, i guarantee u, u will hear basically the same sh*t in 2 or 3 of em, pac aint never had a line that made u go "wow that sh*t was hot"

no offense but pac had 0 tight lines in his rap career unless u consider sh*t like: "fu*k u bi*ch" "i'm a thug" "pour out some hennessey and alize" and sh*t like that hot

and to yall who talk about how pac isnt commercial and sh*t.....u need to be slapped cuz pac is one of the biggest commercial rappers ever, if not the biggest....lets look at some of his biggest hits before he died...
California Love
How Do U Want It
Keep Ya Head Up
Dear Mama
I Get Around
Toss It Up
All About U

say what u want about those songs, but the sh*t is COMMERCIAL MUSIC, honestly if the guy wasnt dead i'd consider him just another average rapper, yea its coo how he has like 1 or 2 songs on each of his cd's talking about some deep sh*t, but 95% of tupac's music is the same as every other rapper

and another thing......i saw a n*gga say "pac was great because he had emotion," hell Akon has emotion, im not gonna go call the n*gga "great," hell if we based rap on emotion, Nelly would be a fu*kin beast and Ja Rule would be the first inducted into the Hip Hop Hall Of Fame.....cut that 'emotion' sh*t out forreal this is hip hop not ice skating.....

and yall say hes so great because hes got soooooo much material........sorry but 70% of that sh*t is just flat out WHACK.....and then on top of that u try to blame eminem for makin pac's last "fake" cd sh*tty.....must be out of ur damn minds, all that new sh*t is like listenin to the same thing over and over again, and if u ask me, that last cd was definately the nicest since his death....by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

now dont get me wrong, i listen to 2Pac, but to say that hes the greatest of all time is just ridiculous, in fact i think it's just impossible to give one rapper the title of "The Greatest," but if there was one, it would NOT be 2pac

and dont give hate becuz im speaking my opinion, becuz it IS my opinion...k?thx...



ONCE AGAIN, ALL REAL n*ggaZ IN THIS THREAD GIVE THIS PAC HATER HATE, CHEA...

 06-27-2005, 10:41 AM         #77
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Im Sorry But This Makes Me Sick....Tupac = GOAT

 14 years ago '04        #78
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 KILOCHARLIE said
people who generally think 2pac was overated didn't follow hiphop back in his prime

if it wasn't for pac hiphop would be a very different thing today, he influenced almost every rapper that has come after him

hard to explain, but if you were a hiphop head then, you'd understand
Nah if you were a real hip hop head who was around from the mid 80's, you would know the best mc's are from the late 80's like Rakim, Kane, Krs 1, Chuck D & Slick Rick, these rappers influenced Pac and Biggie and Nas ....... I remember Pac as Digital Undergrounds goofy, dungaree wearing back up dancer.

 06-27-2005, 11:51 AM         #79
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 mace999 said
Nah if you were a real hip hop head who was around from the mid 80's, you would know the best mc's are from the late 80's like Rakim, Kane, Krs 1, Chuck D & Slick Rick, these rappers influenced Pac and Biggie and Nas ....... I remember Pac as Digital Undergrounds goofy, dungaree wearing back up dancer.
exactly, if a guy like the game or ja rule had a background of bein a gay backup dancer yall would clown his a.ss until theres no tomorrow

 06-27-2005, 07:32 PM         #80
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Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Can't hate nobody for that. But if Pac isn't the greatest like so many of us think, then point out an artist that's better...

 06-27-2005, 10:49 PM         #81
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If it hadn't been 4 PAC most of these so called thugs wouldn't be around now. Nobody talked about thug life until pac did, now its a way of life. None of these rappers today could affect an entire culture or generation the way pac did.


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 14 years ago '04        #82
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 jdubb4eva said
If it hadn't been 4 PAC most of these so called thugs wouldn't be around now. Nobody talked about thug life until pac did, now its a way of life. None of these rappers today could affect an entire culture or generation the way pac did.

Hip Hop lesson 101 -- free for you today ..... But Schooly D, Krs 1 & Ice T were talking about thug life way way before 2 Pac was a back up dancer in Digital Underground .... so don't talk about something ya don't know

 06-28-2005, 10:09 AM         #83
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 mace999 said
Hip Hop lesson 101 -- free for you today ..... But Schooly D, Krs 1 & Ice T were talking about thug life way way before 2 Pac was a back up dancer in Digital Underground .... so don't talk about something ya don't know
i'll give u props again when i can..lol

 06-28-2005, 10:14 AM         #84
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 mace999 said
Hip Hop lesson 101 -- free for you today ..... But Schooly D, Krs 1 & Ice T were talking about thug life way way before 2 Pac was a back up dancer in Digital Underground .... so don't talk about something ya don't know

First, watch ya mouth,second ice t was talkin about pimpin, krs 1 was on afrocentricity, and schoolly d was more on the weed scene. you need to learn that there is more than 1 way to thug. pac represented thug life more than most ever did. And by the way you don't need to talk about something you dont know i have schooly d, krs 1 and ice t cd's so i know what the fu*k i'm talkin bout.


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 06-28-2005, 10:29 AM         #85
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i cant believe this subject was brought up. His flow was different and he spoke nothin but the truth. Yall are hatin on him becausehe has his own style. Most rappers out there will lye on their mothas grave. Who else you know that flow like him? Most down south sh*t sounds tha same and most north sh*t sounds tha same. I respect yalls opinion but there is no reason to be hatin on this man. He deserves nothin but resepct. Got to the west coast and ask upcoming rappers who influenced them? Pac inspired rap and made its have the controversy in the lyrics as it has today. If it wasnt for pac there would be no hype in the rap game. If you say pac was wack and didnt make west coast rap what it is today u kno NOTHIN about the rap game! . PERIOD

 14 years ago '04        #86
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 jdubb4eva said
First, watch ya mouth,second ice t was talkin about pimpin, krs 1 was on afrocentricity, and schoolly d was more on the weed scene. you need to learn that there is more than 1 way to thug. pac represented thug life more than most ever did. And by the way you don't need to talk about something you dont know i have schooly d, krs 1 and ice t cd's so i know what the fu*k i'm talkin bout.
Schooly D was talking mostly about weed ??????? Go listen to PSK and the Saturday night lp and tell me where he talks about weed.
Krs 1 you are right did take a Afrocentricity turn after Scott La Rock was tragically k!lled but when he was with Scott there wasn't much peace talk with his Criminally Minded lp ... 9mm ... not much Afrocentricity about that song.
Oh and I don't have Schooly D or BDP or Ice T cd's, I have them on vinyl cos I was around when they got released.
I just took offence at you saying a lot of rappers followed 2 Pac's style, but you seem to forget who were the true originators and the people who influenced 2 Pac.
I got respect for 2 Pac as a businessman and as an actor but as a rapper, he was ordinary, he only became immortal cos he died.
sh*t I am like 1 of about a 1,000 people who actually bought Big L's cd before he died, and then after he died you had millions saying he was their greatest rapper and he was a prophet and sh*t. fu*k if he was still alive he would still be earning fu*k all and not many people would have listened to him ..... But he diedand then he became immortal.

It even happens in other kinds of music .... Nirvana made 1 hit cd, Kurt Cobain blows his head off and now you got 5 million groupies saying he was a prophet and sh*t.

2 Pac is ordinary as a rapper, but cos he died he became immortal ... real talk

 06-28-2005, 11:27 AM         #87
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 Hookz said
You Guys Got The Wrong Vision Of Lyrics If You Think Pac Wasnt A Good Writer.

Nah you got the wrong vision of lyrics since you have all them dipset nikkas in your sig...LMFAO...fu*k outta here, Cam hasn't been ill since like 95, Juelz is aight....J.R. is decent....the rest is trash



So don't try and have no opinion on lyrics when you boostin a clique that says sh*t like "its the rooti tooti, fruity louie "....fu*k outta here son



Now my take on the pac thing is this....


I agree with the dude that started this thread about Pac not being the g.o.a.t. but he IS being a little hard on Pac. I saw that one dude said pack had the total package, and included beats in those qualities. Well, the only credit you can give to Pac for that is having the ear and picking em out, other than that you need to think about the producer...so beats are pretty irrelevant when judging the RAPPER, which is what we are doing here...not the music.


Its funny that most people can't admit that if Pac was alive you wouldn't be calling him the g.o.a.t. because Pac was one to follow trends, for the most part. He had album cuts that were creative but as far as the majority of his music he followed trends. So if Pac was alive I can imagine he would probably have just dropped a track with Ashanti, and was gettin' ready to do a corny a.ss movie like Ice Cube did a few months back.


Lets put this in perspective, Pac in his prime(2Pacalypse Now days) lyrically and creatively, he might have been one of the top 5 mc's in the game among like Kool G Rap, Guru, and dudes like that. But this is 2005, dude has been dead for almost a decade!!! Lyricists have changed, become more creative, become more intricate...THERE IS NO WAY PAC IS THE GOAT.


He could possibly be the greatest hip hop entertainer/activist of all time. Since he did so much to try and better his peoples communities(talking at black activist functions, his vast knowledge of the panther movement), he made movies, etc. BUT HE IS NOWHERE NEAR THE BEST RAPPER.


I saw Chamillionaire(white lighting) say somethin about 'there would be no hype in the game if it wasnt for pac'...ok maybe if you mean hype as in controversy, negative energy and beefs (are those good things if they are anything but on wax battles? no). But if you mean hype as in activity, excitement and sh*t like that. fu*k NO

Hip Hop was at its HYPEST before Pac even was spotted on the radar homie, get it correct. Hip Hop was its hypest BEFORE the era of beefs and controversy, thug life, gangsta rap.



Lets re-cap...


Pac was an amazing entertainer and activist, an above average emcee, and not too bad of an actor.


Thats where it stops.

 06-28-2005, 11:35 AM         #88
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 spittingimage said
Nah you got the wrong vision of lyrics since you have all them dipset nikkas in your sig...LMFAO...fu*k outta here, Cam hasn't been ill since like 95, Juelz is aight....J.R. is decent....the rest is trash



So don't try and have no opinion on lyrics when you boostin a clique that says sh*t like "its the rooti tooti, fruity louie "....fu*k outta here son



Now my take on the pac thing is this....


I agree with the dude that started this thread about Pac not being the g.o.a.t. but he IS being a little hard on Pac. I saw that one dude said pack had the total package, and included beats in those qualities. Well, the only credit you can give to Pac for that is having the ear and picking em out, other than that you need to think about the producer...so beats are pretty irrelevant when judging the RAPPER, which is what we are doing here...not the music.


Its funny that most people can't admit that if Pac was alive you wouldn't be calling him the g.o.a.t. because Pac was one to follow trends, for the most part. He had album cuts that were creative but as far as the majority of his music he followed trends. So if Pac was alive I can imagine he would probably have just dropped a track with Ashanti, and was gettin' ready to do a corny a.ss movie like Ice Cube did a few months back.


Lets put this in perspective, Pac in his prime(2Pacalypse Now days) lyrically and creatively, he might have been one of the top 5 mc's in the game among like Kool G Rap, Guru, and dudes like that. But this is 2005, dude has been dead for almost a decade!!! Lyricists have changed, become more creative, become more intricate...THERE IS NO WAY PAC IS THE GOAT.


He could possibly be the greatest hip hop entertainer/activist of all time. Since he did so much to try and better his peoples communities(talking at black activist functions, his vast knowledge of the panther movement), he made movies, etc. BUT HE IS NOWHERE NEAR THE BEST RAPPER.


I saw Chamillionaire(white lighting) say somethin about 'there would be no hype in the game if it wasnt for pac'...ok maybe if you mean hype as in controversy, negative energy and beefs (are those good things if they are anything but on wax battles? no). But if you mean hype as in activity, excitement and sh*t like that. fu*k NO

Hip Hop was at its HYPEST before Pac even was spotted on the radar homie, get it correct. Hip Hop was its hypest BEFORE the era of beefs and controversy, thug life, gangsta rap.



Lets re-cap...


Pac was an amazing entertainer and activist, an above average emcee, and not too bad of an actor.


Thats where it stops.
Your not a smart person I see.
But this is 2005, dude has been dead for almost a decade!!! Lyricists have changed, become more creative, become more intricate...THERE IS NO WAY PAC IS THE GOAT
Cant believe n*ggas are that dumb.


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 14 years ago '04        #89
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Nah I totally agree with what spittinimage says ^^^


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 06-28-2005, 11:41 AM         #90
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 chuckster409 said
You not a smart person I see.

Hmm, well at least you made a valid objection to my comments. wtf


I'm not smart because I dont agree with you right?? I'm being objective here, I'm not gettin all emotional and saying crazy sh*t....

 06-28-2005, 11:42 AM         #91
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:iagree:

 06-28-2005, 11:43 AM         #92
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Uhh With the chuckster that is

 06-28-2005, 11:45 AM         #93
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Name one rapper more creative than Pac. One?lol. This is a damn joke and yall need your hip hop license revoked.

 06-28-2005, 11:46 AM         #94
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 spittingimage said
Hmm, well at least you made a valid objection to my comments. wtf


I'm not smart because I dont agree with you right?? I'm being objective here, I'm not gettin all emotional and saying crazy sh*t....

Your not smart cuz you said Dipsets not lyrical based on 1 bar from one song. fu*k outta here son. And i didn't read the rest on Pac but that you agreed with homie who started the thread. So your not smart. The End :applause:

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 chuckster409 said
Your not a smart person I see. Cant believe n*ggas are that dumb.

Yeah what you said.

What the fu*k was dude talking about??

 06-28-2005, 11:50 AM         #96
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 chuckster409 said
Name one rapper more creative than Pac. One?lol. This is a damn joke and yall need your hip hop license revoked.

I will name some dudes AS creative....


Nas(Poison, Rewind, One Mic, Black Girl Lost)....easily as creative as ANYTHING Pac did

Common (I Used to Love Her, Resurrection)

Ras Kass (Nature Of The Threat, Soul on Ice, Interview With A Vampire)



I could think of more....don't ever challenge me.

 06-28-2005, 11:53 AM         #97
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Your not smart cuz you said Dipsets not lyrical based on 1 bar from one song. fu*k outta here son. And i didn't read the rest on Pac but that you agreed with homie who started the thread. So your not smart. The End :applause:

I've heard more than one bar from dipset you herb...I got Cam'rons, Big L, McGruff, Mase and Bloodsheds double disc from back in like 94...what your young a.ss know about that?


Cam still has decent sh*t, I aint no "hater" as you all preach everday. Soap Opera, dope track....Harlem Nights....dope track...


Juelz...Mic Check, nice....


J.R. Writer...he snapped on that intro to the Diplomats 2 sh*t...


rest is garbage...its no secret....Kasa kinda snapped on the intro of the first Diplomats but hes garbage most other times



Best Dipset track in years...."I'm Free" wit that S.A.S. cat...thats creativity...which they don't exhibit too often...



against dont challenge me....I'm got this hip hop down to a science.

 06-28-2005, 11:54 AM         #98
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 Veno da Don said
Yeah what you said.

What the fu*k was dude talking about??


Did they teach you how to read and comprehend in 1st grade??? NO??...ohhh thats so sad.

 06-28-2005, 12:06 PM         #99
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 spittingimage said
I will name some dudes AS creative....


Nas(Poison, Rewind, One Mic, Black Girl Lost)....easily as creative as ANYTHING Pac did

Common (I Used to Love Her, Resurrection)

Ras Kass (Nature Of The Threat, Soul on Ice, Interview With A Vampire)



I could think of more....don't ever challenge me.
Those are some good songs, but ahh from 3 dif artists. Can you tell me whos made as much good music as Pac did. Pac has everyone beat in the game when it comes to quality and quantity of music and hes been dead half your life. Nas ahsnt done anything decent since I Am. Common appeals to others but to me is garbage, but I'm not on that conscience sh*t. Is Rass Kass alive?

 06-28-2005, 12:08 PM         #100
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LYRICALY PAC IS ONE OF THE BEST RAPPERZ IF NOT THE BEST EVER AND THATS NOT THE ONLY REASON PAC ONE THE 1ST RAPPERS TO START ACTING 2PAC OPENED ALOT OF DOORZ FOR OTHER RAPPERZ TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH THERE LYFEZ LOOK AT ICE CUBE FOR EXAMPLE RAPPER GONE ACTOR ICE T SNOOP LUDACRIS DMX ALL THESES GUYZ RAPPERZ AND ACTORZ OR RAPPERZ GONE ACTORZ AND 2PAC WAS ONE THE 1ST TO HELP OPEN THESZ DOORZ -PROP ME I AINT GOT ISH-

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