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C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson shining, Bryce Young struggling
 

 

Think back to the conversations about the 2023 quarterback cla$s six months ago. Bryce Young was the unquestioned No.1 pick. C.J. Stroud was a talented passer, but one with questions to answer about his ski1ls outside the pocket and the history of Ohio State quarterbacks. Anthony Richardson was a complete tear-down and rebuild project after barely completing half his passes in college.

Thatís exactly how the draft order shook out, too. The Carolina Panthers took Young with the first pick, the Houston Texans got the next-best bet in Stroud, and the Indianapolis Colts took their usual swing on high-end traits with Richardson.

It turns out a lot can change in six months of NFL time.

Bryce Young Struggling In Carolina

The Bryce Young era in Carolina hasnít gone according to plan a month into it. Young was supposed to bring a spark to the Panthersí offense and elevate the talent around him. Thatís the expectation of any No.1 pick in a vacuum, but thatís also what Young did at Alabama. The offensive line and ski1l talent at Alabama wasnít anywhere near the programís typical standard during Youngís time in college, but everything he gave them as a problem solver and playmaker made up for it.

That Young was a historically small prospect at 5-foot-10 and 204 pounds wasnít supposed to matter.

Young hasnít been able to beat the small quarterback allegations in the pros yet. Heís already serving as an example of the difference between high-end college athletes and pro athletes. NFL pass-rushers are bigger and faster, NFL throwing windows are tighter, and NFL defenses are far more complex than anything Young saw in college. All of that is catching up to Young, who is used to overcoming imperfect play in structure with his creation ability.

The results through three games have been ugly. Young is averaging 4.9 yards per pa$s and has been sacked 11 times. A few drops and some questionable offensive line play factor into that, but the point of a No.1 pick is that they should tr@nscend that to some degree.

Instead, you get screen-heavy game plans like the one we saw from the Panthers in their 20-13 loss to the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday. Young just doesnít have the physical tools to fix the problems the Panthers offense has right now.

Anthony Richardsonís Flashes of Brilliance

Richardson is the anti-Young. Heís a cyborg-turned-quarterback who many believed would take time to acclimate to the NFL because of his accuracy issues and perceived inability to process ó a bogus claim from the jump, to be clear.

Itís not taken Richardson any time to acclimate to the NFL. At least not in terms of handling the mental side and being an NFL-level playmaker. Richardson came out firing against the Jacksonville Jaguars in Week 1, scored two rushing touchdowns in the first quarter of Week 2 against the Texans and took the Los Angeles Rams down to the wire in Week 4. Accuracy is still an issue, but thereís no doubt he has the tools and mental makeup to be a force.

The difference between Richardson compared to Young is he has the athletic tools to make up for an imperfect supporting cast and to mask typical rookie struggles.

The 6-4 Richardson can stand tall in the pocket and scan the field. If Richardson ends up late on a throw, he can throw 100 mph to make up for lost time. If Richardson has to leave the pocket, he runs a 4.44 and can outrace most NFL defenders to the edge. Richardson has all the tools that let a rookie screw up and buy themselves extra opportunities; Young doesnít.

C.J. Stroudís Immediate Returns

Then thereís Stroud, who resides in a different plane from the other two altogether. Stroud is a throwback pocket passer. To many, that was a fault during the draft process.

While Stroudís accuracy and decision-making in college were phenomenal, there was concern that pulling him out of the cushy environment at Ohio State would make things slow down for him and expose his average ability to create outside of structure.

That couldnít be further from what weíve seen through a month of play.

Stroud has everything you want. Purely as a thrower, it doesnít get prettier than watching Stroud. Heís got zoomer Matt Ryan vibes with the way he can bend the ball to his will to all three levels of the field down in and down out.

Stroud maximizes what heís got with excellent anticipation, too. At 6-3, Stroud comfortably sees the field from the pocket and already anticipates throwing windows like a veteran. Heís not afraid to throw before the break and trusts his man to get open.

None of the ďOhio State system quarterbackĒ issues come up in Stroudís play either. The Texans gave him the full playbook from the jump and offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik is calling plays like he knows he has a certified dude at quarterback. Stroud executes the classic under center Shanahan play-action stuff just as well as he handles the quick game from empty sets or five-step dropbacks on third-and-12. Itís all on the table for him.

The Texans ask Stroud to make big boy reads and throws, and heís executing as well as any rookie has in the modern era.

Better yet, the game hasnít been too fast for Stroud outside the pocket. It turns out the flashes we saw against Michigan and Georgia at the end of his final college season werenít a mirage. Thatís just who he is when the lights shine bright enough. Stroud has proven more than capable of making defenders miss and scrambling around to salvage otherwise broken plays. Now, heís never going to be the agent of chaos that Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes is, but heís more than capable of getting active when plays break down.

All of that has culminated in fantastic early returns on Stroudís rookie year. Not that passing yards are a perfect barometer, but Stroud is already in rare company. Stroudís 1,212 passing yards make him just the third player in history with at least 1,200 passing yards through their first four starts. Cam Newton and Andrew Luck are the only other two quarterbacks to do so, and Justin Herbert fell just five yards short. All three of those guys won Offensive Rookie of the Year and went on to be multi-time Pro Bowlers and even an MVP in Newtonís case. History is on Stroudís side.

Where Do They Go From Here?
The 2023 quarterback cla$s shows all three shades of rookie play.

Stroud is the guy who stepped in right away and looked like a pro. Luck, Herbert and Newton had that aura about them. Joe Burrow and Dak Prescott had some of that, too.


Richardson, inconsistent as he may be, is an uber-talented player with enough flashes of command and toughness to feel good about moving forward. Josh Allen was an extreme version of that, but Lamar Jackson falls into that mold as well. In the end, the wait was well worth it for those two.

Young is in limbo; neither capable enough within structure to move the offense right away nor talented enough to be explosive. The former can and will change as he gets more reps, but the latter wonít. Heís not going to get any bigger or faster. The margin for error isnít going to change for him.

Now, the story is far from written for this quarterback class. Weíre not even through the first chapter. But for the time being, there are two rookie quarterbacks who look like good long-term investments. Neither of them is the guy who was drafted with the first overall pick.
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 2 months ago '22        #2
Murderers  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x38
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Can't judge these QBs until after year 3 imo.
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 2 months ago '22        #3
BreakkerSzn  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x100
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 2 months ago '12        #4
goodkidmadworld 
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I thought Stroud was a better NFL prospect fr jus seemed like he’d tr@nsfer better because he’s better size and arm talent is a bit better
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 2 months ago '05        #5
JohnnyCage202  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x32
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So what?

Let Bryce struggle this year, next year, and in year 3 trade for fu#kin Russell Wilson and let him ďsit behind him and learnĒÖ

Öthatís how it go right?

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 2 months ago '17        #6
DaQCKing  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x16
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Frank aint doing no favors for Bryce either. n1gga whole game plan was run Miles up the middle then a screen pass. Vikings D had 10 in the box for most of the game just daring them to take a deep shot.
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 2 months ago '17        #7
Pythagoras  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Murderers said 🔗
Can't judge these QBs until after year 3 imo.
You can look at Stroud's anticipation and passing ability and tell he's going to be an all pro QB one day. We got our franchise QB.
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 2 months ago '22        #8
Press Enter  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x125
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 Genuine1 said 🔗
@🔗 handle this cave dweller
Nice try
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 2 months ago '19        #9
Black Don 
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You people Gotta give Colin Kaepernick a Head Coaching position sooner or later


Last edited by Black Don; 10-02-2023 at 03:55 AM..
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 2 months ago '15        #10
Swavey  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Press Enter said 🔗
Black athletes aren't cut out to QB for a team.
It’s like the best part of your day isn’t just being on BX for hours it’s getting slapped.

Weirdo behavior
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 2 months ago '22        #11
Press Enter  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x125
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 Swavey said 🔗
Itís like the best part of your day isnít just being on BX for hours itís getting slapped.

Weirdo behavior
Only people worried about props and slaps are the ppl who live on here. Imagine thinking a thumbs up button gives you some sort of super power that can cast imaginary judgments
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 2 months ago '13        #12
OfficerStanley  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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It doesn’t help when his best receiver is a past his prime Adam Thielen, and idk if it’s injuries or if his stock was inflated by that Eagles team but Miles Sanders looking washed as well. Get him some help in the offseason and give him 2-3 years and he’ll be fine, the fundamentals and potential are there.

Top 10 most slapped recently  2 months ago '20        #13
Tweezy12  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x18
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Everyone knew stroud was the better prospect except Carolina.


I thought Richardson was going to be a bust, seems I was wrong.

I knew Bryce wasn't him
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 2 months ago '17        #14
DavidTheMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Bryce has no o-line, the worst o-line of the group, so to act like he is struggling because of height is a hot take devoid of reason.

He is struggling because he is on the worst team that has the least amount of weaponsn
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 2 months ago '13        #15
MoneyCashHoes 
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I saw that clip of AR playing basketball and just knew his athleticism would make him elite.

 2 months ago '18        #16
tyke17  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Murderers said 🔗
Can't judge these QBs until after year 3 imo.
Especially when they were drafted to sh1tty a$s teams..,like why is this bs even being posted here?

Also - NFL is a closed league - meaning if some teams win, then others have to lose. You seriously expecting sh1tty teams to win just because of a qb? Texans have had an easy schedule.

I still temper when Jake Plummer came to the Broncos and being shocked because I thought he was sh1tty with the Cards. Literally balled out his first two years with the Broncos.

The guy I feel bad for is FieldsÖ. Chicago is fu#king him over and he just needs new scenery
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 2 months ago '17        #17
Pythagoras  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 DavidTheMan said 🔗
Bryce has no o-line, the worst o-line of the group, so to act like he is struggling because of height is a hot take devoid of reason.

He is struggling because he is on the worst team that has the least amount of weaponsn
Texans have 4 oline injuries. Stroud just gets rid of the ball quick af and has great pocket presence.
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 2 months ago '22        #18
CMFRT FRM GHSTS  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x12
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I thought CJ would get crumbled behind our line and Bryce playmaking ability would work.

I was wrong also.

Yall see the way that ball goes flying when he gets hit?
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 2 months ago '09        #19
Puppet Master  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x18
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 DavidTheMan said 🔗
Bryce has no o-line, the worst o-line of the group, so to act like he is struggling because of height is a hot take devoid of reason.

He is struggling because he is on the worst team that has the least amount of weaponsn
Texans are literally starting a 3rd string oline because of injuries since Week1

Before the season, Panthers were ranked ahead of the Texans as far as weapons go. Thelien,Sanders are way more proven than Nico Collins & Pierce

So nah bruh, Young has better weapons

Hell even the Colts got less talent on offense

Young will be fine eventually but right now it's looking like he's 3rd best QB in the draft and Stroud looks light years ahead of him

 OfficerStanley said 🔗
It doesn’t help when his best receiver is a past his prime Adam Thielen, and idk if it’s injuries or if his stock was inflated by that Eagles team but Miles Sanders looking washed as well. Get him some help in the offseason and give him 2-3 years and he’ll be fine, the fundamentals and potential are there.
Panthers got better weapons bruh

 tyke17 said 🔗
Especially when they were drafted to sh1tty a$s teams..,like why is this bs even being posted here?

Also - NFL is a closed league - meaning if some teams win, then others have to lose. You seriously expecting sh1tty teams to win just because of a qb? Texans have had an easy schedule.

I still temper when Jake Plummer came to the Broncos and being shocked because I thought he was sh1tty with the Cards. Literally balled out his first two years with the Broncos.

The guy I feel bad for is Fields…. Chicago is fu#king him over and he just needs new scenery
Easy schedule?

Texans have been underdogs in every game. Jacksonville was the AFC darling that would dominate the division and reach the AFC title game.

Pittsburgh has a top 5 defense. What easy schedule???

Stroud is that guy. He's better than Young and it's not even close


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 2 months ago '17        #20
PackerTrelli3  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x26
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My homeboy told me the panthers were gonna have a better season than the packers

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 2 months ago '22        #21
SeanDon122  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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It also helps that Texans/Colts staff look like they actually have game plans designed for their QBs based off what they do best.. Panthers look like they're trying to fit Bryce into what they want him to be and not on terms of what he is
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 2 months ago '22        #22
SeanDon122  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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 PackerTrelli3 said 🔗
My homeboy told me the panthers were gonna have a better season than the packers

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The amount of people that thought Panthers had a legit shot at winning that division still mind boggling
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 2 months ago '22        #23
stillNAMELESS  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x73
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 Tweezy12 said 🔗
Everyone knew stroud was the better prospect except Carolina.


I thought Richardson was going to be a bust, seems I was wrong.

I knew Bryce wasn't him
Itís too early, beloved
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 2 months ago '04        #24
ghettofied  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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 SeanDon122 said 🔗
The amount of people that thought Panthers had a legit shot at winning that division still mind boggling
They should've.

The team won 7 games last year and kept the same roster but added (on paper) a better QB.

Not going to mention how we hired Evero which had a top 10 defense in Denver last year. This team was anticipated to compete and win the division. The fact that YOU don't think that when many other analyst anticipated them to do so is just on you.

 2 months ago '06        #25
jester2trife 
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Article needs to cut the fu#kin bias. Young has legit the worst OL in the NFL and not a single playmaker lead by a coaching staff who looks like theyve never put together a single game plan. Richardson looks like hes never played QB for 75% of the game. His athleticism is masking the fact he looks lost every other snap. Highlighted him going through a read progression sequence yesterday and dude went past first two WRs who were open to try to force to his 3rd option who was double covered. It was fu#kin embarrassing. Stroud is in the best situation with the best coaching staff and hes playing out of his mind. But as a Texans fan, we know tragedy is lurking around the corner.
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